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Antonio Brown is a dumpster fire

jlukes : 8/9/2019 3:58 pm
This string of tweets regarding his helmet is batshit crazy
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I Have a Friend in the Steelers Organization...  
Capt. Don : 8/9/2019 4:46 pm : link
He has gone from loving AB, to being confused by him to pissed at him to being truly worried about him. He said...

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Sometimes I wonder about the thousands of head shots and if it truly is having a effect....8 years ago, he was a "yes" man. A true Team player. Now he's mental. I'm worried for him.
RE: This could also be a ploy  
Strahan91 : 8/9/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14524989 Eli2020 said:
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by the Raiders and NFL to make for a more interesting Hard Knocks. Who knows at this point...

He filed a grievance with the NFL over it and hasn't been at camp. Those would be some lengths to go through for ratings...
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2019 4:49 pm : link
Call his bluff.
RE: Sounds more like untreated BPD/Bi-Polar  
adamg : 8/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14524948 Eli2020 said:
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Issues than head trauma/CTE. The longer you push off treating, the worse it gets.


Obviously, you're qualified to make such statements.
RE: I Have a Friend in the Steelers Organization...  
Big Blue '56 : 8/9/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14524990 Capt. Don said:
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He has gone from loving AB, to being confused by him to pissed at him to being truly worried about him. He said...



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Sometimes I wonder about the thousands of head shots and if it truly is having a effect....8 years ago, he was a "yes" man. A true Team player. Now he's mental. I'm worried for him.



Nutty behavior, but I too feel badly for him, health-wise.
I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
RobCarpenter : 8/9/2019 4:55 pm : link
And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.
RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
adamg : 8/9/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14525001 RobCarpenter said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.


Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 4:59 pm : link
It does seem like Brown has been particularly off the rails the last couple of years - he didn't seem like this type of guy before that. He was always a little bit of a character, but he's just really been particularly looney recently.

I won't speculate on head shots or anything - though the one he took from Burfict a few years ago was brutal - and I have no idea if he's mentally okay or not. It's not my place to speculate on stuff like that... but something is just really not right with this dude.

I'm just glad this isn't our problem. What a nightmare.
RE: RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
jlukes : 8/9/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14525008 adamg said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.



Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.


You clearly don't know someone who is bi-polar.
RE: RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
Eli2020 : 8/9/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14525008 adamg said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.



Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.



Erroneous notion. One of the biggest signs of BPD is treating people horribly without realizing it. This seems the case, coupling with being a rich athlete who's clearly been famous for too long. I wouldn't be surprised the NFL give in to this, and he finds some other reason to be upset.
RE: RE: RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
adamg : 8/9/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14525034 jlukes said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.



Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.



You clearly don't know someone who is bi-polar.


I am bi polar. Thanks.
RE: RE: RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
adamg : 8/9/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14525035 Eli2020 said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.



Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.




Erroneous notion. One of the biggest signs of BPD is treating people horribly without realizing it. This seems the case, coupling with being a rich athlete who's clearly been famous for too long. I wouldn't be surprised the NFL give in to this, and he finds some other reason to be upset.


It's not wholly erroneous. That may be true of BPD but not bipolar.

And in either case, most mentally ill people are more a threat to themselves than they are to others.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
Eli2020 : 8/9/2019 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14525041 adamg said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.



Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.




Erroneous notion. One of the biggest signs of BPD is treating people horribly without realizing it. This seems the case, coupling with being a rich athlete who's clearly been famous for too long. I wouldn't be surprised the NFL give in to this, and he finds some other reason to be upset.



It's not wholly erroneous. That may be true of BPD but not bipolar.

And in either case, most mentally ill people are more a threat to themselves than they are to others.



It's semi erroneous. Even horrible people don't act like this. What he's doing is beyond irrational. If anything, illogical. The guys about to throw away millions of dollars.
A receiver who is bat shit crazy?  
EricJ : 8/9/2019 5:28 pm : link
well... that never happened before. Wake me when he wins a superbowl.
You assume the only rationale for any behavior  
adamg : 8/9/2019 5:29 pm : link
could be money which is erroneous. (LOL who uses the word erroneous?)

He may be crazy. He may be mentally ill. You don't know that though. The fact you think you can diagnose someone over the internet based on tabloid reporting says that you aren't as clever as you think.
Woah, okay  
Eli2020 : 8/9/2019 5:37 pm : link
I'm sorry if it seems like I'm trying to diagnose someone via the internet. My apologies. I understand how offensive that can be. I was merely trying to make sense of AB's actions, which are borderline asinine.

Regardless, erroneous is a fantastic word.


It's all good  
adamg : 8/9/2019 5:52 pm : link
There's no question he's an odd duck. I just don't see how throwing out diagnoses is at all accurate or useful. Maybe the guy is just weird about his helmet?
A bunch of you guys can't read, clearly  
ThreePoints : 8/9/2019 6:07 pm : link
AB says the new helmets interfere with his vision and his ability to catch the ball. He's a receiver - catching the ball is what he's paid to do.

It seems perfectly logical to me why he's want to keep his old helmet.
It's not about the helmet.  
MOOPS : 8/9/2019 6:08 pm : link
It's all about the custom made aluminum foil lining.
He is a  
Ike#88 : 8/9/2019 6:08 pm : link
wide receiver diva. Going to make it worth watching hard knocks to see Gruden's oh crap what have I done look.
If it really affects his vision  
jeff57 : 8/9/2019 6:08 pm : link
It’s not nuts for him to complain.
So every other WR can see with the helmet  
RobCarpenter : 8/9/2019 6:15 pm : link
Except for AB?

He is the only one with this issue. Which suggests the helmet design is fine.
Complain yes. Retire no  
Payasdaddy : 8/9/2019 6:20 pm : link
We may have sold high on #13
Thrilled we don’t have to watch another yr of the daily soap opera
Takes away from the pure football for me
RE: So every other WR can see with the helmet  
ThreePoints : 8/9/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14525102 RobCarpenter said:
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Except for AB?

He is the only one with this issue. Which suggests the helmet design is fine.


Right. Because all other wide receivers in this league have been as productive as AB ::eye roll::
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RobCarpenter : 8/9/2019 7:01 pm : link
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Except for AB?

He is the only one with this issue. Which suggests the helmet design is fine.



Right. Because all other wide receivers in this league have been as productive as AB ::eye roll::


Because he sees better than all of them?
His helmet has military style  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/9/2019 7:03 pm : link
radar systems that track incoming footballs.
RE: A bunch of you guys can't read, clearly  
arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14525092 ThreePoints said:
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AB says the new helmets interfere with his vision and his ability to catch the ball. He's a receiver - catching the ball is what he's paid to do.

It seems perfectly logical to me why he's want to keep his old helmet.


You're right - threatening to retire over a fucking helmet when he's the only WR in the league with this issue is totally rational and logical.

There's always someone...
RE: RE: A bunch of you guys can't read, clearly  
ThreePoints : 8/9/2019 7:22 pm : link
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AB says the new helmets interfere with his vision and his ability to catch the ball. He's a receiver - catching the ball is what he's paid to do.

It seems perfectly logical to me why he's want to keep his old helmet.



You're right - threatening to retire over a fucking helmet when he's the only WR in the league with this issue is totally rational and logical.

There's always someone...


He’s one of 32 players with this issue. How many other WRs, I don’t know, but chances are he’s better than all of those wide receivers.

Let’s imagine a world where AB can earn another $5 in performance bonuses. If he thinks the new helmets will affect his performance, why not fight like hell to continue earring the old helmet.
It’s 32 players in the league, not 32 WRs  
RobCarpenter : 8/9/2019 7:25 pm : link
Two of whom are Brady and Rogers. Who seem to be fine with the new helmets.

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ThreePoints : 8/9/2019 7:29 pm : link
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Except for AB?

He is the only one with this issue. Which suggests the helmet design is fine.



Right. Because all other wide receivers in this league have been as productive as AB ::eye roll::



Because he sees better than all of them?


Maybe his vision is great, I don't know. But he's been the most productive receiver in the league since he was drafted, so maybe it has something to do with it.
RE: RE: RE: A bunch of you guys can't read, clearly  
arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 7:30 pm : link
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AB says the new helmets interfere with his vision and his ability to catch the ball. He's a receiver - catching the ball is what he's paid to do.

It seems perfectly logical to me why he's want to keep his old helmet.



You're right - threatening to retire over a fucking helmet when he's the only WR in the league with this issue is totally rational and logical.

There's always someone...



He’s one of 32 players with this issue. How many other WRs, I don’t know, but chances are he’s better than all of those wide receivers.

Let’s imagine a world where AB can earn another $5 in performance bonuses. If he thinks the new helmets will affect his performance, why not fight like hell to continue earring the old helmet.


So how are we defending the part where they've offered to let him try different models and he basically just told them to fuck off and that he wasn't interested?

His behavior has been inexcusable. Threatening to retire over a helmet is pathetic and he's been acting like a lunatic for the better part of 2-3 years now. This is just one of many things he's said or done that have been extremely distracting and I really just can't muster up a single ounce of rationalization or sympathy for him at this point - I'm sorry. I can't.
Gotta be a real big job asshole to make Ben look like a  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/9/2019 7:48 pm : link
The good guy. He’s a ego maniac and a asshole. Almost willing to guarantee he goes broke too.
According to PFT  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/9/2019 8:04 pm : link
He can even wear thw same model helmet. The model is on the approved list.

His helmet won't pass inspection because it's older than 10 years. He just needs a new one according to them.
I think its all BS  
mdthedream : 8/10/2019 8:46 am : link
He can't play right now because of his feet it a distraction because he was a dumb ass that didn't wear proper foot gear.
RE: RE: RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/10/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14525034 jlukes said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.



Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.



You clearly don't know someone who is bi-polar.


Well I do. My ex wife was high functioning. She Has made well over 6 figures her whole life. My older son has a lot similar same issues. The trend in using it as an excuse is needs to slow down.

It’s not an excuse for bad behavior. You can be bi-polar and an asshole. He’s also most likely also more than a bit of a sociopath. The world revolves around me fueled by money and fame. Leading to his ego centric/Koreans more bizarre behavior. I also was a rep for Risperdol years ago. I suggest I know a lot more than most laymen.

And they’re are a lot of people who do need help. Meds and counseling. But Just like not every diabetic needs meds. A better diet a
Can help a Type 2. Less coke and alcohol would most likely do wonders for AB.
He could also just enjoy  
UConn4523 : 8/10/2019 9:58 am : link
being the center of attention and getting what he wants. Not going to diagnose him with any disorder, I don’t know and neither do any of you.

I also don’t believe he threatened to retire. He probably said “fine, if I can’t wear my helmet I’ll just retire”. Just like any of us making a bold statement we don’t mean (everyone has been there).

Not making excuses for him, but it sounds like something that’s being blown out of proportion, which isn’t shocking. He’s no doubt an asshole, but I’ll leave it at that - let’s see how it plays out.
RE: He could also just enjoy  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14525747 UConn4523 said:
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being the center of attention and getting what he wants. Not going to diagnose him with any disorder, I don’t know and neither do any of you.

I also don’t believe he threatened to retire. He probably said “fine, if I can’t wear my helmet I’ll just retire”. Just like any of us making a bold statement we don’t mean (everyone has been there).

Not making excuses for him, but it sounds like something that’s being blown out of proportion, which isn’t shocking. He’s no doubt an asshole, but I’ll leave it at that - let’s see how it plays out.


Sounds like this is threatening to retire to me, no? What else do you call this?

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Adam Schefter

@AdamSchefter
And now this: Raiders’ WR Antonio Brown has told team officials that, unless he gets to wear his old helmet, he will not play football again, per league sources.

And more....
HBO...  
bw in dc : 8/10/2019 10:12 am : link
has struck gold this year with “Hard Knocks”.
It sounds like an adult  
UConn4523 : 8/10/2019 10:33 am : link
throwing a temper tantrum. He isn’t retiring. He knows it, the raiders know it. He enjoys the attention.
And Schefter is public enemy #1  
UConn4523 : 8/10/2019 10:34 am : link
when it comes to sensationalizing stories. Fans eat this stuff up and he keeps pumping it out.
Before going all Dr. Freud here.  
JohnF : 8/10/2019 1:07 pm : link
There might be a simpler solution as to why AB is acting weird. It might be a problem that affects one out of four americans.

He might be superstitious!

This is VERY common in the NFL, and goes back to the start of the game.

In this case, Antonio might view his helmet as his "good luck charm", similar to Roy Hobb's "Wonderboy" bat in The Natural. He'd make any excuse to keep wearing it.

I'm not sure why the NFL and NFLPA aren't willing to allow this sort of thing, if the player is a long time vet and is willing to sign a waiver not to sue or be part of any settlement. Didn't MLB allow vets like Pete Rose to wear cap inserts instead of batting helmets, grandfathering in the vets when they went to mandatory batting helmets?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
JesseS : 8/12/2019 12:47 am : link
In comment 14525038 adamg said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.



Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.



You clearly don't know someone who is bi-polar.



I am bi polar. Thanks.


Well, I'm a therapist. I'm not saying that to mock you in any way but I've worked with 1000s of clients over the years. I've worked with clients that organize their rooms when they're manic - and others that get super irritable or aggressive. People can experience these things and the issues can present themselves wildly different. I'm not even sure he has BPD - people love throwing that one around. Honestly, it seems more like schizophrenia than anything. Or TBI. Paranoia, strange speech (check out his odd video messages), probably some grandiosity. It's odd and sad.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I love how he said “Aaron Rogers doesn’t have to do this”  
JesseS : 8/12/2019 12:50 am : link
In comment 14525740 LauderdaleMatty said:
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And then they sent him a pic of Rodgers wearing the helmet.

Why does everyone assume mental illness here? Maybe AB is just a horrible human being.



Seriously. The mentally ill are more likely to lash out at themselves, not at others.



You clearly don't know someone who is bi-polar.



Well I do. My ex wife was high functioning. She Has made well over 6 figures her whole life. My older son has a lot similar same issues. The trend in using it as an excuse is needs to slow down.

It’s not an excuse for bad behavior. You can be bi-polar and an asshole. He’s also most likely also more than a bit of a sociopath. The world revolves around me fueled by money and fame. Leading to his ego centric/Koreans more bizarre behavior. I also was a rep for Risperdol years ago. I suggest I know a lot more than most laymen.

And they’re are a lot of people who do need help. Meds and counseling. But Just like not every diabetic needs meds. A better diet a
Can help a Type 2. Less coke and alcohol would most likely do wonders for AB.


Well said. The trend is out of control. I know lots off fuckfaces who are bipolar, borderline, etc, and lots of great folks. Some of the fuckfaces manage it and some don't. Some of the great people manage it and some, sadly do not. Social media only amplifies this shit.
Well at least you're not the first person to be an asshole  
adamg : 8/12/2019 2:24 am : link
To me in the past 12 hours.
You didn't contradict my point  
adamg : 8/12/2019 2:26 am : link
But still felt the need to belittle my experience.

Real class act.
I always thought  
crick n NC : 8/12/2019 2:38 am : link
The Company "RCA" stood for "Real Class Act"

Hmm
In retrospect..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 8:08 am : link
the Steelers knew exactly what they were doing when they traded him for a hot dog and a pretzel....
Now we can see why Tomlin let him leave  
PatersonPlank : 8/12/2019 10:00 am : link
These things don't happen in a vacuum, an idiot is an idiot. Talent is everything as some like to think. Team chemistry means a lot, you can't have all these individuals running around creating issues and win
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JesseS : 8/12/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14527193 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the Steelers knew exactly what they were doing when they traded him for a hot dog and a pretzel....


I think they traded away the hot dog for a pretzel.
RE: Now we can see why Tomlin let him leave  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14527282 PatersonPlank said:
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These things don't happen in a vacuum, an idiot is an idiot. Talent is everything as some like to think. Team chemistry means a lot, you can't have all these individuals running around creating issues and win


Like Billy B likes to say - talent sets the floor, character sets the ceiling.
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