at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
But I'd be worried about the corners. With Tru Johnson hurt, they really don't have much. They're scraping the bottom of the barrel for bodies right now and have Jamal Adams volunteering to play there because it's becoming that dire.
They've done a decent job. Joe Douglas was probably a good hire and should keep them on track.
I don't love the WR group either. Crowder is a solid addition but they're lacking a bit there.. much like we are.
I also don't think we can just assume Bell will be pre-holdout Bell without a hiccup. We'll have to see just how much he looks like his former self. But, I think having that type of RB will be a big help for Darnold.
Gase is going to have him airing it out a lot.. we'll see if that works or leads to more turning the ball over and mistakes.
They have a solid foundation, though. I think they'll have a solid season.
at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
I don't see how the Jets on paper are any better than Buffalo. Buffalo's got a very good defense and a better OL than the Jets. They could easily finish as the better team.
I think the QB's are what will separate the Jets from Buffalo.
Darnold, to me, is a significantly better prospect than Josh Allen. The Jets should get much better QB play than the Bills will.
Allen does some things well, and I'm sure he'll improve and isn't capped yet - but I wasn't too impressed with him throwing the football last year. He made a lot of nice plays with his legs and seems like a big, tough kid... just not sure I see him really being a QB who wins you many games with his arm.
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FMiC will get ready to pounce but I still expect Darnold to be a stud QB. He was the youngest player in the NFL last season and he improved dramatically as the season progressed. Jets CB's are a disaster right now but their offense is going to be very good with Darnold under center.
"Improved dramatically" is hyperbole... he had a miserable game in November in Miami before he missed a few weeks. When he came back, he had a pair of very good games against HOU/GB sandwiched between two very non-descript ones.
Darnold was up and down pretty much all year - like most rookie QB's.
He will get better and should take a pretty significant step forward this year, but there's no need to create narratives that aren't really true. His final game of the year, he completed under 60% of his passes, threw for just 167 yards and the Jets scored a paltry 3 points.
Is still Leveon Bell and that defense takes to Gregg Williams they can absolutely be a playoff team. Adding CJ Mosley as the point man in that 4-3 and adding Quinnen Williams puts them in the neighborhood. They have solid WR options in Enunwa, Crowder and Anderson and Darnold will have fat less pressure on him if Bell is still his old self.
Is still Leveon Bell and that defense takes to Gregg Williams they can absolutely be a playoff team. Adding CJ Mosley as the point man in that 4-3 and adding Quinnen Williams puts them in the neighborhood. They have solid WR options in Enunwa, Crowder and Anderson and Darnold will have fat less pressure on him if Bell is still his old self.
I think Crowder was one of the best unheralded FA signings this year. Very solid guy for a young QB like Darnold...
at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
Some a couple of high priced vets in the offseason and not be named the NY Giants and all is well.
The jets are easily the most overrated team heading into this season and i actually think they might not be half bad, but slow down. The giants won more games last year... but they didn’t do anything right this offseason, apparently.
at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Arc...I was worried about Bell too, but damn he definetly came to camp Â
looking like he was ready to earn that contract. Some guys perform best in their contract year and some guys play best after signing a fat contract and feel disrespected until they do, trying to prove they are worth it. I think Bell is on of those latter guys.
I think it's just tough to be out of the game for an entire year and then come back and just pick up where you left off - so, we'll see. Pittsburgh rode Bell pretty hard... IIRC, he had over 400 touches in 2017 which was tops in the league.
Fantastic player; just curious to see how he responds to an entire year away and probably having not been in football shape for a bit prior to signing.
A lot of what the Jets do this year will depend on him.
at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
I get optimizum, but really, jets, unfortunately, will likely have considerable more wins than the giants just based on talent differences.
their defense will regress. their corners stink. their QB likely needs another season to figure things out. I'd say they'll win 5-7 games and be a non factor for the playoffs.
Their only chance is Bell. If the O-line can be a strong run blocking group and they can control time of possession they could flip the script and be relevant.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Ask a random fan in this town which offense is better and 90% would laugh and say the jets. Their defense likely is better, it should be good, but I don’t think the jets are that far ahead of the giants at all.
And when did Sam darnold turn into this can’t miss generational talent that will elevate that franchise on his back? Did I miss something? He’s not even 2005 Eli Manning, not by a long shot.
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, some teams are afforded the benefit of the doubt or at least receive some leeway from local coverage even when they are fucking trash, and the giants are NOT one of those teams. I’ve been following the nfl for over 35 years. I know I’m right. The giants get roasted first, ask questions later.
Can’t wait for the jets to run this town again. Only a matter of time.
at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
I get optimizum, but really, jets, unfortunately, will likely have considerable more wins than the giants just based on talent differences.
Considerable is probably a stretch. Theres not that big of a gap.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Ask a random fan in this town which offense is better and 90% would laugh and say the jets. Their defense likely is better, it should be good, but I don’t think the jets are that far ahead of the giants at all.
And when did Sam darnold turn into this can’t miss generational talent that will elevate that franchise on his back? Did I miss something? He’s not even 2005 Eli Manning, not by a long shot.
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, some teams are afforded the benefit of the doubt or at least receive some leeway from local coverage even when they are fucking trash, and the giants are NOT one of those teams. I’ve been following the nfl for over 35 years. I know I’m right. The giants get roasted first, ask questions later.
Can’t wait for the jets to run this town again. Only a matter of time.
What makes the Jets offense better besides their fans love affair with Darnold? The Giants OL should be better than the Jets by a healthy margin. In the NFL, that alone can be the difference especially when the talent gap is quite close. And what's with the drooling over Jamison Crowder? He was with the Skins for 4 years. Was he seriously someone anyone here feared when we played them?
Both teams are bad in the pass rush department and both teams have much in the way of skill position players outside of their RB's. I'm not buying that Bell will be the same guy he was in Pittsburgh. He's had lots of injury issues in his career, ran behind one of the league's best lines in Pittsburgh and just missed an entire year of football. There's a reason they didn't miss a much going from Bell to Connor. Imagine James Connor running behind the Giants line last year? It would look nothing like what Barkley did.
at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
I wouldn't be all that shocked if both teams are 7-9 or 6-10. Giants will be a bit better than expected, and the Jets could lose some tight heartbreakers or get ravaged by injuries
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Ask a random fan in this town which offense is better and 90% would laugh and say the jets. Their defense likely is better, it should be good, but I don’t think the jets are that far ahead of the giants at all.
And when did Sam darnold turn into this can’t miss generational talent that will elevate that franchise on his back? Did I miss something? He’s not even 2005 Eli Manning, not by a long shot.
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, some teams are afforded the benefit of the doubt or at least receive some leeway from local coverage even when they are fucking trash, and the giants are NOT one of those teams. I’ve been following the nfl for over 35 years. I know I’m right. The giants get roasted first, ask questions later.
Can’t wait for the jets to run this town again. Only a matter of time.
2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
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Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Ask a random fan in this town which offense is better and 90% would laugh and say the jets. Their defense likely is better, it should be good, but I don’t think the jets are that far ahead of the giants at all.
And when did Sam darnold turn into this can’t miss generational talent that will elevate that franchise on his back? Did I miss something? He’s not even 2005 Eli Manning, not by a long shot.
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, some teams are afforded the benefit of the doubt or at least receive some leeway from local coverage even when they are fucking trash, and the giants are NOT one of those teams. I’ve been following the nfl for over 35 years. I know I’m right. The giants get roasted first, ask questions later.
Can’t wait for the jets to run this town again. Only a matter of time.
2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
Both Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota had much better rookie campaigns than Darnold did. Do you know what Eli, Winston and Mariota's rookie years tell us about Darnold's future? Nada.
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2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
You can't compare 2005 to 2018. The rules have made it a far more passer friendly league than it was for Eli's first few years. There you go with your small sample size of Darnold's finish. He had one huge game in those last four that skewed the stats.
Another thing to consider is Le'Veon Bell's impact. He is the best back they have had in years but to expect the same results after sitting out an entire season after receiving over 400 touches the last time he played and over 1500 already in his career. The age doesn't matter as much as the touches for running backs.
As the full time starter Bell saw his yards per carry drop by nearly a full yard in 2017 behind an offensive line that is far superior to the Jets. That is not even factoring in Mike Munchak and the impact he had in Pittsburgh on the running game. Bell averaged 4.0 yards per carry in 2017 down from 4.9, 4.9, and 4.7 the previous three seasons. There were whispers going into last season that Pittsburgh felt that Bell was slowing down which is why they didn't want to commit so much guaranteed money to him despite being a win now team.
How is Bell going to play this season behind inferior offensive linemen, WR's, and TE's? There is also a possibility that Bell will mail it in now that he's received his big contract.
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2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
You can't compare 2005 to 2018. The rules have made it a far more passer friendly league than it was for Eli's first few years. There you go with your small sample size of Darnold's finish. He had one huge game in those last four that skewed the stats.
Another thing to consider is Le'Veon Bell's impact. He is the best back they have had in years but to expect the same results after sitting out an entire season after receiving over 400 touches the last time he played and over 1500 already in his career. The age doesn't matter as much as the touches for running backs.
As the full time starter Bell saw his yards per carry drop by nearly a full yard in 2017 behind an offensive line that is far superior to the Jets. That is not even factoring in Mike Munchak and the impact he had in Pittsburgh on the running game. Bell averaged 4.0 yards per carry in 2017 down from 4.9, 4.9, and 4.7 the previous three seasons. There were whispers going into last season that Pittsburgh felt that Bell was slowing down which is why they didn't want to commit so much guaranteed money to him despite being a win now team.
How is Bell going to play this season behind inferior offensive linemen, WR's, and TE's? There is also a possibility that Bell will mail it in now that he's received his big contract.
You're underrating the Jets talent pretty severely. Herndon is one of the top young tight ends in football. Our receiving corps are pretty good. We added to our o-line guys who have been pro bowlers and all pros. And Bell...he's shown absolutely no sign of being a nuisance, problem, cancer...mailing it in. He's been a great teammate since he's gotten here and playing for a competitive team why shouldn't he be motivated?
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2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
You can't compare 2005 to 2018. The rules have made it a far more passer friendly league than it was for Eli's first few years. There you go with your small sample size of Darnold's finish. He had one huge game in those last four that skewed the stats.
Another thing to consider is Le'Veon Bell's impact. He is the best back they have had in years but to expect the same results after sitting out an entire season after receiving over 400 touches the last time he played and over 1500 already in his career. The age doesn't matter as much as the touches for running backs.
As the full time starter Bell saw his yards per carry drop by nearly a full yard in 2017 behind an offensive line that is far superior to the Jets. That is not even factoring in Mike Munchak and the impact he had in Pittsburgh on the running game. Bell averaged 4.0 yards per carry in 2017 down from 4.9, 4.9, and 4.7 the previous three seasons. There were whispers going into last season that Pittsburgh felt that Bell was slowing down which is why they didn't want to commit so much guaranteed money to him despite being a win now team.
How is Bell going to play this season behind inferior offensive linemen, WR's, and TE's? There is also a possibility that Bell will mail it in now that he's received his big contract.
Every one of those last 4 games Darnold played well in. The Buffalo game especially he got reinjured in, came back, and made some otherworldly throws in.
That's fair though with the comparing of the eras. Still the Jets of 2018 gave Darnold very little to work with. He was having some very solid games throwing to Elijah McGuire, Andre Roberts, Trenton Cannon. Real bottom basement "talent"
But that was then. What I've seen from him this pre season when facing other teams starters has been awesome. Made some great throws vs. Atlanta too. It is pre season but it's clear a huge step forward has been made. Heck the reports about him improving his arm strength, which was good to begin with, appear to be accurate as well
You seem to respond to every single comment directed towards you Â
except the obvious one. What are you doing here? Every day no less. It’s a little sad to be honest.
I like the Giants. And root for them to win every game
You are so full of shit. You said you "loved Eli" when you first joined BBI but then in a thread where you always have to rave about Darnold you said something along the lines of "enjoy your shitty declining QB" to another poster.
Bell has never shown to be a nuisance? His own teammates and team leaders on Pittsburgh called him out last year for sitting out. Guys like Pouncey, the guy who once supported Aaron Hernandez.
Nobody wants you here.
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But that was then. What I've seen from him this pre season when facing other teams starters has been awesome. Made some great throws vs. Atlanta too. It is pre season but it's clear a huge step forward has been made. Heck the reports about him improving his arm strength, which was good to begin with, appear to be accurate as well
This is great, Darnold has thrown a grand total of 12 passes this preseason and from that you claim he has taken "a huge step forward".
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But that was then. What I've seen from him this pre season when facing other teams starters has been awesome. Made some great throws vs. Atlanta too. It is pre season but it's clear a huge step forward has been made. Heck the reports about him improving his arm strength, which was good to begin with, appear to be accurate as well
This is great, Darnold has thrown a grand total of 12 passes this preseason and from that you claim he has taken "a huge step forward".
There's also something called training camp
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Have you actually attended? I am sure you haven't but will certainly claim you have.
I am sure there is a Jets fan site where you can post all day long about Darnold and his greatness.
You continue to rave about Darnold every chance you get in search of recognition from BBI. Why do you care whether or not we think Darnold is great or not? Your better off on the Jets message board where you will not be called out for being a blatant homer.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
He is too busy jerking off with his Sam Darnold fathead
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
But I'd be worried about the corners. With Tru Johnson hurt, they really don't have much. They're scraping the bottom of the barrel for bodies right now and have Jamal Adams volunteering to play there because it's becoming that dire.
They've done a decent job. Joe Douglas was probably a good hire and should keep them on track.
I don't love the WR group either. Crowder is a solid addition but they're lacking a bit there.. much like we are.
I also don't think we can just assume Bell will be pre-holdout Bell without a hiccup. We'll have to see just how much he looks like his former self. But, I think having that type of RB will be a big help for Darnold.
Gase is going to have him airing it out a lot.. we'll see if that works or leads to more turning the ball over and mistakes.
They have a solid foundation, though. I think they'll have a solid season.
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Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
I don't see how the Jets on paper are any better than Buffalo. Buffalo's got a very good defense and a better OL than the Jets. They could easily finish as the better team.
Darnold, to me, is a significantly better prospect than Josh Allen. The Jets should get much better QB play than the Bills will.
Allen does some things well, and I'm sure he'll improve and isn't capped yet - but I wasn't too impressed with him throwing the football last year. He made a lot of nice plays with his legs and seems like a big, tough kid... just not sure I see him really being a QB who wins you many games with his arm.
Darnold was up and down pretty much all year - like most rookie QB's.
He will get better and should take a pretty significant step forward this year, but there's no need to create narratives that aren't really true. His final game of the year, he completed under 60% of his passes, threw for just 167 yards and the Jets scored a paltry 3 points.
I think Crowder was one of the best unheralded FA signings this year. Very solid guy for a young QB like Darnold...
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
Some a couple of high priced vets in the offseason and not be named the NY Giants and all is well.
The jets are easily the most overrated team heading into this season and i actually think they might not be half bad, but slow down. The giants won more games last year... but they didn’t do anything right this offseason, apparently.
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at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Fantastic player; just curious to see how he responds to an entire year away and probably having not been in football shape for a bit prior to signing.
A lot of what the Jets do this year will depend on him.
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at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
I get optimizum, but really, jets, unfortunately, will likely have considerable more wins than the giants just based on talent differences.
Their only chance is Bell. If the O-line can be a strong run blocking group and they can control time of possession they could flip the script and be relevant.
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Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Ask a random fan in this town which offense is better and 90% would laugh and say the jets. Their defense likely is better, it should be good, but I don’t think the jets are that far ahead of the giants at all.
And when did Sam darnold turn into this can’t miss generational talent that will elevate that franchise on his back? Did I miss something? He’s not even 2005 Eli Manning, not by a long shot.
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, some teams are afforded the benefit of the doubt or at least receive some leeway from local coverage even when they are fucking trash, and the giants are NOT one of those teams. I’ve been following the nfl for over 35 years. I know I’m right. The giants get roasted first, ask questions later.
Can’t wait for the jets to run this town again. Only a matter of time.
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at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
I get optimizum, but really, jets, unfortunately, will likely have considerable more wins than the giants just based on talent differences.
Considerable is probably a stretch. Theres not that big of a gap.
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Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Ask a random fan in this town which offense is better and 90% would laugh and say the jets. Their defense likely is better, it should be good, but I don’t think the jets are that far ahead of the giants at all.
And when did Sam darnold turn into this can’t miss generational talent that will elevate that franchise on his back? Did I miss something? He’s not even 2005 Eli Manning, not by a long shot.
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, some teams are afforded the benefit of the doubt or at least receive some leeway from local coverage even when they are fucking trash, and the giants are NOT one of those teams. I’ve been following the nfl for over 35 years. I know I’m right. The giants get roasted first, ask questions later.
Can’t wait for the jets to run this town again. Only a matter of time.
What makes the Jets offense better besides their fans love affair with Darnold? The Giants OL should be better than the Jets by a healthy margin. In the NFL, that alone can be the difference especially when the talent gap is quite close. And what's with the drooling over Jamison Crowder? He was with the Skins for 4 years. Was he seriously someone anyone here feared when we played them?
Both teams are bad in the pass rush department and both teams have much in the way of skill position players outside of their RB's. I'm not buying that Bell will be the same guy he was in Pittsburgh. He's had lots of injury issues in his career, ran behind one of the league's best lines in Pittsburgh and just missed an entire year of football. There's a reason they didn't miss a much going from Bell to Connor. Imagine James Connor running behind the Giants line last year? It would look nothing like what Barkley did.
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at the talk that the Jets are likely a Wild Card team.
Have they really improved dramatically from last season?
They're a bubble playoff team. When you factor in Darnold who's going to take a big step forward this year. Bell, Crowder, Mosley, Ty Montgomery, Quinnen Williams, Ryan Kalil/Osemele on the Oline improving things. Powell and Maye coming back healthy. They probably profile at about 8-8 and could get in at 9-7 if lucky. They play Miami twice and Buffalo twice who will be terrible.
Also Gase/Gregg Williams are a big upgrade over Bowles/Rodgers who were two of the dumbest, most unprepared coaches I've ever seen.
Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
I wouldn't be all that shocked if both teams are 7-9 or 6-10. Giants will be a bit better than expected, and the Jets could lose some tight heartbreakers or get ravaged by injuries
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Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Ask a random fan in this town which offense is better and 90% would laugh and say the jets. Their defense likely is better, it should be good, but I don’t think the jets are that far ahead of the giants at all.
And when did Sam darnold turn into this can’t miss generational talent that will elevate that franchise on his back? Did I miss something? He’s not even 2005 Eli Manning, not by a long shot.
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, some teams are afforded the benefit of the doubt or at least receive some leeway from local coverage even when they are fucking trash, and the giants are NOT one of those teams. I’ve been following the nfl for over 35 years. I know I’m right. The giants get roasted first, ask questions later.
Can’t wait for the jets to run this town again. Only a matter of time.
2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
Not quite accurate. We have good safeties, but terrible corners especially now with Trumaine Johnson hurt
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Fair take. I just don’t see this huge gulf between the giants and jets but if you believe the talkies one team is clearly on the upswing while nyg can’t even piss straight. I don’t buy it. Giants will be right there with the jets in terms of win and losses.
Well, I don't know if it's a "huge gulf" but it's a gulf of some size.
Ask a random fan in this town which offense is better and 90% would laugh and say the jets. Their defense likely is better, it should be good, but I don’t think the jets are that far ahead of the giants at all.
And when did Sam darnold turn into this can’t miss generational talent that will elevate that franchise on his back? Did I miss something? He’s not even 2005 Eli Manning, not by a long shot.
I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, some teams are afforded the benefit of the doubt or at least receive some leeway from local coverage even when they are fucking trash, and the giants are NOT one of those teams. I’ve been following the nfl for over 35 years. I know I’m right. The giants get roasted first, ask questions later.
Can’t wait for the jets to run this town again. Only a matter of time.
2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
Both Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota had much better rookie campaigns than Darnold did. Do you know what Eli, Winston and Mariota's rookie years tell us about Darnold's future? Nada.
2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
You can't compare 2005 to 2018. The rules have made it a far more passer friendly league than it was for Eli's first few years. There you go with your small sample size of Darnold's finish. He had one huge game in those last four that skewed the stats.
Another thing to consider is Le'Veon Bell's impact. He is the best back they have had in years but to expect the same results after sitting out an entire season after receiving over 400 touches the last time he played and over 1500 already in his career. The age doesn't matter as much as the touches for running backs.
As the full time starter Bell saw his yards per carry drop by nearly a full yard in 2017 behind an offensive line that is far superior to the Jets. That is not even factoring in Mike Munchak and the impact he had in Pittsburgh on the running game. Bell averaged 4.0 yards per carry in 2017 down from 4.9, 4.9, and 4.7 the previous three seasons. There were whispers going into last season that Pittsburgh felt that Bell was slowing down which is why they didn't want to commit so much guaranteed money to him despite being a win now team.
How is Bell going to play this season behind inferior offensive linemen, WR's, and TE's? There is also a possibility that Bell will mail it in now that he's received his big contract.
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2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
You can't compare 2005 to 2018. The rules have made it a far more passer friendly league than it was for Eli's first few years. There you go with your small sample size of Darnold's finish. He had one huge game in those last four that skewed the stats.
Another thing to consider is Le'Veon Bell's impact. He is the best back they have had in years but to expect the same results after sitting out an entire season after receiving over 400 touches the last time he played and over 1500 already in his career. The age doesn't matter as much as the touches for running backs.
As the full time starter Bell saw his yards per carry drop by nearly a full yard in 2017 behind an offensive line that is far superior to the Jets. That is not even factoring in Mike Munchak and the impact he had in Pittsburgh on the running game. Bell averaged 4.0 yards per carry in 2017 down from 4.9, 4.9, and 4.7 the previous three seasons. There were whispers going into last season that Pittsburgh felt that Bell was slowing down which is why they didn't want to commit so much guaranteed money to him despite being a win now team.
How is Bell going to play this season behind inferior offensive linemen, WR's, and TE's? There is also a possibility that Bell will mail it in now that he's received his big contract.
You're underrating the Jets talent pretty severely. Herndon is one of the top young tight ends in football. Our receiving corps are pretty good. We added to our o-line guys who have been pro bowlers and all pros. And Bell...he's shown absolutely no sign of being a nuisance, problem, cancer...mailing it in. He's been a great teammate since he's gotten here and playing for a competitive team why shouldn't he be motivated?
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2005 Eli Manning completed 52% of his passes at 24 years old. Last year Darnold at 21, on a far less talented team than the 2005 Giants, was the NFL's highest rated QB the last 4 weeks of the NFL season. That's what gives us hope.
You can't compare 2005 to 2018. The rules have made it a far more passer friendly league than it was for Eli's first few years. There you go with your small sample size of Darnold's finish. He had one huge game in those last four that skewed the stats.
Another thing to consider is Le'Veon Bell's impact. He is the best back they have had in years but to expect the same results after sitting out an entire season after receiving over 400 touches the last time he played and over 1500 already in his career. The age doesn't matter as much as the touches for running backs.
As the full time starter Bell saw his yards per carry drop by nearly a full yard in 2017 behind an offensive line that is far superior to the Jets. That is not even factoring in Mike Munchak and the impact he had in Pittsburgh on the running game. Bell averaged 4.0 yards per carry in 2017 down from 4.9, 4.9, and 4.7 the previous three seasons. There were whispers going into last season that Pittsburgh felt that Bell was slowing down which is why they didn't want to commit so much guaranteed money to him despite being a win now team.
How is Bell going to play this season behind inferior offensive linemen, WR's, and TE's? There is also a possibility that Bell will mail it in now that he's received his big contract.
Every one of those last 4 games Darnold played well in. The Buffalo game especially he got reinjured in, came back, and made some otherworldly throws in.
That's fair though with the comparing of the eras. Still the Jets of 2018 gave Darnold very little to work with. He was having some very solid games throwing to Elijah McGuire, Andre Roberts, Trenton Cannon. Real bottom basement "talent"
But that was then. What I've seen from him this pre season when facing other teams starters has been awesome. Made some great throws vs. Atlanta too. It is pre season but it's clear a huge step forward has been made. Heck the reports about him improving his arm strength, which was good to begin with, appear to be accurate as well
I like the Giants. And root for them to win every game
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except the obvious one. What are you doing here? Every day no less. It’s a little sad to be honest.
I like the Giants. And root for them to win every game
You are so full of shit. You said you "loved Eli" when you first joined BBI but then in a thread where you always have to rave about Darnold you said something along the lines of "enjoy your shitty declining QB" to another poster.
Bell has never shown to be a nuisance? His own teammates and team leaders on Pittsburgh called him out last year for sitting out. Guys like Pouncey, the guy who once supported Aaron Hernandez.
Nobody wants you here.
But that was then. What I've seen from him this pre season when facing other teams starters has been awesome. Made some great throws vs. Atlanta too. It is pre season but it's clear a huge step forward has been made. Heck the reports about him improving his arm strength, which was good to begin with, appear to be accurate as well
This is great, Darnold has thrown a grand total of 12 passes this preseason and from that you claim he has taken "a huge step forward".
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But that was then. What I've seen from him this pre season when facing other teams starters has been awesome. Made some great throws vs. Atlanta too. It is pre season but it's clear a huge step forward has been made. Heck the reports about him improving his arm strength, which was good to begin with, appear to be accurate as well
This is great, Darnold has thrown a grand total of 12 passes this preseason and from that you claim he has taken "a huge step forward".
There's also something called training camp
There's also something called training camp
Have you actually attended? I am sure you haven't but will certainly claim you have.
I am sure there is a Jets fan site where you can post all day long about Darnold and his greatness.
You continue to rave about Darnold every chance you get in search of recognition from BBI. Why do you care whether or not we think Darnold is great or not? Your better off on the Jets message board where you will not be called out for being a blatant homer.