NFT: NHL: Pronman Farm System Rankings

the Bruins.

Wish I could take glee in this, but they are coming off a SCF loss and have a lot of youth infused into the team in recent years.

Plus I think they stole Beecher at the end of the 1st round this year. Fits their model to a T. Big, fast, power forward.

I do think their D is a little suspect, but shouldn't be too much on Achilles heel I expect them to be cup contenders again in 19-20 unfortunately.

the link above has the full write-up for Athletic subscribers.

Nice to see the two Metro powers at the bottom. We saw vulnerable these teams were in the first round of the playoffs last year. Metro looks to be wide open this year, and help isn't on the way in the capital or in Crosbytown.

appreciate you keeping up the hockey talk. love reading this type of stuff.

I used to get the Hockey News Draft preview edition every year. Still have copies in the closet going way back. But the stuff those two (especially Pronman) put out there about prospects, I really see no reason to ever have to purchase that guide again. The draft previews were incredible.

Looking forward to these reviews.

happy to contribute.

This site from eliteprospects.com (called eprinkside) has some good write ups on prospects too.

Link is below.

top 5 not revealed yet, but rankings so far are:


6 MTL
7 NYI
8 NJD
9 OTT
10 COL
11 DET
12 LVG
13 BUF
14 CHI
15 FLA
16 ARI
17 EDM
18 ANA
19 MIN
20 DAL
21 TOR
22 NAS
23 STL
24 SJS
25 WIN
26 CBJ
27 BOS
28 CAL
29 TBL
30 PIT
31 WAS

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expect the isles will be somewhere between 5-10. Pool of D is great, led by Dobson + Wilde. Not much more you could ask for there. Sorokin is a wild card but if he comes over he should be as good of a bet to contribute early as any prospect can be with his experience/age.

Forwards are pretty marginal but with Barzal and so many veterans now under contract (Lee, Bailey, Eberle, Nelson) they don't have a ton of room. They need more high end talent but with where they are likely to be picking (at least while Trotz is there) it's probably more likely to come from trades/FA than draft. Missing out on Panarin is a huge bummer. He could have been such a good fit next to Barzal and they have the room for 1 more big contract.

#27 WIN
#26 NSH

no surprise there, both contenders (in theory).

though maybe Bergevin should get some Subban slack now that he's traded in his prime (again).

(from the scout with elite prospects)

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#25 CBJ
#24 DAL

Again, fits the mold, but teams have recent young additions.

Love Dallas' mix of youth and veterans. I think with more Heiskanen ice time this year the Stars should be better.

And CBJ has the leagues best D pair with Jones and Werenski. It's sometimes hard to believe they're still 24 and 22 respectively. Seems like they've been around forever. Seth Jones is the player whose D clips I use the most when showing technique to the kids I coach.

Anyway, makes sense neither has much on the farm, they're both close to contending.

of a pundit Craig Button is? LOL.

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Marc-Olivier Beaudoin @MOBeaudoin1 � 1h Craig Button: �I like to make the argument that they (#Habs) have the best prospect pool of anybody in the NHL. It�s that good. I think they�ve done a terrific job! [...] And that�s not even including Kotkaniemi.�

He also thinks Yaroslav Askarov is the best goalie prospect since Carey Price, but I think Spencer Knight is right there with him or at least Askarov is more similar to Price.

eprinkside they added 5 and 4.

PHI and VAN respectively.

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TBL: 23
MIN: 22

No surprise IMO.

TBL still the heavy cup favorite after last year's debacle.

MIN still a playoff contender.

Link for the great in depth reviews below
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though profile is not up yet. Probably tomorrow and it looks like they moved all their stuff behind a paywall. It wasn't there when I initially posted this link and as much as I love eliteprospects, I'm not paying for their site. If it's just a sign-up with email address I'll do it, but not paying for it.

Here is their full list with a link to the write-ups for the other teams (if you can get to it):

1 NYR
2 LAK
3 CAR
4 VAN
5 PHI
6 MTL
7 NYI
8 NJD
9 OTT
10 COL
11 DET
12 LVG
13 BUF
14 CHI
15 FLA
16 ARI
17 EDM
18 ANA
19 MIN
20 DAL
21 TOR
22 NAS
23 STL
24 SJS
25 WIN
26 CBJ
27 BOS
28 CAL
29 TBL
30 PIT
31 WAS
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21: TOR
20: SJS

no comment other than the Maple Leafs have one of the best collections of young talent in the game, but those young players need to be paid now (see Mitch Marner) and it's going to be tough to keep them after signing Tavares.

by Steve Kournianos aka @TheDraftAnalyst on twitter

another one with NYR #1 (adding to eliteprospects - behind a paywall and one other site I think linked here).

This is the top 10:

1. NYR
2. LAK
3. COL
4. OTT
5. MTL
6. CAR
7. NJD
8. VAN
9. PHI
10. DET

Bottom 5:

27: CBJ
28. WAS
29. DAL
30. SJS
31. PIT

Link below with solid but nothing enlightening in terms of write-ups
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class for the first time.

Lafreniere #1.

Sounds like he views him similarly to a Kakko type prospect.

He has Byfield #4, and I think Byfield could rise.

The fastest riser IMO is Cole Perfetti. He stole the show at the Hlinka/Gretzky and flat out dominated.

See how he does in December.

Only one American I believe in his top 31, but with 11 1st round picks this past June, some adjustment is to be expected.

Link, for those with an Athletic subscription, below.
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19: STL
18: BUF
17: ARI
16: NYI
15: FLA

RE: NYI, he admits he doesn't have the Islanders as high as some scouts who consider it an elite farm system:

Pronman says he himself overrated players like Wahlstrom (I disagree, NCAA freshman years are overrated IMO - especially in Hockey East, but this guy gets paid to do this) and Ishakov.

He also says he might have underrated Dobson and Koivula, but regardless this is his ranking.

2018 he had NYI #5 overall and Toews and Dal Colle graduated.

draft grade: C

Dobson
Wahlstrom
Koivula
Wilde
Bellows

top 5.

link below with all the write-ups and to reiterate the order at the halfway point:

15. Florida Panthers

16. New York Islanders

17. Arizona Coyotes

18. Buffalo Sabres

19. St. Louis Blues

20. San Jose Sharks

21. Toronto Maple Leafs

22. Minnesota Wild

23. Tampa Bay Lightning

24. Dallas Stars

25. Columbus Blue Jackets

26. Nashville Predators

27. Winnipeg Jets

28. Pittsburgh Penguins

29. Boston Bruins

30. Washington Capitals

31. Calgary Flames



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Like you said, Toews graduated (Dal Colle was considered a bust coming into last year so that doesn't matter in this, really). But Toews does. Combine that with a ho-hum year from Wahlstrom and a bad draft, and you get a drop from an elite system to average.

so this is a little disappointing but not too far off. He's down on Wahlstrom and Ishkatov but both came on strong late. Hopefully they can have big years this year to regain their earlier status.

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so this is a little disappointing but not too far off. He's down on Wahlstrom and Ishkatov but both came on strong late. Hopefully they can have big years this year to regain their earlier status.

I hear ya. I had them 10-12 myself, so 16 isn't egregious. But either way, hard to deny they've taken a step back.

I think he'll be really good in the NHL. Top 6 forward who plays all situations IMO is his floor.

People forget NCAA freshman are 17/18 year old kids playing against 22/23 year olds (sometimes older) and then compare their point totals with kids in juniors.

I heard the same shit about Brady Tkachuk who was in NCAA for a year pre-draft due to his age.

He "only" had 8 goals and 31 points at BU as a Freshman.

I think he put to bed those concerns.

his profile at 18 had him listed at 5' 11", his latest height says 6' 1"

It's not uncommon for boys to grow like this at that age, but it does cause some adjustment.

I'm not sure if the 6'1" is his accurate height - I think it is, but could explain a year that didn't meet expectations (not from a stats standpoint - that's stupid like I said - I just mean overall game), it takes a while to adjust to rapid growth and coordination.

and obviously his performance in the AHL helped too. Still not a huge Wahlstrom fan bc I've never seen anything that resembles being a game breaker, at least to the level of people who liked him over Dobson last year, but it would not shock me to see him make the NHL this season and score 20 goals. He seems to be suited to the pro game and his scoring ability has shown up whenever he's been tested against top competition (WJC, AHL).

A little surprised Pronman is down on the system but if he's truly re-evaluating his assessment of Wahlstrom and didn't like the draft I guess I get it. Just a little curious because he wasn't especially high on the guys they graduated last year and he did have a bunch of Isles in contention for the top prospect list he did a few weeks ago.

not a game breaker?

He scored the same amount of goals in the same number of games with the USNDTP as Auston Matthews.

He is behind only Jack Hughes and Auston Matthews in total points in his USNDTP career.

Tied with Clayton Keller and Cole Caufield.

And behind only Hughes and Caufield in goals.

He's legit IMO. Doesn't always mean he'll pan out as an all-star, nothing is guaranteed, but that's why I have his floor where I have it.

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not a game breaker? He scored the same amount of goals in the same number of games with the USNDTP as Auston Matthews. He is behind only Jack Hughes and Auston Matthews in total points in his USNDTP career. Tied with Clayton Keller and Cole Caufield. And behind only Hughes and Caufield in goals. He's legit IMO. Doesn't always mean he'll pan out as an all-star, nothing is guaranteed, but that's why I have his floor where I have it.

Lets call game breakers all stars level, this is overly simplistic but the vast majority on the wing are high end skaters. He's never gotten high marks in that department and Pronman even said that's one area he disappointed last year.

There are certainly a few guys out there whose other scoring skills are so advanced the skating isn't a big deal (like Anders Lee for one) but they are pretty rare and I don't even know if most would consider him a true game breaker. I just never saw a top 3 draft pick like some had him last year.

isn't the best skater, but I disagree about the best wingers in today's game ALL being great skaters. Sure you have players like Kucherov and Kane who are great skaters on the wing, but IMO it is not the defining characteristic of the best.

Ovie, Marchand, Laine, Giroux, Benn - at least half of the top n wingers are not what you'd call elite skaters. They have sniper shots or great vision or off the charts hockey IQ or some combination of them.

Now, I'm not putting Wahlstrom in that group, but besides his scoring ability there are a lot of intangibles and maybe that's what scares some people, but his compete level and hockey IQ are among the best I've seen and as mentioned he can finish. Which is why I have his floor high. I'm not even speculating about his ceiling because that requires too much projection.

I'd argue Marchand is an elite skater.. at the very least he's extremely crafty. I've seen him undress a lot of defenders over the years.

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I'd argue Marchand is an elite skater.. at the very least he's extremely crafty. I've seen him undress a lot of defenders over the years.

fair, they're all elite skaters in the NHL, but no one is confusing Marchand with Kane, Gaudreau or McDavid.

Wahlstrom. Ovie can be plenty explosive when he needs it. Girioux has some of those moments where he's as slippery as Datsyuk.

Benn is a very good hopeful comp and to me thats Wahlstrom's best chance of being a gamebreak. Corey Perry is another - crafty, gritty, great puck skills. Just not a ton of those guys who can produce at that level without the athletic explosiveness of the Panarin/Gaudreau/Ovie/Kucherov/Kane types. I'd guess that lack of athletic explosiveness was why he slipped to the isles in the draft if the first place.

lunch. It's good work by Pronman. You can tell he's not talking out of his ass. He watches all of these guys and he's also willing to change his mind about things.

Main reason why (my super biased self) would have Islanders a little higher (right around #10) is that I'm much higher on Wilde and Sorokin than he is.

Sorokin has repeated the elite KHL numbers for a while and he's still really young. I'm looking forward to finally getting him over to the Island.

Wilde has some work to do with decision making, but he really put together another great season last year. His upside is through the roof.

Pronman had Wilde as a first round pick last year and his #21 overall prospect in his midseason update.

By all accounts Wilde had a very good season that raised his stock all around.

And Pronman ranked Koivula ahead of him. That seems like a pretty big development for a guy who wasn't even really on the radar this time last year.

are cherry picked, but they serve a purpose.

Most of Wahlstrom's goals are greasy goals, and snipes, but you can definitely see some goals created with his feet: 1:10 minute mark, 2:20 also highlights his edge work and tight turns shaking a defender deep in his own zone.

I think fans sometimes hear "not elite skater" and think 3rd line checking forward or something.

His skating is good enough IMO
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Brassard is signing with the islanders

with an Athletic subscription should check out Wheeler's latest installment of "the gifted", subject is Adam Fox.

He likes Fox a little more than me, but it's well researched and a great in-depth write up. Pretty much paints him as the PP QB for the foreseeable future.


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Islanders fans who have an Athletic subscription should check out Wheeler's write up last year on Wahlstrom as part of the gifted series.

he agrees with me more than those who don't like Wahlstrom as much.

Some quotes:

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...And Oliver Wahlstrom, ranked fifth in my final 2018 NHL Draft ranking and 12th in my top 50 drafted NHL prospects ranking, is Tarasenko Lite. He�s Tarasenko without the high-end skating ability, though Wahlstrom is still a good skater (more on that later)....

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...He�s not one-timer reliant, he�s not time-and-space reliant (like a Dylan Strome can be with that long drawback of his), and he�s not location-heavy. By that, I mean that while he�s not a blinding skater, Wahlstrom is a powerful enough skater that he doesn�t need to rely on offensive-zone setups to score. When he gets moving, he can push defenders back enough with his feet to also remain an extremely dangerous threat off the rush. On plays like this, you can see Wahlstrom�s skating at work. That�s a kid who is now roughly 210 pounds, attacking with speed, dropping his lead shoulder, and going right at the defender....

there is a video showing what he means

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...In time, and before we know it, those skills will translate at the next level because they are diverse. Wahlstrom�s not going to be Bellows, who I still think may become an NHL player but not one who can drive a top-six line, and he�s not going to become Julien Gauthier, who struggled in his first year in the AHL to score. He�s going to be a star.

great video links to also emphasize what I saw when watching Wahlstrom.
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14: ANA
13: DET

not that I'm pushing the Athletic, but there is a ton of quality hockey content on there.

The Athletic subscription and NHL Center Ice package on Verizon - the best money I spend every year.

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14: ANA 13: DET not that I'm pushing the Athletic, but there is a ton of quality hockey content on there. .

Carp on the Rangers is pure gold

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In comment 14539041 pjcas18 said: Quote: 14: ANA 13: DET not that I'm pushing the Athletic, but there is a ton of quality hockey content on there. . Carp on the Rangers is pure gold

Agree, he's great.

Also, the Wheeler report on Fox I linked above is a must read for any Rangers fan with a subscription.

Seeing what the scouts see is a good view most of us don't see or are not trained to see and you usually get honest opinions from unaffiliated scouts.

"Someone in the comments called Pronman out on the org drop, despite Koivula's rise and the addition of several top prospects.

His response:
It's a fair criticism, and one I know I have to answer. Dobson/Wally are pretty similar to midyear but I moved Iskhakov and Wilde down a lot. That was me grappling with my own biases on the player versus what I was seeing and what plenty of NHL scouts were telling me about the players. It's not a great reason for my subscribers to read, but it's what happened."

He was the highest on Ishakov that I've seen, so him readjusting there makes sense but dropping Wilde is just so odd. Guy had the monster season everyone was hoping for him to have and still drops.

12: OTT
11: LVG

no surprises there, though I think LVG is higher than most have them. no marquee prospects, I guess decent depth though.

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back to Finland. Probably good for his development. He has talent, just hasn't shown it, maybe this helps.

Still just 21 I think.

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Cam Ward retired.

Ward was a backup for the Blackhawks last year, but spent 13 years in CAR.

Won a SC and Conn Smythe as a 21-year old rookie.

peak of his career.

Didn't even realize Ward was still in the league.

Solid career though, 300+ wins playing for the Hurricanes during some pretty down years.

but how is Wisconsin already practicing? I thought they had to wait until a certain date for official practices?

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Todd Milewski @ToddMilewski Another day of power play work for the #Badgers in their last practice before heading to Vancouver. The first unit was the same as Saturday (Cole Caufield, Alex Turcotte, Linus Weissbach, K'Andre Miller, Wyatt Kalynuk) ... (1/2) 4:57 PM � Aug 27, 2019�TweetDeck

comes in at #7.

so the latest overall:
And now for the rankings:

7. Philadelphia Flyers

8. Carolina Hurricanes

9. Edmonton Oilers

10. Chicago Blackhawks

11. Vegas Golden Knights

12. Ottawa Senators

13. Detroit Red Wings

14. Anaheim Ducks

15. Florida Panthers

16. New York Islanders

17. Arizona Coyotes

18. Buffalo Sabres

19. St. Louis Blues

20. San Jose Sharks

21. Toronto Maple Leafs

22. Minnesota Wild

23. Tampa Bay Lightning

24. Dallas Stars

25. Columbus Blue Jackets

26. Nashville Predators

27. Winnipeg Jets

28. Pittsburgh Penguins

29. Boston Bruins

30. Washington Capitals

31. Calgary Flames
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comes in at #6. Most sites had them top 5, but their farm is loaded - not just top heavy. Just need it to turn into NHL success at some point.
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to a work stoppage, would be something like the 5th one while Bettman is commissioner.

I don't see how he survives.


Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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The NHL has formally notified the NHLPA that it will not re-open the CBA. Deadline to do so was this weekend. The player window to re-open runs through Sept. 15.

is for you, PJ ;)
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I've seen a bunch of Badger hype videos. I wouldn't be shocked if they're #1 or close to it when the polls come out.

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to a work stoppage, would be something like the 5th one while Bettman is commissioner. I don't see how he survives. Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC � 5m The NHL has formally notified the NHLPA that it will not re-open the CBA. Deadline to do so was this weekend. The player window to re-open runs through Sept. 15.

I misunderstood this, this is not a bad sign. Not necessarily a monumental move, but it's more good than bad.

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I hope you see a lot of this (for one year)
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In comment 14552108 Jay in Toronto said: Quote: is for you, PJ ;) Go Badgers - ( New Window ) I hope you see a lot of this (for one year) Link - ( New Window )

I suppose you mean cause next year he'll be with the Habs. Probably true.

Frustrating that Dmen don't get mentions unless they are on the scoresheet. I'd like to know how Miller is doing.

Apparently UW will be streaming the games during the season.

in Wisco.

Bet this KHL goalie is drowning his sorrows in some stoli (I think the coach even yanked him after this)
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4 goals in his first two WIS games (exhibitions, but still competitive games)

Wisconsin Hockey
@BadgerMHockey
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Freshman Cole Caufield records first hat trick in Badger uniform as the #Badgers finish off their road trip to Vancouver with a 7-5 win over British Columbia

goal to seal the hat trick:
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like Jay mentioned above

K'Andre Miller had 4 assists in the game.

Gorniak is Hab property as well.

Game was streamed on Facebook. I hope future games are as well.

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Gorniak is Hab property as well. Game was streamed on Facebook. I hope future games are as well.

yep, he is.

Dhoogie is fun to watch too. He's tiny - even compared with Caufield. He's just 5' 3", so I think NCAA is it for him, but he can light the lamp.

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In comment 14554988 Jay in Toronto said: Quote: Gorniak is Hab property as well. Maybe that Game was streamed on Facebook. I hope future games are as well. yep, he is. Dhoogie is fun to watch too. He's tiny - even compared with Caufield. He's just 5' 3", so I think NCAA is it for him, but he can light the lamp.

Maybe that's why Caufield chose UW, so he wouldn't be the smallest guy on the team ;)

I thinks LOTS of teams are going to regret not drafting him when they had the opportunity. He is scoring bucketfuls at every level he is playing. Habs will be very pleased, IMO.

# 5 in Pronmans rankings

season preview by Dom Luszczyszyn.

I like his stuff. He has a projected 3rd line of Lemieux, Andersson, and Kravstov. I'd pay admission to watch that line play. I think they'll become a fan favorite line, if that happens.

He's not a huge fan of Chytil or Andersson, but i think he's wrong.

If you are a Rangers fan this review with a summary from Carpinello is probably worth the annual Athletic fee.

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...At this junction, it seems like the team is being set up for failure with Filip Chytil (turns 20 on Sept. 5), Lias Andersson (turns 22 in October) and Brett Howden (21) as its main options at center after the talented Mika Zibanejad. Last year was each player�s first taste of NHL action, and none of them really showed they belonged in the big leagues with their play. The Rangers were one of the league�s worst five-on-five teams last year, earning an expected goal percentage under 47 percent, and that trio of rookies was part of the problem. Of the Rangers� 14 forwards who earned 250 or more five-on-five minutes, the rookies ranked 10th (Chytil), 12th (Howden) and 13th (Andersson) in expected goals percentage. The latter two especially struggled at 41 percent each, and all three were heavily outscored as a result. For Chytil and Andersson, the issue was on offense, where the Rangers couldn�t buy a goal from them or their linemates. Both players had a five-on-five points-per-60 rate under 1, which would be considered under replacement level last season. Howden was a more effective scorer at 1.63 points per 60, a second-line rate, but he comes with the trouble of being one of the league�s worst defensive players. His 3.25 expected goals-against per 60 was the worst in the league last season....

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top 3, Rangers, Av's and Devils, I suspect in that order 1 - 3, but we'll see what Pronman says.

Full list:

4. Los Angeles Kings

5. Vancouver Canucks

6. Montreal Canadiens

7. Philadelphia Flyers

8. Carolina Hurricanes

9. Edmonton Oilers

10. Chicago Blackhawks

11. Vegas Golden Knights

12. Ottawa Senators

13. Detroit Red Wings

14. Anaheim Ducks

15. Florida Panthers

16. New York Islanders

17. Arizona Coyotes

18. Buffalo Sabres

19. St. Louis Blues

20. San Jose Sharks

21. Toronto Maple Leafs

22. Minnesota Wild

23. Tampa Bay Lightning

24. Dallas Stars

25. Columbus Blue Jackets

26. Nashville Predators

27. Winnipeg Jets

28. Pittsburgh Penguins

29. Boston Bruins

30. Washington Capitals

31. Calgary Flames

link to in-depth write-ups
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final two are the AV's and NYR.

NJD jumped from #20 to #3 - with only Hughes as the main addition - that's how special some people think he will be.

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He has the potential to be a star, play-driving, No. 1 center.

We'll see, but the Devils definitely made themselves relevant again, with the off-season they had.

Full list linked below with links to each team write up.
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Rick Carpiniello
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Per impeccable source, Pierre McGuire has been removed from NBC Sports' No. 1 hockey team, to be replaced by Brian Boucher.

That is fantastic news, my ears are grateful

I think our feelings pale in comparison to Pat Verbeek's excitement.

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I think our feelings pale in comparison to Pat Verbeek's excitement.

lol, not just verbeek, Jagr, and others. He might be top 5 most hated men in hockey.

I've never hated Pierre. Fight me, nerds.

BTW, I went back to the Bleacher Report's prospects rankings from 2016. Kings, Rangers, Blackhawks were bottom three. Blues were 4th from the bottom. CBJ, Arizona, and Toronto were top three.

Imperfect, but not terrible predictor of future success? Most teams in the top/bottom third seem to be directionally correct just eyeballing it.
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BTW, I went back to the Bleacher Report's prospects rankings from 2016. Kings, Rangers, Blackhawks were bottom three. Blues were 4th from the bottom. CBJ, Arizona, and Toronto were top three. Imperfect, but not terrible predictor of future success? Most teams in the top/bottom third seem to be directionally correct just eyeballing it. Bleacher Report - ( New Window )

makes sense. It's when you have a bad NHL team and a bad farm that you need to consider a change - front office, coach, something.

BUF - bottom 3rd farm, and missed playoffs consistently
ARI - see BUFF

in theory, when you are a contender your farm should be worse ranked because you are more apt to trade draft picks and young players/prospects for players who can help you immediately.

pj, yeah. Some of it is mean reversion, etc. It shouldn't be perfect, too many moving pieces. But it does seem to have some marginal predictive value (and I definitely hope so as a Ranger fan).

Devils had a great off-season, but they're toast if Hall leaves.

on NJD they need to keep Hall and maybe adding Subban and drafting Hughes makes the team more likely to keep Hall.

I am actually looking forward to watching Hughes compete vs NHL players. One of the most interesting story lines for me for the upcoming season. he looked tiny at the draft lottery dwarfed by Kathryn Tappen. Didn't exactly instill fear in defenders.

But Cole Caufield is tiny next to Hughes and he doesn't concern me as much for some reason.

claims Jets in talks involving Laine and 3 eastern conference teams.

consider the source, but it is being shared on twitter by real sources so who knows.

unless they trade Kreider, Buch and a defenseman for him.

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final two are the AV's and NYR. NJD jumped from #20 to #3 - with only Hughes as the main addition - that's how special some people think he will be. Quote: He has the potential to be a star, play-driving, No. 1 center. We'll see, but the Devils definitely made themselves relevant again, with the off-season they had. Full list linked below with links to each team write up. Link - ( New Window )

He loves Ty Smith as well

and Avs are #2 farm system. Both systems are considered at the same tier level.

is Kakko, Kravstov, Shesterkin and 7 D.

Makes sense.

From probably a bottom 5 system to a consensus top 3 and #1 ranked here in about three years. It could be a bit fleeting since that top 3 is going to graduate right away. But the process is working.

didn't seem to indicate Kakko and Hughes were that close, but Kakko is a top 6 forward from day 1.

He also didn't seem as high om Fox as others like Wheeler are.

Felt PP QB and good offensive D, but might be protected by coaches early on.

Still almost everyone in the top 20 is a "solid prospect" so it indicates the farm is not just top heavy, but also deep.

At least in his opinion

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didn't seem to indicate Kakko and Hughes were that close, but Kakko is a top 6 forward from day 1. He also didn't seem as high om Fox as others like Wheeler are. Felt PP QB and good offensive D, but might be protected by coaches early on. Still almost everyone in the top 20 is a "solid prospect" so it indicates the farm is not just top heavy, but also deep. At least in his opinion

I agree that the Rangers farm system to very deep. In the past, guys like Barron (#21 per Pronman), Lindgren(#23), Rykov (#18)and Henriksson (#14) would all be considered the some of the Rangers top prospects as I think all will play in the NHL. It's truly amazing what Gorton has done.

to the Canes 4 years AAV 4.05M.

Good deal, solid, but unspectacular D.

Canes building a powerhouse on D.

maybe they try and trade for an RFA - one of their D like Dougie Hamilton maybe.

His commentary on the guys wasn't as enthusiastic as the rankings had me thinking they would be.

I haven't watched much of these guys, so I love to see them hyped the fuck up.

I'm mot curious to see is actually Shesterkin. Mainly because of the top 10 I've seen him the least.

goalies seems so hard to predict IMO too.

I don't know if KHL stats translate to NHL.

and speaking of goalies I haven't heard anyone as bullish on a goalie as they (the consensus) are about Yaro Askarov - he's already being hailed the next Roy.

But I watch Spencer Knight and I see a much more calm and positionally sound goalie. he looks like a young Carey Price to me - "a true if he sees it he'll save it - but even if he doesn't see it there's a good chance he'll be in position to save it" - goalie.

but I'm no expert. especially on goalies.

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sorry, rookies

sounds like a better start than yesterday. I could not give a shit about the score of these games though, it's about how the players look individually - which is rare for hockey, but in this forum that's what I'd look for.

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and it pains me a little bit, but we went to a Bruins Foundation charity event for austism today and Charlie McAvoy signed my daughters jersey (a #73 McAvoy jersey). She couldn't stop smiling (she is #73 on her team because McAvoy is her favorite player).

He is a good dude and a Giants fan. I hope the Bruins can't re-sign him.

What do you expect from Ryan Poehling this year? I have him in a keeper league and while we have 1 NA spot I would hate using a keeper on that.

I would keep Werenski or William Karlsson instead

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What do you expect from Ryan Poehling this year? I have him in a keeper league and while we have 1 NA spot I would hate using a keeper on that.

depends if he makes the team out of camp or not. If he makes it, he's probably the 3rd line center.

If he keeps up his pace (4 goals per game), he'll be great, seriously, I wouldn't hold a spot for him (depending on who your other options are) - though I love his game. I don't how good he'll be in fantasy

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I would keep Werenski or William Karlsson instead

I always opt for centers in fantasy hockey if position doesn't matter, but I love Werenski - at D.

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NYR: Henriksson, Fox (best player), Robertson, Kravtsov

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In comment 14562965 Mike in NY said: Quote: I would keep Werenski or William Karlsson instead I always opt for centers in fantasy hockey if position doesn't matter, but I love Werenski - at D.

14 keepers. I have 3 goalies (Bishop, Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck). On offense I have Draisaitl, Rantanen, Pettersson, DeBrincat, Subban, Barzal, Klingberg, Dylan Strome, Meier, and Couturier. The question is my final keeper.

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In comment 14562969 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14562965 Mike in NY said: Quote: I would keep Werenski or William Karlsson instead I always opt for centers in fantasy hockey if position doesn't matter, but I love Werenski - at D. 14 keepers. I have 3 goalies (Bishop, Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck). On offense I have Draisaitl, Rantanen, Pettersson, DeBrincat, Subban, Barzal, Klingberg, Dylan Strome, Meier, and Couturier. The question is my final keeper.

I'd probably keep Werenski.

Karlsson only had 12 more points than Werenski.

I think both are probably better bets for more points (next year at least) than Poehling.

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Fox with 2 goals and 3 assists tonight, impressive stat line.

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In comment 14563000 pjcas18 said: Quote: Scott Wheeler @scottcwheeler � 18m Standouts in Stars vs. Rangers in Traverse City: DAL: Djuse, Kiviranta (best player) NYR: Henriksson, Fox (best player), Robertson, Kravtsov Fox with 2 goals and 3 assists tonight, impressive stat line.

Kakko didn't play again (illness), might play next game.

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and it pains me a little bit, but we went to a Bruins Foundation charity event for austism today and Charlie McAvoy signed my daughters jersey (a #73 McAvoy jersey). She couldn't stop smiling (she is #73 on her team because McAvoy is her favorite player). He is a good dude and a Giants fan. I hope the Bruins can't re-sign him.

That's awesome!

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In comment 14562903 pjcas18 said: Quote: and it pains me a little bit, but we went to a Bruins Foundation charity event for austism today and Charlie McAvoy signed my daughters jersey (a #73 McAvoy jersey). She couldn't stop smiling (she is #73 on her team because McAvoy is her favorite player). He is a good dude and a Giants fan. I hope the Bruins can't re-sign him. That's awesome!

She was practically in tears, and it wasn't just McAvoy. Matt Grzelcyk and Torrey Krug were great, hanging out, talking to the kids about hockey, taking pictures, signing things, even allowed me to put say my sports hate for a while and just appreciate how some athletes are selfless (this was for charity) and it was a saturday night in the middle of EEE infested Massachusetts.

anyway, I'm back to hating the Bruins.

Rangers, et al, rookie note:

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Last day of group play in Traverse City before tomorrow�s finals. Full schedule:
2pm: Stars (1-1) vs. Blue Jackets (2-0)
2:30pm: Wild (0-2) vs. Rangers (1-1)
5:30pm: Blues (0-2) vs. Blackhawks (1-1)
6pm: Leafs (2-0) vs. Red Wings (1-1)

Yes, I know that could seem snarky considering they lost to Ottawa but I mean it sincerely. They were without 4 top prospects and while Ottawa was missing 3 of theirs they weren't quite the same level as what Montreal was missing imo.

I think Pronman was wrong about Ottawa's system and that showed this weekend but Montreal does have a really nice system. They were impressive I thought.

Sens looked great and have a good farm right now.

Logan Brown was a beast. I didn't realize how big he was until watching these games.

I was fine with the habs performance, in these showcases I'm looking more at individual results. I felt like Poehling and Suzuki were exactly what I expected. Leskinen was a surprise, looked like he could compete for an NHL role this year. And Harvey-Pinard surprised me.

I thought Josh Brook was pretty bad, so many turnovers.

Harvey-Pinard always impressed me. His energy and work ethic stand out on the ice and he's just relentless. I think he makes it. Maybe as a 3rd or 4th liner but I think he makes it/ I think as he was undrafted twice but some kids just play themselves up and I think he's one that will.

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Harvey-Pinard always impressed me. His energy and work ethic stand out on the ice and he's just relentless. I think he makes it. Maybe as a 3rd or 4th liner but I think he makes it/ I think as he was undrafted twice but some kids just play themselves up and I think he's one that will.

Is the Q on TV up there? That's the last thing I need LOL, more hockey watching opportunities, but I'd love it.

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Ovechkin took practice twirl and looks like he�s actually going to resume scrimmage

that Ovi changed his off-season workout in an effort to improve his speed.

In that interview he said he's 240 pounds. No way that's true. is it? I know he's a tank, but 240 is byfuglien size.

Werenski is one of my favorites, but as an RFA anything else was a pipe dream:

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Werenski is one of my favorites, but as an RFA anything else was a pipe dream: TSN @TSN_Sports Report: CBJ, Werenski reach 3-year, $15M deal. MORE: https://tsn.ca/report-columbu

Bad deal for Werenski. He definitely could've gotten more. Look at what his fellow RFAs are getting.

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In comment 14568031 pjcas18 said: Quote: Werenski is one of my favorites, but as an RFA anything else was a pipe dream: TSN @TSN_Sports Report: CBJ, Werenski reach 3-year, $15M deal. MORE: https://tsn.ca/report-columbu Bad deal for Werenski. He definitely could've gotten more. Look at what his fellow RFAs are getting.

He asked for the bridge deal, which signifies to me maybe h doesn't want to be in Columbus long term.

Worst case he's a UFA at 25.

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In comment 14568043 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14568031 pjcas18 said: Quote: Werenski is one of my favorites, but as an RFA anything else was a pipe dream: TSN @TSN_Sports Report: CBJ, Werenski reach 3-year, $15M deal. MORE: https://tsn.ca/report-columbu Bad deal for Werenski. He definitely could've gotten more. Look at what his fellow RFAs are getting. He asked for the bridge deal, which signifies to me maybe h doesn't want to be in Columbus long term. Worst case he's a UFA at 25.

Unsurprisingly, but he should still have gotten more than 5M AAV

as Kravtsov. If I were a Rangers fan and had a way to do it I'd watch this.

waives his NTC - which maybe he'd do with an extension.

Elliotte Friedman
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NYR PP1

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Kravtsov again from a great feed by Kakko.


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Kakko with a great play to set up the game tying goal w net empty. Good player.

Kakko game winner.


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Standouts in Wilds vs. Rangers in Traverse City:

NYR: Kravtsov (best player on the ice), Kakko (for his highlight reel OT goal mostly)
MIN: Beckman (despite having to serve a teammate�s 5-min penalty)

Rangers finish group round 2-1. Wild go 0-3.

Kakko 1 goal, 3 assists and the game-winner in OT beast mode goal.

or the individual effort but there was massive interference in the zone to spring Kakko.

Still a great individual effort, but in a meaningful game that's a whistle IMO.

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I guess not 20 since they didn't deal Kreider, but I thought it was a number in the twenties

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I guess not 20 since they didn't deal Kreider, but I thought it was a number in the twenties

he may change his number. A lot of young players get stuck with high numbers early on and then move up as players leave (if they have another number).

threat was enough to get a deal done. I read Shero was pissed off by the KHL deal though.

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As reported here, word from the Czech Republic is Pavel Zacha and NJ are in agreement on an extension. Not official yet, but headed in that direction

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Rangers sitting their top guys today for the 5th place game.

That was his number in Liiga and for Team Finland.

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That was his number in Liiga and for Team Finland.

That's generational talent Boo Nieves' number

get high numbers early and then eventually get lower number of "their number" when it becomes available.

My only hope now is Charlie McAvoy doesn't change from #73 (I'm hopeful it's a reverse Bergeron tribute) because my daughter grew out of her hockey jerseys (like every year) and decided she wanted to be #73, so I bought jerseys big enough they fit for 2 years (I hope). I have had to buy new jerseys every year the past three years ($400 a set).

Every year the Bauer guy at the uniform fitting says "oh yeah, she'll get two years out of these" (and he laughs his ass off when I walk away)

He's the #2 overall pick, the highest the Rangers have ever had, and their best prospect since Brian Leetch 30+ years ago.

He's wearing 45 now but I bet he's 24 come the regular season.

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He's the #2 overall pick, the highest the Rangers have ever had, and their best prospect since Brian Leetch 30+ years ago. He's wearing 45 now but I bet he's 24 come the regular season.

agree. if he wants it.

https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1171460474304512002

the Pens dealt Kessel was because he and Malkin hate each other.

this is funny though:

Pens Inside Scoop
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Newcomer Alex Galchenyuk came to Pittsburgh with two sticks. Evgeni Malkin tried one. He liked it. Galchenyuk now has one stick. Welcome to the team #Pens -SK

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Good on the rangers to retire #45 after yesterday

the NHL really needs to avoid a work stoppage and they need to participate in the 2022 Olympics (in Beijing?).


John Shannon
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For the 4th straight business day, the NHL and the NHLPA will meet in NYC.

lol

And I say WTF as a skates before pants guy. shirt before pants seems like something a little kid would do.

extended in Boston, multi-year.

Good transaction, good coach, I hate him.

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or the individual effort but there was massive interference in the zone to spring Kakko. Still a great individual effort, but in a meaningful game that's a whistle IMO.

Agreed, but when have you seen picks like that called?

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In comment 14570166 Greg from LI said: Quote: He's the #2 overall pick, the highest the Rangers have ever had, and their best prospect since Brian Leetch 30+ years ago. He's wearing 45 now but I bet he's 24 come the regular season. agree. if he wants it.

Nieves has given it up.

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In comment 14569080 pjcas18 said: Quote: or the individual effort but there was massive interference in the zone to spring Kakko. Still a great individual effort, but in a meaningful game that's a whistle IMO. Agreed, but when have you seen picks like that called?

Used to be rarely, now they get called all the time.

it's Peyton Manning-esque.

And he is going to get a lot of shit from his teammates about that mustache. I read they're going to name him captain.

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Mock turtle and a herringbone chain and he's every drug dealer from late 80s after school specials. (zubaz pants optional)

and it doesn't make me sad at all. and I normally don't comment on players and the $$ of their contract, because it's private IMO and their reasons are their business, but Marner seems to be getting bad advice.

Bob McKenzie
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TOR has made seven and eight year offers in the $11M AAV universe but because it�s a lower AAV and longer term than Auston Matthews, it hasn�t been palatable to Marner.
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Not that the Rangers can meet his demands, either

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Not that the Rangers can meet his demands, either

no one really can unless he wants to get shipped out to Ottawa or maybe he gets traded for Laine or something like that.

Apparently this has gotten very personal for Marner's camp, and they're making a lot of lofty comparisons the Matthews. They feel insulted he's being considered "second fiddle"
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Leafs needed D and to sign their own, instead...

Nik- #HereWeGo (0-1) #SHALIEVE
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Gallo: So was caving to Nylander the mistake or giving Matthews a 5 year deal the mistake?

Gord Miller: my honest opinion, signing John Tavares was the mistake. They were the 3rd highest scoring team. They didn�t need him.

top 130 prospects came out today.

He has tiers:

Special NHL prospect: Projects as a true NHL star, someone who is among the best players in the league.

Elite NHL prospect: Projects as an impact player, someone who is top 10-15 percent in the NHL at his position.

High-end NHL prospect: Projects as a first-line forward or a top-pair defenseman.

Very good NHL prospect: Projects as a top-six forward, top-four defenseman or starting goaltender in the NHL.

Legit NHL prospect: Projects to be a full-time NHL player in the bottom half of a roster.

Has a chance: The prospect has a chance to make it as a full-time player if some improvements are made.

Depth Players: These are prospects who do not have NHL toolkits, but could be good AHL players and provide depth to an organization.

Only one player in top tier for him (Hughes).

Of the teams I know people on here like:

MTL: 6 players Cole Caufield highest at #6 (in the elite tier)

NYR: 4 players Kakko #2 overall and has him on the elite/special bubble

NYI: 5 players, Dobson the highest #20 overall & he is in the High End Prospect Tier

NJD: 3 players, Hughes #1 overall only player in the special talent tier

BOS: 1 player, Studnicka #101 in the Very Good/Legit Prospect tier

OTT: 6 players, Batherson #29

anyone else?

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Since it is behind a pay wall, can you put the other three Rangers prospects and where he has them ranked?

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Since it is behind a pay wall, can you put the other three Rangers prospects and where he has them ranked?

Kravtsov, Fox, and miller need to look up rank

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In comment 14572535 figgy2989 said: Quote: Since it is behind a pay wall, can you put the other three Rangers prospects and where he has them ranked? Kravtsov, Fox, and miller need to look up rank

thanks pj. I would have guessed Kravtsov and Fox, surprised he didn't have Shestyorkin.

Get with the program!

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Get with the program!

Right, forgot the spelling change! Can we just call him Shesty from now on?

I should have mentioned that. Speaking of goalies the Yaro Askarov bandwagon is filling up. Highest rated goalie at this point I can remember.

Anyway:

Kakko #2 (elite/special bubble)
Kravstov #21 (High End prospect)
Fox #39 (High End/Very Good bubble)
Miller # 48 (Very good prospect)

And I also think 6 the Rangers' Robertson will make the list next time.

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And I also think 6 the Rangers' Robertson will make the list next time.

next time Kakko, Fox and Kravstov likely won't be eligible. Pronman set a 25 NHL game max to be considered. Which is why Chytil (or Kotkaniemi for example) isn't eligible (but Makar is). Miller likely on the next one still even if he joins the Rangers after the WIS season. Probably doesn't get 25 games in.

It's a legit possibility that these Rangers prospects could potentially be on the list next year..

Miller
Lundkvist
Robertson
Reunanen
Barron
Henriksson

As discussed,,,they are very deep in talented prospects

In comment 14572119 pjcas18 said:

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Leafs needed D and to sign their own, instead... Nik- #HereWeGo (0-1) #SHALIEVE 🦁 @NikkF07 Gallo: So was caving to Nylander the mistake or giving Matthews a 5 year deal the mistake? Gord Miller: my honest opinion, signing John Tavares was the mistake. They were the 3rd highest scoring team. They didn�t need him.

I think Tavares at $11M>Marner at $8M.

I think signing Andersen was a mistake. Marleau was a mistake, although that's done.

Haven't been up to date.

(at least to me).

I believe Marner > Tavares and he's 7 years younger.

Marner put up a 94-point season as a 21-year old and it was assist heavy, which at that age is a good thing IMO, he was the one creating offense.

most of the metrics I believe also favor Marner over Matthews FWIW - which is the crux of this stalemate.

And yea, Marner wants $11M (at least) but only for 6 years or whatever Matthews got. Not longer, he (or his "camp") view longer term as a concession.

Marner's a great player, but I don't think he puts up 90+ without JT.

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Marner's a great player, but I don't think he puts up 90+ without JT.

First, I think both are great players and I'd take either on my team in a heartbeat.

But I think they benefited each other, both eclipsed career highs, but with Tavares being a mature player already and Marner being just 21, I think his upside is just higher when Tavares IMO is what he is going to be.

I guess it's the ol' floor versus ceiling argument - Fox has the higher floor, Miller has the higher ceiling.

Yeah, that's fair.

My initial post was probably aggressive. I'd take eight years of Tavares over eight years of Marner, even at their respective ages.

Both are great platers, I can see the age thing swinging views.

Offensive game, fwiw.

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Offensive game, fwiw.

Being a converted forward that surprises me.

Every time I have seen him he's been quick to activate or join the rush.

might take some time.

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Yeah, that's fair. My initial post was probably aggressive. I'd take eight years of Tavares over eight years of Marner, even at their respective ages. Both are great platers, I can see the age thing swinging views.

that might be exactly what they get, the longer they go without signing him the worse it is for all involved.

I think MTL messed up with the offer sheet to Aho and should have made one to Marner. Though I suspect the offer sheet to Aho was really a favor to the agent to get CAR moving.

In case people don't follow the Habs Leafs rivalry has reach new levels this off-season with the sandpaper-personified Domi family trolling Toronto all summer.

Marner has more value IMO

I think he even received death threats. Many years later it seems as fans, maybe we don't know the whole story.

Subban is still one of my favorite players to watch and an incredible human being, but I guess he's not the most coachable as a player.

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about Karl Henriksson as I think he's one to keep an eye on.

My wife's cousin live in Vancouver and is friendly with some former NHLers turned scouts. He keeps telling me that these guys love him.
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He stood out at the rookie tournament in Traverse City.

rankings out for the season.
Spencer Knight #2, I love Spencer Knight's potential, but FL just signed Bobrovsky long-term so no clue how Knight sees the NHL if it's not via trade.

He is a young Carey Price IMO. So positionally sound, calm in net, athletic, great with the puck, I haven't seen enough of Askarov, but if scouts see Askarov as measurably better than Knight I can't wait to see more.

#1 is Thatcher Demko (VAN).
Another American (like Knight) who is very athletic for his size. I think Knight is better though.



Igor Shesterkin #3. His size and occasional leaky pucks are the only negatives.

Cayden Primeau (Keith's son) for MTL is #4

All 4 are in the "Very Good NHL Prospect" tier.

other relevant ones for fans here (and all are in the very good/legit bubble):

Samsonov: WAS
Sorokin: NYI

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6 years.

Oh well, I was hoping it got ugly.

under $11M AAV, which is less AAV than the longer term (8 year) offer, but I guess the way these guys view is $60+ M is not enough they want to break the bank again in their prime to take them into their 30's.

good for him if he can get it.

a lot for 4 players.

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@dalter
The combined cap hit of John Tavares, Auston Matthews, William Nylander and Mitch Marner is $40.489366 million. The salary cap for this year is $81.5 million.

the Nylander deal was the one that really screwed everything up, obviously you pay those top 3 guys whatever you have to, but now he's got a lot riding on a roster with an entirely new defensive group and very little he can do to upgrade. No room against the cap, bottom 1/3 prospect pool, no first last year or next year. They only have 1 defenseman under contract for next year and only project to $13m to spend. They desperately need Nylander to play well so they can flip his salary for D.

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the Nylander deal was the one that really screwed everything up, obviously you pay those top 3 guys whatever you have to, but now he's got a lot riding on a roster with an entirely new defensive group and very little he can do to upgrade. No room against the cap, bottom 1/3 prospect pool, no first last year or next year. They only have 1 defenseman under contract for next year and only project to $13m to spend. They desperately need Nylander to play well so they can flip his salary for D.

and they're still probably the Bruins bitch in the playoffs.

I knew this would happen, but hoped it wouldn't.

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Charlie McAvoy has agreed to terms with BOS. Three-year deal, $4.9M AAV. Very similar to Zach Werenski�s three-year, $5M AAV deal with CBJ. McAvoy could make up the $300K difference because his Year 3 salary, and Qualifying Offer base, is $7.3M, $300K more than Werenski�s.

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and they're still probably the Bruins bitch in the playoffs.

If they even get that far in the playoffs with that defense. They are a lock to get 100+ points but at playoff time their defense is seemingly an even bigger question this year vs. last year. Gardner, Zaitsev, and Hainsey each played over 20 mpg last year. Barrie will probably replace most of their point production but they are counting on a bunch of journeyman young guys (and Ceci) to replace the minutes. And if Barrie has a good year good luck resigning him next year, they can barely afford him now with Colorado retaining $.

For a team that's top heavy, and mostly with young guys, they are very win now. And with no more picks to deal a lot of pressure is riding on this group to come together and improve (and specifically on Babcock).

Hughes (NJD), Makar (COL), Kakko (NYR), Hughes (Quinn) (VAN), Batherson (OTT) (top 5).


For BBI hockey fans:
Kravtsov and Fox (NYR) also top 10
on the list:
Brannstrom (OTT)
Necas (CAR)
Logan Brown (OTT)
Ty Smith (NJD)

And
Suzuki/Poehling (MTL)
Dobson (NYI)
Bean (CAR)

were honorable mention

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scores in his first pre-season game (PP goal vs the Bruins)
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re-signed in VAN, 3 years AAV 5.85M.

RFA list slowly dwindling.

Point, Laine, Carlo maybe a couple more.

with 2 goals in his pre-season debut.

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Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, Trouba, Fox, and Shesterkin all making their Ranger debuts together. That's good marketing.

In comment 14581850 pjcas18 said:

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with 2 goals in his pre-season debut.

kind of symbiotic with Eli leaving center stage of the area sports scene today and Hughes/Kakko entering.