“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
So... neither of those quotes directly accuse the Giants of not drafting Haskins because he's black. You can disagree with his overall "If he were ______ then he would ______" argument if you'd like (though don't clutch your pearls over it too tightly, because that same type of argument is made all the time here, including on this very thread). But there's no direct "The Giants in particular drafted Jones instead of Haskins because they hate the idea of a black QB" statement anywhere.
“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?
I ask, because it's not clear...
He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.
I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
Twats. Stop the fucking madness. The guy the Giants drafted at 6 was under enormous pressure in his first NFL action because of the media circus surrounding the pick. He handled it by being fucking perfect and ending his day by throwing a perfect TD to the pylon. At least admit the pressure he was under perform. Some of you must never get laid or have something stuck up your ass. We should be universally happy as fans of the team.
“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?
I ask, because it's not clear...
He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.
I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?
I ask, because it's not clear...
He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.
I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
I think it depends on what the meaning of “is” is.
Curses for sending me down any sort of Cris Carter rabbit hole, even one that is only consuming 5 minutes because these are so easy to find, but I can only imagine how pissed we'd be here if Jones has a Mahomesish week 1 debut and Carter reacts like this:
https://youtu.be/POOWQB-XtG4
Now I recognize that this isn't an exact clone of what he said about Jones but can we at least put the "He'd never express any "pump the brakes" thoughts like that about any non Giant quarterback!!" thing to rest?
He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.
I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
I can see why people jumped on Carter. Especially if you relied solely on the print media because they made it sound as if Carter directly said all of Jints Central are racists.
But it you watched the segment and listened carefully, it's just not that clear. Carter's disgust is driven by some information that Haskins was considered less capable because of some intellect concern. And that was the catalyst that dropped Haskins out of the top ten.
Bookend that with Carter later praising DG, it's a lot sketchier if Carter was actually calling DG a racist for the Jones pick...
“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
So... neither of those quotes directly accuse the Giants of not drafting Haskins because he's black. You can disagree with his overall "If he were ______ then he would ______" argument if you'd like (though don't clutch your pearls over it too tightly, because that same type of argument is made all the time here, including on this very thread). But there's no direct "The Giants in particular drafted Jones instead of Haskins because they hate the idea of a black QB" statement anywhere.
It's about as direct as you can get without naming the Giants. I mean, nobody else picked a white guy from Duke with those stats in the first round.
He's saying the Giants wouldn't have picked Jones if everything else (school, stats, etc) were the same about him but you changed his name to Haskins and made him black instead of white. How can you take that as anything other than an accusation of racism?
But he didn't specifically limit it to the Giants Â
He actually said no one I first round and possibly even the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft would have drafted him.
The headlines from the tabloidy websites we had no problem dismissing when they'd write about OBJ's issues made it sound as though Carter was ranting and raving like he was bitten by a radioactive Steven A Smith. This very thread also acts as though he's just incredulous about any credit Jones is getting, and that he's holding him to some standard he'd apply to no one else merely because he lost to us nearly two decades ago. The reality seems very different.
that Carter was jumping on the growing bandwagon that was perplexed by Haskins sudden fall during the draft and the few weeks leading up to it. I remember these articles because the Giants were thought to be interested in Haskins. The idea of racial bias came up in a few of them, but not directed towards any one team.
I still don't think that Carter has some axe to grind about Jones, or that he's offering some criticism of Jones' TD pass that he wouldn't offer in any other QB analysis because of this axe, but I guess we'll find out if Jones winds up being good enough to afford Carter multiple opportunities to.
if you want to discuss race -- discuss it somewhere else -- this is not the forum to discuss it. Those of you who wish to continue such a discussion will be banned.
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
So... neither of those quotes directly accuse the Giants of not drafting Haskins because he's black. You can disagree with his overall "If he were ______ then he would ______" argument if you'd like (though don't clutch your pearls over it too tightly, because that same type of argument is made all the time here, including on this very thread). But there's no direct "The Giants in particular drafted Jones instead of Haskins because they hate the idea of a black QB" statement anywhere.
The co host definitely points it at the Giants direction though.
Yeah, the co host is actually much more pointed in his commentary.
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?
I ask, because it's not clear...
He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.
I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?
I ask, because it's not clear...
He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.
I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
He certainly implied they were.
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
Right. I referenced this above. So who was saying Haskins can't comprehend (Carter's source)?
I ask, because it's not clear...
He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.
I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
I think it depends on what the meaning of “is” is.
https://youtu.be/POOWQB-XtG4
Now I recognize that this isn't an exact clone of what he said about Jones but can we at least put the "He'd never express any "pump the brakes" thoughts like that about any non Giant quarterback!!" thing to rest?
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He definitely doesn't seem to be singling out the Giants as the source of that comment. Unless there IS some reference of the Giants actually indicating that was a reason they didn't draft Haskins.
I see Carter's argument as less about the Giants taking someone because he was white, and more about how if Haskins had put up Jones' numbers on a team that finished with Duke's record, he wouldn't have gone in the first round. Hell, he even says day 2. But because we've got a worse persecution complex as Giants fans than we accuse Carter of having about racial issues, we actually think he called the Giants racist for their choice.
I can see why people jumped on Carter. Especially if you relied solely on the print media because they made it sound as if Carter directly said all of Jints Central are racists.
But it you watched the segment and listened carefully, it's just not that clear. Carter's disgust is driven by some information that Haskins was considered less capable because of some intellect concern. And that was the catalyst that dropped Haskins out of the top ten.
Bookend that with Carter later praising DG, it's a lot sketchier if Carter was actually calling DG a racist for the Jones pick...
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“I just can’t go on without saying this: If Dwayne Haskins, as an African-American, goes to Duke and puts up those mediocre stats – seventh in the conference. He’s not drafted Day 1 or damn Day 2,” Carter said on “First Things First.” “So when you start talking about ‘a guy can’t comprehend’ – that stuff is racial.”
So... neither of those quotes directly accuse the Giants of not drafting Haskins because he's black. You can disagree with his overall "If he were ______ then he would ______" argument if you'd like (though don't clutch your pearls over it too tightly, because that same type of argument is made all the time here, including on this very thread). But there's no direct "The Giants in particular drafted Jones instead of Haskins because they hate the idea of a black QB" statement anywhere.
It's about as direct as you can get without naming the Giants. I mean, nobody else picked a white guy from Duke with those stats in the first round.
He's saying the Giants wouldn't have picked Jones if everything else (school, stats, etc) were the same about him but you changed his name to Haskins and made him black instead of white. How can you take that as anything other than an accusation of racism?
The headlines from the tabloidy websites we had no problem dismissing when they'd write about OBJ's issues made it sound as though Carter was ranting and raving like he was bitten by a radioactive Steven A Smith. This very thread also acts as though he's just incredulous about any credit Jones is getting, and that he's holding him to some standard he'd apply to no one else merely because he lost to us nearly two decades ago. The reality seems very different.
I still don't think that Carter has some axe to grind about Jones, or that he's offering some criticism of Jones' TD pass that he wouldn't offer in any other QB analysis because of this axe, but I guess we'll find out if Jones winds up being good enough to afford Carter multiple opportunities to.