Does anyone know if you can challenge PI both ways? Can a challenge flag be thrown to challenge if the receiver pushed off?
What about if PI is called and the defensive coach thinks there was no foul?
I'm really envisioning this rule being a disaster, but does anyone know the parameters on how it can be used?
I see it being a disaster too.........I would hope you'd be able to call it both ways, only makes sense.
I guess I even thought it was just an idea being floated. I'm not sure I completely realized it had gone into effect, then I saw what type of plays it can be used to challenge, and if I'm coaching, I'm putting strategy in to throw deep in a close game knowing I'm going to toss the laundry on any type of contact.
That's at least good to know - even though I agree that OPI will still rarely be called.
Do you know if a coach can challenge to negate a PI call?
Can be challenged from all perspectives, defense, offense, calls and non-calls.
Booth has sole review last two minutes of each half.
Challenges still have the same limit. Challenges seeking OPI to take TDs off the board will be the most critical, I think.
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But you are fully aware that they rarely call OPI and it annoys me. So, I can see the same shit happening on instant replay.
That's at least good to know - even though I agree that OPI will still rarely be called.
Do you know if a coach can challenge to negate a PI call?
It is on a 1 year trial run. They will look at this at the end of the season and see if they need to make changes.
Yes, a coach can challenge that there wasn't pass interference if a flag was thrown.
There is the problem. Egregious for you, might not be for me.
Ruling on PI is actually going to be harder than replays for things like fumbles/breaking the goal line/knee down because those are very distinct rules.
PI in itself is VERY subjective.
Well, we'll find out what their definition of egregious is. The problem is with all these different refs you may have differing opinions. Is it one ref per game that reviews it? I don't think it will be clear on an armbar unless it impedes the receiver going up to catch the ball or blatantly knocks him off his route but that is just how I feel.
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that armbars and grabbing will be considered egregious!!
Well, we'll find out what their definition of egregious is. The problem is with all these different refs you may have differing opinions. Is it one ref per game that reviews it? I don't think it will be clear on an armbar unless it impedes the receiver going up to catch the ball or blatantly knocks him off his route but that is just how I feel.
That it exactly! It's almost you'd want to have one guy ruling on all the games so at least there would be some consistency LOL...but even then......it's going to really be bad IMO.
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that armbars and grabbing will be considered egregious!!
Well, we'll find out what their definition of egregious is. The problem is with all these different refs you may have differing opinions. Is it one ref per game that reviews it? I don't think it will be clear on an armbar unless it impedes the receiver going up to catch the ball or blatantly knocks him off his route but that is just how I feel.
My understanding and I might be wrong, but doesn't all reviews go to New York and Al Riveron? If that is the case, then at least there should be some guideline they will use. It's better than 17 different referees with subjective views.
It sort of will be an event everytime the challenge flag comes out.
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Also very interesting to see Dallas and Philly have the highest rate of success.
Cool poster.
I have ZERO doubt this rule will be repealed next season. Absolutely ridiculous with these reviews now.
Can be challenged from all perspectives, defense, offense, calls and non-calls.
Booth has sole review last two minutes of each half.
Challenges still have the same limit. Challenges seeking OPI to take TDs off the board will be the most critical, I think. nfl.com - ( New Window )
Instead of a challenge flag for PI, the lesser of two evils would seem to be to give the booth the responsibility to call egregious PI infractions the entire game.
That's also a slippery slope, but much better IMO than the current challenge "experiment".
Overturn ridiculously bad calls and avoid the delays on borderline crap that oftentimes doesn't even materially impact the game.
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that armbars and grabbing will be considered egregious!!
Well, we'll find out what their definition of egregious is. The problem is with all these different refs you may have differing opinions. Is it one ref per game that reviews it? I don't think it will be clear on an armbar unless it impedes the receiver going up to catch the ball or blatantly knocks him off his route but that is just how I feel.
The problem remains!
The ref may take a re-look and agree that a foul indeed occurred but in his mind it was not "egregious".
But the fans in the stadium and on TV have now witnessed the "non-egregious" foul in multiple views in slow motion and will be irate if the foul is not called on the opposition! This will not end well.
Overturn ridiculously bad calls and avoid the delays on borderline crap that oftentimes doesn't even materially impact the game.
This makes a lot of sense, I agree.
They missed a call in a big game and everyone just like they do every year. This is not the proper response. You can call Pass interference on almost every play, its a judgement call just like the guy in the booth has to make a judgement. There is not cut and dried way to make the correct call.
The one on Ballentine was a PI because he grabbed the arm but the ref didnt see it so in my mind it was a good play. He was probably taught that way as well. even the guys in the booth make mistakes. If a play has to be reviewed more than 1 time to make the call the original call should stand.
on a separate note, really, this has been one of the most insightful posts on BBI in a long time.
It says in the link that each coach will have 2 challenges per game so they can't challenge everything.