What a QB is far superior to anything else you can draft including a RB.
We know it will have bumps along the way for Jones but tell me that the Giants fanbase last night was not super giddy and now are super stoked for pre-season game 2 just to see the kid go out there and try and get better.
The level of excitement that position brings is unlike any in all sports.
Last year with SB we knew he was a stud but the level of happiness and excitement will never match what Jones gave last night and what he will continue to give as he improves along the way.
All I know is that I like my teams future with the combo of 2 great kids in Jones and Barkley
This year I expect no more than 6 wins if that but I will enjoy this season for sure because of the development of Jones and SB along with the young squad we have
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.
Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?
Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.
Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.
The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
They basically said that a lot of people were critical of the pick who hadn't even seen Jones play, while guys who had watched him were a lot more positive about him. But those critics use a magic eraser to act like they never questioned him.
It might have been Carl Banks talking about it.
Exciting. The future is bright.
I'm sure he slammed on the pick and is now making shit up to deflect that. But, he just looks like bigger moron by doing this. ESPN is f-ing Pathetic. I only saw it because they linked it to ESPN Giants section. I would never actually waste my time watching that pathetic show.
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In comment 14524058 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14524046 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is that is felt like empty words from people on the opposite side of the argument. It wasn't supported by some kind of advance knowledge of available QBs. It was an assumption that a QB worthy of the pick would be there.
Is that any more empty than being on the other side of the aisle and saying the opposite? That we definitively missed our chance and wouldn't get another opportunity like we had in 2018 to get one?
Well, frankly that's a lousy argument. I'm not defending that one. The correct discussion is how difficult it is to find a QB (which is true), and even when you get a #1 pick in what's reported to be a great class of QBs, even that can go bad. It's hard to get crazy when a top pick fails, but taking a risk on a prospect that's perceived as 'lower tier' will always be a point of debate.
Jones might go on to have an amazing career, but if he does, the way the Giants got their QB means they beat the odds based on who he was and what his resume was at the draft. It's just reality a fair amount of time, the successful QBs in the league enter the league with a pedigree.
The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
Who are these football people?
Heck, look at Favre's stats and record in college.
100% agree that you're right. Picks that are questionable at the time can turn out alright. Picks that are 'slam dunks' at the time can flop wildly. There are exceptions to every rule both ways. The hit rate on QBs is a gamble even under the best conditions, picking guys from big schools who put up big numbers can seem safe and yet fail.
Favre was an exception too. Hell, he got traded from the team that drafted him out of character concerns. And who knows how much he benefitted by being able to get to a different NFL team and be coached by guys who knew how to mold QBs. Maybe if he never gets traded, he never has a historical career because he was a hard partier.
The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
Who are these football people?
they are the ones that tell you what you want to hear...
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The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
Who are these football people?
they are the ones that tell you what you want to hear...
We've talked about some: Brandt, Casserly, Simms...heck, there was a whole article last week that someone posted talking about the dichotomy between football people and the ESPN-type "analysts".
Don't forget those ellipsis points! Really loves to leave the crowd hanging with such value and insight.
Heck of a way to spend a day.
sorry that was lost on some...
sorry that was lost on some...
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Jones is our next guy no matter what anybody says or said
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The "perception" was your and informed by tv people who don't really know football. The football people have been positive on him from jump.
They basically said that a lot of people were critical of the pick who hadn't even seen Jones play, while guys who had watched him were a lot more positive about him. But those critics use a magic eraser to act like they never questioned him.
It might have been Carl Banks talking about it.
Good post. Much what I've been saying about media, fans (and therefore BBI posters) really on both sides, but especially the negative ranters
It just amazes me how many people have an opinion to rage about, yet clearly / admittedly haven't watched. WTF kind of analysis uses 1 variable, as if playing QB is all about JUST arm strength? If not just reading other opinions and parroting?
Or people surprised about things he did yesterday that were mostly evident since Duke...accuracy, timing, placement, footwork among others. And now many change their minds off ONE preseason drive, also pretty nonsensical
Far from some reach or awful pick, but like all rook QBs has a long ways to go and a lot to prove
Now, I don't need to explain that Jones has only completed 5 passes and is still essentially a complete unknown.
But if Daniel does pan out... well, then was all of the bellyaching over taking Barkley really necessary?
See they key word in your post is, “hindsight “
[quote] was more excited about Saquon living up to (and exceeding) the hype last year. I guess because it was a big FU to all those that said you have to pick a QB.
Don’t get your point Darnold turned out to be Eli Manning, and Barkley a Marshall Faulk, are you saying you d prefer Faulk?
No one opposed to the Barkley choice didn’t understand his talent. You re letting pettiness get in the way of good judgment with this post.
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He also showed that QB's did exist after the 2018 draft.... and that it actually was okay to draft Saquon Barkley. It was possible to draft a generational player in #26 and still wind up getting our guy @ QB.
Now, I don't need to explain that Jones has only completed 5 passes and is still essentially a complete unknown.
But if Daniel does pan out... well, then was all of the bellyaching over taking Barkley really necessary?
See they key word in your post is, “hindsight “
Actually, that word isn't in my post at all.
Jones may turn out to be an epic bust. But there's really no hindsight involved here. At least not for me.
A GM should never have to apologize for taking the best player in an entire draft.
[quote] was more excited about Saquon living up to (and exceeding) the hype last year. I guess because it was a big FU to all those that said you have to pick a QB.
Don’t get your point Darnold turned out to be Eli Manning, and Barkley a Marshall Faulk, are you saying you d prefer Faulk?
No one opposed to the Barkley choice didn’t understand his talent. You re letting pettiness get in the way of good judgment with this post.
I disagree here. *Many* people here argued that RB's are fungible.