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capone : 8/10/2019 10:02 am
What an arrogant douche
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Bill L : 8/14/2019 2:40 pm : link
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I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?

He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?

So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.



shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?


Nope.

Mahomes is white.



is he?


His dad is black and his mom is white.


Really? Didn't know that. Maybe CC only half-criticized him
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Strahan91 : 8/14/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14530308 Bill L said:
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Mahomes is white.



is he?


His dad is black and his mom is white.



Really? Didn't know that. Maybe CC only half-criticized him

His dad pitched in MLB. Had a short stint with the Mets actually.
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Bill L : 8/14/2019 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14530311 Strahan91 said:
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Mahomes is white.



is he?


His dad is black and his mom is white.



Really? Didn't know that. Maybe CC only half-criticized him


His dad pitched in MLB. Had a short stint with the Mets actually.


Geez. He's Pat Mahomes son? I never made the connection. Pitched for the Red Sox too.
I gotta admit  
ron mexico : 8/14/2019 2:48 pm : link
I agree with this jemoke's take here


Nick Wright understands John Mara’s comments about Daniel Jones, but thinks Giants are living in ‘fantasy land’ - ( New Window )
I would hope that we should all hope that we win  
Bill L : 8/14/2019 2:53 pm : link
Otherwise, what are we doing here.

And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.

It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.
RE: I would hope that we should all hope that we win  
ron mexico : 8/14/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14530324 Bill L said:
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Otherwise, what are we doing here.

And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.

It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.


You have to admit that a 7-9, 8-8 or even 9-7 and missing the playoffs and Jones gets no playing time is just about the worst possible outcome. And probably the most likely

BTW - I appreciate your area 51 joke

RE: If you could also find a clip where.....  
bw in dc : 8/14/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14530275 Britt in VA said:
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Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.


I actually re-watched the clip where Carter enters race into the picture. It sounded like he was referencing some piece of information that Haskins slid because there was doubt about his ability to "comprehend" information. And that really pissed Carter off because (1) he knows Day put in a more complicated offense at OSU to match Haskins's ability to absorb information and (2) he's sensitive to that stuff because he's black.

The prologue to that was Carter saying if Haskins put up the numbers that Jones did at Duke, and finished 7th in the ACC in passing, he'd not have been drafted as high as Jones. Etc, etc.

Oddly enough, he later says the Giants made a mistake taking Jones. Not because Haskins was a better choice, but because they needed other better pieces - like a pass rusher. And cites Allen. Further, he suggests that since Eli is the QB this year, and likely more years, that getting talent to fill other needs was more pressing...at least that's how I heard it.

He actually compliments Gettleman for having the courage of his convictions to basically put his career on the line by going with Jones. And even says Gettleman has been in the league for a long time and usually knows what he's doing...

So Carter is sort of all over the map, but very passionate and sensitive to why Haskins slipped.

I just remember reading an article about Carter invoking race into the equation and never watching the full video segment.

This isn't meant to be a defense of Carter, btw. Just trying to capture where he went with the allegation...
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arcarsenal : 8/14/2019 3:08 pm : link
Ahem... I believe I was the first to bring an Area 51 reference into this thread... I demand credit!
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Bill L : 8/14/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14530343 arcarsenal said:
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Ahem... I believe I was the first to bring an Area 51 reference into this thread... I demand credit!


It's all yours. I wasn't even referencing Area 51.
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arcarsenal : 8/14/2019 3:11 pm : link
Hah, all good. Just trying to bring a little more lightheartedness into this thread... we've done enough arguing for one day, methinks.
RE: RE: I would hope that we should all hope that we win  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/14/2019 3:15 pm : link
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Otherwise, what are we doing here.

And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.

It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.



You have to admit that a 7-9, 8-8 or even 9-7 and missing the playoffs and Jones gets no playing time is just about the worst possible outcome. And probably the most likely

BTW - I appreciate your area 51 joke


It'd be surprising if Jones didn't play at all this season. 2020 is a shoe-in, though.
RE: If you could also find a clip where.....  
santacruzom : 8/14/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14530275 Britt in VA said:
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Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.


No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.
RE: RE: If you could also find a clip where.....  
bw in dc : 8/14/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14530367 santacruzom said:
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Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.



No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.


See my outline of Carter's remarks above from his show - just FYI.
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ron mexico : 8/14/2019 3:40 pm : link
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Ahem... I believe I was the first to bring an Area 51 reference into this thread... I demand credit!



It's all yours. I wasn't even referencing Area 51.


My bad, I knew someone made in area 51 reference, that's why I thought the los Alamos remark was clever
RE: RE: If you could also find a clip where.....  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14530367 santacruzom said:
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Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.



No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.


Didn't Carter directly say the Giants didn't consider Haskins because he was black?
Yes  
dep026 : 8/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
yes, he did.
Can we just call these  
dep026 : 8/14/2019 3:43 pm : link
4...

Moe
Larry
Curly
Shemp?
here is the segment on the Jones pick  
ron mexico : 8/14/2019 3:54 pm : link
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1508233795529

and here is the more charged segment on the redskins taking haskins (which seems be removed from the official website)

https://twitter.com/ftfonfs1/status/1121739479495127040?lang=en

for those that want to hear what he said


and here is a pre draft  
ron mexico : 8/14/2019 4:03 pm : link
segment by the co host on haskins that brings race into the conversation
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RE: and here is a pre draft  
UConn4523 : 8/14/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14530398 ron mexico said:
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segment by the co host on haskins that brings race into the conversation Link - ( New Window )


The "host" is awful, who is that anyway? I like how not liking Haskins is incompetence. He then goes on to say he could have been the #1 pick...

I'm not an expert, but there's a bunch of legitimate reasons why Haskins didn't go #1 overall, too many to name in fact. Just a chickenshit way to drum up a story when you lack the ability to break down why a player might actually fall.

That was a brutal listen, thanks for that, haha
ugghhh  
UConn4523 : 8/14/2019 4:25 pm : link
just listened to the other one you posted, don't know why i'm doing this to myself. Carter doesn't even address the difference in talent level between OSU and Duke, just keeps talking about stats. Hot takes galore.
so where is this  
santacruzom : 8/14/2019 4:26 pm : link
"direct" declaration by Carter that the Giants didn't draft Haskins because he was black?
Umm  
dep026 : 8/14/2019 4:30 pm : link
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Umm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2019 4:31 pm : link
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”


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“But this is a black quarterback that’s not real athletic, that is just a drop-back passer. He’s going to have to beat you with his brain and his arm. It’s like, ‘Oh, he doesn’t run? He’s not athletic? Well, eh, I’ll go with this 6 [foot] 5 white kid from Duke because he reminds me more of the quarterbacks I’ve seen.'”

The panel then quoted Giants general manager Dave Gettleman, who claimed he fell in “full bloom love” with Jones after three series at the Senior Bowl, implying that’s all they needed to choose the white player over the black player.


LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2019 4:31 pm : link
good timing!
RE: so where is this  
UConn4523 : 8/14/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14530425 santacruzom said:
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"direct" declaration by Carter that the Giants didn't draft Haskins because he was black?


I don’t know what else to say. It sounded pretty damn clear to me and it wasn’t a slip up, he makes several references to race being the motivator, in fact.
RE: Umm  
bw in dc : 8/14/2019 4:33 pm : link
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”



Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?

I ask, because it's not clear...
RE: here is the segment on the Jones pick  
bw in dc : 8/14/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14530388 ron mexico said:
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https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1508233795529

and here is the more charged segment on the redskins taking haskins (which seems be removed from the official website)

https://twitter.com/ftfonfs1/status/1121739479495127040?lang=en

for those that want to hear what he said



I reviewed those earlier and posted my comments about these about an hour ago. Your second link is pretty harmless by Carter. Essentially says Jones was a reach, but DG has been doing this for a while, and his legacy will be tied to Carter.

The first link, like I mentioned earlier, Carter's tipping point is that he heard something about Haskin's not have the ability to comprehend, and that's why he fell. Not sure what that sourcing was/is, but that was the genesis...
RE: Umm..  
bw in dc : 8/14/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14530437 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”




Who is the source for a "guy can't comprehend"? The default seems to be that it's the Giants. Fine...but based on what?
You'd..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2019 4:50 pm : link
have to ask Carter. They were his direct words.

Are you trying to imply that he's not bringing race into the discussion, because I'm getting that general feeling. Or at least putting forth a great effort to minimize his statements.
RE: so where is this  
ron mexico : 8/14/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14530425 santacruzom said:
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"direct" declaration by Carter that the Giants didn't draft Haskins because he was black?


Gotta cross enemy lines here. Although not directly stated, it clear in the conversation between the two of them that they strongly imply that the Giants prefer the white quarterback.
RE: You'd..  
bw in dc : 8/14/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14530462 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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have to ask Carter. They were his direct words.

Are you trying to imply that he's not bringing race into the discussion, because I'm getting that general feeling. Or at least putting forth a great effort to minimize his statements.


No, not at all. Of course he is...

Like I said, I'm not sure if he's saying the Giants said Haskins would struggle with comprehension or if he was just making a general remark why he think Haskins fell.

If it's the latter, and based on what Carter says later in the segment about DG, he may not have been directly pointing the race card at the Giants. I just don't know.
I can see the pov where  
ron mexico : 8/14/2019 5:27 pm : link
Carter is making a wide spread point not directed specifically at the Giants.

The co host definitely points it at the Giants direction though.
RE: I can see the pov where  
bw in dc : 8/14/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14530503 ron mexico said:
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Carter is making a wide spread point not directed specifically at the Giants.

The co host definitely points it at the Giants direction though.


Totally agree with that. Nick Wright, the co-host, seems more intent on directly accusing the Giants...
RE: Umm  
santacruzom : 8/14/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14530434 dep026 said:
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”



So... neither of those quotes directly accuse the Giants of not drafting Haskins because he's black. You can disagree with his overall "If he were ______ then he would ______" argument if you'd like (though don't clutch your pearls over it too tightly, because that same type of argument is made all the time here, including on this very thread). But there's no direct "The Giants in particular drafted Jones instead of Haskins because they hate the idea of a black QB" statement anywhere.
RE: I can see the pov where  
santacruzom : 8/14/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14530503 ron mexico said:
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Carter is making a wide spread point not directed specifically at the Giants.

The co host definitely points it at the Giants direction though.


Yeah, the co host is actually much more pointed in his commentary.
Lol  
dep026 : 8/14/2019 7:37 pm : link
I bet they all go to Taylor Swift concerts together.
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santacruzom : 8/14/2019 7:38 pm : link
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”





Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?

I ask, because it's not clear...


He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.

I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
Insufferable  
Thegratefulhead : 8/14/2019 9:25 pm : link
Twats. Stop the fucking madness. The guy the Giants drafted at 6 was under enormous pressure in his first NFL action because of the media circus surrounding the pick. He handled it by being fucking perfect and ending his day by throwing a perfect TD to the pylon. At least admit the pressure he was under perform. Some of you must never get laid or have something stuck up your ass. We should be universally happy as fans of the team.
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Dave in Hoboken : 8/14/2019 9:33 pm : link
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”





Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?

I ask, because it's not clear...



He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.

I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.


He certainly implied they were.
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Bill L : 8/14/2019 10:18 pm : link
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”





Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?

I ask, because it's not clear...



He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.

I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.


I think it depends on what the meaning of “is” is.
Like someone else said  
santacruzom : 8/14/2019 10:32 pm : link
Curses for sending me down any sort of Cris Carter rabbit hole, even one that is only consuming 5 minutes because these are so easy to find, but I can only imagine how pissed we'd be here if Jones has a Mahomesish week 1 debut and Carter reacts like this:

https://youtu.be/POOWQB-XtG4

Now I recognize that this isn't an exact clone of what he said about Jones but can we at least put the "He'd never express any "pump the brakes" thoughts like that about any non Giant quarterback!!" thing to rest?
Still going?  
crick n NC : 8/14/2019 10:54 pm : link
Might as well shoot for the 🌟's

1k replies or gtfo
RE: RE: RE: Umm  
bw in dc : 8/14/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14530577 santacruzom said:
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He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.

I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.


I can see why people jumped on Carter. Especially if you relied solely on the print media because they made it sound as if Carter directly said all of Jints Central are racists.

But it you watched the segment and listened carefully, it's just not that clear. Carter's disgust is driven by some information that Haskins was considered less capable because of some intellect concern. And that was the catalyst that dropped Haskins out of the top ten.

Bookend that with Carter later praising DG, it's a lot sketchier if Carter was actually calling DG a racist for the Jones pick...
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jhibb : 8/14/2019 11:02 pm : link
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”





So... neither of those quotes directly accuse the Giants of not drafting Haskins because he's black. You can disagree with his overall "If he were ______ then he would ______" argument if you'd like (though don't clutch your pearls over it too tightly, because that same type of argument is made all the time here, including on this very thread). But there's no direct "The Giants in particular drafted Jones instead of Haskins because they hate the idea of a black QB" statement anywhere.


It's about as direct as you can get without naming the Giants. I mean, nobody else picked a white guy from Duke with those stats in the first round.

He's saying the Giants wouldn't have picked Jones if everything else (school, stats, etc) were the same about him but you changed his name to Haskins and made him black instead of white. How can you take that as anything other than an accusation of racism?
But he didn't specifically limit it to the Giants  
santacruzom : 8/14/2019 11:09 pm : link
He actually said no one I first round and possibly even the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft would have drafted him.

The headlines from the tabloidy websites we had no problem dismissing when they'd write about OBJ's issues made it sound as though Carter was ranting and raving like he was bitten by a radioactive Steven A Smith. This very thread also acts as though he's just incredulous about any credit Jones is getting, and that he's holding him to some standard he'd apply to no one else merely because he lost to us nearly two decades ago. The reality seems very different.
It depends on what the meaning of “is” is.  
Bill L : 8/15/2019 12:22 am : link
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Carter's ridiculous for even distantly suggesting racism by the Giants  
Torrag : 8/15/2019 2:04 am : link
They've had multiple black QB's in the franchise history including the guy that ended Eli's consecutive game streak. It's insulting and utter BS.
I just get the feeling  
santacruzom : 8/15/2019 12:27 pm : link
that Carter was jumping on the growing bandwagon that was perplexed by Haskins sudden fall during the draft and the few weeks leading up to it. I remember these articles because the Giants were thought to be interested in Haskins. The idea of racial bias came up in a few of them, but not directed towards any one team.

I still don't think that Carter has some axe to grind about Jones, or that he's offering some criticism of Jones' TD pass that he wouldn't offer in any other QB analysis because of this axe, but I guess we'll find out if Jones winds up being good enough to afford Carter multiple opportunities to.
I'm issuing a warning  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/24/2019 3:45 pm : link
if you want to discuss race -- discuss it somewhere else -- this is not the forum to discuss it. Those of you who wish to continue such a discussion will be banned.
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