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Pff grades first round quarterbacks from last night

BSIMatt : 8/9/2019 4:05 pm
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Immediate takeaways of the NFL's first-round quarterbacks following Thursday's preseason action - ( New Window )
Looks like this is behind  
Metnut : 8/9/2019 4:08 pm : link
a paywall.
RE: Looks like this is behind  
Bill L : 8/9/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14524935 Metnut said:
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a paywall.

Based on their history, it seems like the wall should be reversed.
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Strahan91 : 8/9/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14524935 Metnut said:
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a paywall.

Jones: 91.3
Murray: 82.9
Haskins: 41.6
Your thoughts BBI?  
Reale01 : 8/9/2019 4:17 pm : link
The Giants clearly liked Jones better than Haskins.

Who would be the choice if the Giants had a choice between Jones and Murray?

Who would be your choice?
RE: Your thoughts BBI?  
bw in dc : 8/9/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14524943 Reale01 said:
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Who would be the choice if the Giants had a choice between Jones and Murray?

Who would be your choice?


Easily Murray. And I don't like his height or his turn signal size arms.

But he's got a plus-arm, plus-quickness, and is a tremendous athlete.
Interesting question  
5BowlsSoon : 8/9/2019 4:41 pm : link
I wonder if Giants even had Jones rated over Murray. I donít like Murrayís height but there is no denying he could certainly run for that first down on third and 5.
Jones had as sweet a series as . . . .  
TC : 8/9/2019 4:41 pm : link
I've seen a QB have. But it was against a 2nd string D in a preseason game, and it was only one series. When he gets more action, and inevitably has an ugly series or two, he will be pronounced dog sh!t and a bust by the sports press.

BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!

And that can't be a bad thing.

He set the bar high  
NewBlue : 8/9/2019 4:45 pm : link
Our expectations are now over the top, but you can't take away from the poise, accuracy and timing.
A toss up for me between Jones and Murray. They're so different and  
Ira : 8/9/2019 4:46 pm : link
therefore hard to compare. The obvious differences are that Jones has the size advantage while Murray can whip the ball in and is a great athlete while Jones is just a good one. But Jones has shown that he can deal very well with duress.
Haha, paywall  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/9/2019 4:58 pm : link
21st century football equivalent to snake oil
I think Gettleman takes  
Dave on the UWS : 8/9/2019 4:59 pm : link
Jones, no matter what. Remember he said playing QB in NY is a load. It takes a special kind of person to handle it. Murray has physical gifts but heís never shown he could handle NY.
Murray all day...  
Johnny5 : 8/9/2019 5:15 pm : link
... every day. I don't give a shit that he's small. The dude is a playa.

And I love the Jones pick.
Daniel Jones...  
M.S. : 8/9/2019 5:25 pm : link

...yes! But don't overlook the protection he received. He had a huge pocket and could have made a phone call before throwing the ball.
RE: RE: Looks like this is behind  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14524937 Bill L said:
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In comment 14524935 Metnut said:


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a paywall.


Based on their history, it seems like the wall should be reversed.


Ha ha, awesome.
Really, they're rating  
Bill in UT : 8/9/2019 6:20 pm : link
Jones and Murray on one possession each? Please.
RE: Jones had as sweet a series as . . . .  
BestFeature : 8/9/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14524981 TC said:
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I've seen a QB have. But it was against a 2nd string D in a preseason game, and it was only one series. When he gets more action, and inevitably has an ugly series or two, he will be pronounced dog sh!t and a bust by the sports press.

BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!

And that can't be a bad thing.


This 2nd string thing is garbage.

a) He played without his 3 top playmakers.

b) The only place it really mattered was pass rush because the coverage was great, the separation was half the average separation. So he caught a break by having clean pockets but you know what? That's going to happen with an O-line in the NFL. It even happened last year with our shitty O-line. It's not like this huge outlier.

c) I've heard people question how many backups were even in there, I believe there were starters somewhere in there.
RE: RE: Jones had as sweet a series as . . . .  
Strahan91 : 8/9/2019 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14525107 BestFeature said:
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In comment 14524981 TC said:


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I've seen a QB have. But it was against a 2nd string D in a preseason game, and it was only one series. When he gets more action, and inevitably has an ugly series or two, he will be pronounced dog sh!t and a bust by the sports press.

BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!

And that can't be a bad thing.




This 2nd string thing is garbage.

a) He played without his 3 top playmakers.

b) The only place it really mattered was pass rush because the coverage was great, the separation was half the average separation. So he caught a break by having clean pockets but you know what? That's going to happen with an O-line in the NFL. It even happened last year with our shitty O-line. It's not like this huge outlier.

c) I've heard people question how many backups were even in there, I believe there were starters somewhere in there.

There were multiple starters on the field. Quinnen Williams, Brandon Copeland (OLB), Avery Williamson (ILB), Jordan Jenkins (OLB), Rondez Miles (FS).
I was shocked at how small Murray is  
weeg in the bronx : 8/9/2019 6:43 pm : link
It's scary.
DG  
joeinpa : 8/10/2019 8:03 am : link
Has stated his most important job is getting the next quarterback. One could also assume he liked Jones better than Darnold
I don't like munchkins in the pocket playing QB  
Optimus-NY : 8/10/2019 8:08 am : link
I wouldn't take Murray on that alone, despite how good he is.
Bw In DC  
mittenedman : 8/10/2019 8:30 am : link
you make the same mistake most amateurs do evaluating QBs. Looking for SportsCenter sizzle (insane traits) rather than a guy who is solid in all areas. (No weaknesses.)
A huge arm doesnít matter nearly as much as an ability to drop back, read a defense & deliver the ball accurately on time to the right receiver. And insane athleticism (too much running around) is the death knell for an NFL QB.

I know we beat this to death during the draft but you were hideously wrong on Jones and now here you are pumping Murray over him because he throws hard and has great athleticism. Some people never learn.
Again, the Jets had a number of D starters in there when Jones played  
PatersonPlank : 8/10/2019 9:34 am : link
not sure why people keep qualifying his effort. What about no EE, Shep, Barkley, etc. Shouldn't that matter too then?

I'd take Jones. Never liked Haskins, and I am really worried about Murray's size.
The world loves infographics these days:  
Pete in MD : 8/10/2019 9:44 am : link
Why isnít Daniel Jones in the center on that picture  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 9:47 am : link
since he had the highest rating?

Itís amazing how everybody hates the Giants
This is what I don't understand  
TrueBlue56 : 8/10/2019 9:55 am : link
I have read and heard that it was against 2nd stringers. It was one read and shurmur simplified it for Jones. If it was as simple as that, then why isn't it that easy for every quarterback. Drew lock struggled, haskins struggled and I can go on and on.

It is one preseason game and one drive, but what I like so far is that Jones is checking off the boxes. He looks calm and confident in the pocket, he made really good throws, he was accurate and he scored a touchdown.

Does it mean anyone can say for certain what he is going to be? No, but it's about developing and learning. It is such a lazy argument to say it was against the 2nd team and / or it was simplified for him, because if that was the case every rookie would have the same success.

We have seen enough from the likes of Nassib, Webb and Lauletta to know quarterbacks that struggle to what Daniel Jones showed.
We got mobile Peyton Manning all day  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/10/2019 11:49 am : link
Murray looks like Gary Coleman out there.
Good post TrueBlue56  
mittenedman : 8/10/2019 1:28 pm : link
I'd also add I caught some fire from him on the sidelines after the TD.

I love Eli but it's nice to have a QB with some emotion and ability to fire people up. He may have some Simms/Brady in him.
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