I thought it was worth it's own thread. I love Baldy's breakdowns. This is NFL's youtube channel and combines Baldy's breakdown of Jones, Haskins, and Murray.
Side question: I've seen and read a lot of reviews on the 3 QBs first pre-season game. Most feel the need to remind people that Jones went up against the Jets 2nd team defense. Did Haskins and/or Murray go up against 1st team defenses? I thought Haskins' 2 picks were also against 2nd or even 3rd team defenses?
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I think Murray will take a real beating and will be pretty ineffective by the end of the season. This isn’t Baker Mayfield. Also, Haskins may prove to be a bust, maybe not by the end of this season, and Locke will move ahead of him.
They were - but that's really not grounds for declaring someone a bust.
Remember the terrible cross-field pass Darnold attempted against the Lions in Week 1 last year that went back the other way?
How many terrible throws did we see Eli make early in his career?
After Goff's entire first season, no one was sold on him based on the games he started.
I hope Haskins absolutely sucks ass now that he's in DC; but I think we're reaching just a little bit here.
And I was saying this back in January. He has every *bust* red flag there is.
*1hit wonder
*Stacked college team running college offense
*horrible personality/attitude
*and now, the horrible throws
He reeks of bust about as bad as any 1st round QB could.
Oh he can slide? You’re right - damn good player! Unreal.
And I was saying this back in January. He has every *bust* red flag there is.
*1hit wonder
*Stacked college team running college offense
*horrible personality/attitude
*and now, the horrible throws
He reeks of bust about as bad as any 1st round QB could.
There's a lot of hyperbole in here...
He may wind up being a bust; there's just no possible way to know this now and I think "horrible" personality is probably going a little overboard. He rubbed me the wrong way on draft night and around draft time - but I don't think he's a horrible guy. I save that for truly horrible people that pass through this league.
The horrible throws are going to happen. You'll see them from Jones, too. It doesn't mean he's going to be a bust.
You could just as easily come up with a skewed list of reasons as to why Jones will bust. It doesn't mean he will.
I hope Haskins is awful. I'm just not going to jump to conclusions based on the tiniest of sample sizes and it being his first live action.
It doesn't mean much of anything.
What you don’t want see if you’re the Redskins is his helmet bouncing off the turf, diving head first on runs and not throwing the ball away on obvious sacks as shown in those clips.
And it’s okay to be a Giant fan and not want another team’s player to fail miserably...
I think Murray will take a real beating and will be pretty ineffective by the end of the season. This isn’t Baker Mayfield. Also, Haskins may prove to be a bust, maybe not by the end of this season, and Locke will move ahead of him.
If you've really watched Murray play you'd know he rarely takes a hit. His speed and smarts keep him away from big guys and he know when to get down to avoid contact.
I was aware of that thread that specified Jones only on Twitter. Also aware someone wondered what his breakdown was of Haskins and another poster posted a link to that. Both of those links were within Twitter. I posted a combined youtube video of all three QBs, from youtube instead of Twitter, by nfl.com. As I said I thought it was worth it's own thread.
I'm interested in how these three will compare against each other at the NFL level and this is our first real look. The comparisons could be made between these three for a long time to come. I seriously doubt it will be as great as the Eli, Roethlisberger, and Rivers comparisons but still worth the discussion.
It's a more interesting discussion to me than the other one I shall not mention that finds it's way into every thread.
I think it's worth mentioning that Jones wasn't exactly throwing to OBJ out there. One did go to Tate but the other receivers are fighting for roster spots. Both Haskins and Jones seemed to have received the opposite treatment to what they had in college. Jones had some time in the pocket and his receivers actually caught the throws. Haskins didn't have as much time in the pocket as he's use to and his receivers were not wide open all over the field.
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according to their draft order. I expect them to be ranked about the same before Game 1. What will mostly change the rankings may be how well Murray holds up physically.
I think Murray will take a real beating and will be pretty ineffective by the end of the season. This isn’t Baker Mayfield. Also, Haskins may prove to be a bust, maybe not by the end of this season, and Locke will move ahead of him.
If you've really watched Murray play you'd know he rarely takes a hit. His speed and smarts keep him away from big guys and he know when to get down to avoid contact.
He already got squished in the preseason game.
Even Newton is breaking down. Wilson is a sparkplug and an outlier.
He's getting the experience he needs out there.
It didn't help that the Redskins had zero starters on the field the whole game vs Browns starters for at least a Qtr.
Did he struggle? Absolutely
But he showed some nice things out there, that were questioned. For example, he was much quicker than advertised.
It's going to take him some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL, no doubt.
Let's see how he improves over these next few preseason games, before writing him off.
Let's also see what he can do, with actual 1st stringers out on the field, too.
Not 2nd, 3rd & camp fodders.
I'm excited for the young kid. Growing pains are part of learning.
P. Manning threw 20 picks his rookie season. He turned out ok...😎
He already got squished in the preseason game.
Even Newton is breaking down. Wilson is a sparkplug and an outlier.
Newton was a physical runner and run over guys. Wilson is an outlier because he is a tremendous athlete and doesn't take hits. Kyler Murray never got hit in the preseason game, he actually got down right away when his LT got beat off the snap.
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is likely to be a darn good player for the Redskins. A minor point from that video is that he already knows how to slide after a run properly. I hope Daniel Jones has that skill from the get go to preserve his body as it did not appear to come naturally to Eli.
Oh he can slide? You’re right - damn good player! Unreal.
Doesn't Baldinger argue that one of them was the result of an incredibly lazy pick attempt by a receiver?
Still though, I've always though the better QBs recognize when something doesn't go according to plan down field and elect not to make a planned throw as a result.
I'll add another *bust* red flag:
*Weight issues (fat) - couldn't even get through his Pro Day workout without sucking wind
This ain't no elite QB prospect.
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is likely to be a darn good player for the Redskins. A minor point from that video is that he already knows how to slide after a run properly. I hope Daniel Jones has that skill from the get go to preserve his body as it did not appear to come naturally to Eli.
Oh he can slide? You’re right - damn good player! Unreal.
Ep - I didn't miss it. I didn't miss the "likely to be a damn good player" part either. I tied it into that. I don't see it. I think based on the red flags he's likely to be a bust.
Want another red flag?
*Nobody in the Redskins front office wanted to draft him there. Snyder picked him.
Add it all up - then watch the way his first performance went. Didn't say he WAS a bust yet. Just said he reeked of one.
The jets were without every player on their roster. They merely fielded a bunch of cardboard cut outs and even one of those should have had 2 picks against jones. Pay 5-5 no mind.
Very disappointed.
By the way, and argument could be made they were the best quarterbacks in Giants history, Simms and Eli
Haskins played against 2nd and 3rd teamers.
Not to mention, the Giants played with a number of second teamers. Shep, Barkley, and Engram didn't play.
But none of this means anything other than some "analysts" have an Agenda.
He's getting the experience he needs out there.
It didn't help that the Redskins had zero starters on the field the whole game vs Browns starters for at least a Qtr.
Did he struggle? Absolutely
But he showed some nice things out there, that were questioned. For example, he was much quicker than advertised.
It's going to take him some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL, no doubt.
Let's see how he improves over these next few preseason games, before writing him off.
Let's also see what he can do, with actual 1st stringers out on the field, too.
Not 2nd, 3rd & camp fodders.
I'm excited for the young kid. Growing pains are part of learning.
P. Manning threw 20 picks his rookie season. He turned out ok...😎
I’m sure he will feel better once the skins get a 1st round pick for Trent Williams!