Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
#Mets starters have posted an 11-2 record with a 2.36 ERA (35 ER/133.2 innings) with 34 walks & 143 strikeouts over their last 21 outings.
The starting staff's 2.36 ERA is the second-lowest in MLB & the lowest in the NL. Only the Astros (2.17) have a lower mark in the majors.
Deesha
@DeeshaThosar
Fans are already lining up at the gates and sitting by the 🍎 ... First pitch is over four hours away away. The #Mets faithful are somethin else.
(I have a connection with the organization.) I'm a true Yankees fan but I hope you guys don't mind my posting while I'm rooting with you. This has been fun so I may keep the Mets as my second team even though for years I've hated on people who root for both.
Anyway, assuming it's ok for me to be here, how do you guys feel about Rosario batting second? Would you prefer a lineup that started McNeill/Alonso/Conforto? Just curious to how you guys see it.
Personally, I like Rosario in the first or second hole. I feel hes protected better and Id clearly hitting better. McNeil is great for the lead off position because he gets on base so much but Id almost rather have him hit second or third because he can drive in a lot more runs. If Nimmo returns healthy, hed be the perfect lead off guy because of his OBP.
(I have a connection with the organization.) I'm a true Yankees fan but I hope you guys don't mind my posting while I'm rooting with you. This has been fun so I may keep the Mets as my second team even though for years I've hated on people who root for both.
Anyway, assuming it's ok for me to be here, how do you guys feel about Rosario batting second? Would you prefer a lineup that started McNeill/Alonso/Conforto? Just curious to how you guys see it.
Welcome!
I err to the SABR side where your best hitter bats 2nd, etc. but Rosario has been so hot over the second half it really doesnt matter right now. As long as Rosario stays hot, he can stay in the 2 hole. It lengthens our lineup. I do think we Nimmo is back Rosario probably moves back down again, but we'll see!
We've been hoping that developed so we could get some athleticism at the top of the order and lately his walk/k rates have been everything you could want. If those stay pretty steady he could stick in the 2 spot long term even if he cools off and not as many hits fall. He's obviously in a peak right now making a ton of hard contact and there will be some valleys too - so need to see what the floor looks like.
RE: Welcome Mike! The more the merrier. Happy to have you here.
Personally, I like Rosario in the first or second hole. I feel hes protected better and Id clearly hitting better. McNeil is great for the lead off position because he gets on base so much but Id almost rather have him hit second or third because he can drive in a lot more runs. If Nimmo returns healthy, hed be the perfect lead off guy because of his OBP.
If Nimmo comes back I would almost prefer McNeil hitting 6th because he is a disciplined hitter and whoever bats before Frazier and Ramos arent going to get pitches to hit.
Imagine a lineup as folllows:
Nimmo
Rosario
Alonso
Conforto
Davis
McNeil
Frazier
Ramos
If you play Smith over Davis your 3-4-5 could be Conforto-Alonso-Smith
I like Conforto #3 seeing better pitches w Alonso #4 behind him
when Nimmo comes back I'd probably ease him into the back half of the lineup (5/6/7) until he gets into a groove. If he does then you can potentially swap him up to 1 or 2. Or just ride whoever the hot hands are 1&2 between Mcneil/Nimmo/Rosario so there are guys getting on ahead of Conforto/Alonso.
a tear but he was also slumping for quite some time before he got hurt. Im still not quite sure what he is. Also, hes a man without a position.
I like Conforto - Alonso - Smith as the 3 4 5 hitters. I think Conforto gains the most from the protection and Davis is holding his own up and down the lineup. Ramos and Frazier arent great hitters but they arent awful. And they have some power. But Frazier will be gone after this year anyway. The bottom third of the lineup is a black hole that needs to be addressed. I prefer McNeil in the infield anyway.
I doubt arc switches back lol. And don't worry, I know this is your guys' team and I'm more of a bystander.
Btw, on the Yankees threads we have a few "fans" who just love to shit on our players, especially Sanchez and Stanton. Do you guys have that or is that just an obnoxious Yankees fan thing?
I also think Smith has completely lost his job in 2019
LF is Davis's to lose. No way you can sit him with the offense he's provided. That said, we still need Smith back. Having a lefty bat with pop off the bench would be huge right now.
Next year... After Smith spends an offseason learning CO better, I think we will have a very interesting ST with Davis, Cespedes, and Dom essentially all fighting for one spot with the losers becoming the backup CO.
I doubt arc switches back lol. And don't worry, I know this is your guys' team and I'm more of a bystander.
Btw, on the Yankees threads we have a few "fans" who just love to shit on our players, especially Sanchez and Stanton. Do you guys have that or is that just an obnoxious Yankees fan thing?
Ramos gets a little of that. Vargas did, but he's gone. Rosario did, but he took care of it by raising his play. Then there's Diaz and Familia.
Not sure I'd want the best hitter on the team hitting 6th though. I'd probably go:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 2B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis LF
6.) Rosario SS
7.) Ramos C
8.) Frazier 3B
Or keep Rosario in the 2 hole and push everyone down a spot.
How does your lineup change next year without Frazier?
Frazier is a FA so he won't be back. Cano will return though so that will move McNeil to 3B. Also, broken ankle for Cespedes or not, he should be back by ST in some compacity. So my lineup would be:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis/Cespedes/Smith LF
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Ramos C
8.) Rosario SS
Or again slot Rosario 2nd and move everyone down a spot. Thats a very deep lineup and when you factor 2 of Cespedes/Smith/Davis are going to be on the bench PLUS Lowrie... We really dont have to do anything heading into next year there.
Ramos has done a great job with men on so im good w/ him 6th or lower
his D sucks but he can hit and his track record with RISP has enough evidence that it doesn't seem like coincidence. Frazier is a threat and the 8th spot doesn't really matter, to me whoever hits there is more a function of the defense being deployed. I'm a fan of not having to play Conforto in CF so my ideal lineup right now would be:
McNeil (2B)
Rosario
Conforto
Alonso
Davis (LF)
Ramos
Frazier
Lagares (CF)
When Nimmo gets back you put him in CF and hit him 6th or 7th until he pushes himself up. When Dom comes back he can mix in whenever Davis/Alonso need days off. I really hope Panik catches lightning in a bottle but I'm skeptical he'll do enough to justify playing over Lagares.
Not sure I'd want the best hitter on the team hitting 6th though. I'd probably go:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 2B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis LF
6.) Rosario SS
7.) Ramos C
8.) Frazier 3B
Or keep Rosario in the 2 hole and push everyone down a spot.
How does your lineup change next year without Frazier?
Frazier is a FA so he won't be back. Cano will return though so that will move McNeil to 3B. Also, broken ankle for Cespedes or not, he should be back by ST in some compacity. So my lineup would be:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis/Cespedes/Smith LF
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Ramos C
8.) Rosario SS
Or again slot Rosario 2nd and move everyone down a spot. Thats a very deep lineup and when you factor 2 of Cespedes/Smith/Davis are going to be on the bench PLUS Lowrie... We really dont have to do anything heading into next year there.
That is a stacked lineup. Guess just need BP this offseason.
Mcneil has been good everywhere he has played defensively
he's moved around so much (including game to game) the numbers aren't all that meaningful. In a very Zobrist-esque way he has just been a solid defender everywhere. He might be the best defensive player on the team regardless of where he plays any given night. So to me, why not put him at the position with the most defensive value and where he's the biggest offensive upgrade? We have a bunch of plus hitting COF'ers - we don't have a bunch of plus 2B.
I doubt arc switches back lol. And don't worry, I know this is your guys' team and I'm more of a bystander.
Btw, on the Yankees threads we have a few "fans" who just love to shit on our players, especially Sanchez and Stanton. Do you guys have that or is that just an obnoxious Yankees fan thing?
Definitely a "baseball thing". Every year there are Mets targets that get more hate than they should and it's usually some of our best players. People love to hate on Syndergaard when he's going through any sort of struggle... Wheeler too.. Ive seen Mets fans get on Conforto for being "un-clutch". Nimmo still gets called a "4th OF" in spite of his amazing 2018 season. Obviously, Cano gets a ton of hate this year, although its clearly due to his underperformance.
RE: Mcneil has been good everywhere he has played defensively
he's moved around so much (including game to game) the numbers aren't all that meaningful. In a very Zobrist-esque way he has just been a solid defender everywhere. He might be the best defensive player on the team regardless of where he plays any given night. So to me, why not put him at the position with the most defensive value and where he's the biggest offensive upgrade? We have a bunch of plus hitting COF'ers - we don't have a bunch of plus 2B.
True but we also arent pulling the plug on Cano yet and 3B should be wide open so it works out.
Yeah my offseason would literally be to re-sign Wheeler
he's moved around so much (including game to game) the numbers aren't all that meaningful. In a very Zobrist-esque way he has just been a solid defender everywhere. He might be the best defensive player on the team regardless of where he plays any given night. So to me, why not put him at the position with the most defensive value and where he's the biggest offensive upgrade? We have a bunch of plus hitting COF'ers - we don't have a bunch of plus 2B.
True but we also arent pulling the plug on Cano yet and 3B should be wide open so it works out.
For this year it would be a shock if Cano gets back and has time to get himself into game shape. His injury may already be a blessing and the second Nimmo is healthy, Cano in the lineup would have meant JD Davis on the bench.
Next year I'm sure they'll give Cano another shot at 2nd and Mcneil will probably go to 3rd but that doesn't matter right now.
he's moved around so much (including game to game) the numbers aren't all that meaningful. In a very Zobrist-esque way he has just been a solid defender everywhere. He might be the best defensive player on the team regardless of where he plays any given night. So to me, why not put him at the position with the most defensive value and where he's the biggest offensive upgrade? We have a bunch of plus hitting COF'ers - we don't have a bunch of plus 2B.
True but we also arent pulling the plug on Cano yet and 3B should be wide open so it works out.
For this year it would be a shock if Cano gets back and has time to get himself into game shape. His injury may already be a blessing and the second Nimmo is healthy, Cano in the lineup would have meant JD Davis on the bench.
Next year I'm sure they'll give Cano another shot at 2nd and Mcneil will probably go to 3rd but that doesn't matter right now.
Yup. I thought we were talking about next year? In any event, agreed.
I actually see Cano coming back this year but as a dangerous bat off the bench. Playoffs are still almost 2 month away. Let's say, he's 90% ready... Wouldn't you want that swing on the bench late in the game? And with off days and a shorter rotation your bench is longer so you can keep a guy like that on it. Just a guess.
He's a hybrid of Zobrist/Pedroia. Which is pretty freaking spectacular. As good as all of the young hitters have been, he'd probably still be the 1 I'd choose first if I had to pick 1 since he plays the harder positions to fill.
Ryder
@TimothyRRyder
J.D. Davis' second-half 193 wRC+ leads all qualified NL hitters, with a healthy smattering of Mets hot on his trail.. (via @fangraphs) #LFGM #YGFB #LGM
has he had a monster game if not stretch of games yet? Multi HR, 3-4-5 hits, big RBI numbers? Not complaining just saying there's still a higher ceiling that's likely on it's way in spite of so much success already
I know we are facing a lefty tonight but I hate the lineup change.
Just keep Conforto in front of Alonso. Conforto can hold his own against lefties. I just dont get it. This is where living by advanced stats ruins the game for me.
Just keep Conforto in front of Alonso. Conforto can hold his own against lefties. I just dont get it. This is where living by advanced stats ruins the game for me.
As I was saying...
I HATE that this sport is ruled by advanced stats.
Noah isnt fooling anyone tonight. Mats have a pesky lineup
Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
#Mets starters have posted an 11-2 record with a 2.36 ERA (35 ER/133.2 innings) with 34 walks & 143 strikeouts over their last 21 outings.
The starting staff's 2.36 ERA is the second-lowest in MLB & the lowest in the NL. Only the Astros (2.17) have a lower mark in the majors.
@MBrownstein89
Noah Syndergaard has thrown 38.1 innings without allowing a HR since the third inning of his start on July 6.
It's currently the longest active streak in the NL & second-longest in the majors (trails the Angels' Taylor Cole, 52.2 innings). #Mets #LGM
@DeeshaThosar
Fans are already lining up at the gates and sitting by the 🍎 ... First pitch is over four hours away away. The #Mets faithful are somethin else.
Anyway, assuming it's ok for me to be here, how do you guys feel about Rosario batting second? Would you prefer a lineup that started McNeill/Alonso/Conforto? Just curious to how you guys see it.
Trea Turner SS
Adam Eaton RF
Anthony Rendon 3B
Juan Soto LF
Matt Adams 1B
Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
Victor Robles CF
Yan Gomes C
Patrick Corbin P
Anyway, assuming it's ok for me to be here, how do you guys feel about Rosario batting second? Would you prefer a lineup that started McNeill/Alonso/Conforto? Just curious to how you guys see it.
Welcome!
I err to the SABR side where your best hitter bats 2nd, etc. but Rosario has been so hot over the second half it really doesnt matter right now. As long as Rosario stays hot, he can stay in the 2 hole. It lengthens our lineup. I do think we Nimmo is back Rosario probably moves back down again, but we'll see!
If Nimmo comes back I would almost prefer McNeil hitting 6th because he is a disciplined hitter and whoever bats before Frazier and Ramos arent going to get pitches to hit.
Imagine a lineup as folllows:
Nimmo
Rosario
Alonso
Conforto
Davis
McNeil
Frazier
Ramos
If you play Smith over Davis your 3-4-5 could be Conforto-Alonso-Smith
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 2B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis LF
6.) Rosario SS
7.) Ramos C
8.) Frazier 3B
Or keep Rosario in the 2 hole and push everyone down a spot.
I like Conforto - Alonso - Smith as the 3 4 5 hitters. I think Conforto gains the most from the protection and Davis is holding his own up and down the lineup. Ramos and Frazier arent great hitters but they arent awful. And they have some power. But Frazier will be gone after this year anyway. The bottom third of the lineup is a black hole that needs to be addressed. I prefer McNeil in the infield anyway.
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 2B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis LF
6.) Rosario SS
7.) Ramos C
8.) Frazier 3B
Or keep Rosario in the 2 hole and push everyone down a spot.
How does your lineup change next year without Frazier?
Btw, on the Yankees threads we have a few "fans" who just love to shit on our players, especially Sanchez and Stanton. Do you guys have that or is that just an obnoxious Yankees fan thing?
Next year... After Smith spends an offseason learning CO better, I think we will have a very interesting ST with Davis, Cespedes, and Dom essentially all fighting for one spot with the losers becoming the backup CO.
Btw, on the Yankees threads we have a few "fans" who just love to shit on our players, especially Sanchez and Stanton. Do you guys have that or is that just an obnoxious Yankees fan thing?
Ramos gets a little of that. Vargas did, but he's gone. Rosario did, but he took care of it by raising his play. Then there's Diaz and Familia.
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Not sure I'd want the best hitter on the team hitting 6th though. I'd probably go:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 2B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis LF
6.) Rosario SS
7.) Ramos C
8.) Frazier 3B
Or keep Rosario in the 2 hole and push everyone down a spot.
How does your lineup change next year without Frazier?
Frazier is a FA so he won't be back. Cano will return though so that will move McNeil to 3B. Also, broken ankle for Cespedes or not, he should be back by ST in some compacity. So my lineup would be:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis/Cespedes/Smith LF
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Ramos C
8.) Rosario SS
Or again slot Rosario 2nd and move everyone down a spot. Thats a very deep lineup and when you factor 2 of Cespedes/Smith/Davis are going to be on the bench PLUS Lowrie... We really dont have to do anything heading into next year there.
McNeil (2B)
Rosario
Conforto
Alonso
Davis (LF)
Ramos
Frazier
Lagares (CF)
When Nimmo gets back you put him in CF and hit him 6th or 7th until he pushes himself up. When Dom comes back he can mix in whenever Davis/Alonso need days off. I really hope Panik catches lightning in a bottle but I'm skeptical he'll do enough to justify playing over Lagares.
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Not sure I'd want the best hitter on the team hitting 6th though. I'd probably go:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 2B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis LF
6.) Rosario SS
7.) Ramos C
8.) Frazier 3B
Or keep Rosario in the 2 hole and push everyone down a spot.
How does your lineup change next year without Frazier?
Frazier is a FA so he won't be back. Cano will return though so that will move McNeil to 3B. Also, broken ankle for Cespedes or not, he should be back by ST in some compacity. So my lineup would be:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Davis/Cespedes/Smith LF
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Ramos C
8.) Rosario SS
Or again slot Rosario 2nd and move everyone down a spot. Thats a very deep lineup and when you factor 2 of Cespedes/Smith/Davis are going to be on the bench PLUS Lowrie... We really dont have to do anything heading into next year there.
That is a stacked lineup. Guess just need BP this offseason.
Btw, on the Yankees threads we have a few "fans" who just love to shit on our players, especially Sanchez and Stanton. Do you guys have that or is that just an obnoxious Yankees fan thing?
Definitely a "baseball thing". Every year there are Mets targets that get more hate than they should and it's usually some of our best players. People love to hate on Syndergaard when he's going through any sort of struggle... Wheeler too.. Ive seen Mets fans get on Conforto for being "un-clutch". Nimmo still gets called a "4th OF" in spite of his amazing 2018 season. Obviously, Cano gets a ton of hate this year, although its clearly due to his underperformance.
True but we also arent pulling the plug on Cano yet and 3B should be wide open so it works out.
With the kids maturing another year, a bunch of guys coming back from injuries, plus those two moves, I think we are a stacked team coming into 20.
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he's moved around so much (including game to game) the numbers aren't all that meaningful. In a very Zobrist-esque way he has just been a solid defender everywhere. He might be the best defensive player on the team regardless of where he plays any given night. So to me, why not put him at the position with the most defensive value and where he's the biggest offensive upgrade? We have a bunch of plus hitting COF'ers - we don't have a bunch of plus 2B.
True but we also arent pulling the plug on Cano yet and 3B should be wide open so it works out.
For this year it would be a shock if Cano gets back and has time to get himself into game shape. His injury may already be a blessing and the second Nimmo is healthy, Cano in the lineup would have meant JD Davis on the bench.
Next year I'm sure they'll give Cano another shot at 2nd and Mcneil will probably go to 3rd but that doesn't matter right now.
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he's moved around so much (including game to game) the numbers aren't all that meaningful. In a very Zobrist-esque way he has just been a solid defender everywhere. He might be the best defensive player on the team regardless of where he plays any given night. So to me, why not put him at the position with the most defensive value and where he's the biggest offensive upgrade? We have a bunch of plus hitting COF'ers - we don't have a bunch of plus 2B.
True but we also arent pulling the plug on Cano yet and 3B should be wide open so it works out.
For this year it would be a shock if Cano gets back and has time to get himself into game shape. His injury may already be a blessing and the second Nimmo is healthy, Cano in the lineup would have meant JD Davis on the bench.
Next year I'm sure they'll give Cano another shot at 2nd and Mcneil will probably go to 3rd but that doesn't matter right now.
Yup. I thought we were talking about next year? In any event, agreed.
I actually see Cano coming back this year but as a dangerous bat off the bench. Playoffs are still almost 2 month away. Let's say, he's 90% ready... Wouldn't you want that swing on the bench late in the game? And with off days and a shorter rotation your bench is longer so you can keep a guy like that on it. Just a guess.
He's a hybrid of Zobrist/Pedroia. Which is pretty freaking spectacular. As good as all of the young hitters have been, he'd probably still be the 1 I'd choose first if I had to pick 1 since he plays the harder positions to fill.
He feels burned that in the offseason we chose Lowrie over him. Guess there were discussions going on around the same time there.
Watch out for him tonight.
@TimothyRRyder
J.D. Davis' second-half 193 wRC+ leads all qualified NL hitters, with a healthy smattering of Mets hot on his trail.. (via @fangraphs) #LFGM #YGFB #LGM
That homer put him in the ring of honor. What a big hit. Todd can still mash against lefties
That homer put him in the ring of honor. What a big hit. Todd can still mash against lefties
It was a thing of beauty! Was sitting between the plate and first base. Watching it sail deep into the night was gorgeous!
I think he is filming a buddy movie with Jacoby Ellsbury.
Day to day
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Is he going to appear on the scene anytine this season?
Day to day
He reinjured himself carrying a heavy suitcase of money to the bank
Crazy win.
Also, Henry Hops IPA has my full support. Tremendous beer.
As I was saying...
I HATE that this sport is ruled by advanced stats.