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YANKEE28 : 8/11/2019 9:08 am
Expect to see Gleybor Torres back in the lineup today.

Yankees PR Dept.

Today, the Yankees placed LHP Stephen Tarpley on the 10-day IL with a left shoulder impingement, signed RHP Brady Lail and LHP Joe Mantiply to Major League contracts and selected them to the 25-man roster from
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and transferred OF Giancarlo Stanton to the 60-day IL.

Yankees PR Dept.

Roster Moves: Following Saturdayís game, the Yankees optioned INF Breyvic Valera to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre...
So Stanton  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2019 9:27 am : link
Is basically out for the season? My God that contract is gonna suck to carry for the next decade.
Good for Lail  
davek3698 : 8/11/2019 9:28 am : link
Long time in the system now. Successful transition to the bullpen last year.
Stanton has been a disaster  
micky : 8/11/2019 9:30 am : link
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great to see  
YANKEE28 : 8/11/2019 9:41 am : link
a home grown talent like Lail make it to the big leagues.

He was killing it in relief for AA Trenton this year. ERA of 1.93 and 41 Ks in the 28 innings he pitched.

He was promoted to the AAA Scranton bullpen and averaged a K per inning in his 11 innings of work. So he made it to the Majors at age 25.
the Stanton thing means nothing, right?  
wigs in nyc : 8/11/2019 9:42 am : link
just that it opens up a 40-man spot.

Earliest he can return now is August 25, but we werenít going to see him before that anyway.
RE: great to see  
Mike in NY : 8/11/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14526635 YANKEE28 said:
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a home grown talent like Lail make it to the big leagues.

He was killing it in relief for AA Trenton this year. ERA of 1.93 and 41 Ks in the 28 innings he pitched.

He was promoted to the AAA Scranton bullpen and averaged a K per inning in his 11 innings of work. So he made it to the Majors at age 25.


Technically 26 since his birthday was August 9
RE: So Stanton  
rich in DC : 8/11/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14526626 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Is basically out for the season? My God that contract is gonna suck to carry for the next decade.


No, this is just a procedural move. it is not 60 days from now- all time spent on the DL prior to the move counts toward the 60 days.

Stanton has been on the DL since he was injured back on June 25. In other words, he has been on the DL for roughly 45 days or so. This just means that they don't expect him back for at least another 15 days.

Given that he is just resuming baseball activities, and he will need minor league ABs, I think this is the Yanks just admitting that he will be a post-September 1 call-up and to be able to use the roster spot until then.
RE: the Stanton thing means nothing, right?  
BC Eagles94 : 8/11/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14526637 wigs in nyc said:
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just that it opens up a 40-man spot.

Earliest he can return now is August 25, but we werenít going to see him before that anyway.


Exactly. This transfer to 60 day IL is just housekeeping on Yanks end, is nothing we didn't already know with his return. Will hopefully be back next month, but he sure as heck wasn't returning in less than 2 weeks.
RE: great to see  
rich in DC : 8/11/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14526635 YANKEE28 said:
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a home grown talent like Lail make it to the big leagues.

He was killing it in relief for AA Trenton this year. ERA of 1.93 and 41 Ks in the 28 innings he pitched.

He was promoted to the AAA Scranton bullpen and averaged a K per inning in his 11 innings of work. So he made it to the Majors at age 25.


it is a nice move for a guy who has stuck it out for a LONG time in the system. Drafted out of a Utah HS in 2012, he has put in the time- couldn't cut it at AAA as a SP, but has become an effective long man, able to go multiple innings successfully.

That has real value to the Yanks right now, as they likely hope that he can come in on the bullpen start days and give them 2-3 innings. He will likely be on the shuttle between AAA and NY until September.

I think this is a nice move for a guy who has done all he could for the organization. I can't see him holding onto the roster spot when the guys on the 60 day DL begin to come back (Stanton, Sevy, Betances, etc.), but for the rest of his life, he will be able to say "i'm Brady Lail, major league pitcher."
just a couple interesting notes from the minors last night  
rich in DC : 8/11/2019 10:37 am : link
Michael King made a much better start last night in AA than his prior disasterous outing. He went 5 and 2/3, gave up 6 hits, no walks, 2 ER and 3K. He might not build up enough endurance and arm strength to be useful this season, but it is encouraging to see him out there after it looked like he might end up with TJ.

In one of those dream moments for a low A ball SP, the Yanks called up Josh Maciejewski from low A Charleston to AAA SWB to make a start last night- and he went 6 strong innings, giving up 5 hits, 1 walk and 1 ER, with 6 K. He did not get a decision. He is a guy who was an 18th round draft pick last year and had exactly 2 starts above the short season SI team. He is the classic junk-balling lefty, so it is unclear if he has a future or not in the system, but this might be his career highlight. If it is, good for him.

Last year's 2nd round pick, power hitting C Josh Breaux, who has been on the DL since May 21 cam back last night- and of course, he hit a HR to give him 8 HR in 127 ABs with a .299 BA. Lots of swing and miss still in his game, and he doesn't walk much- but he is a hitter. If C doesn't work out, he has a rocket arm that would play in the OF, if he has the athleticism to play there.

This season's 1st rounder, Anthony Volpe, who is playing in short season Pulaski (Appy league) may be hitting .216 for the season in 116 ABs, but he has found something in his last 37 ABs, as during that stretch, he is hitting .297, with 7 walks against 9 K, 4 SB, 8 runs scored.
RE: the Stanton thing means nothing, right?  
Beer Man : 8/11/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14526637 wigs in nyc said:
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just that it opens up a 40-man spot.

Earliest he can return now is August 25, but we werenít going to see him before that anyway.
True. The reports have been Stanton will return sometime in September
RE: the Stanton thing means nothing, right?  
Carson53 : 8/11/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14526637 wigs in nyc said:
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just that it opens up a 40-man spot.

Earliest he can return now is August 25, but we werenít going to see him before that anyway.
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That is correctumundo. He wouldn't be ready until Sept.
anyways according to Cash.
This will be a recurring theme with stanton  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2019 12:20 pm : link
strikes me as a guy thatís already started to age poorly and will probably be a half a season player for the bulk of the rest of the contract.

The good news is if Tauchman is for real it offsets the costs. Same with Gio.
RE: great to see  
Jay in Toronto : 8/11/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14526635 YANKEE28 said:
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So he made it to the Majors at age 25.


Nest Ron Guidry?????
RE: This will be a recurring theme with stanton  
Carson53 : 8/11/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14526753 UConn4523 said:
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strikes me as a guy thatís already started to age poorly and will probably be a half a season player for the bulk of the rest of the contract.

The good news is if Tauchman is for real it offsets the costs. Same with Gio.
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You can feel like I do, and hope he opts out after next season (but I'm not holding my breath)...
Haha  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2019 12:31 pm : link
Iíd love it but canít think of a reason why he would.
Tauchman for MVP.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/11/2019 12:49 pm : link
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RE: RE: This will be a recurring theme with stanton  
GruningsOnTheHill : 8/11/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14526763 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14526753 UConn4523 said:


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strikes me as a guy thatís already started to age poorly and will probably be a half a season player for the bulk of the rest of the contract.

The good news is if Tauchman is for real it offsets the costs. Same with Gio.

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You can feel like I do, and hope he opts out after next season (but I'm not holding my breath)...


Me too. The strikeouts (and the injuries) mitigate the monster home runs he hits every 3 games or so. How often do those 20 million per year/10-year contracts work out? Can you imagine if the Yankees had signed Manny Machado? Some guy named Gio Urshela has a higher BA, OPS, and slugging than Machado.

It would be great if Stanton were to opt out and the Yankees could put that $$ toward pitching.
YANKEES WIN!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
Nice to get the win here. Not that we needed with an 8.5 game lead, but still nice to win a divisional game. Great outing from Tanaka, too.

36 games over .500!
Magic #  
Ryan in Albany : 8/11/2019 3:54 pm : link
37.

Nice W.
Notice Guerrero was not pumping his fist today  
Stan in LA : 8/11/2019 3:55 pm : link
Too bad...
RE: Notice Guerrero was not pumping his fist today  
section125 : 8/11/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14526933 Stan in LA said:
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Too bad...


He didn't but that was a great AB. Kid has talent and will be something to deal with for many years if he doesn't eat himself out of baseball. You can see he is naturally big. but the waist is too much for a 20 y/o not playing football on the line.
With Bichette and Biggio the have a pretty nice base building there.

But as to Stanton, he twisted that knee rounding second. It happens. A bit of a stumble and damaged trying to keep from falling.
He has started hitting off a tee and some other baseball activities. If they get him by mid September he will be fine.
Good win.  
Mike from SI : 8/11/2019 4:23 pm : link
Just need to keep banking Ws.
small miracle - Baltimore came back to beat Houston -  
Del Shofner : 8/11/2019 5:39 pm : link
so we picked up a game there.
Right now  
Marty866b : 8/11/2019 6:36 pm : link
Stanton missing is addition by subtraction. Who would you rather have up in a crucial at bat in the 9th inning, Stanton or Tauchman? It really is incredible but is easily Tauchman for me.
.  
Bill2 : 8/11/2019 6:55 pm : link
Can anyone explain why so many just wont give Stanton a fair shake or a balanced view?

1) The Yankee players would know best and they think he is a good teammate. So did all his Marlin teammates

2) He plays hard.

3) He is not an ass or diva or disembler like ARod. He is not a shit to fans like say Jeter or Joe D or or or or

4) He is a very good baseball player

5) He makes our line up very long and one that pitchers must not make mistakes

6) He works hard enough to possibly get better. he works hard enough to stay in hitting shape as late into his career as an EE.

7) He does not cost us that much

8) HE is not shirking like a Pavano or Whitson. He did not injure himself on purpose.

9) HE is likely to be a Yankee for a long time.

Why not root for him?
Stanton  
GruningsOnTheHill : 8/11/2019 6:59 pm : link
I will absolutely root for him.

I would just rather see Tauchman at bat in the 9th inning with the game on the line.
i agree  
Bill2 : 8/11/2019 7:08 pm : link
that right now Tauchman is hitting very well.

I also agree that a shorter simpler swing seems better in the clutch.

That said, Stanton has also played well over a lot of years when it came to important moments.

Id love to see both do well over a long time frame. Honestly, to me Tauchman is an ideal 4th OF. With the way we rest players he could get as many plate appearances as any of the OF
Bill2  
Marty866b : 8/11/2019 7:18 pm : link
No Yankee fan will root against any Yankee. That being said, we have more then enough power guys in our lineup who strike out a lot. I just enjoy watching guys like DJM, Gio, and Tauchman who aren't going to flail and strike out in key situations by swinging at bad pitches. IMO, the Yankees don't need Stanton. The Yankees have no options left with Maybin(who has been a terrific fit with this team)so the Yankees would have to send Tauchman down if Stanton returns soon. Again, JMO, this wouldn't help the team. Nothing against Stanton but it is the same as I felt about ARod, I prefer many others players up before them in a big spot.
I donít hate Stanton at all  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2019 7:33 pm : link
he saved us last year and heís a very good player when healthy. I just suspect this isnít the first time he will be missing 60+ games for us. It was a good deal for Cashman, and even he couldnít have predicted some of these breakout players coming up, but I definitely think itís something he now regrets (yes, hindsight is dumb).

Just get better for 2020, Iíd like to see the plus fielding players with hot bats in October (if they stay this way).
Marty  
Bill2 : 8/11/2019 7:55 pm : link
I don't mind trading him compared to other guys, but:

He has a much longer track record than the guys we hope continue their great years.

He may not have greater trade value then they do ( being more cost controlled).

as a side note, I do not believe he has a history of injury prior to this year.

One could reasonably claim that Severino and Betances, Frazier and Sanchez have shown more injuries at an earlier age of the kind which cause instability and vulnerability over time.




RE: Marty  
Mad Mike : 8/11/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14527049 Bill2 said:
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as a side note, I do not believe he has a history of injury prior to this year.

Uh, what? Obviously the hbp isn't a reflection on his durability, but that's far from the only lengthy dl stint he's had prior to this year.
RE: .  
Percy : 8/11/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14527031 Bill2 said:
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Can anyone explain why so many just wont give Stanton a fair shake or a balanced view?

1) The Yankee players would know best and they think he is a good teammate. So did all his Marlin teammates

2) He plays hard.

3) He is not an ass or diva or disembler like ARod. He is not a shit to fans like say Jeter or Joe D or or or or

4) He is a very good baseball player

5) He makes our line up very long and one that pitchers must not make mistakes

6) He works hard enough to possibly get better. he works hard enough to stay in hitting shape as late into his career as an EE.

7) He does not cost us that much

8) HE is not shirking like a Pavano or Whitson. He did not injure himself on purpose.

9) HE is likely to be a Yankee for a long time.

Why not root for him?


Here's the whole reason, Bill: he's absent. Not just striking out and expensive, but absent.
RE: RE: .  
BH28 : 8/11/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14527067 Percy said:
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In comment 14527031 Bill2 said:


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Can anyone explain why so many just wont give Stanton a fair shake or a balanced view?

1) The Yankee players would know best and they think he is a good teammate. So did all his Marlin teammates

2) He plays hard.

3) He is not an ass or diva or disembler like ARod. He is not a shit to fans like say Jeter or Joe D or or or or

4) He is a very good baseball player

5) He makes our line up very long and one that pitchers must not make mistakes

6) He works hard enough to possibly get better. he works hard enough to stay in hitting shape as late into his career as an EE.

7) He does not cost us that much

8) HE is not shirking like a Pavano or Whitson. He did not injure himself on purpose.

9) HE is likely to be a Yankee for a long time.

Why not root for him?



Here's the whole reason, Bill: he's absent. Not just striking out and expensive, but absent.


This is Stanton's 10th year as a pro and besides this one, the only other one he hasn't played in 100+ games was when he was dealing with a hamate break after getting hit by a pitch.
Anyone  
GruningsOnTheHill : 8/11/2019 9:15 pm : link
catch the end of Astros/O's? Go and watch the last inning if you have the MLBô Packageģ.

When I saw it was heading into the 9th with Baltimore up by 1 I turned it on with a passing interest--it would be nice for the Yankees to get home field in the playoffs.

Of course Houston scored 3 runs in the top of the 9th before the Orioles even recorded an out, but I left it on anyway. In the bottom of the 9th, the Orioles got a hit with 1 out, and then the closer (Osuna) inexplicably threw behind the O's catcher and hit the back of his leg as apparent retribution for an earlier HBP. The Houston announcer: "Heh heh heh...I can live with that." Seemed pretty stupid to throw at the guy and thus the tying run on base.

So the intentional HBP puts runners on 1st & 3rd and brings the winning run to the plate with 1 out in the form of Chris Davis, who actually managed to make contact and pop out to short LF. Down two, mind you, the guy on 3rd tagged up and *barely* avoided being thrown out on what would have ended the game. I'm surprised the Astros didn't challenge, because it didn't look like the runner touched the plate, but I'm even more surprised the announcers didn't even mention what a foolish idea it was for the runner to have tagged up in the first place: down by 2, his run didn't matter.

Anyway, the next guy hit a monster HR on a 2-2 hanging breaking pitch that didn't break. O's won 8-7, though Osuna didn't punch himself in the face for having thrown the retribution HBP which resulted in the winning run.
So the Yankees fandom has  
Deejboy : 8/11/2019 11:12 pm : link
decided Stanton is awful, only strikes out, and want him gone and Mike Tauchman is second coming of Mike Trout and want him in big spots. Listen maybe Tauchman really turned the corner of his career at 28 but odds are he will revert back to what he once was a AAAA player. Meanwhile Stanton is capable of putting up 160 plus OPS+ seasons. He is easily one of the great power hitters EVER. But Yankees fans are a what have you done for me lately bunch like most fans.

I laughed at a mlbtraderumors post that once said if Cashman ever listened to Yankees fans they would probably be dead last lol.
Stanton is an asset  
adamg : 8/11/2019 11:39 pm : link
Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy.

That said, that doesn't mean Stanton NEEDS to be a Yankee. We could include him in a deal for a front end starter. We could also include other players in that deal. It depends on how Cash evaluates the players and the deals that are on the table.

I like Stanton. He's better than Tauchman. No question. But, if Tauchman's 2019 isn't a mirage, he may be an asset too. It's really a question of asset management and what other teams value.

But yeah, there are some dumb Yankees fans. But Yankees fans aren't a monolith. There are some smart fans too.
Guys  
Marty866b : 8/12/2019 12:10 am : link
No one has said that Tauchman is better then Stanton. That even sounds ridiculous. What I am saying is that at this juncture, Tauchman appears to be a better fit for this team. This has been a very small sample size but Tauchman and Gio have been incredible and two of the major reasons as to why the Yankees are where they are.
RE: Stanton is an asset  
section125 : 8/12/2019 4:31 am : link
In comment 14527158 adamg said:
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Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy.

That said, that doesn't mean Stanton NEEDS to be a Yankee. We could include him in a deal for a front end starter. We could also include other players in that deal. It depends on how Cash evaluates the players and the deals that are on the table.

I like Stanton. He's better than Tauchman. No question. But, if Tauchman's 2019 isn't a mirage, he may be an asset too. It's really a question of asset management and what other teams value.

But yeah, there are some dumb Yankees fans. But Yankees fans aren't a monolith. There are some smart fans too.


Stanton has a no trade clause. He'd probably accept the Dodgers. Maybe San Diego as they are up and coming. But I doubt he'd go elsewhere.

Tauchman is Gardy part Deux, with a bit more power, and maybe not quite as fast and not sure about fielding, yet.

Right now(and I mean today), he is looks good for being Gardy's replacement. Frazier is still in the running because he is probably still better offensively. But Tauchman is much better in the field.

Now what do the Yanks do next season with Gardner? He was supposed to be part time. But he has played the most games of any Yankee and is playing as well as he ever has, if maybe a miniscule less in the field. Going to be 36. You'd hate to see him playing for someone else, but you cannot impede the progress of the young guys with a player that is year to year.
The Yankees got Stanton for the proverbial bag of balls  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2019 9:02 am : link
precisely because there are next to no teams that are possible landing spots, and that was when he was coming off an MVP season. Two years older and after missing almost the entire season, that certainly isn't going to change.
anyway, regarding Tauchman  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2019 9:07 am : link
He's a good player who can fill a useful role as a 4th OF, but his batted ball profile indicates a guy whose numbers will regress. His exit velocity isn't anything special and he's riding a .369 BAbip, which will almost certainly decline at some point. His all-around game is very solid, but he's hitting above his head right now.
RE: Stanton is an asset  
arcarsenal : 8/12/2019 9:10 am : link
In comment 14527158 adamg said:
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Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy.

That said, that doesn't mean Stanton NEEDS to be a Yankee. We could include him in a deal for a front end starter. We could also include other players in that deal. It depends on how Cash evaluates the players and the deals that are on the table.

I like Stanton. He's better than Tauchman. No question. But, if Tauchman's 2019 isn't a mirage, he may be an asset too. It's really a question of asset management and what other teams value.

But yeah, there are some dumb Yankees fans. But Yankees fans aren't a monolith. There are some smart fans too.


I don't think dealing Stanton for a front-end starter is even a remote possibility.

The argument re: Tauchman/Stanton shouldn't be who the better player is - I think we can safely assume Stanton over the long-haul. It should be which guy presents more value.

Right now, Mike Tauchman is the answer because he's making virtually nothing and is producing in a big way. What he's been over the last month or so is almost certainly not sustainable... but a lot of people thought Luke Voit was going to come crashing down to earth, too. He's on the IL now, but I think most people are now comfortable with the idea that Luke is probably good enough to be a fixture @ 1B for a bit.

I like Stanton; and I don't blame him for being hurt. I am certain that this has been an extremely frustrating campaign for him - it's not his fault. But he's making a lot of money and fans are going to expect a lot from him as a result.

I think ideally, we'd be able to get rid of the contract if we had a choice... but it's also not Ellsbury redux. Stanton can and will help the Yankees when he's healthy.
Forgot about the NTC, so nevermind  
adamg : 8/12/2019 9:43 am : link
But 22.5 mm per year for a perennial MVP candidate is an asset, movable or not. He's no Ellsbury.
RE: Right now  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/12/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14527022 Marty866b said:
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Stanton missing is addition by subtraction. Who would you rather have up in a crucial at bat in the 9th inning, Stanton or Tauchman? It really is incredible but is easily Tauchman for me.

This can't be a real take, can it?
Tauchman has been crazy hot...  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2019 10:27 am : link
but on the aggregate give me Stanton and the 35+ HRs he was averaging even without the juiced ball any day of the week.
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