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Best prospect ever?

BestFeature : 8/10/2019 1:26 am
I don't follow college football but was watching Trevor Lawrence highlights just now with my jaw dropped. The stuff I read about him and he still didn't disappoint and almost exceeded my expectations. Who would you say was the best prospect ever at the time of the draft regardless of how he ended up in the NFL. Bonus question, how does Lawrence compare to him?
These come to mind  
Reale01 : 8/10/2019 1:41 am : link
Not in any order
Peyton Manning
LT
Clowney
Megatron
Joe Namath
Andrew Luck
Paul Horning
Bubba Smith
OJ Simpson
John Elway
Bo Jackson
Tommy Nobis
Eric Flowers
lol at Flowers  
ChaChing : 8/10/2019 1:48 am : link
more seriously was gonna say "touched by the hand of God" Barkley, but would agree he has a ways to go to prove that, even if it still looks like a really, really safe bet
RE: lol at Flowers  
BestFeature : 8/10/2019 1:50 am : link
In comment 14525582 ChaChing said:
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more seriously was gonna say "touched by the hand of God" Barkley, but would agree he has a ways to go to prove that, even if it still looks like a really, really safe bet


He doesn't. As I said, "regardless of how they did in the NFL". I meant at the time of the draft.
Before my time but John Elway seems like a good answer  
BestFeature : 8/10/2019 1:50 am : link
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Barkley is a good answer  
Reale01 : 8/10/2019 1:54 am : link
Everyone on this list was a consensus #1 pick. LT was picked 2nd but everyone said he was the best player in the draft that year (Thank God for the Saints). I guess you COULD say that about SB ... maybe.
RE: RE: lol at Flowers  
ChaChing : 8/10/2019 1:58 am : link
In comment 14525583 BestFeature said:
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In comment 14525582 ChaChing said:
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more seriously was gonna say "touched by the hand of God" Barkley, but would agree he has a ways to go to prove that, even if it still looks like a really, really safe bet


He doesn't. As I said, "regardless of how they did in the NFL". I meant at the time of the draft.

Not a huge deal, but the fact I'm saying we should wait on Barkley given the time frame pretty much made that point...
I’d say Barkley  
GoDeep13 : 8/10/2019 2:09 am : link
But Reggie Bush is also very arguable.

Barkley was considered the best prospect in a class with 4 considered franchise QBs. And he’s been highly touted since his first snap in college.
Actually just playing devils advocate  
ChaChing : 8/10/2019 2:29 am : link
Ryan Leaf HAS to be on this list, no?

There's an almost 0% chance Peyton wouldn't be on anyone's best prospect list, so given it was a legit debate at the time AND he went 2nd in the end...
Gettleman said when he drafted Barkley  
David B. : 8/10/2019 3:42 am : link
In all the years he's been doing this, only TWO prospects ever got a grade of 9 (the highest in his system), for both ON the field talent and OFF the field character -- Payton Manning, and Saquon Barkley.

I had also read somewhere else that Elway was the highest graded prospect ever.

If Saquon can have that type of HOF career, I think we'd all take that.
Julius Peppers  
santacruzom : 8/10/2019 4:17 am : link
Had everyone absolutely salivating.
Isnt Trevor Lawrence a sophmore?  
George from PA : 8/10/2019 4:47 am : link
Played one year with the best players in college football.

He will be very good propect but he will have a hard time topping John Elway or Peyton Manning as a prospect..as they carried their teams on their back.

Clemson will 15 players drafted.....he will face Haskins issue....too good a supporting cast takes some of the luster away.....and have zero margin of error.
RE: Isnt Trevor Lawrence a sophmore?  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 8/10/2019 6:38 am : link
In comment 14525603 George from PA said:
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Played one year with the best players in college football.

He will be very good propect but he will have a hard time topping John Elway or Peyton Manning as a prospect..as they carried their teams on their back.

Clemson will 15 players drafted.....he will face Haskins issue....too good a supporting cast takes some of the luster away.....and have zero margin of error.


He's a sophomore now; he was a freshman in that one year at Clemson. He will not be draft eligible in the next draft.
In last twenty years  
bhill410 : 8/10/2019 6:43 am : link
He is going to be on level that only Manning and Luck were on. Skill players get hyped like Bush and Calvin Johnson but no one hits the level of qbs.

Part of me doesn’t mind Jones play because if he really struggles next year we may be in position for Lawrence.
If Lawrence could have entered the draft...  
bw in dc : 8/10/2019 7:08 am : link
after his senior year in high school I’m convinced he goes in the top five. He’s that gifted. And the NFL loves to project at the QB position.

Manadarich was considered a huge can’t miss. So much so he was put on the cover of SI. John Madden put him on his All Madden team while he was still at Michigan State.

Luck. Easily.

Tony Boselli should have been the #1 pick in the 1995 NFL draft over Ki Jana Carter. He was an absolute beast at USC. A great LT prospect. A killer.

Clowney was one of the most recruited  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/10/2019 7:22 am : link
Players of all time as was Marcus Dupree.

Marcus Dupree left Oklahoma early and played in the USFL and got hurt and that was about it.
Herschel Walker...  
bw in dc : 8/10/2019 7:31 am : link
was a stud too.

Another freak who likely goes #1 in the draft after his fresh year at Georgia.
Jim Brown and O J Simpson  
Ira : 8/10/2019 8:25 am : link
Analytics hadn't been born yet.
There is no doubt Lawrence is an incredible talent  
Mike from Ohio : 8/10/2019 8:53 am : link
But I wonder what toll all of these expectations are going to take on him in the next two years? While many of the other names in this thread had expectations placed on them early, most did not have it in this kind of media environment. Barkley did to an extent, but it is different for a RB. Less to dissect.

Some in the media will want to tear into him just to draw clicks. At some point it will probably become fashionable for some scouts to go against the majority and poke holes in his game. I just wonder how he will be viewed when he actually comes out in a couple of years.
Brian Bosworth  
RobCrossRiver56 : 8/10/2019 9:19 am : link
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What's a little funny to me  
jhibb : 8/10/2019 9:39 am : link
is that a year ago, Tua Tagovailoa was being talked about as the greatest QB prospect in x number of years. Now he's basically an afterthought relative to this kid.
Saquon  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/10/2019 11:25 am : link
Elway and Luck are the only flawless prospects I can think of without going for a ride in the Wayback Machine.

Not sure if there were any knocks on Revis, didn't perform at the combines is kind of a knock.
Oh yeah  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/10/2019 11:27 am : link
Forgot Megatron. Even Matt Millen couldn't get that wrong.
RE: In last twenty years  
BestFeature : 8/10/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14525609 bhill410 said:
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He is going to be on level that only Manning and Luck were on. Skill players get hyped like Bush and Calvin Johnson but no one hits the level of qbs.

Part of me doesn’t mind Jones play because if he really struggles next year we may be in position for Lawrence.


The Giants could go 2-14 the season Lawrence comes out and get beat out by a team that went 1-15. It's luck.
Peyton  
PaulN : 8/10/2019 11:42 am : link
Had plenty of doubters, I was a huge fan, Elway and Luck are givens. OJ, was huge, Barkley, Sayers was huge, Jim Brown and Ernie Davis. Randy Moss was off the charts, Jim Plunkett and Jeff George were huge. LT and Butcus, Hornung was huge, Gifford too.
RE: Barkley is a good answer  
81_Great_Dane : 8/10/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14525589 Reale01 said:
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Everyone on this list was a consensus #1 pick. LT was picked 2nd but everyone said he was the best player in the draft that year (Thank God for the Saints). I guess you COULD say that about SB ... maybe.
I remember when LT was drafted and I don't recall everyone saying he was the best player in the draft. George Rogers wasn't a controversial pick at #1, either.

I have confessed on this board that I didn't really like the LT pick because he already had a reputation for being sort of a difficult personality, or something like that, and the Giants hadn't done well with those guys. I was thinking of Fred Dryer and some of the other guys who flourished elsewhere after leaving the Giants.
RE: RE: Isnt Trevor Lawrence a sophmore?  
FStubbs : 8/10/2019 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14525607 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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In comment 14525603 George from PA said:


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Played one year with the best players in college football.

He will be very good propect but he will have a hard time topping John Elway or Peyton Manning as a prospect..as they carried their teams on their back.

Clemson will 15 players drafted.....he will face Haskins issue....too good a supporting cast takes some of the luster away.....and have zero margin of error.



He's a sophomore now; he was a freshman in that one year at Clemson. He will not be draft eligible in the next draft.


You know, it's going to make the 2020 season very interesting for Lawrence, especially if he (most likely) lights it up again, and even more so if he wins another title. Namely ... should he sit out 2021? He would've been the consensus #1 in this draft and likely would go over Tua, Fromm, and Herbert this draft. What's he have left to play for in college?
RE: RE: RE: Isnt Trevor Lawrence a sophmore?  
FStubbs : 8/10/2019 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14526250 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14525607 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:


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In comment 14525603 George from PA said:


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Played one year with the best players in college football.

He will be very good propect but he will have a hard time topping John Elway or Peyton Manning as a prospect..as they carried their teams on their back.

Clemson will 15 players drafted.....he will face Haskins issue....too good a supporting cast takes some of the luster away.....and have zero margin of error.



He's a sophomore now; he was a freshman in that one year at Clemson. He will not be draft eligible in the next draft.



You know, it's going to make the 2020 season very interesting for Lawrence, especially if he (most likely) lights it up again, and even more so if he wins another title. Namely ... should he sit out 2021? He would've been the consensus #1 in this draft and likely would go over Tua, Fromm, and Herbert this draft. What's he have left to play for in college?


Sorry, I meant sit out 2020.
Some I haven't seen mentioned  
Strahan91 : 8/10/2019 6:00 pm : link
- Michael Vick
- Adrian Peterson
- Orlando Pace
- I believe Parcells once said Billy Sims was the the highest graded prospect he's ever scouted
RE: Some I haven't seen mentioned  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/10/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14526273 Strahan91 said:
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- Michael Vick
- Adrian Peterson
- Orlando Pace
- I believe Parcells once said Billy Sims was the the highest graded prospect he's ever scouted


I was planning to say people forget how dominant Billy Sills was, and he had every tool in the chest for a great RB. And he was great at the NFL level too till his knee blew out.
Ricky Williams  
Motley Two : 8/10/2019 9:26 pm : link
Quite a few USC running backs
Elway
Peyton
Jeff George
Mandarich


Elway and Luck.  
madgiantscow009 : 8/10/2019 11:09 pm : link
nothing new here.
In my lifetime, it’s Elway.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/10/2019 11:28 pm : link
In that historic 1983 draft class, the other QBs were sort of lumped together. Marino was a standout talent, but the off-field concerns were real and he fell all the way to #27, behind Blackledge, Kelly, Eason and O’Brien.

There was never any question who would be #1, despite Elway’s threats to play baseball if the Colts picked him. Those were the days before the Draft was a media sensation, and the hype around Elway remains nearly unmatched.
Andrew Luck  
AcesUp : 8/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
Been following college football and the draft since the late 90s and he was basically a sure thing at QB. He's currently hitting his floor right now because of the franchise he was drafted into and injuries.

Non-QB I would say Orlando Pace. Not that I was following line play as a 12 year old but he had prototype size and measurables while being a f'n Heisman candidate at OL in college.
RE: Andrew Luck  
BestFeature : 8/11/2019 12:10 am : link
In comment 14526521 AcesUp said:
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Been following college football and the draft since the late 90s and he was basically a sure thing at QB. He's currently hitting his floor right now because of the franchise he was drafted into and injuries.

Non-QB I would say Orlando Pace. Not that I was following line play as a 12 year old but he had prototype size and measurables while being a f'n Heisman candidate at OL in college.


Yeah, I've always wondered if Luck was a bit of a disappointment. It was a REALLY hard act to follow though.
As for the comparison to Trevor Lawrence...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/11/2019 12:33 am : link
... one big difference is that those Stanford teams, under Paul Wiggin, were profoundly mediocre. So Elway has to carry the team, but on the other hand he wasn’t really battle-tested in big games.

Physically, I doubt Lawrence’s arm and overall frame are as strong as Elway’s. Lawrence is still filling out, and Elway was a real specimen.
One not named was Ki-Jana carter  
Torrag : 8/11/2019 5:44 am : link
I thought he was a special prospect. That was one of the saddest injury situations ever. Tore up his knee bad in his first pre season game was never the same player. Rare for a RB to go #1 overall but imo he deserved it.
Say it again. Leaf...Ryan Leaf  
ChaChing : 8/11/2019 6:09 am : link
Picked BEFORE one of if not the greatest QB ever
Suh  
CMicks3110 : 8/11/2019 6:17 am : link
was up theere
RE: Ricky Williams  
mfsd : 8/11/2019 7:05 am : link
In comment 14526458 Motley Two said:
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Quite a few USC running backs
Elway
Peyton
Jeff George
Mandarich



Good call on Mandarich. Dubbed the greatest OL prospect ever by some
RE: In my lifetime, it’s Elway.  
BigBlueShock : 8/11/2019 7:29 am : link
In comment 14526518 Big Blue Blogger said:
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In that historic 1983 draft class, the other QBs were sort of lumped together. Marino was a standout talent, but the off-field concerns were real and he fell all the way to #27, behind Blackledge, Kelly, Eason and O’Brien.

There was never any question who would be #1, despite Elway’s threats to play baseball if the Colts picked him. Those were the days before the Draft was a media sensation, and the hype around Elway remains nearly unmatched.

This. Even in an era before all the media scrutiny, there was more hype around Elway than any other prospect. Ever. The threat to play baseball and playing for the Yankees instead of playing football only added to the spectacle. The talk of Elway was EVERYWHERE at the time. His skill set was something not many had ever seen before. And not many have seen since. A true generational talent that everyone in the world knew would be great.
Marcus Dupree and Bo Jackson  
JohnB : 8/11/2019 8:52 pm : link
stick out as the best ever.
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