I try to read transcripts of every NFL coach weekly. 80% of it is fluff, but the other 20% can be enlightening.
Anyway..Shurmur noted one of the mistakes Daniel Jones made was forgetting to get the tight end in motion prior to his first pass. I re-watched...and noticed Rhett Ellison was staring at Jones pre-snap waiting to motion. The reason they needed to motion him was pass protection. Ellison, being savvy and quick-minded, darted across the line after the snap and still made the block. Had he not, Jones would have likely be clocked for the sack. Maybe he would have still gotten it off, but that isn't the point.
When it comes to PFF grades, or the "grades" of media, you have to understand that IT IS A FACT...they often don't know the full scale of responsibilities all around.
If Jones got sacked there, we immediately blame the blocking. "OL gets beat"..."RB didn't pick up the blitz". If Jones had gotten hit, how many of you would have known it was actually Jones' fault?
Something woefully similar happened to both Haskins and Lock in their first preseason games. I think things like this happen more than we will ever know...and because of that the grades coming from them MUST be taken LIGHTLY.
Personally...I use them for about 25% of the information they throw out there. Some of it is very useful...but the grading just won't ever make complete sense.
Jones grade adjusted from A to C- (just kidding, but still he has things to work on for sure).
I didn't re-watch the play, but either way, Jones mentioned this miss of his during the game when they interviewed him on NFL Network.
Should be done within the next 24 hours. But it couldn't have been better.
I didn't re-watch the play, but either way, Jones mentioned this miss of his during the game when they interviewed him on NFL Network.
Gallman, I guess not Perkins.
Not sure. From my limited interactions with them, they are pompous and won't ever admit shortcomings.
It’s hard not to be excited about this kids future.
So that’s where we’re going? A guy makes a great pass and there are REASONS why it was or shouldn’t have been completed?
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and Eric Mangini were making similar comments today. And both said Jones got very fortunate that the S was poor to react on the TD pass, and should have either been in position to make the INT or knock the pass down.
So that’s where we’re going? A guy makes a great pass and there are REASONS why it was or shouldn’t have been completed?
Nothing nefarious. Just pointing out what I heard about how the defense reacted on the TD.
Unfortunately for us we don't get that with Eli and many bbi'ers just have meltdowns on what they assume are bad Eli passes. No good deed goes unpunished.
See from Nick Turchyn (@Tmanic21) who posts here sometimes:
Hole Shot TD
🎯3x1 set, but trade Y to 2x2 and NO one follows (Zone Indicator)
🎯2-High safeties pre-snap that stays static, QB reads the flat defender and sees Zone Eyes
🎯Like the decisiveness w/Corner-Flat Combo vs C2, he WANTS to make the D pay w/the Corner
Someone responded and said it was a dangerous throw and should've been picked and that he had two other options to which Nick replied:
TBH hes throwing a boun Flat-7 Combo, reads the Flat defender correctly, and his timing/placement saves him a bit. The opposite side is mirrored essentially, so I like him aggressively challenging the short side of the field
Don't watch that garbage station until they fire Chris Carter after the vile accusations he made against the Giants.
The next time Pete Alonso hits a HR, remind me not to praise him but to blame the pitcher for not hitting his spot
Doubt it.
Just so many things we don't know about.
The next time Pete Alonso hits a HR, remind me not to praise him but to blame the pitcher for not hitting his spot
So in your world, we should just assume the defense was playing great defense and we just out-executed them.
Brilliant.
By definition a tight window throw will involve a defender who is inches away from making a play - we could do this with any great throw in traffic.
The media would blame the OL, when not their fault.
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and Eric Mangini were making similar comments today. And both said Jones got very fortunate that the S was poor to react on the TD pass, and should have either been in position to make the INT or knock the pass down.
So that’s where we’re going? A guy makes a great pass and there are REASONS why it was or shouldn’t have been completed?
Only in BWs world.
I liked what I saw. DJ, said he blew the motion, think last night after the game. But he won't make that mistake again.
I personally don't believe there's an immeasurable number of variables in assignments or keys one can't learn, but if "knowing" the assignment is a prerequisite on value it's hard to trust anyone outside of the org on that.
Football is in the same state baseball was 25 years ago -- the traditional definitions of success, and therefore value, feel incomplete because they are.
What baseball found is fundamentally the definitions of "success" were flawed, and so the pursuit of those flawed measures caused confusion and inaccurate measurements.
If the measurement is; did the player follow instruction that's not crazy hard to surmise. If the measurement is the did the player follow instruction and did that lead to success, a little harder. If the measurement is was the instruction the right choice and did the player follow it, now we're talking.
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The next time Pete Alonso hits a HR, remind me not to praise him but to blame the pitcher for not hitting his spot
So in your world, we should just assume the defense was playing great defense and we just out-executed them.
Brilliant.
Sounds like you're really stretching hoping for something to bitch about to be called right. And clearly Cris Carter who said the Giants were racist for picking Jones will never give him credit because he'll look like a buffoon for more than his football acumen.
Doubt it.
Don’t know what your problem with people liking Darnold is. Kids going to be very good
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Darnold's pass on the 3rd play of the game, are people genuflecting at St. Darnold today?
Doubt it.
Don’t know what your problem with people liking Darnold is. Kids going to be very good
I have no issues with it, I’m just saying it to fit a specific narrative
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Darnold's pass on the 3rd play of the game, are people genuflecting at St. Darnold today?
Doubt it.
Don’t know what your problem with people liking Darnold is. Kids going to be very good
I think the point is that the media has gone out of their way all day to knock down Jones’ performance while not treating other QBs the same. McNallys point is sound...Darnold very nearly threw an INT on the first play of the game but all I’ve heard all day is how good he looked. Jones throws a TD and it was only because the defense missed it lol.
Or my favorite ALL DAY - “let’s calm down, Jones was playing behind the first string offensive line against the Jets second string defense.”
It’s really amazing how everyone hates the NY Giants.
We can play these games all day long...
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Darnold's pass on the 3rd play of the game, are people genuflecting at St. Darnold today?
Doubt it.
Don’t know what your problem with people liking Darnold is. Kids going to be very good
I think the point is that the media has gone out of their way all day to knock down Jones’ performance while not treating other QBs the same. McNallys point is sound...Darnold very nearly threw an INT on the first play of the game but all I’ve heard all day is how good he looked. Jones throws a TD and it was only because the defense missed it lol.
Or my favorite ALL DAY - “let’s calm down, Jones was playing behind the first string offensive line against the Jets second string defense.”
It’s really amazing how everyone hates the NY Giants.
Not that this proves anyone wrong, but no one likes admitting they're wrong. Especially not tools like Carter and Mangini.
We can play these games all day long...
Obviously the stakes were much higher but I bet you can similarly nitpick Manning to Manningham in the Super Bowl. Literally can do this with every play. Only do this with Jones because the media needs to save face.
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Darnold's pass on the 3rd play of the game, are people genuflecting at St. Darnold today?
Doubt it.
Don’t know what your problem with people liking Darnold is. Kids going to be very good
I think the point is that the media has gone out of their way all day to knock down Jones’ performance while not treating other QBs the same. McNallys point is sound...Darnold very nearly threw an INT on the first play of the game but all I’ve heard all day is how good he looked. Jones throws a TD and it was only because the defense missed it lol.
Or my favorite ALL DAY - “let’s calm down, Jones was playing behind the first string offensive line against the Jets second string defense.”
It’s really amazing how everyone hates the NY Giants.
It’s more amazing you actually think that. Jones has gotten nice comments from many in the business on his debut.
Too many of you have a self concept problem as Giant fans...
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In comment 14525007 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Darnold's pass on the 3rd play of the game, are people genuflecting at St. Darnold today?
Doubt it.
Don’t know what your problem with people liking Darnold is. Kids going to be very good
I think the point is that the media has gone out of their way all day to knock down Jones’ performance while not treating other QBs the same. McNallys point is sound...Darnold very nearly threw an INT on the first play of the game but all I’ve heard all day is how good he looked. Jones throws a TD and it was only because the defense missed it lol.
Or my favorite ALL DAY - “let’s calm down, Jones was playing behind the first string offensive line against the Jets second string defense.”
It’s really amazing how everyone hates the NY Giants.
It’s more amazing you actually think that. Jones has gotten nice comments from many in the business on his debut.
Too many of you have a self concept problem as Giant fans...
We must watch/listen to different shows...because that’s not what I’ve heard all day.
There’s a difference...
There’s a difference...
Lol, this stuff really bugs you huh? Thanks for the education. I’ll be sure to keep that in mind never.
Yes, I’m sure there were some people talking highly of Jones today, it’s just not what I HEARD while LISTENING to the shows/media much of the day.
I hope your night gets better.
Look at Eric's psychological impact thread if you need more proof. His thing today is to keep letting BBI know about their "self concept problem" - whatever that means.
Sticking to football talk would probably be a better idea than this bizarre deep dive into the collective psyche of BBI, but I'm not holding my breath.
Look at Eric's psychological impact thread if you need more proof. His thing today is to keep letting BBI know about their "self concept problem" - whatever that means.
Sticking to football talk would probably be a better idea than this bizarre deep dive into the collective psyche of BBI, but I'm not holding my breath.
Got it. Thanks arc. Moving on.
Yes, I’m sure there were some people talking highly of Jones today, it’s just not what I HEARD while LISTENING to the shows/media much of the day.
I hope your night gets better.
Look no big deal. But clearly the commentary went both ways and probably moreso to Jones’ favor. Don’t need to play the underdog or sympathy card just to get a rise. The Giants will get better when they pick better players, play better on the field and their coaches/front office make better decisions.
Look at Eric's psychological impact thread if you need more proof. His thing today is to keep letting BBI know about their "self concept problem" - whatever that means.
Sticking to football talk would probably be a better idea than this bizarre deep dive into the collective psyche of BBI, but I'm not holding my breath.
Hmm...a bit active today. Don’t get so hurt because I mentioned you shouldn’t call out other teams players hoping to play bad. Clearly that and a few...set you off.
Oh well
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Otherwise, thoughts on DJ’s drive?
Should be done within the next 24 hours. But it couldn't have been better.
What I liked was that Jones mentioned it (what he did wrong) in his interview. How many QB's would have? He's learning and this is the kind of stuff that will earn him respect among his teammates.
Just because someone is talking it doesn’t mean they have anything worth hearing. I’ve never heard an intelligent thought come from Chris Carter.