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Sy'56 : 8/9/2019 4:22 pm
I try to read transcripts of every NFL coach weekly. 80% of it is fluff, but the other 20% can be enlightening.

Anyway..Shurmur noted one of the mistakes Daniel Jones made was forgetting to get the tight end in motion prior to his first pass. I re-watched...and noticed Rhett Ellison was staring at Jones pre-snap waiting to motion. The reason they needed to motion him was pass protection. Ellison, being savvy and quick-minded, darted across the line after the snap and still made the block. Had he not, Jones would have likely be clocked for the sack. Maybe he would have still gotten it off, but that isn't the point.

When it comes to PFF grades, or the "grades" of media, you have to understand that IT IS A FACT...they often don't know the full scale of responsibilities all around.

If Jones got sacked there, we immediately blame the blocking. "OL gets beat"..."RB didn't pick up the blitz". If Jones had gotten hit, how many of you would have known it was actually Jones' fault?

Something woefully similar happened to both Haskins and Lock in their first preseason games. I think things like this happen more than we will ever know...and because of that the grades coming from them MUST be taken LIGHTLY.

Personally...I use them for about 25% of the information they throw out there. Some of it is very useful...but the grading just won't ever make complete sense.
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You wrote that EVERYBODY hates the Giants  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 7:47 pm : link
and you think I have a problem?
Sorry if a bit of hyperbole flew over your head.  
PhiPsi125 : 8/9/2019 7:55 pm : link
Itís my experience that people will argue obvious hyperbole with vague, condescending comments when they donít understand the actual point.

Yes, Iím sure there were some people talking highly of Jones today, itís just not what I HEARD while LISTENING to the shows/media much of the day.

I hope your night gets better.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2019 8:01 pm : link
Phi... you need to understand that this guy literally spends entire days doing almost nothing but analyzing everyone else's posts around here.

Look at Eric's psychological impact thread if you need more proof. His thing today is to keep letting BBI know about their "self concept problem" - whatever that means.

Sticking to football talk would probably be a better idea than this bizarre deep dive into the collective psyche of BBI, but I'm not holding my breath.
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PhiPsi125 : 8/9/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14525213 arcarsenal said:
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Phi... you need to understand that this guy literally spends entire days doing almost nothing but analyzing everyone else's posts around here.

Look at Eric's psychological impact thread if you need more proof. His thing today is to keep letting BBI know about their "self concept problem" - whatever that means.

Sticking to football talk would probably be a better idea than this bizarre deep dive into the collective psyche of BBI, but I'm not holding my breath.


Got it. Thanks arc. Moving on.
RE: Sorry if a bit of hyperbole flew over your head.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14525211 PhiPsi125 said:
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Itís my experience that people will argue obvious hyperbole with vague, condescending comments when they donít understand the actual point.

Yes, Iím sure there were some people talking highly of Jones today, itís just not what I HEARD while LISTENING to the shows/media much of the day.

I hope your night gets better.


Look no big deal. But clearly the commentary went both ways and probably moreso to Jonesí favor. Donít need to play the underdog or sympathy card just to get a rise. The Giants will get better when they pick better players, play better on the field and their coaches/front office make better decisions.
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Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14525213 arcarsenal said:
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Phi... you need to understand that this guy literally spends entire days doing almost nothing but analyzing everyone else's posts around here.

Look at Eric's psychological impact thread if you need more proof. His thing today is to keep letting BBI know about their "self concept problem" - whatever that means.

Sticking to football talk would probably be a better idea than this bizarre deep dive into the collective psyche of BBI, but I'm not holding my breath.


Hmm...a bit active today. Donít get so hurt because I mentioned you shouldnít call out other teams players hoping to play bad. Clearly that and a few...set you off.

Oh well

RE: RE: Nice observation.  
Blue21 : 8/9/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14524959 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 14524947 Big Blue '56 said:


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Otherwise, thoughts on DJís drive?



Should be done within the next 24 hours. But it couldn't have been better.


What I liked was that Jones mentioned it (what he did wrong) in his interview. How many QB's would have? He's learning and this is the kind of stuff that will earn him respect among his teammates.
It is really odd to me that people consider  
Mike from Ohio : 8/9/2019 9:16 pm : link
things said by Chris Carter with any degree of seriousness. Itís like spending time pondering what the crazy guy on the street corner was getting at when he said Grover Cleveland was a Martian double-agent.

Just because someone is talking it doesnít mean they have anything worth hearing. Iíve never heard an intelligent thought come from Chris Carter.
Agree Mike  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 9:21 pm : link
Listening and hearing are different...
RE: It is really odd to me that people consider  
bw in dc : 8/9/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14525367 Mike from Ohio said:
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things said by Chris Carter with any degree of seriousness. Itís like spending time pondering what the crazy guy on the street corner was getting at when he said Grover Cleveland was a Martian double-agent.

Just because someone is talking it doesnít mean they have anything worth hearing. Iíve never heard an intelligent thought come from Chris Carter.




So let's connect the dots why I even brought it up.

In Sy's opening, he mentioned that Jones forgot to put the TE in motion. Yet, he still made the play. I obviously don't know the playbook, and found that an interesting wrinkle in the outcome.

So then I heard Carter and Mangini talking today about Jones's performance this morning. Carter is a HoF WR who is well versed in defensive secondary coverage. Whether you chose to accept that or not is completely up to you. And Mangini has been a DC for a SB winning team in New England under BP. So I think his credentials speak for themselves.

But then they started to analyze the TD pass and showed where the defense actually broke down. And how Jones and the Giants were fortune to pull that off. So like Sy's insight on his play, I found the insight by Carter and Mangini interesting as well. So I shared it.

Alas, I misjudged the sensitivity of the BBI mainstream. And forgot to anticipate that they would read the comment as an attack on Jones.

The more things change around here, the more they stay the same...
RE: RE: RE: Nice observation.  
Percy : 8/9/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14525263 Blue21 said:
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Otherwise, thoughts on DJís drive?



Should be done within the next 24 hours. But it couldn't have been better.



What I liked was that Jones mentioned it (what he did wrong) in his interview. How many QB's would have? He's learning and this is the kind of stuff that will earn him respect among his teammates.

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RE: RE: It is really odd to me that people consider  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14525483 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14525367 Mike from Ohio said:


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things said by Chris Carter with any degree of seriousness. Itís like spending time pondering what the crazy guy on the street corner was getting at when he said Grover Cleveland was a Martian double-agent.

Just because someone is talking it doesnít mean they have anything worth hearing. Iíve never heard an intelligent thought come from Chris Carter.





So let's connect the dots why I even brought it up.

In Sy's opening, he mentioned that Jones forgot to put the TE in motion. Yet, he still made the play. I obviously don't know the playbook, and found that an interesting wrinkle in the outcome.

So then I heard Carter and Mangini talking today about Jones's performance this morning. Carter is a HoF WR who is well versed in defensive secondary coverage. Whether you chose to accept that or not is completely up to you. And Mangini has been a DC for a SB winning team in New England under BP. So I think his credentials speak for themselves.

But then they started to analyze the TD pass and showed where the defense actually broke down. And how Jones and the Giants were fortune to pull that off. So like Sy's insight on his play, I found the insight by Carter and Mangini interesting as well. So I shared it.

Alas, I misjudged the sensitivity of the BBI mainstream. And forgot to anticipate that they would read the comment as an attack on Jones.

The more things change around here, the more they stay the same...


Good assessment, particularly of BBI. I have noticed similar tones as of late...
Is this bizzaro world of BBI  
dep026 : 8/9/2019 11:01 pm : link
Haha. Wow.
The comment is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 11:05 pm : link
and should be taken solely to something brought up quite a bit here - PFF is very misleading in player ratings. Their methodology is flawed. Their grades are often not even directionally correct.

This really shouldn't be such an issue, but the fact is that PFF touts its player ratings and shares them with several outlets. They put a spotlight on those ratings by highlighting them as much as possible.

What should be telling is that those ratings are only used for fan and network usage. Not a single team pays for that service.
RE: The comment is..  
crick n NC : 8/9/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14525537 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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and should be taken solely to something brought up quite a bit here - PFF is very misleading in player ratings. Their methodology is flawed. Their grades are often not even directionally correct.

This really shouldn't be such an issue, but the fact is that PFF touts its player ratings and shares them with several outlets. They put a spotlight on those ratings by highlighting them as much as possible.

What should be telling is that those ratings are only used for fan and network usage. Not a single team pays for that service.


I think you have that text permanently copied to repost as a PSA and I appreciate that personally

Crick...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2019 11:16 pm : link
I'm just amazed at how many people quote PFF and refer to them as an authority on statistics.

Right now, they are the type of source that gives analytics a bad name, and that's with the full knowledge knowing that down the road they may have the resources to become an authority.

But right now they are an example of a self-promoting outlet that isn't providing any tangible insight, yet passing off information as it they are.

I hate sounding like a broken record, but it seems that almost daily PFF gets a BBI'er to quote or reference some of their "grades"
Sounds typical to me  
crick n NC : 8/9/2019 11:30 pm : link
It's what we do
Pff are snake oil salesmen  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/9/2019 11:32 pm : link
.
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crick n NC : 8/9/2019 11:35 pm : link
Doesn't snake oil cause low BP?
All I know is it didn't do a thing  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
for my consumption or my dropsey
RE: RE: It is really odd to me that people consider  
BestFeature : 8/9/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14525483 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14525367 Mike from Ohio said:


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things said by Chris Carter with any degree of seriousness. Itís like spending time pondering what the crazy guy on the street corner was getting at when he said Grover Cleveland was a Martian double-agent.

Just because someone is talking it doesnít mean they have anything worth hearing. Iíve never heard an intelligent thought come from Chris Carter.





So let's connect the dots why I even brought it up.

In Sy's opening, he mentioned that Jones forgot to put the TE in motion. Yet, he still made the play. I obviously don't know the playbook, and found that an interesting wrinkle in the outcome.

So then I heard Carter and Mangini talking today about Jones's performance this morning. Carter is a HoF WR who is well versed in defensive secondary coverage. Whether you chose to accept that or not is completely up to you. And Mangini has been a DC for a SB winning team in New England under BP. So I think his credentials speak for themselves.

But then they started to analyze the TD pass and showed where the defense actually broke down. And how Jones and the Giants were fortune to pull that off. So like Sy's insight on his play, I found the insight by Carter and Mangini interesting as well. So I shared it.

Alas, I misjudged the sensitivity of the BBI mainstream. And forgot to anticipate that they would read the comment as an attack on Jones.

The more things change around here, the more they stay the same...


I guarantee you that if this play were made by a popular QB or QB prospect they wouldn't make a case for why the defense wasn't perfect. The defense is never perfect on plays like that!
RE: All I know is it didn't do a thing  
crick n NC : 8/9/2019 11:57 pm : link
In comment 14525553 Sneakers O'toole said:
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for my consumption or my dropsey


Crick n NC Liked this response
RE: RE: RE: It is really odd to me that people consider  
bw in dc : 8/10/2019 7:26 am : link
In comment 14525558 BestFeature said:
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So let's connect the dots why I even brought it up.

In Sy's opening, he mentioned that Jones forgot to put the TE in motion. Yet, he still made the play. I obviously don't know the playbook, and found that an interesting wrinkle in the outcome.

So then I heard Carter and Mangini talking today about Jones's performance this morning. Carter is a HoF WR who is well versed in defensive secondary coverage. Whether you chose to accept that or not is completely up to you. And Mangini has been a DC for a SB winning team in New England under BP. So I think his credentials speak for themselves.

But then they started to analyze the TD pass and showed where the defense actually broke down. And how Jones and the Giants were fortune to pull that off. So like Sy's insight on his play, I found the insight by Carter and Mangini interesting as well. So I shared it.

Alas, I misjudged the sensitivity of the BBI mainstream. And forgot to anticipate that they would read the comment as an attack on Jones.

The more things change around here, the more they stay the same...



I guarantee you that if this play were made by a popular QB or QB prospect they wouldn't make a case for why the defense wasn't perfect. The defense is never perfect on plays like that!


Did you read what you wrote in that first sentence? I think I understand the first part of the compound sentence but the second part makes no sense to me. Care to give it a second crack?

Just out of curiosity, and humor me here, if I posted that Carter and Mangini said the throw by Jones was one of the best theyíve seen by a rookie in a long, long time, what would your reaction be?
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Peppers catches  
djm : 8/10/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14525155 Jimmy Googs said:
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Darnold's pass on the 3rd play of the game, are people genuflecting at St. Darnold today?

Doubt it.



Donít know what your problem with people liking Darnold is. Kids going to be very good



I think the point is that the media has gone out of their way all day to knock down Jonesí performance while not treating other QBs the same. McNallys point is sound...Darnold very nearly threw an INT on the first play of the game but all Iíve heard all day is how good he looked. Jones throws a TD and it was only because the defense missed it lol.

Or my favorite ALL DAY - ďletís calm down, Jones was playing behind the first string offensive line against the Jets second string defense.Ē

Itís really amazing how everyone hates the NY Giants.



Itís more amazing you actually think that. Jones has gotten nice comments from many in the business on his debut.

Too many of you have a self concept problem as Giant fans...


The media clearly had an agenda with the giants lately and especially this entire offseason. Yes theyíve been bad. Yes they are an easy target lately. This offseason has still been an embarrassment. Some of the shit being said has been deplorable.

Jones looked good. Period.
Imagine having a beer  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/10/2019 10:25 am : link
With BW or Goods?

What insufferable men.
Meant to say Googs  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/10/2019 10:25 am : link
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Are you buying the first round?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 10:39 am : link
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If..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/10/2019 12:12 pm : link
you understand that bw is generally just pulling our legs, having a beer with him doesn't sound too bad.

I think he and I are a lot more alike than we are different
I came to that conclusion as well  
crick n NC : 8/10/2019 12:16 pm : link
Although he still pulls me in sometimes!
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BestFeature : 8/10/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14525621 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14525558 BestFeature said:


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So let's connect the dots why I even brought it up.

In Sy's opening, he mentioned that Jones forgot to put the TE in motion. Yet, he still made the play. I obviously don't know the playbook, and found that an interesting wrinkle in the outcome.

So then I heard Carter and Mangini talking today about Jones's performance this morning. Carter is a HoF WR who is well versed in defensive secondary coverage. Whether you chose to accept that or not is completely up to you. And Mangini has been a DC for a SB winning team in New England under BP. So I think his credentials speak for themselves.

But then they started to analyze the TD pass and showed where the defense actually broke down. And how Jones and the Giants were fortune to pull that off. So like Sy's insight on his play, I found the insight by Carter and Mangini interesting as well. So I shared it.

Alas, I misjudged the sensitivity of the BBI mainstream. And forgot to anticipate that they would read the comment as an attack on Jones.

The more things change around here, the more they stay the same...



I guarantee you that if this play were made by a popular QB or QB prospect they wouldn't make a case for why the defense wasn't perfect. The defense is never perfect on plays like that!



Did you read what you wrote in that first sentence? I think I understand the first part of the compound sentence but the second part makes no sense to me. Care to give it a second crack?

Just out of curiosity, and humor me here, if I posted that Carter and Mangini said the throw by Jones was one of the best theyíve seen by a rookie in a long, long time, what would your reaction be?


Surprise, at least from Carter since he has a vested interest in Jones failing. But this isn't exactly linear. Giving props to Daniel Jones rather than nitpicking his play giving the circumstances makes way more sense to me. So it's not like giving him props is somehow as irrational as criticizing him.
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Strahan91 : 8/10/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14525483 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14525367 Mike from Ohio said:


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things said by Chris Carter with any degree of seriousness. Itís like spending time pondering what the crazy guy on the street corner was getting at when he said Grover Cleveland was a Martian double-agent.

Just because someone is talking it doesnít mean they have anything worth hearing. Iíve never heard an intelligent thought come from Chris Carter.





So let's connect the dots why I even brought it up.

In Sy's opening, he mentioned that Jones forgot to put the TE in motion. Yet, he still made the play. I obviously don't know the playbook, and found that an interesting wrinkle in the outcome.

So then I heard Carter and Mangini talking today about Jones's performance this morning. Carter is a HoF WR who is well versed in defensive secondary coverage. Whether you chose to accept that or not is completely up to you. And Mangini has been a DC for a SB winning team in New England under BP. So I think his credentials speak for themselves.

But then they started to analyze the TD pass and showed where the defense actually broke down. And how Jones and the Giants were fortune to pull that off. So like Sy's insight on his play, I found the insight by Carter and Mangini interesting as well. So I shared it.

Alas, I misjudged the sensitivity of the BBI mainstream. And forgot to anticipate that they would read the comment as an attack on Jones.

The more things change around here, the more they stay the same...

Hmmm, Carter is definitely an expert whoís opinion should be weighed heavily. Who can forget the time that he rattled off his top 6 WRís in 2011 and left Calvin Johnson off the list and then had this to say: ďCalvin Johnson, he's very, very good at Madden and Tecmo Bowl or whatever they're playing now. But on film, when I watch film, and I break down the film, he's not to the point of these guys yet. That doesn't mean he can't play. He just not there yet." If you think Cris Carter is on TV and stays relevant because of his expertise, I have a bridge to sell you. He may not be as stupid as he seems but he certainly knows how to stay relevant given the state of todayís sports media.

Also no offense to Sy but this ďinteresting wrinkleĒ isnít exactly groundbreaking news given that Jones himself said it the first time he spoke to the media after the game adding that he owed Gallman one.
Iíd hang with Googs  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/10/2019 1:45 pm : link
He tells it like he sees it and has a good wicked sense of humor.

First beerís on me
RE: Iíd hang with Googs  
dep026 : 8/10/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14526054 gidiefor said:
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He tells it like he sees it and has a good wicked sense of humor.

First beerís on me


Ahhh.... it all makes sense now.
I tell it like I see as well  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/10/2019 2:40 pm : link
I just donít go around acting like Iím all knowing either.

Bet you I could beat him in a round of golf tho
Doubtful...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14526084 dep026 said:
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Ahhh.... it all makes sense now.
RE: I tell it like I see as well  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14526101 McNally's_Nuts said:
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I just donít go around acting like Iím all knowing either.

Bet you I could beat him in a round of golf tho


we can't have beer but now we are going to play golf??
RE: RE: RE: It is really odd to me that people consider  
bw in dc : 8/10/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14525976 Strahan91 said:
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Hmmm, Carter is definitely an expert whoís opinion should be weighed heavily. Who can forget the time that he rattled off his top 6 WRís in 2011 and left Calvin Johnson off the list and then had this to say: ďCalvin Johnson, he's very, very good at Madden and Tecmo Bowl or whatever they're playing now. But on film, when I watch film, and I break down the film, he's not to the point of these guys yet. That doesn't mean he can't play. He just not there yet." If you think Cris Carter is on TV and stays relevant because of his expertise, I have a bridge to sell you. He may not be as stupid as he seems but he certainly knows how to stay relevant given the state of todayís sports media.

Also no offense to Sy but this ďinteresting wrinkleĒ isnít exactly groundbreaking news given that Jones himself said it the first time he spoke to the media after the game adding that he owed Gallman one.


Okay, for my future reference, can you please provide a list of which experts are considered too biased? Thanks.

And, again, because I started to get the sense Carter was persona non grata around here, I referenced Mangini who also made the point. So whatever biases EM may have - let me guess, former Jets HC - I haven't unearthed it...
RE: Doubtful...  
dep026 : 8/10/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14526111 Jimmy Googs said:
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Ahhh.... it all makes sense now.



No it actually makes clear sense
Iím a complex guy, James  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/10/2019 2:55 pm : link
Also, donít drink when I play golf.
I agree with Sy'56's original point - PFF should be taken with a grain  
PatersonPlank : 8/10/2019 2:59 pm : link
if salt. On Carter, he is a bitter opinionated guy who will be belittling Jones all season. If you listened to the whole segment he also praised Haskins who was awful.
RE: Iím a complex guy, James  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14526117 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Also, donít drink when I play golf.


Yeah you sound like a swell guy
I'd love to have...  
bw in dc : 8/10/2019 3:16 pm : link
a few cold ones with Googs, Fat-Mara, and dep.

Talk a little football, talk a little weather... ;)
I don't golf when I drink.  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/10/2019 3:37 pm : link
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RE: I don't golf when I drink.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14526158 Sneakers O'toole said:
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This is it
RE: I'd love to have...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14526144 bw in dc said:
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a few cold ones with Googs, Fat-Mara, and dep.

Talk a little football, talk a little weather... ;)


Sounds like a blast.

Not sure we should let Dep gauge any of the yardage though...
I don't drink or play golf, but I'm 420-friendly.  
Klaatu : 8/10/2019 4:07 pm : link
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Strahan91 : 8/10/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14526114 bw in dc said:
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Hmmm, Carter is definitely an expert whoís opinion should be weighed heavily. Who can forget the time that he rattled off his top 6 WRís in 2011 and left Calvin Johnson off the list and then had this to say: ďCalvin Johnson, he's very, very good at Madden and Tecmo Bowl or whatever they're playing now. But on film, when I watch film, and I break down the film, he's not to the point of these guys yet. That doesn't mean he can't play. He just not there yet." If you think Cris Carter is on TV and stays relevant because of his expertise, I have a bridge to sell you. He may not be as stupid as he seems but he certainly knows how to stay relevant given the state of todayís sports media.

Also no offense to Sy but this ďinteresting wrinkleĒ isnít exactly groundbreaking news given that Jones himself said it the first time he spoke to the media after the game adding that he owed Gallman one.



Okay, for my future reference, can you please provide a list of which experts are considered too biased? Thanks.

And, again, because I started to get the sense Carter was persona non grata around here, I referenced Mangini who also made the point. So whatever biases EM may have - let me guess, former Jets HC - I haven't unearthed it...

Notice not once did I call Carter biased but since you brought it up, Carter called the Giants a racist organization who wouldn't have taken Jones if he was the same prospect except instead of being white he were an African American. That seems like a bias to me unless you think there's merit to that statement?

You keep referencing Mangini but I've seen the clip of him on FS1 and he doesn't make that point. Carter says a number of things, the last of which is about the touchdown pass and how as a coach wouldn't he be all over the safety for picking the ball and Mangini just says "yeah" and then goes into Shurmur commenting on him forgetting to motion the tight end and talks positively about Jones. Are you referencing him saying "yeah". If so, I don't believe that's him making the same point that Carter is... If I missed another segment, please do share the link.
RE: RE: Nice observation.  
Klaatu : 8/10/2019 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14524959 Sy'56 said:
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Otherwise, thoughts on DJís drive?



Should be done within the next 24 hours. But it couldn't have been better.


RE: RE: Iím a complex guy, James  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/10/2019 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14526137 Jimmy Googs said:
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Also, donít drink when I play golf.



Yeah you sound like a swell guy


I should apologize. Today was my moms birthday and she passed away in December quickly.

I am a swell guy. I played competitively for a while, Iíll have 1-2 but no more than that
McNally - so sorry for your loss. I lost my dad  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 6:15 pm : link
just before Giants last SuperBowl and it sucked.

We are good....ok?


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