I think Corey will announce two per day over the next few weeks/to month (I think one a day), so while it is behind the Athletic paywall (which as a side note broke my lifelong rule of never paying for content on the Internet and it's some of the best money I have ever spent) I feel like we can discuss it if people want as he reveals his list.
This should bring us into the pre-season.
I have posted some other rankings (Sportingnews - which was free).
But Pronman will go into much more depth about the systems. I will not on this thread except for the teams people have interest on here and I'll just be mostly parroting Pronman or others (Wheeler, etc.). I haven't seen many of these guys play ever.
So far:
31. Calgary Flames
30. Capitals
Hard to argue with either - the Caps won a cup a year ago and the past few years I've had the Flames as one of my breakout teams. A lot of good youth at the NHL level, just haven't found consistency in the net or the ice.
Criteria:
There is no good way to define a prospect, whether objectively or subjectively, someone is going to get left out by the process, its just the way it goes.
With that said, the eligibility for being a prospect for these rankings is:
A skater no longer qualifies as an NHL prospect if he has played 25 games in the NHL in any campaign, regular season and playoffs combined, or 50 games total; or reaches age 27 by Sept. 15.
A goalie no longer qualifies as an NHL prospect if he has played 10 games in the NHL in any campaign, regular season and playoffs combined, or 25 games total; or reaches age 27 by Sept. 15. |
Link below for the site that will be updated each day/as he completes a teams ranking/write up
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He's the #2 overall pick, the highest the Rangers have ever had, and their best prospect since Brian Leetch 30+ years ago.
He's wearing 45 now but I bet he's 24 come the regular season.
agree. if he wants it.
Nieves has given it up.
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or the individual effort but there was massive interference in the zone to spring Kakko.
Still a great individual effort, but in a meaningful game that's a whistle IMO.
Agreed, but when have you seen picks like that called?
Used to be rarely, now they get called all the time.
And he is going to get a lot of shit from his teammates about that mustache. I read they're going to name him captain.
Mock turtle and a herringbone chain and he's every drug dealer from late 80s after school specials. (zubaz pants optional)
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
5h
TOR has made seven and eight year offers in the $11M AAV universe but because its a lower AAV and longer term than Auston Matthews, it hasnt been palatable to Marner.
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no one really can unless he wants to get shipped out to Ottawa or maybe he gets traded for Laine or something like that.
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@NikkF07
Gallo: So was caving to Nylander the mistake or giving Matthews a 5 year deal the mistake?
Gord Miller: my honest opinion, signing John Tavares was the mistake. They were the 3rd highest scoring team. They didnt need him.
He has tiers:
Special NHL prospect: Projects as a true NHL star, someone who is among the best players in the league.
Elite NHL prospect: Projects as an impact player, someone who is top 10-15 percent in the NHL at his position.
High-end NHL prospect: Projects as a first-line forward or a top-pair defenseman.
Very good NHL prospect: Projects as a top-six forward, top-four defenseman or starting goaltender in the NHL.
Legit NHL prospect: Projects to be a full-time NHL player in the bottom half of a roster.
Has a chance: The prospect has a chance to make it as a full-time player if some improvements are made.
Depth Players: These are prospects who do not have NHL toolkits, but could be good AHL players and provide depth to an organization.
Only one player in top tier for him (Hughes).
Of the teams I know people on here like:
MTL: 6 players Cole Caufield highest at #6 (in the elite tier)
NYR: 4 players Kakko #2 overall and has him on the elite/special bubble
NYI: 5 players, Dobson the highest #20 overall & he is in the High End Prospect Tier
NJD: 3 players, Hughes #1 overall only player in the special talent tier
BOS: 1 player, Studnicka #101 in the Very Good/Legit Prospect tier
OTT: 6 players, Batherson #29
anyone else?
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Kravtsov, Fox, and miller need to look up rank
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Since it is behind a pay wall, can you put the other three Rangers prospects and where he has them ranked?
Kravtsov, Fox, and miller need to look up rank
thanks pj. I would have guessed Kravtsov and Fox, surprised he didn't have Shestyorkin.
Right, forgot the spelling change! Can we just call him Shesty from now on?
Anyway:
Kakko #2 (elite/special bubble)
Kravstov #21 (High End prospect)
Fox #39 (High End/Very Good bubble)
Miller # 48 (Very good prospect)
next time Kakko, Fox and Kravstov likely won't be eligible. Pronman set a 25 NHL game max to be considered. Which is why Chytil (or Kotkaniemi for example) isn't eligible (but Makar is). Miller likely on the next one still even if he joins the Rangers after the WIS season. Probably doesn't get 25 games in.
Miller
Lundkvist
Robertson
Reunanen
Barron
Henriksson
As discussed,,,they are very deep in talented prospects
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Gallo: So was caving to Nylander the mistake or giving Matthews a 5 year deal the mistake?
Gord Miller: my honest opinion, signing John Tavares was the mistake. They were the 3rd highest scoring team. They didnt need him.
I think Tavares at $11M>Marner at $8M.
I think signing Andersen was a mistake. Marleau was a mistake, although that's done.
I believe Marner > Tavares and he's 7 years younger.
Marner put up a 94-point season as a 21-year old and it was assist heavy, which at that age is a good thing IMO, he was the one creating offense.
most of the metrics I believe also favor Marner over Matthews FWIW - which is the crux of this stalemate.
And yea, Marner wants $11M (at least) but only for 6 years or whatever Matthews got. Not longer, he (or his "camp") view longer term as a concession.
First, I think both are great players and I'd take either on my team in a heartbeat.
But I think they benefited each other, both eclipsed career highs, but with Tavares being a mature player already and Marner being just 21, I think his upside is just higher when Tavares IMO is what he is going to be.
My initial post was probably aggressive. I'd take eight years of Tavares over eight years of Marner, even at their respective ages.
Both are great platers, I can see the age thing swinging views.
Being a converted forward that surprises me.
Every time I have seen him he's been quick to activate or join the rush.
might take some time.
My initial post was probably aggressive. I'd take eight years of Tavares over eight years of Marner, even at their respective ages.
Both are great platers, I can see the age thing swinging views.
that might be exactly what they get, the longer they go without signing him the worse it is for all involved.
I think MTL messed up with the offer sheet to Aho and should have made one to Marner. Though I suspect the offer sheet to Aho was really a favor to the agent to get CAR moving.
In case people don't follow the Habs Leafs rivalry has reach new levels this off-season with the sandpaper-personified Domi family trolling Toronto all summer.
Subban is still one of my favorite players to watch and an incredible human being, but I guess he's not the most coachable as a player.
@HabsChronicle
3m
MB identified the Weber trade as his best trade as #Habs GM. Called it a culture-changing move.
When asked if it's the move he'll be most remembered for, MB said:
"Probably. Because its Shea Weber. Honestly Im proud that I could be associated with Shea Weber."
My wife's cousin live in Vancouver and is friendly with some former NHLers turned scouts. He keeps telling me that these guys love him.
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My wife's cousin live in Vancouver and is friendly with some former NHLers turned scouts. He keeps telling me that these guys love him. link - ( New Window )
He stood out at the rookie tournament in Traverse City.
Spencer Knight #2, I love Spencer Knight's potential, but FL just signed Bobrovsky long-term so no clue how Knight sees the NHL if it's not via trade.
He is a young Carey Price IMO. So positionally sound, calm in net, athletic, great with the puck, I haven't seen enough of Askarov, but if scouts see Askarov as measurably better than Knight I can't wait to see more.
#1 is Thatcher Demko (VAN).
Another American (like Knight) who is very athletic for his size. I think Knight is better though.
Igor Shesterkin #3. His size and occasional leaky pucks are the only negatives.
Cayden Primeau (Keith's son) for MTL is #4
All 4 are in the "Very Good NHL Prospect" tier.
other relevant ones for fans here (and all are in the very good/legit bubble):
Samsonov: WAS
Sorokin: NYI
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Oh well, I was hoping it got ugly.
good for him if he can get it.
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@dalter
The combined cap hit of John Tavares, Auston Matthews, William Nylander and Mitch Marner is $40.489366 million. The salary cap for this year is $81.5 million.
and they're still probably the Bruins bitch in the playoffs.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
4m
Charlie McAvoy has agreed to terms with BOS. Three-year deal, $4.9M AAV. Very similar to Zach Werenskis three-year, $5M AAV deal with CBJ. McAvoy could make up the $300K difference because his Year 3 salary, and Qualifying Offer base, is $7.3M, $300K more than Werenskis.
and they're still probably the Bruins bitch in the playoffs.
If they even get that far in the playoffs with that defense. They are a lock to get 100+ points but at playoff time their defense is seemingly an even bigger question this year vs. last year. Gardner, Zaitsev, and Hainsey each played over 20 mpg last year. Barrie will probably replace most of their point production but they are counting on a bunch of journeyman young guys (and Ceci) to replace the minutes. And if Barrie has a good year good luck resigning him next year, they can barely afford him now with Colorado retaining $.
For a team that's top heavy, and mostly with young guys, they are very win now. And with no more picks to deal a lot of pressure is riding on this group to come together and improve (and specifically on Babcock).
For BBI hockey fans:
Kravtsov and Fox (NYR) also top 10
on the list:
Brannstrom (OTT)
Necas (CAR)
Logan Brown (OTT)
Ty Smith (NJD)
And
Suzuki/Poehling (MTL)
Dobson (NYI)
Bean (CAR)
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RFA list slowly dwindling.
Point, Laine, Carlo maybe a couple more.
@AdamZHerman
2m
Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, Trouba, Fox, and Shesterkin all making their Ranger debuts together. That's good marketing.
kind of symbiotic with Eli leaving center stage of the area sports scene today and Hughes/Kakko entering.