Great pocket to throw from. Followed one receiver and threw him the ball. Threw to his #1 option every single time. Noting wrong with that. He completed the passes.
Before the game I said for Jones it would be abut building his confidence. Shumer did a great job of giving Jones plays where he could succeed. Terrific job by Shumer.
So I completely agree with Carter. I didn't predict Jones would go 5-5. The kid looked comfortable. But as I said in another thread, this is a sugar high. Give it time. Let it play out.
I don't know that Chris Carter is entirely wrong Â
first off he talked about how Daniel Jones did a good job and made good throws.
He does point out that the Giants left their first team o-line in with Jones against the Jets backup defenders. He says this was smart of the Giants to help Jones have success.
He then talks about the touchdown pass. He points out that Jones locked in on his target from the snap until the throw. Carter says a starting NFL safety is going to pick up on that which the Jets safety didn't.
He then points out that the Jets safety put himself in bad position to make a play on the TD pass. He might be right, he might be wrong, but it's possible a NFL caliber starting safety would have made a play on the ball. The Jets safety did get turned around and had his back to the play.
Not defending Carter, but I didn't get the arrogant douche impression from his comments.
Remember - Cris Carter is the same guy who insinuated that Haskins Â
that's ok because they are teachable and weren't that bad. He didn't mention if they were against 2nd string defenses ( I'll bet they were). Jones throw 5 completions one he throws for a TD and Carter says it wasn't a great throw it should have been a pick (which is debatable) and it was against a 2nd string D. Do I sense some bitterness here?
The safety was a stuck in place because of the nice route run by Fowler, which was a go route with a bit of a wiggle, throw in a routecombo. The safety would likely have contested a straight up go route.
I have never seen such nitpicking of a preseason TD.
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
Everyone understands the points it's the way he defends one quarterback who throws 2 picks and finds fault with a TD play. This especially how vocal he was after the draft about the two of them. He still maybe proven correct long term it's just curious at this time. Besides was Haskins throwing against the two's? Funny how it was never mentioned. And I'm a guy who actually wanted them to draft Haskins.
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
Everyone understands the points it's the way he defends one quarterback who throws 2 picks and finds fault with a TD play. This especially how vocal he was after the draft about the two of them. He still maybe proven correct long term it's just curious at this time. Besides was Haskins throwing against the two's? Funny how it was never mentioned. And I'm a guy who actually wanted them to draft Haskins.
Carter said Haskins completely misjudged the speed of NFL linebackers on the pick 6. But go ahead and keep looking for UFOs and Bigfoot...
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It was incorrect and agenda driven. Other than that, nothing.
You weren’t mistakingly watching CNN...were you?
He said there was only one receiver on that side of the field...wrong. He said the safety should have been out wide. Maybe that's correct, but if it is, do you think Jones still throws the ball there when he has Ellison underneath and a RB wide open right in front of him.
He said there was only one receiver on that side of the field...wrong. He said the safety should have been out wide. Maybe that's correct, but if it is, do you think Jones still throws the ball there when he has Ellison underneath and a RB wide open right in front of him.
Ok, maybe that’s fair. I don’t know. But Mangini said the same thing yesterday. What’s his agenda?
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
Everyone understands the points it's the way he defends one quarterback who throws 2 picks and finds fault with a TD play. This especially how vocal he was after the draft about the two of them. He still maybe proven correct long term it's just curious at this time. Besides was Haskins throwing against the two's? Funny how it was never mentioned. And I'm a guy who actually wanted them to draft Haskins.
Carter said Haskins completely misjudged the speed of NFL linebackers on the pick 6. But go ahead and keep looking for UFOs and Bigfoot...
The defense can be out of position or make mistakes and it's still a good decision and throw by Jones.
If the defense plays it the way certain people say does Jones still throw the ball? If he does, maybe he still fits it where only the receiver can get it (manning to Manningham)?
Perhaps he goes elsewhere with the ball, or runs.
Jones is going to make poor throws, reads, decisions just like he is going to make good throws, reads and decisions.
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He said there was only one receiver on that side of the field...wrong. He said the safety should have been out wide. Maybe that's correct, but if it is, do you think Jones still throws the ball there when he has Ellison underneath and a RB wide open right in front of him.
Ok, maybe that’s fair. I don’t know. But Mangini said the same thing yesterday. What’s his agenda?
It may or may not be a fair assessment. But, it is impossible to speculate at this time what Jones would do if that S was wider. The fact remains that he saw the window and made a very good throw. Now, if they run a similar play in the coming weeks and the S is wider and it results in an INT or INC then, we have something to talk about. Likewise, if he makes that read and checks down to the TE or RB, we have something else to talk about. Either way, last night was one series; not enough to say anything too high or too low.
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because he's a bigger fan of his own opinion than the Giants.
Gee, you got me. I’ll self-ban...
If that's not the case why are you so eager to find analysts trashing Daniel Jones after he just went 5 for 5 in his preseason debut and then trashing other posters because they defend him?
what he remarks about in that video is fine. You may disagree with some of it but he isn’t being irrational.
not everything is the World against the Giants...
At face value theres nothing egregious about his comments. When you take into account that he flat out said the Giants must have a racial agenda in order to select Jones over Haskins, then listen to him explain away 2 Haskins picks and spend 2 minutes of a 15 minute segment downplaying Jones' td pass it seems to fit his agenda.
The funniest part is that he takes time to try and explain that he doesnt allowngis judgement on a rookie prospect influence how he analyzes there play when you can make the argument that he just did exactly that.
Both Chris and Nick already accused the Giants of being racist because they drafted Jones over Haskins. Carter was sticking to his agenda on this. He was guaranteeing it would have been intercepted if the Jets' first-team was out there. That's a BS prediction and did he not notice the TD was to Fowler? Is Fowler on our 1st team?
If ya'll notice Carter immediately followed up with a rant that he ignores everything he said during and following the draft. That he evaluates them evenly with a fresh start. Why did he feel the need to bring that up? Because he was doing exactly that, that's why.
This just proves how NY gets criticized harder than most teams and Chris and Nick will stick with their own agenda to create controversy. They felt the need to point out Jones played against the Jets 2nd team pass defense but apparently, Haskins threw his 2 interceptions to an in their prime Deion Sanders and Darrelle Revis because they didn't bother mentioning their boy Haskins was also playing against 2nd-team.
what he remarks about in that video is fine. You may disagree with some of it but he isn’t being irrational.
not everything is the World against the Giants...
At face value theres nothing egregious about his comments. When you take into account that he flat out said the Giants must have a racial agenda in order to select Jones over Haskins, then listen to him explain away 2 Haskins picks and spend 2 minutes of a 15 minute segment downplaying Jones' td pass it seems to fit his agenda.
The funniest part is that he takes time to try and explain that he doesnt allowngis judgement on a rookie prospect influence how he analyzes there play when you can make the argument that he just did exactly that.
LOL! I must have started typing while you were posting. I'm in complete agreement with you.
wouldn't have been drafted high if were a black QB with his stats at Duke. He also said the Giants passed on Haskins and picked Jones cause of racial bias. Those were his statements and you can go read them if you need a refreshing of Carter's mindset.
So of course when people are changing their opinion of Jones and even gushing about him, Carter has to run him down while not being anywhere nearly as critical of Haskins. This is what you call bias.
Chris Carter is the last person I would go to for an objective opinion on Daniel Jones. Starting NFL safeties also make ton of mistakes and get flat out beat. They are not gods who pick off every ball and break up every play. To assume they do is ludicrous otherwise NFL QBs would have a 15% completion percentage. Jones made a great pass. All rookie QBs are doing more simple things see Kyler Murray. Jones happened to the best of them while Haskins was up and down. End of story.
Carter tried to overanalyze it cause he doesn't like Jones and tried to knock to fit his agenda. Jones will never get a fair shake from Carter for a number of reasons one of them being the color of his skin. That is why no one likes Chris Carter. He is a petty and biased.
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If that's not the case why are you so eager to find analysts trashing Daniel Jones after he just went 5 for 5 in his preseason debut and then trashing other posters because they defend him?
For the recollection impaired, I didn't make this thread and link the video.
And as posted above, wrong facts. There was not one receiver on that side of the field. There were Jets starters on the field. Correcting the factual errors would have helped.
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And it makes no sense to say that the safety never picked up on the read, and had he, then he gets a pick. If Jones sees the safety doesn’t pick up route and throws a TD, was that the wrong decision? Maybe if he breaks on the route, Jones goes somewhere else with the ball?
You can’t change one variable in a series of inter-related variable and then state what should have happened. It’s idiotic. That is what is wrong with what Carter said.
And as posted above, wrong facts. There was not one receiver on that side of the field. There were Jets starters on the field. Correcting the factual errors would have helped.
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And it makes no sense to say that the safety never picked up on the read, and had he, then he gets a pick. If Jones sees the safety doesn’t pick up route and throws a TD, was that the wrong decision? Maybe if he breaks on the route, Jones goes somewhere else with the ball?
inexplicably actually, is that CC has had an agenda since the 41-0 drubbing 18 1/2 years ago. I realize you were away from this site for about 10 of those years, but sheesh, how can you NOT know this.
So that’s “what’s wrong” with what he said. It’s skewed, because in reality, you can knock virtually every completed TD toss..
Nothing to see here save for the obvious.
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If that's not the case why are you so eager to find analysts trashing Daniel Jones after he just went 5 for 5 in his preseason debut and then trashing other posters because they defend him?
For the recollection impaired, I didn't make this thread and link the video.
You've been banging that drum in a separate thread and continued so here. At least the person who made this thread seems to be supporting Daniel Jones, which is more than can be said about you. You support bw.
Watching the video Carter seems too eager to discredit Jones. Like I said above Jones should be given credit for taking advantage of an out of position defender, Carter never mentions that. Carter seemed visibly keyed up to talk about the Jones td. It seemed to bother him that Jones was given credit for a great throw. At least that is how I saw it.
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And as posted above, wrong facts. There was not one receiver on that side of the field. There were Jets starters on the field. Correcting the factual errors would have helped.
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And it makes no sense to say that the safety never picked up on the read, and had he, then he gets a pick. If Jones sees the safety doesn’t pick up route and throws a TD, was that the wrong decision? Maybe if he breaks on the route, Jones goes somewhere else with the ball?
I didn't see Jamaal Adams on the field. Did you?
By that logic we should ignore everything the Jets first team D did because Saquon Barkley wasn’t on the field. There were plenty of open options and we can’t say what would have happened had a Safety been in position. The fact is Jones recognized he would have the play and went with it.
DJ made the right read on the TD pass. The WR also ran the flag Â
where it needed to go. Safety got caught late diagnosing and DJ put the ball where it needed to be. Yeh if the Safety isn't caught a little out of position than he makes a play on the ball. But DJ may put that ball in a different spot if he is or looks to other side of the field for backside progression. The accuracy and ball placement really stuck out.
RE: I don't know that Chris Carter is entirely wrong Â
first off he talked about how Daniel Jones did a good job and made good throws.
He does point out that the Giants left their first team o-line in with Jones against the Jets backup defenders. He says this was smart of the Giants to help Jones have success.
He then talks about the touchdown pass. He points out that Jones locked in on his target from the snap until the throw. Carter says a starting NFL safety is going to pick up on that which the Jets safety didn't.
He then points out that the Jets safety put himself in bad position to make a play on the TD pass. He might be right, he might be wrong, but it's possible a NFL caliber starting safety would have made a play on the ball. The Jets safety did get turned around and had his back to the play.
Not defending Carter, but I didn't get the arrogant douche impression from his comments.
Carter would be wrong about the Jets backup defenders. They had 5 starters in as well as the 3rd overall pick Quinnen Williams. Did he mention anything about the Giants having their backup RB or their 2nd & 3rd TE or their 4th and 5th WRs playing?
that's ok because they are teachable and weren't that bad. He didn't mention if they were against 2nd string defenses ( I'll bet they were). Jones throw 5 completions one he throws for a TD and Carter says it wasn't a great throw it should have been a pick (which is debatable) and it was against a 2nd string D. Do I sense some bitterness here?
Haskins didn't play against ANY Browns starter. Daniel Jones played against a Jets D who had half their starters in.
I don't see anything problematic. It was pretty good analysis. Whether you agree or not is up to you. He looked really solid - I didn't think that last pass was great and I was surprised that no one seemed to mention it very well could have gotten picked. If that was the giants D, people would be saying "all (random DB) had to do was turn around". I thought it was a phenomenal debut but thank God there's room for improvement after the first exhibition game, as is expected. But you couldn't ask for a better series. As a therapist, I frequently have to tel people that they have to learn to hold more than one truth at a time. On BBI, I feel the need to tell people they really need to fucking learn to do that. I mean it's a lot more reasonable than baldinger, who people are ready to blow.
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What an ass.
Before the game I said for Jones it would be abut building his confidence. Shumer did a great job of giving Jones plays where he could succeed. Terrific job by Shumer.
So I completely agree with Carter. I didn't predict Jones would go 5-5. The kid looked comfortable. But as I said in another thread, this is a sugar high. Give it time. Let it play out.
He does point out that the Giants left their first team o-line in with Jones against the Jets backup defenders. He says this was smart of the Giants to help Jones have success.
He then talks about the touchdown pass. He points out that Jones locked in on his target from the snap until the throw. Carter says a starting NFL safety is going to pick up on that which the Jets safety didn't.
He then points out that the Jets safety put himself in bad position to make a play on the TD pass. He might be right, he might be wrong, but it's possible a NFL caliber starting safety would have made a play on the ball. The Jets safety did get turned around and had his back to the play.
Not defending Carter, but I didn't get the arrogant douche impression from his comments.
And some here admitted to thinking the same thing.
He needs Jones to suck after saying something so dumb.
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
It was incorrect and agenda driven. Other than that, nothing.
I have never seen such nitpicking of a preseason TD.
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
There is an obvious pattern here and its not surprising that you miss it entirely
It was incorrect and agenda driven. Other than that, nothing.
You weren’t mistakingly watching CNN...were you?
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a comprehension problem here.
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
There is an obvious pattern here and its not surprising that you miss it entirely
Should I play the clip backwards and listen if something Satanic comes out of Carter’s mouth?
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
Everyone understands the points it's the way he defends one quarterback who throws 2 picks and finds fault with a TD play. This especially how vocal he was after the draft about the two of them. He still maybe proven correct long term it's just curious at this time. Besides was Haskins throwing against the two's? Funny how it was never mentioned. And I'm a guy who actually wanted them to draft Haskins.
not everything is the World against the Giants...
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a comprehension problem here.
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
Everyone understands the points it's the way he defends one quarterback who throws 2 picks and finds fault with a TD play. This especially how vocal he was after the draft about the two of them. He still maybe proven correct long term it's just curious at this time. Besides was Haskins throwing against the two's? Funny how it was never mentioned. And I'm a guy who actually wanted them to draft Haskins.
Carter said Haskins completely misjudged the speed of NFL linebackers on the pick 6. But go ahead and keep looking for UFOs and Bigfoot...
Gee, you got me. I’ll self-ban...
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It was incorrect and agenda driven. Other than that, nothing.
You weren’t mistakingly watching CNN...were you?
He said there was only one receiver on that side of the field...wrong. He said the safety should have been out wide. Maybe that's correct, but if it is, do you think Jones still throws the ball there when he has Ellison underneath and a RB wide open right in front of him.
He said there was only one receiver on that side of the field...wrong. He said the safety should have been out wide. Maybe that's correct, but if it is, do you think Jones still throws the ball there when he has Ellison underneath and a RB wide open right in front of him.
Ok, maybe that’s fair. I don’t know. But Mangini said the same thing yesterday. What’s his agenda?
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a comprehension problem here.
If you can’t rationally absorb the salient points Carter is making you need another hobby for Sundays, September thru December.
Everyone understands the points it's the way he defends one quarterback who throws 2 picks and finds fault with a TD play. This especially how vocal he was after the draft about the two of them. He still maybe proven correct long term it's just curious at this time. Besides was Haskins throwing against the two's? Funny how it was never mentioned. And I'm a guy who actually wanted them to draft Haskins.
Carter said Haskins completely misjudged the speed of NFL linebackers on the pick 6. But go ahead and keep looking for UFOs and Bigfoot...
It was an underthrown, terrible pass.
The defense can be out of position or make mistakes and it's still a good decision and throw by Jones.
If the defense plays it the way certain people say does Jones still throw the ball? If he does, maybe he still fits it where only the receiver can get it (manning to Manningham)?
Perhaps he goes elsewhere with the ball, or runs.
Jones is going to make poor throws, reads, decisions just like he is going to make good throws, reads and decisions.
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He said there was only one receiver on that side of the field...wrong. He said the safety should have been out wide. Maybe that's correct, but if it is, do you think Jones still throws the ball there when he has Ellison underneath and a RB wide open right in front of him.
Ok, maybe that’s fair. I don’t know. But Mangini said the same thing yesterday. What’s his agenda?
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because he's a bigger fan of his own opinion than the Giants.
Gee, you got me. I’ll self-ban...
If that's not the case why are you so eager to find analysts trashing Daniel Jones after he just went 5 for 5 in his preseason debut and then trashing other posters because they defend him?
not everything is the World against the Giants...
At face value theres nothing egregious about his comments. When you take into account that he flat out said the Giants must have a racial agenda in order to select Jones over Haskins, then listen to him explain away 2 Haskins picks and spend 2 minutes of a 15 minute segment downplaying Jones' td pass it seems to fit his agenda.
The funniest part is that he takes time to try and explain that he doesnt allowngis judgement on a rookie prospect influence how he analyzes there play when you can make the argument that he just did exactly that.
If ya'll notice Carter immediately followed up with a rant that he ignores everything he said during and following the draft. That he evaluates them evenly with a fresh start. Why did he feel the need to bring that up? Because he was doing exactly that, that's why.
This just proves how NY gets criticized harder than most teams and Chris and Nick will stick with their own agenda to create controversy. They felt the need to point out Jones played against the Jets 2nd team pass defense but apparently, Haskins threw his 2 interceptions to an in their prime Deion Sanders and Darrelle Revis because they didn't bother mentioning their boy Haskins was also playing against 2nd-team.
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what he remarks about in that video is fine. You may disagree with some of it but he isn’t being irrational.
not everything is the World against the Giants...
At face value theres nothing egregious about his comments. When you take into account that he flat out said the Giants must have a racial agenda in order to select Jones over Haskins, then listen to him explain away 2 Haskins picks and spend 2 minutes of a 15 minute segment downplaying Jones' td pass it seems to fit his agenda.
The funniest part is that he takes time to try and explain that he doesnt allowngis judgement on a rookie prospect influence how he analyzes there play when you can make the argument that he just did exactly that.
LOL! I must have started typing while you were posting. I'm in complete agreement with you.
The defense can be out of position or make mistakes and it's still a good decision and throw by Jones.
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Winning statement...
So of course when people are changing their opinion of Jones and even gushing about him, Carter has to run him down while not being anywhere nearly as critical of Haskins. This is what you call bias.
Chris Carter is the last person I would go to for an objective opinion on Daniel Jones. Starting NFL safeties also make ton of mistakes and get flat out beat. They are not gods who pick off every ball and break up every play. To assume they do is ludicrous otherwise NFL QBs would have a 15% completion percentage. Jones made a great pass. All rookie QBs are doing more simple things see Kyler Murray. Jones happened to the best of them while Haskins was up and down. End of story.
Carter tried to overanalyze it cause he doesn't like Jones and tried to knock to fit his agenda. Jones will never get a fair shake from Carter for a number of reasons one of them being the color of his skin. That is why no one likes Chris Carter. He is a petty and biased.
If that's not the case why are you so eager to find analysts trashing Daniel Jones after he just went 5 for 5 in his preseason debut and then trashing other posters because they defend him?
For the recollection impaired, I didn't make this thread and link the video.
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And it makes no sense to say that the safety never picked up on the read, and had he, then he gets a pick. If Jones sees the safety doesn’t pick up route and throws a TD, was that the wrong decision? Maybe if he breaks on the route, Jones goes somewhere else with the ball?
You can’t change one variable in a series of inter-related variable and then state what should have happened. It’s idiotic. That is what is wrong with what Carter said.
Carter said Haskins completely misjudged the speed of NFL linebackers on the pick 6. But go ahead and keep looking for UFOs and Bigfoot...
It was an underthrown, terrible pass.
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And it makes no sense to say that the safety never picked up on the read, and had he, then he gets a pick. If Jones sees the safety doesn’t pick up route and throws a TD, was that the wrong decision? Maybe if he breaks on the route, Jones goes somewhere else with the ball?
I didn't see Jamaal Adams on the field. Did you?
So that’s “what’s wrong” with what he said. It’s skewed, because in reality, you can knock virtually every completed TD toss..
Nothing to see here save for the obvious.
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If that's not the case why are you so eager to find analysts trashing Daniel Jones after he just went 5 for 5 in his preseason debut and then trashing other posters because they defend him?
For the recollection impaired, I didn't make this thread and link the video.
You've been banging that drum in a separate thread and continued so here. At least the person who made this thread seems to be supporting Daniel Jones, which is more than can be said about you. You support bw.
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And as posted above, wrong facts. There was not one receiver on that side of the field. There were Jets starters on the field. Correcting the factual errors would have helped.
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And it makes no sense to say that the safety never picked up on the read, and had he, then he gets a pick. If Jones sees the safety doesn’t pick up route and throws a TD, was that the wrong decision? Maybe if he breaks on the route, Jones goes somewhere else with the ball?
I didn't see Jamaal Adams on the field. Did you?
By that logic we should ignore everything the Jets first team D did because Saquon Barkley wasn’t on the field. There were plenty of open options and we can’t say what would have happened had a Safety been in position. The fact is Jones recognized he would have the play and went with it.
He does point out that the Giants left their first team o-line in with Jones against the Jets backup defenders. He says this was smart of the Giants to help Jones have success.
He then talks about the touchdown pass. He points out that Jones locked in on his target from the snap until the throw. Carter says a starting NFL safety is going to pick up on that which the Jets safety didn't.
He then points out that the Jets safety put himself in bad position to make a play on the TD pass. He might be right, he might be wrong, but it's possible a NFL caliber starting safety would have made a play on the ball. The Jets safety did get turned around and had his back to the play.
Not defending Carter, but I didn't get the arrogant douche impression from his comments.
Carter would be wrong about the Jets backup defenders. They had 5 starters in as well as the 3rd overall pick Quinnen Williams. Did he mention anything about the Giants having their backup RB or their 2nd & 3rd TE or their 4th and 5th WRs playing?
I mean I know we don’t score a lot of TDs... but how about we don’t shit on ones we actually score?
Haskins didn't play against ANY Browns starter. Daniel Jones played against a Jets D who had half their starters in.
I don't see anything problematic. It was pretty good analysis. Whether you agree or not is up to you. He looked really solid - I didn't think that last pass was great and I was surprised that no one seemed to mention it very well could have gotten picked. If that was the giants D, people would be saying "all (random DB) had to do was turn around". I thought it was a phenomenal debut but thank God there's room for improvement after the first exhibition game, as is expected. But you couldn't ask for a better series. As a therapist, I frequently have to tel people that they have to learn to hold more than one truth at a time. On BBI, I feel the need to tell people they really need to fucking learn to do that. I mean it's a lot more reasonable than baldinger, who people are ready to blow.
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because he's a bigger fan of his own opinion than the Giants.
Gee, you got me. I’ll self-ban...
That would be amazing. Thank you.