I want to preface my comments with the following:
Daniel Jones is not going to replicate what he did last night for the rest of the preseason. And his detractors will come out of the woodwork with the first incompletion and especially first interception.
This thread is not meant to be an Eli Manning bash-fest.
Now with that out of the way:
Eli is in an unenviable position right now. The only way last night could have gone worse for him is if he threw a pick-6 before Jones came onto the field and did what he did. Expectations for Jones went from the outhouse to the penthouse in just one drive (it's actually a bit comical).
But on a rebuilding ball club, there will be calls for Jones with every Manning misfire and three-and-out. I wish it didn't come down to this, but it is what it is.
It's going to be very interesting to see how the Giants handle this.
Someone (maybe Papa) said last night that the Giants lead the league since around '15 in losing games after leading with less than 2 minutes in the game.
How many more wins would Eli and the Giants have if the defense didn't BLOW SO MANY F*ING GAMES the last 5 years!
I feel good about DJ and the future, but still hope Eli goes out on a high.
The film is the film.
Assuming you know what your looking at
So count me in on last night not being a good one for Eli.
Eli had one bland drive, with a very odd roll-out pass play, that basically gave Anderson a chance to quickly show off his punting. But then Jones comes in and moves the team down the field efficiently and hangs a TD on the scoreboard, courtesy of his arm.
The fans get fired up and Jones is the talk of a lot of opinion shows this morning. He built up a lot of equity last night.
So this is now a QB controversy. Game on. Eli is now officially on the clock. And he's going to need to do something very positive to eclipse what Jones did last night.
If you are going to whiff on something in preseason, I think the punter falls into the acceptable category...
I think everybody is really reaching here and over-engineering (for both side of the ledger). Jones had one great series, he will have some bad ones. Eli had one so-so series, he will have some great ones. Pre-season game 1- some good, some bad playes. Next game please.
You can admit that at that point you had flipped over to see your favorite team against the Browns:)
p.s.--Let's not forget that the Jets took their first string defense off the field when Jones came in and the Giants left their starting OL in to protect him.
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that basically gave Anderson a chance to quickly show off his punting
You can admit that at that point you had flipped over to see your favorite team against the Browns:)
It was actually the Ravens game. I get both feeds.
Nonetheless, well played...
I think everybody is really reaching here and over-engineering (for both side of the ledger). Jones had one great series, he will have some bad ones. Eli had one so-so series, he will have some great ones. Pre-season game 1- some good, some bad playes. Next game please.
Obviously Eli's made a shitload of money, but I think there's more to it for guys like him.
And I don't feel sorry for Eli because of last night. I feel sorry for him because Reese put together such a shitty team for about 7 years of his career. Possibly even derailing his shot at the HOF.
I'd have Bruce do it, but the fucker shuns alcohol.....
You are going to have to make a leap of faith to make the switch, and when you do, Jones probably wont give them a better chance to win at that very moment.
If you wait till its clear, you are either waiting for mathematical elimination or next year
You also have to question how much of his defense did Greg Williams show last night, knowing they would play again during the season.
I'm a great DJ fan, but it is one thing to throw rapidly "into the basket" against a vanilla defense vs what they may see when the real bullets fly.
Jones would be the first to tell you that Eli is much more advanced in reading defenses and calling protections than the rookie.
Jones hasn't even mastered the offense yet. People are getting way ahead of themselves
I'm fairly certain most of us know that it is really early. You aren't telling us anything new. Why can't you let people have their moment?
bc4life and BBelle21 are asshurt. Some fans they are.
It doesn't go both ways for many of these posters. If Jones and Haskins' performances last night were flipped, you better believe there'd be posters here already convinced that we blew it by not taking Haskins and that Jones is already a bust.
There's really no need to tell people to temper their enthusiasm. Most people already understand that 5 passes are 5 passes. That's all it was.
But I also don't understand the mentality where it's just so necessary to make sure a wet blanket is tossed over any remotely positive takeaway.
We should all be very happy and encouraged by what we saw last night, while also being able to put it in perspective and understand that it's just one drive and that there's a very long way to go in this process.
If you go back and read my posts on draft day I'm one of the few who admitted they weren't qualified to judge the pick, but admitted it caught me off guard. And, gave him the benfit of the doubt.
Get your facts straight asshole.
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Quote: Last night, we watched a guy with zero pass rush against him throw to the first man in his progression five times. That was nice. I root for everyone in a blue uniform.
There was more to it than that have a look at this
There was no bigger detractor of Jones than Mark Schofield who called him a 4th or 5th round talent. Link - ( New Window )
Watch the film in the article you posted. Jones is never under any duress in the pocket. And on every single throw, he looks at one guy and then throws to that guy. Exactly as I stated.
It's okay to be excited. But a person can be excited and still accept reality. The film is the film.
I'd say he had significant pressure on the 1st and 4th throw. The first one being his own fault, but non the less.
If you go back and read my posts on draft day I'm one of the few who admitted they weren't qualified to judge the pick, but admitted it caught me off guard. And, gave him the benfit of the doubt.
Get your facts straight asshole.
My bad. You're clearly not asshurt in the least.
More like, extremely asshurt.
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imagine taking the time to log in today to throw cold water on the excitement about just-drafted quarterback who looked really good in our first glimpse at him?
bc4life and BBelle21 are asshurt. Some fans they are.
Goodness it’s really weird that you’re still thinking about this. Like I said in the game thread...insecure. Eric asked the “gals” to get over it. I did. What about you? Btw, stop questioning others fandom. It comes off as, I don’t know, asshurt
Hi I'm crick and I have a self concept problem
Except I know Crick doesn’t but he is willing to post this to show others everything wiil be ok...
Except I know Crick doesn’t but he is willing to post this to show others everything wiil be ok...
Hi Googs!
You really can't make up the amount of irony dripping off this steaming pile of shit post.
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imagine taking the time to log in today to throw cold water on the excitement about just-drafted quarterback who looked really good in our first glimpse at him?
bc4life and BBelle21 are asshurt. Some fans they are.
Goodness it’s really weird that you’re still thinking about this. Like I said in the game thread...insecure. Eric asked the “gals” to get over it. I did. What about you? Btw, stop questioning others fandom. It comes off as, I don’t know, asshurt
"What's the big deal about? It wasn't even against the starters."
Geeeeeek.
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of presenting how way too many Giant fans on BBI have a self concept problem...
You really can't make up the amount of irony dripping off this steaming pile of shit post.
Patient #1
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imagine taking the time to log in today to throw cold water on the excitement about just-drafted quarterback who looked really good in our first glimpse at him?
bc4life and BBelle21 are asshurt. Some fans they are.
Again, the voice of reason. Good post.
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imagine taking the time to log in today to throw cold water on the excitement about just-drafted quarterback who looked really good in our first glimpse at him?
bc4life and BBelle21 are asshurt. Some fans they are.
Goodness it’s really weird that you’re still thinking about this. Like I said in the game thread...insecure. Eric asked the “gals” to get over it. I did. What about you? Btw, stop questioning others fandom. It comes off as, I don’t know, asshurt
"What's the big deal about? It wasn't even against the starters."
Geeeeeek.
Aww still thinking about it I see. Some of us gals get over things faster than others
On the team level, I thought there was a very positive psychological impact. It may have only been pre-season game #1. But, I think getting a win was important. They want to shed the losing environment. Getting a W out of the gate is a big boost. They also continued to outplay the Jets with every level of reserves. Maybe we actually have some depth this year.
As for Eli, I agree with you Eric. But, that position can also change with 3 more games this summer. We can't really expect 4 games from Jones with 100% completion rate, no INTs, etc. So, I am sure we will see some of the mistakes. We also were made aware of a mental mistake on the very first play where he did not put Ellison in motion.
Moving forward, as I said in another thread, I am 100% comfortable with the plan for Eli to start. He has also had a good camp. This should be his season to lose. But, there should be a short leash. IF they have 2 or 3 losses early, I have no problem shifting to Jones. But, if this team is winning, stick with Eli. Either way, there are absolutely NO circumstances under which I would even consider re-signing Eli. Even if he has an other worldly season and they win the SB, it would be irresponsible to re-sign him. He has not shown the kind of late career resiliency Brady has, so it would be unreasonable to expect sustained success. So, win or lose, next year is all about Jones.
I don't. I think they will only make the change once. They won't make an in game switch only to have Eli start again next week (if that's what you are suggesting).
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plenty of times last year that Shurmur was annoyed with Eli (throw it to Odell, missing the wide open guy on the 2 point conversion)
I don't. I think they will only make the change once. They won't make an in game switch only to have Eli start again next week (if that's what you are suggesting).
Oh no I wasn't suggesting that at all. But now that I think about it probably best not to throw your 1st round pick QB in at halftime with minimal practice time unless Eli is really stinking up the joint which is unlikely.
Also said Shurmur was smart to take him out after a good outing for positive reinforcement.
FYI, he had told me after the draft that Flowers would not make it as an NFL lineman because his technique was terrible.
No rookie QB is making full field reads and coaches rarely expect them to unless they are a pure pocket passer type like Eli. That is why those guys tend to struggle so much as rookies, while the mobile guys generally fare a bit better.