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Baldinger breaks down the 3 QBs. 1 combined youtube video.

USAF NYG Fan : 8/10/2019 6:13 am

I thought it was worth it's own thread. I love Baldy's breakdowns. This is NFL's youtube channel and combines Baldy's breakdown of Jones, Haskins, and Murray.

Side question: I've seen and read a lot of reviews on the 3 QBs first pre-season game. Most feel the need to remind people that Jones went up against the Jets 2nd team defense. Did Haskins and/or Murray go up against 1st team defenses? I thought Haskins' 2 picks were also against 2nd or even 3rd team defenses?

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Big Blue '56 : 8/10/2019 6:43 am : link
Posted yesterday
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Mack Wilson and Greedy Williams had the interceptions.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/10/2019 6:44 am : link
Both rookies are currently second-string on Clevelandís depth chart
The Jets had a few starters mixed in  
Canton : 8/10/2019 7:21 am : link
with the second teamers.
Haskins  
mittenedman : 8/10/2019 8:43 am : link
reeks of a bust. Those 2 INTs were terrible throws.
Murray  
jestersdead : 8/10/2019 8:47 am : link
started the game for the Cardinals, so you can assume he played against a majority of starters for the Chargers. Based on when Haskins entered the game, it suggests that he played against the 2nd stringers
Everyone wants to rank them. Right now, I would think they are ranked  
Ivan15 : 8/10/2019 9:09 am : link
according to their draft order. I expect them to be ranked about the same before Game 1. What will mostly change the rankings may be how well Murray holds up physically.

I think Murray will take a real beating and will be pretty ineffective by the end of the season. This isnít Baker Mayfield. Also, Haskins may prove to be a bust, maybe not by the end of this season, and Locke will move ahead of him.
RE: Haskins  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14525657 mittenedman said:
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reeks of a bust. Those 2 INTs were terrible throws.


They were - but that's really not grounds for declaring someone a bust.

Remember the terrible cross-field pass Darnold attempted against the Lions in Week 1 last year that went back the other way?

How many terrible throws did we see Eli make early in his career?

After Goff's entire first season, no one was sold on him based on the games he started.

I hope Haskins absolutely sucks ass now that he's in DC; but I think we're reaching just a little bit here.
Haskins  
ep in md : 8/10/2019 9:47 am : link
is likely to be a darn good player for the Redskins. A minor point from that video is that he already knows how to slide after a run properly. I hope Daniel Jones has that skill from the get go to preserve his body as it did not appear to come naturally to Eli.
arc itís not JUST those 2 INTs  
mittenedman : 8/10/2019 9:51 am : link
Everything about the guy reeks of bust.

And I was saying this back in January. He has every *bust* red flag there is.

*1hit wonder
*Stacked college team running college offense
*horrible personality/attitude
*and now, the horrible throws

He reeks of bust about as bad as any 1st round QB could.
RE: Haskins  
mittenedman : 8/10/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14525733 ep in md said:
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is likely to be a darn good player for the Redskins. A minor point from that video is that he already knows how to slide after a run properly. I hope Daniel Jones has that skill from the get go to preserve his body as it did not appear to come naturally to Eli.


Oh he can slide? Youíre right - damn good player! Unreal.
RE: arc itís not JUST those 2 INTs  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14525736 mittenedman said:
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Everything about the guy reeks of bust.

And I was saying this back in January. He has every *bust* red flag there is.

*1hit wonder
*Stacked college team running college offense
*horrible personality/attitude
*and now, the horrible throws

He reeks of bust about as bad as any 1st round QB could.


There's a lot of hyperbole in here...

He may wind up being a bust; there's just no possible way to know this now and I think "horrible" personality is probably going a little overboard. He rubbed me the wrong way on draft night and around draft time - but I don't think he's a horrible guy. I save that for truly horrible people that pass through this league.

The horrible throws are going to happen. You'll see them from Jones, too. It doesn't mean he's going to be a bust.

You could just as easily come up with a skewed list of reasons as to why Jones will bust. It doesn't mean he will.

I hope Haskins is awful. I'm just not going to jump to conclusions based on the tiniest of sample sizes and it being his first live action.
Besides the 2 INTs from Haskins.  
90.Cal : 8/10/2019 10:01 am : link
He had a 3rd pass before both of those that should have easily been an INT. He tried to fit it deep between the corner and safety down the left sideline. Safety made an awful play. Should have been the easiest of the INTs he threw.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2019 10:02 am : link
FWIW, I didn't even see any of the Redskins/Browns game - so I have no actual opinion on how Haskins performed. Just observing that he'd be next in a very, very long list of rookie QB's who struggled in their first live action.

It doesn't mean much of anything.
Haskins showed some pretty good things to go along  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2019 10:06 am : link
with some bad. But thats what rookie QB progression will be like...got to go thru the learning curves by making the mistakes and then begin limiting them with more and more snaps.

What you donít want see if youíre the Redskins is his helmet bouncing off the turf, diving head first on runs and not throwing the ball away on obvious sacks as shown in those clips.

And itís okay to be a Giant fan and not want another teamís player to fail miserably...

RE: Everyone wants to rank them. Right now, I would think they are ranked  
BillT : 8/10/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14525680 Ivan15 said:
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according to their draft order. I expect them to be ranked about the same before Game 1. What will mostly change the rankings may be how well Murray holds up physically.

I think Murray will take a real beating and will be pretty ineffective by the end of the season. This isnít Baker Mayfield. Also, Haskins may prove to be a bust, maybe not by the end of this season, and Locke will move ahead of him.

If you've really watched Murray play you'd know he rarely takes a hit. His speed and smarts keep him away from big guys and he know when to get down to avoid contact.
Can we also mention  
ShockNRoll : 8/10/2019 10:40 am : link
That Daniel didn't have his top 3 offensive weapons? Not quite sure why this is so easily overlooked.
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USAF NYG Fan : 8/10/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14525608 Big Blue '56 said:
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I was aware of that thread that specified Jones only on Twitter. Also aware someone wondered what his breakdown was of Haskins and another poster posted a link to that. Both of those links were within Twitter. I posted a combined youtube video of all three QBs, from youtube instead of Twitter, by nfl.com. As I said I thought it was worth it's own thread.

I'm interested in how these three will compare against each other at the NFL level and this is our first real look. The comparisons could be made between these three for a long time to come. I seriously doubt it will be as great as the Eli, Roethlisberger, and Rivers comparisons but still worth the discussion.

It's a more interesting discussion to me than the other one I shall not mention that finds it's way into every thread.

I think it's worth mentioning that Jones wasn't exactly throwing to OBJ out there. One did go to Tate but the other receivers are fighting for roster spots. Both Haskins and Jones seemed to have received the opposite treatment to what they had in college. Jones had some time in the pocket and his receivers actually caught the throws. Haskins didn't have as much time in the pocket as he's use to and his receivers were not wide open all over the field.
RE: RE: Everyone wants to rank them. Right now, I would think they are ranked  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/10/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14525778 BillT said:
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according to their draft order. I expect them to be ranked about the same before Game 1. What will mostly change the rankings may be how well Murray holds up physically.

I think Murray will take a real beating and will be pretty ineffective by the end of the season. This isnít Baker Mayfield. Also, Haskins may prove to be a bust, maybe not by the end of this season, and Locke will move ahead of him.


If you've really watched Murray play you'd know he rarely takes a hit. His speed and smarts keep him away from big guys and he know when to get down to avoid contact.

He already got squished in the preseason game.

Even Newton is breaking down. Wilson is a sparkplug and an outlier.
You guys already declaring  
aceinthehouse : 8/10/2019 11:19 am : link
Haskins a bust? Lol

He's getting the experience he needs out there.

It didn't help that the Redskins had zero starters on the field the whole game vs Browns starters for at least a Qtr.

Did he struggle? Absolutely
But he showed some nice things out there, that were questioned. For example, he was much quicker than advertised.

It's going to take him some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL, no doubt.

Let's see how he improves over these next few preseason games, before writing him off.

Let's also see what he can do, with actual 1st stringers out on the field, too.

Not 2nd, 3rd & camp fodders.

I'm excited for the young kid. Growing pains are part of learning.

P. Manning threw 20 picks his rookie season. He turned out ok...😎
People need stop comparing QB that came out 15 plus years ago  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/10/2019 11:23 am : link
The game has changed since 2006 on and QB development is much more advance beginning at the high school level. It used to be you couldn't get a real evaluation until year 5, now it is more like year 3 the latest. Haskins is a guy that will probably need the full 3 though as he was a one year starter in college. Guy needs reps.
RE: RE: RE: Everyone wants to rank them. Right now, I would think they are ranked  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/10/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14525829 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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He already got squished in the preseason game.

Even Newton is breaking down. Wilson is a sparkplug and an outlier.


Newton was a physical runner and run over guys. Wilson is an outlier because he is a tremendous athlete and doesn't take hits. Kyler Murray never got hit in the preseason game, he actually got down right away when his LT got beat off the snap.
RE: RE: Haskins  
ep in md : 8/10/2019 1:21 pm : link
Guess you missed the "minor" point label.

In comment 14525739 mittenedman said:
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In comment 14525733 ep in md said:


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is likely to be a darn good player for the Redskins. A minor point from that video is that he already knows how to slide after a run properly. I hope Daniel Jones has that skill from the get go to preserve his body as it did not appear to come naturally to Eli.



Oh he can slide? Youíre right - damn good player! Unreal.
RE: Haskins  
santacruzom : 8/10/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14525657 mittenedman said:
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reeks of a bust. Those 2 INTs were terrible throws.


Doesn't Baldinger argue that one of them was the result of an incredibly lazy pick attempt by a receiver?

Still though, I've always though the better QBs recognize when something doesn't go according to plan down field and elect not to make a planned throw as a result.
santacruz  
mittenedman : 8/10/2019 1:37 pm : link
They were both just incredibly sloppy & inaccurate throws.

I'll add another *bust* red flag:

*Weight issues (fat) - couldn't even get through his Pro Day workout without sucking wind

This ain't no elite QB prospect.
RE: RE: RE: Haskins  
mittenedman : 8/10/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14526032 ep in md said:
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Guess you missed the "minor" point label.

In comment 14525739 mittenedman said:


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In comment 14525733 ep in md said:


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is likely to be a darn good player for the Redskins. A minor point from that video is that he already knows how to slide after a run properly. I hope Daniel Jones has that skill from the get go to preserve his body as it did not appear to come naturally to Eli.



Oh he can slide? Youíre right - damn good player! Unreal.



Ep - I didn't miss it. I didn't miss the "likely to be a damn good player" part either. I tied it into that. I don't see it. I think based on the red flags he's likely to be a bust.

Want another red flag?

*Nobody in the Redskins front office wanted to draft him there. Snyder picked him.

Add it all up - then watch the way his first performance went. Didn't say he WAS a bust yet. Just said he reeked of one.
RE: Can we also mention  
djm : 8/10/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14525816 ShockNRoll said:
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That Daniel didn't have his top 3 offensive weapons? Not quite sure why this is so easily overlooked.


The jets were without every player on their roster. They merely fielded a bunch of cardboard cut outs and even one of those should have had 2 picks against jones. Pay 5-5 no mind.
When the OP wrote "breaks down the 3 QBs",  
81_Great_Dane : 8/10/2019 3:13 pm : link
I thought I'd be watching a video about Jones, Tanney and Lauletta.

Very disappointed.
RE: Can we also mention  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/10/2019 4:02 pm : link
ShockNRoll said:
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That Daniel didn't have his top 3 offensive weapons? Not quite sure why this is so easily overlooked.
Jones is the backup quarterback. Even if Barkley, Engram, and Shepard were all playing, they would probably exit a preseason game around the same time as Manning. I agree that too much is made of Jones facing the Jetsí backups; but the natural flip side is that he will mostly play with our backups, until he claims the top job.
Are people seriously evaluating and making  
joeinpa : 8/10/2019 5:37 pm : link
Predictions on rookie quarterbacks. I can think of two Giants quarterbacks had they been evaluated after their rookie SEASONS, would have been considered busts.

By the way, and argument could be made they were the best quarterbacks in Giants history, Simms and Eli
Chargers sat a number of starters  
ZogZerg : 8/10/2019 5:53 pm : link
Bosa and a few others didn't play.
Haskins played against 2nd and 3rd teamers.

Not to mention, the Giants played with a number of second teamers. Shep, Barkley, and Engram didn't play.

But none of this means anything other than some "analysts" have an Agenda.
RE: You guys already declaring  
Jay on the Island : 8/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14525869 aceinthehouse said:
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Haskins a bust? Lol

He's getting the experience he needs out there.

It didn't help that the Redskins had zero starters on the field the whole game vs Browns starters for at least a Qtr.

Did he struggle? Absolutely
But he showed some nice things out there, that were questioned. For example, he was much quicker than advertised.

It's going to take him some time to adjust to the speed of the NFL, no doubt.

Let's see how he improves over these next few preseason games, before writing him off.

Let's also see what he can do, with actual 1st stringers out on the field, too.

Not 2nd, 3rd & camp fodders.

I'm excited for the young kid. Growing pains are part of learning.

P. Manning threw 20 picks his rookie season. He turned out ok...😎

Iím sure he will feel better once the skins get a 1st round pick for Trent Williams!
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