Eli Manning has done his job for the Giants and helped deliver 2 SB wins which he will forever be in the hearts of Giants fans.
The second half of his career has been brutal in terms of success and but in the grand scheme of things he did his job with pride and honor.
I felt that once we took Jones that high that Eli situation just did not make sense at all. It is absolutely clear that Eli was kept out of respect but things that transpired right after last year ended has led me to believe that Eli was lied to by DG.
Remember that Archie told the media that he would be happy with Eli's career if it ended after last year but that if he returned to the Giants things will need to change because Eli will not go through another bad year.
The Giants traded established good players and replaced them with unknown talent and worst of all took Jones at 6 instead of getting defensive help or another weapon for Eli.
Once Jones was selected the clock started for Eli and fans can say if he does this and that this year he should or might get an extension. This is supporters' jaded dreams as there is absolutely zero chance that happens because Jones was drafted at 6 to take the reigns.
Eli cannot be happy knowing that the team did not improve the team enough to contend and the defense which was brutal last year got young rookie talent but that does not happen in one year and you can expect a lot of struggles that Eli might play great and lose most games due to the defense.
To me, Eli has all the intentions of retiring after this year but he wanted 1 more year to build on his resume for the PFHOF. No way Eli stuck this year thinking the Giants were a SB contending team.
The Giants did not do enough to improve the team to the level of making the playoffs and used their most prized pick on a qb.
With every pick and loss and bad series, the boos will come and the crowd cheers will become louder for Jones. This is Jones team now even if Eli out of respect has been given a bone by the Giants when Eli deserves to play for a contender and try and rekindle the clutch Eli. But Eli to me has no intention of playing for another team and is just about establishing a good year that will add to his HOF resume to ensure it.
Endings for loved players is never good and easy. This won't end great for Eli in NY but at the end of the day Eli has already stamped his career for the Giants and nothing bad Eli does this year will ever tarnish that.
The Giants will be able to move the ball, certainly, the defense must gel, so it is doable.
If they start 0-7 again, Eli brought us some magical years, as the best QB of the NY Giants and leaves nearly a billionaire.....nothing sad about that.
I m neither an Eli apologist or fan boy, I m pleased he got to play out his contract, but no one really knows how much of the blame for the past two years goes on Eli.
Fact is he wasn’t good enough to win with this team, and we also don’t know if a younger more athletic quarterback would have made a difference.
We have a chance to find out this season if the latter is true.
Eli Manning is still a good quarterback. But another quarterback just might be better at this point in his career. I would like to see Eli succeed this year and then retire. But as with other star QBs it may not be a graceful transition.
The drivel has been going on since February of 2008.
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drivel like this is really sad and expected...
The drivel has been going on since February of 2008.
You sick fuck you just can't help yourself can you...?
On paper the OL has improved, we have a terrific RB, some decent WRs, and Engram looks to be a very productive TE.
Look, I know the EFC think it’s unfair that Jints Central haven’t provided Eli with Jerry Rice, Tony Gonzalez, Tim Brown, Larry Allen, Kevin Mawae, Alan Faneca, Anthony Munoz, Jackie Slater, Tim Rathman, and Walter Payton. And all at once. But, believe it or not, there are scores and scores of examples of great players - better than Eli - who never sniffed a Super Bowl. So can we put away the Kleenex and have a modicum of perspective.
Please?
The obsession with pushing the “DG is a liar” narrative is one of the weirder trends amongst some nitwit fans over the past offseason.
Why the fuck would he or anyone explain exactly what the Giants plans are, to Eli or the media or fans? Why would anyone want a GM who would telegraph our future QB plans before the draft?
Same with the OBJ trade - people actually acted offended he didn’t come out and publicly state “we’re tired of OBJ’s act and actively shopping him”.
Some fans are weird.
If the Giants have half a brain, they reached this conclusion as well and Eli's dead weight will be cut soon and the franchise will be free of that albatross. Finally.
I mean did you see that drive? Those Jet backups were stunned. They didn't know it, but they might as well have taken off their pads and helmets once Jones came in under center. Resistance was futile.
Myself, I booked a trip to Vegas when Fowler caught that pass so I could lock in the current odds for a big blue title this year. I have kids to think about
#collegefund
I like DJ and I think he will be good for us but this nonsense after one series in a preseason game is absolutely idiotic
Please stop with this “Against second team nonsense “.
Those were very accurate throws into small windows.
I understand you do not what Jones replacing Eli anytime soon, but try to be objective in your assessments
On paper the OL has improved, we have a terrific RB, some decent WRs, and Engram looks to be a very productive TE.
Look, I know the EFC think it’s unfair that Jints Central haven’t provided Eli with Jerry Rice, Tony Gonzalez, Tim Brown, Larry Allen, Kevin Mawae, Alan Faneca, Anthony Munoz, Jackie Slater, Tim Rathman, and Walter Payton. And all at once. But, believe it or not, there are scores and scores of examples of great players - better than Eli - who never sniffed a Super Bowl. So can we put away the Kleenex and have a modicum of perspective.
Please?
Jesus Christ. Shut the fuck up already.
...it ain't "sad."
There's nothing sad about this guy's career nor personal life from what the public can tell.
Wish him best of luck after his NFL days are over!
If you are somehow feeling bad for Eli, I don’t understand that. He was treated well by the Giants and the community and made a boat load of money. He will be in the Giants Ring of Fame and possibly the HoF. He has two SB rings and just as many SB MVPs.
What is it you think has made him an object of pity?
I got plenty of sad stories and this is not one of them.
I had a Charley Conerly fan button when I was a kid. I was sad to see YA bleeding in the end zone. That is to say, I've been a Giants fan (football) for a long time.
This is not a "Days of Our Lives" fan site. The Giants don't play on Lifetime. We don't set aside time on Sunday so we can watch Dance Moms. The Giants play in the freaking NFL! Management's job (at which job they have been performing poorly until recently) is to put the best team on the field, and to play the players who give the team the best chance to win.
Management's job is not Eli Manning's "feelings". Football players come and they go. Their careers end too soon ALL THE FRICKING TIME. Lifelong hopes get washed away after two weeks of a first training camp. THAT'S sad. I can feel bad for a kid who was the best in Pop Warner through a Division One school who goes home after the second preseason game.
Eli Manning has been playing lousy football for at least several years. And being very well paid for it. Yes, there are reasons. Yes, Tisch, Mara, and Jerry Reese could have given him a better cast of characters.
But, as they say, Willie Mays would have hit 660 with a broomstick.
Living in New England as I do, I especially appreciated the two SB wins. Eli Manning is the only QB to beat Brady TWICE on that big stage.
But the Eli Manning era has been over for years. This board has overflowed with comments about "How Eli FEELS about that". I personally don't care how he feels about it. I certainly don't care more than I cared about the end for YA Tittle, or Phil Simms, or Jeff Hostetler, or any other Giants QB.
I'm excited to see what Daniel Jones can do. Let's get on with it!
But this year is likely to fall somewhere between awkward and painful. Expect the media criticism and grains form the stands to continue
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drivel like this is really sad and expected...
The drivel has been going on since February of 2008.
You sick fuck you just can't help yourself can you...?
Sick fuck?
I don't really understand why you take criticisms of Eli so personally.
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A rookie QB did good against a second team D....Oh ny!
I like DJ and I think he will be good for us but this nonsense after one series in a preseason game is absolutely idiotic
Please stop with this “Against second team nonsense “.
Those were very accurate throws into small windows.
I understand you do not what Jones replacing Eli anytime soon, but try to be objective in your assessments
How is stating FACTS nonsense?
Explain that idiotic statement
Having a team hold on years too long never happens either.
The natural progression is aging hero finishes his career quietly with another team.
This is a business, things will work themselves out. Feeling sorry for Eli makes litle sense, IMO. First, QBs with stronger resumes than Eli's have finished their careers with other teams (e.g., Montana, Favre,). Second, Eli is 37 and they have to prepare for the future. Third, it is unlikely that they would want to draft a QB with such a high pick and want him to sit for more than a year. This would work against the possibility of an extension of more than one year. For example, for argument sake - let's say Eli has 3 years of high production left - no way you want a QB who could start sitting that long. So, at best, Eli plays lights out - 1 year extension is most realistic and beneficial option for Giants. On the other hand, for argument sake - Eli has 3 quality years left. Why would he want to use one for an extansion when he could leave at the end of this year for a longer contract somewhere else? This thing is going to work itself out. Personally, I think Eli has some ballin left. Second, I think Jones will be a good QB if given time to develop. But, I do not think 6 plays in a limited situation is compelling evidence to talk about benching Eli.
Bottom line, Eli has led GMen to 2 Lombardis. He may have gotten more with better personnel decisions by the front office (and Burress not shooting himself). He is beng paid a king's ransom to play a kid's game that he loves. Eli is going to thrive after he leaves the game. We should all have such bad luck.
I m neither an Eli apologist or fan boy, I m pleased he got to play out his contract, but no one really knows how much of the blame for the past two years goes on Eli.
Fact is he wasn’t good enough to win with this team, and we also don’t know if a younger more athletic quarterback would have made a difference.
We have a chance to find out this season if the latter is true.
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drivel like this is really sad and expected...
The drivel has been going on since February of 2008.
You sick fuck you just can't help yourself can you...?
Sick fuck?
I don't really understand why you take criticisms of Eli so personally.
arca the sick fuck comment has nothing to do with criticisms of Eli it has to do with this guy following me around whenever I post something...
I'm comfortable seeing what he can do this year. The caveat is he has no room for error this year. 2 or 3 losses in the first few weeks and I think it is fair to move to Jones. However, a good start and a Giants team in contention and it is fair to stick with Eli. Regardless of the results on the field this year, it is also fair to say right now it is his final year. If he is amazing and they win the SB, it would not be realistic to expect that level of success to be sustained. They absolutely should not consider re-signing him under any circumstances. Win or lose this year, next year should be all Jones.
Is that supposed to be bad? Did he lie? Is he supposed to tell the truth to players or did he say nothing?
Is the supposition that a DG lie threw Eli into a tizzy or hurt his feelings, and if so, does that look poorly upon DG or Eli for having tissue paper for emotions?
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drivel like this is really sad and expected...
The drivel has been going on since February of 2008.
You sick fuck you just can't help yourself can you...?
My my! Somebody needs his binkie.
Can you remind us all again how you somehow interpreted Greg Cosell mentioning that Eli and Brady are both immobile pocket passers into them being exactly the same QB in general and then actually cut up and rearranged the transcript to try to prove it?
Is that supposed to be bad? Did he lie? Is he supposed to tell the truth to players or did he say nothing?
Is the supposition that a DG lie threw Eli into a tizzy or hurt his feelings, and if so, does that look poorly upon DG or Eli for having tissue paper for emotions?
This drives me absolutely nuts. There are so many people here that take everything that comes out of players, coaches, front office at face. Fans act like they are owed the truth. The problem is that the truth is fucking ugly and would cause issues in the media and the fan base. Eli's play and the evaluation of DJ will determine who plays, irregardless if we are winning games or not unless we are significantly above .500.
They can talk about the KC model sure, but that team was annually in the playoffs and was 10-6 with a QB that threw for 8.0 YPA and a 5-1 TD/INT ratio. Does anyone see Eli putting that type of performance up or the Giants being that good?
I m neither an Eli apologist or fan boy, I m pleased he got to play out his contract, but no one really knows how much of the blame for the past two years goes on Eli.
Fact is he wasn’t good enough to win with this team, and we also don’t know if a younger more athletic quarterback would have made a difference.
We have a chance to find out this season if the latter is true.
Eli is not Peyton where he can take a 3-13 Dear Leader Bill Polian dynasty built roster and go 13-3.
He's closer to other mortals like Warner, surround him with HoF WRs and look great, surround him with garbage and looks terrible.
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drivel like this is really sad and expected...
The drivel has been going on since February of 2008.
You sick fuck you just can't help yourself can you...?
My my! Somebody needs his binkie.
Can you remind us all again how you somehow interpreted Greg Cosell mentioning that Eli and Brady are both immobile pocket passers into them being exactly the same QB in general and then actually cut up and rearranged the transcript to try to prove it?
You are one crazy fucker... do you make this shit up while sitting in your Mom's basement...?
I swear you must be David in La's dupe same delusional condescending rants...
Over and out...
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In comment 14525605 JCin332 said:
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drivel like this is really sad and expected...
The drivel has been going on since February of 2008.
You sick fuck you just can't help yourself can you...?
My my! Somebody needs his binkie.
Can you remind us all again how you somehow interpreted Greg Cosell mentioning that Eli and Brady are both immobile pocket passers into them being exactly the same QB in general and then actually cut up and rearranged the transcript to try to prove it?
You are one crazy fucker... do you make this shit up while sitting in your Mom's basement...?
I swear you must be David in La's dupe same delusional condescending rants...
Over and out...
Do I make this up? No.
Here you go - a quick refresher to when I pointed out your fiction a year and a half ago. Do you want me to go find the thread where you then rearranged the transcript of what Cosell said to try to prove your misinterpretation?
Actually, maybe "over and out" is in your best interest.
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