he started off just fine in that video but he just couldn't help himself. If that was Mahomes making that exact same throw he'd be gushing.
It took all of 1 minute for me to find a video that probably enraged the Chief fanbase (assumning they're similarly sensitive): https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1375780931869
I don't think telling Mahomes to protect the ball is the same as saying a good pass should have been picked had a different player been in on the play? That's just bushleague arguing.
meant to respond to your earlier point but I agree, just an inexcusable remark by Carter, one that has nothing to do with any of the players involved. Just a really shitty thing to publicly state about someone without even a shred of evidence.
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he started off just fine in that video but he just couldn't help himself. If that was Mahomes making that exact same throw he'd be gushing.
It took all of 1 minute for me to find a video that probably enraged the Chief fanbase (assumning they're similarly sensitive): https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1375780931869
I don't think telling Mahomes to protect the ball is the same as saying a good pass should have been picked had a different player been in on the play? That's just bushleague arguing.
dude, he actually directly refuted the exact point you just made. he found a clip of CC being very critical of Mahomes, in a game he threw for almost 500 yards and 6 TDs none the less
I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
because he actually made mistakes, big ones, and repeatedly. Jones didn't. I'd have no problem with him saying "Jones needs to watch it when locking onto a receiver" - that makes sense and isn't egregious. But his argument about a different player picking off that ball is simply bullshit.
This can't be that hard to follow, or is it just me?
I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
because he actually made mistakes, big ones, and repeatedly. Jones didn't. I'd have no problem with him saying "Jones needs to watch it when locking onto a receiver" - that makes sense and isn't egregious. But his argument about a different player picking off that ball is simply bullshit.
This can't be that hard to follow, or is it just me?
You wont get an argument from me that his argument that a different player lined up in a different spot would lead to an interception is, at best, a stretch (and thats being generous)
Just seems like his shtick if to find negative things to say.
You fuckers sent me down a rabbit hole of watching Cris Carter clips. Not exactly how I planned to spend my afternoon.
but when he made the comments he did about the Giants, and followed that up with basically trolling Jones for making a great pass, I'm going to go ahead and call him an asshole.
That's really the only point i'm trying to make. Carter is a moron, his opinion shouldn't matter to anyone (regardless of fandom). He should be called out for it publicly, wish someone in his profession would do so.
but when he made the comments he did about the Giants, and followed that up with basically trolling Jones for making a great pass, I'm going to go ahead and call him an asshole.
That's really the only point i'm trying to make. Carter is a moron, his opinion shouldn't matter to anyone (regardless of fandom). He should be called out for it publicly, wish someone in his profession would do so.
Agreed, me too.
He crossed the line from schtick to real life, big time.
I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
Nope.
Mahomes is white.
is he?
His dad is black and his mom is white.
Jones playing 1 series didn't help Carter either Â
he had no real ammo to go at him which is why he just made things up. If it didn't rain and he played another series going 1-3 with a few yards he could have masked his assholeness much better.
I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
Nope.
Mahomes is white.
is he?
His dad is black and his mom is white.
Really? Didn't know that. Maybe CC only half-criticized him
And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.
It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.
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And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.
It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.
You have to admit that a 7-9, 8-8 or even 9-7 and missing the playoffs and Jones gets no playing time is just about the worst possible outcome. And probably the most likely
Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.
I actually re-watched the clip where Carter enters race into the picture. It sounded like he was referencing some piece of information that Haskins slid because there was doubt about his ability to "comprehend" information. And that really pissed Carter off because (1) he knows Day put in a more complicated offense at OSU to match Haskins's ability to absorb information and (2) he's sensitive to that stuff because he's black.
The prologue to that was Carter saying if Haskins put up the numbers that Jones did at Duke, and finished 7th in the ACC in passing, he'd not have been drafted as high as Jones. Etc, etc.
Oddly enough, he later says the Giants made a mistake taking Jones. Not because Haskins was a better choice, but because they needed other better pieces - like a pass rusher. And cites Allen. Further, he suggests that since Eli is the QB this year, and likely more years, that getting talent to fill other needs was more pressing...at least that's how I heard it.
He actually compliments Gettleman for having the courage of his convictions to basically put his career on the line by going with Jones. And even says Gettleman has been in the league for a long time and usually knows what he's doing...
So Carter is sort of all over the map, but very passionate and sensitive to why Haskins slipped.
I just remember reading an article about Carter invoking race into the equation and never watching the full video segment.
This isn't meant to be a defense of Carter, btw. Just trying to capture where he went with the allegation...
And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.
It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.
You have to admit that a 7-9, 8-8 or even 9-7 and missing the playoffs and Jones gets no playing time is just about the worst possible outcome. And probably the most likely
BTW - I appreciate your area 51 joke
It'd be surprising if Jones didn't play at all this season. 2020 is a shoe-in, though.
Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.
No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.
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Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.
No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.
See my outline of Carter's remarks above from his show - just FYI.
Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.
No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.
Didn't Carter directly say the Giants didn't consider Haskins because he was black?
segment by the co host on haskins that brings race into the conversation Link - ( New Window )
The "host" is awful, who is that anyway? I like how not liking Haskins is incompetence. He then goes on to say he could have been the #1 pick...
I'm not an expert, but there's a bunch of legitimate reasons why Haskins didn't go #1 overall, too many to name in fact. Just a chickenshit way to drum up a story when you lack the ability to break down why a player might actually fall.
just listened to the other one you posted, don't know why i'm doing this to myself. Carter doesn't even address the difference in talent level between OSU and Duke, just keeps talking about stats. Hot takes galore.
“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
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“But this is a black quarterback that’s not real athletic, that is just a drop-back passer. He’s going to have to beat you with his brain and his arm. It’s like, ‘Oh, he doesn’t run? He’s not athletic? Well, eh, I’ll go with this 6 [foot] 5 white kid from Duke because he reminds me more of the quarterbacks I’ve seen.'”
The panel then quoted Giants general manager Dave Gettleman, who claimed he fell in “full bloom love” with Jones after three series at the Senior Bowl, implying that’s all they needed to choose the white player over the black player.
"direct" declaration by Carter that the Giants didn't draft Haskins because he was black?
I don’t know what else to say. It sounded pretty damn clear to me and it wasn’t a slip up, he makes several references to race being the motivator, in fact.
“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?
I reviewed those earlier and posted my comments about these about an hour ago. Your second link is pretty harmless by Carter. Essentially says Jones was a reach, but DG has been doing this for a while, and his legacy will be tied to Carter.
The first link, like I mentioned earlier, Carter's tipping point is that he heard something about Haskin's not have the ability to comprehend, and that's why he fell. Not sure what that sourcing was/is, but that was the genesis...
“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Who is the source for a "guy can't comprehend"? The default seems to be that it's the Giants. Fine...but based on what?
Are you trying to imply that he's not bringing race into the discussion, because I'm getting that general feeling. Or at least putting forth a great effort to minimize his statements.
"direct" declaration by Carter that the Giants didn't draft Haskins because he was black?
Gotta cross enemy lines here. Although not directly stated, it clear in the conversation between the two of them that they strongly imply that the Giants prefer the white quarterback.
Are you trying to imply that he's not bringing race into the discussion, because I'm getting that general feeling. Or at least putting forth a great effort to minimize his statements.
No, not at all. Of course he is...
Like I said, I'm not sure if he's saying the Giants said Haskins would struggle with comprehension or if he was just making a general remark why he think Haskins fell.
If it's the latter, and based on what Carter says later in the segment about DG, he may not have been directly pointing the race card at the Giants. I just don't know.
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he started off just fine in that video but he just couldn't help himself. If that was Mahomes making that exact same throw he'd be gushing.
It took all of 1 minute for me to find a video that probably enraged the Chief fanbase (assumning they're similarly sensitive): https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1375780931869
I don't think telling Mahomes to protect the ball is the same as saying a good pass should have been picked had a different player been in on the play? That's just bushleague arguing.
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he started off just fine in that video but he just couldn't help himself. If that was Mahomes making that exact same throw he'd be gushing.
It took all of 1 minute for me to find a video that probably enraged the Chief fanbase (assumning they're similarly sensitive): https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1375780931869
I don't think telling Mahomes to protect the ball is the same as saying a good pass should have been picked had a different player been in on the play? That's just bushleague arguing.
dude, he actually directly refuted the exact point you just made. he found a clip of CC being very critical of Mahomes, in a game he threw for almost 500 yards and 6 TDs none the less
Nothing bush league about that
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
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I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
Nope.
Mahomes is white.
This can't be that hard to follow, or is it just me?
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I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
Nope.
Mahomes is white.
is he?
This can't be that hard to follow, or is it just me?
You wont get an argument from me that his argument that a different player lined up in a different spot would lead to an interception is, at best, a stretch (and thats being generous)
Just seems like his shtick if to find negative things to say.
You fuckers sent me down a rabbit hole of watching Cris Carter clips. Not exactly how I planned to spend my afternoon.
That's really the only point i'm trying to make. Carter is a moron, his opinion shouldn't matter to anyone (regardless of fandom). He should be called out for it publicly, wish someone in his profession would do so.
That's really the only point i'm trying to make. Carter is a moron, his opinion shouldn't matter to anyone (regardless of fandom). He should be called out for it publicly, wish someone in his profession would do so.
Agreed, me too.
He crossed the line from schtick to real life, big time.
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I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
Nope.
Mahomes is white.
is he?
His dad is black and his mom is white.
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I already addressed it, catch up will you? How come you forgot about the 5 turnovers in that game? Doesn't jive with your argument does it?
He criticized him for ball security...I wonder why? Ohh i know, he had 5 turnovers. So how exactly does that equate to a made up theory about a different player being about to intercept the Jones TD?
So i'll say it again, if Mahomes made that pass my guess is Carter would applaud it.
shouldn't the opposite hold true though. Shouldn't CC be minimizing Mahomes mistakes and accentuating his positives to promote his agenda?
Nope.
Mahomes is white.
is he?
His dad is black and his mom is white.
Really? Didn't know that. Maybe CC only half-criticized him
Mahomes is white.
is he?
His dad is black and his mom is white.
Really? Didn't know that. Maybe CC only half-criticized him
His dad pitched in MLB. Had a short stint with the Mets actually.
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Mahomes is white.
is he?
His dad is black and his mom is white.
Really? Didn't know that. Maybe CC only half-criticized him
His dad pitched in MLB. Had a short stint with the Mets actually.
Geez. He's Pat Mahomes son? I never made the connection. Pitched for the Red Sox too.
Nick Wright understands John Mara’s comments about Daniel Jones, but thinks Giants are living in ‘fantasy land’ - ( New Window )
And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.
It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.
And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.
It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.
You have to admit that a 7-9, 8-8 or even 9-7 and missing the playoffs and Jones gets no playing time is just about the worst possible outcome. And probably the most likely
BTW - I appreciate your area 51 joke
I actually re-watched the clip where Carter enters race into the picture. It sounded like he was referencing some piece of information that Haskins slid because there was doubt about his ability to "comprehend" information. And that really pissed Carter off because (1) he knows Day put in a more complicated offense at OSU to match Haskins's ability to absorb information and (2) he's sensitive to that stuff because he's black.
The prologue to that was Carter saying if Haskins put up the numbers that Jones did at Duke, and finished 7th in the ACC in passing, he'd not have been drafted as high as Jones. Etc, etc.
Oddly enough, he later says the Giants made a mistake taking Jones. Not because Haskins was a better choice, but because they needed other better pieces - like a pass rusher. And cites Allen. Further, he suggests that since Eli is the QB this year, and likely more years, that getting talent to fill other needs was more pressing...at least that's how I heard it.
He actually compliments Gettleman for having the courage of his convictions to basically put his career on the line by going with Jones. And even says Gettleman has been in the league for a long time and usually knows what he's doing...
So Carter is sort of all over the map, but very passionate and sensitive to why Haskins slipped.
I just remember reading an article about Carter invoking race into the equation and never watching the full video segment.
This isn't meant to be a defense of Carter, btw. Just trying to capture where he went with the allegation...
It's all yours. I wasn't even referencing Area 51.
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Otherwise, what are we doing here.
And, if we win and continue to win, then ELi will continue to play. If we don't, he won't.
It's not rocket science or even basic physics. You don't need to actually be in Los Alamos to understand that. But, maybe getting a little closer might help.
You have to admit that a 7-9, 8-8 or even 9-7 and missing the playoffs and Jones gets no playing time is just about the worst possible outcome. And probably the most likely
BTW - I appreciate your area 51 joke
It'd be surprising if Jones didn't play at all this season. 2020 is a shoe-in, though.
No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.
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Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.
No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.
See my outline of Carter's remarks above from his show - just FYI.
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Ahem... I believe I was the first to bring an Area 51 reference into this thread... I demand credit!
It's all yours. I wasn't even referencing Area 51.
My bad, I knew someone made in area 51 reference, that's why I thought the los Alamos remark was clever
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Chris Carter called the Chiefs a bunch of racists that would be helpful, too, if we're defending the guy.
No, but I also couldn't find one where he called the Giants a bunch of racists either. I just see dumb headlines, and I thought dumb headlines were consistently frowned upon in these parts.
Didn't Carter directly say the Giants didn't consider Haskins because he was black?
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and here is the more charged segment on the redskins taking haskins (which seems be removed from the official website)
https://twitter.com/ftfonfs1/status/1121739479495127040?lang=en
for those that want to hear what he said
Link - ( New Window )
The "host" is awful, who is that anyway? I like how not liking Haskins is incompetence. He then goes on to say he could have been the #1 pick...
I'm not an expert, but there's a bunch of legitimate reasons why Haskins didn't go #1 overall, too many to name in fact. Just a chickenshit way to drum up a story when you lack the ability to break down why a player might actually fall.
That was a brutal listen, thanks for that, haha
The panel then quoted Giants general manager Dave Gettleman, who claimed he fell in “full bloom love” with Jones after three series at the Senior Bowl, implying that’s all they needed to choose the white player over the black player.
I don’t know what else to say. It sounded pretty damn clear to me and it wasn’t a slip up, he makes several references to race being the motivator, in fact.
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?
I ask, because it's not clear...
and here is the more charged segment on the redskins taking haskins (which seems be removed from the official website)
https://twitter.com/ftfonfs1/status/1121739479495127040?lang=en
for those that want to hear what he said
I reviewed those earlier and posted my comments about these about an hour ago. Your second link is pretty harmless by Carter. Essentially says Jones was a reach, but DG has been doing this for a while, and his legacy will be tied to Carter.
The first link, like I mentioned earlier, Carter's tipping point is that he heard something about Haskin's not have the ability to comprehend, and that's why he fell. Not sure what that sourcing was/is, but that was the genesis...
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Who is the source for a "guy can't comprehend"? The default seems to be that it's the Giants. Fine...but based on what?
Are you trying to imply that he's not bringing race into the discussion, because I'm getting that general feeling. Or at least putting forth a great effort to minimize his statements.
Gotta cross enemy lines here. Although not directly stated, it clear in the conversation between the two of them that they strongly imply that the Giants prefer the white quarterback.
Are you trying to imply that he's not bringing race into the discussion, because I'm getting that general feeling. Or at least putting forth a great effort to minimize his statements.
No, not at all. Of course he is...
Like I said, I'm not sure if he's saying the Giants said Haskins would struggle with comprehension or if he was just making a general remark why he think Haskins fell.
If it's the latter, and based on what Carter says later in the segment about DG, he may not have been directly pointing the race card at the Giants. I just don't know.
The co host definitely points it at the Giants direction though.
The co host definitely points it at the Giants direction though.
Totally agree with that. Nick Wright, the co-host, seems more intent on directly accusing the Giants...