I wonder if Giants even had Jones rated over Murray. I don’t like Murray’s height but there is no denying he could certainly run for that first down on third and 5.
I've seen a QB have. But it was against a 2nd string D in a preseason game, and it was only one series. When he gets more action, and inevitably has an ugly series or two, he will be pronounced dog sh!t and a bust by the sports press.
BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!
therefore hard to compare. The obvious differences are that Jones has the size advantage while Murray can whip the ball in and is a great athlete while Jones is just a good one. But Jones has shown that he can deal very well with duress.
Jones, no matter what. Remember he said playing QB in NY is a load. It takes a special kind of person to handle it. Murray has physical gifts but he’s never shown he could handle NY.
I've seen a QB have. But it was against a 2nd string D in a preseason game, and it was only one series. When he gets more action, and inevitably has an ugly series or two, he will be pronounced dog sh!t and a bust by the sports press.
BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!
And that can't be a bad thing.
This 2nd string thing is garbage.
a) He played without his 3 top playmakers.
b) The only place it really mattered was pass rush because the coverage was great, the separation was half the average separation. So he caught a break by having clean pockets but you know what? That's going to happen with an O-line in the NFL. It even happened last year with our shitty O-line. It's not like this huge outlier.
c) I've heard people question how many backups were even in there, I believe there were starters somewhere in there.
I've seen a QB have. But it was against a 2nd string D in a preseason game, and it was only one series. When he gets more action, and inevitably has an ugly series or two, he will be pronounced dog sh!t and a bust by the sports press.
BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!
And that can't be a bad thing.
This 2nd string thing is garbage.
a) He played without his 3 top playmakers.
b) The only place it really mattered was pass rush because the coverage was great, the separation was half the average separation. So he caught a break by having clean pockets but you know what? That's going to happen with an O-line in the NFL. It even happened last year with our shitty O-line. It's not like this huge outlier.
c) I've heard people question how many backups were even in there, I believe there were starters somewhere in there.
There were multiple starters on the field. Quinnen Williams, Brandon Copeland (OLB), Avery Williamson (ILB), Jordan Jenkins (OLB), Rondez Miles (FS).
you make the same mistake most amateurs do evaluating QBs. Looking for SportsCenter sizzle (insane traits) rather than a guy who is solid in all areas. (No weaknesses.)
A huge arm doesn’t matter nearly as much as an ability to drop back, read a defense & deliver the ball accurately on time to the right receiver. And insane athleticism (too much running around) is the death knell for an NFL QB.
I know we beat this to death during the draft but you were hideously wrong on Jones and now here you are pumping Murray over him because he throws hard and has great athleticism. Some people never learn.
Again, the Jets had a number of D starters in there when Jones played Â
I have read and heard that it was against 2nd stringers. It was one read and shurmur simplified it for Jones. If it was as simple as that, then why isn't it that easy for every quarterback. Drew lock struggled, haskins struggled and I can go on and on.
It is one preseason game and one drive, but what I like so far is that Jones is checking off the boxes. He looks calm and confident in the pocket, he made really good throws, he was accurate and he scored a touchdown.
Does it mean anyone can say for certain what he is going to be? No, but it's about developing and learning. It is such a lazy argument to say it was against the 2nd team and / or it was simplified for him, because if that was the case every rookie would have the same success.
We have seen enough from the likes of Nassib, Webb and Lauletta to know quarterbacks that struggle to what Daniel Jones showed.
Based on their history, it seems like the wall should be reversed.
Jones: 91.3
Murray: 82.9
Haskins: 41.6
Who would be the choice if the Giants had a choice between Jones and Murray?
Who would be your choice?
Who would be the choice if the Giants had a choice between Jones and Murray?
Who would be your choice?
Easily Murray. And I don't like his height or his turn signal size arms.
But he's got a plus-arm, plus-quickness, and is a tremendous athlete.
BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!
And that can't be a bad thing.
And I love the Jones pick.
...yes! But don't overlook the protection he received. He had a huge pocket and could have made a phone call before throwing the ball.
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Based on their history, it seems like the wall should be reversed.
Ha ha, awesome.
BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!
And that can't be a bad thing.
This 2nd string thing is garbage.
a) He played without his 3 top playmakers.
b) The only place it really mattered was pass rush because the coverage was great, the separation was half the average separation. So he caught a break by having clean pockets but you know what? That's going to happen with an O-line in the NFL. It even happened last year with our shitty O-line. It's not like this huge outlier.
c) I've heard people question how many backups were even in there, I believe there were starters somewhere in there.
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I've seen a QB have. But it was against a 2nd string D in a preseason game, and it was only one series. When he gets more action, and inevitably has an ugly series or two, he will be pronounced dog sh!t and a bust by the sports press.
BUT, in 60+ years of watching NFL QB's, I haven't seen a series in which a QB had any better timing, touch and placement than Jones exhibited in that one series. WOW!
And that can't be a bad thing.
This 2nd string thing is garbage.
a) He played without his 3 top playmakers.
b) The only place it really mattered was pass rush because the coverage was great, the separation was half the average separation. So he caught a break by having clean pockets but you know what? That's going to happen with an O-line in the NFL. It even happened last year with our shitty O-line. It's not like this huge outlier.
c) I've heard people question how many backups were even in there, I believe there were starters somewhere in there.
There were multiple starters on the field. Quinnen Williams, Brandon Copeland (OLB), Avery Williamson (ILB), Jordan Jenkins (OLB), Rondez Miles (FS).
A huge arm doesn’t matter nearly as much as an ability to drop back, read a defense & deliver the ball accurately on time to the right receiver. And insane athleticism (too much running around) is the death knell for an NFL QB.
I know we beat this to death during the draft but you were hideously wrong on Jones and now here you are pumping Murray over him because he throws hard and has great athleticism. Some people never learn.
I'd take Jones. Never liked Haskins, and I am really worried about Murray's size.
It’s amazing how everybody hates the Giants
It is one preseason game and one drive, but what I like so far is that Jones is checking off the boxes. He looks calm and confident in the pocket, he made really good throws, he was accurate and he scored a touchdown.
Does it mean anyone can say for certain what he is going to be? No, but it's about developing and learning. It is such a lazy argument to say it was against the 2nd team and / or it was simplified for him, because if that was the case every rookie would have the same success.
We have seen enough from the likes of Nassib, Webb and Lauletta to know quarterbacks that struggle to what Daniel Jones showed.
I love Eli but it's nice to have a QB with some emotion and ability to fire people up. He may have some Simms/Brady in him.