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NFT: NHL: Pronman Farm System Rankings

pjcas18 : 8/12/2019 9:09 am
I think Corey will announce two per day over the next few weeks/to month (I think one a day), so while it is behind the Athletic paywall (which as a side note broke my lifelong rule of never paying for content on the Internet and it's some of the best money I have ever spent) I feel like we can discuss it if people want as he reveals his list.

This should bring us into the pre-season.

I have posted some other rankings (Sportingnews - which was free).

But Pronman will go into much more depth about the systems. I will not on this thread except for the teams people have interest on here and I'll just be mostly parroting Pronman or others (Wheeler, etc.). I haven't seen many of these guys play ever.

So far:
31. Calgary Flames
30. Capitals

Hard to argue with either - the Caps won a cup a year ago and the past few years I've had the Flames as one of my breakout teams. A lot of good youth at the NHL level, just haven't found consistency in the net or the ice.

Criteria:
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There is no good way to define a prospect, whether objectively or subjectively, someone is going to get left out by the process, it’s just the way it goes.

With that said, the eligibility for being a prospect for these rankings is:

A skater no longer qualifies as an NHL prospect if he has played 25 games in the NHL in any campaign, regular season and playoffs combined, or 50 games total; or reaches age 27 by Sept. 15.

A goalie no longer qualifies as an NHL prospect if he has played 10 games in the NHL in any campaign, regular season and playoffs combined, or 25 games total; or reaches age 27 by Sept. 15.



Link below for the site that will be updated each day/as he completes a teams ranking/write up
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This link  
Jay in Toronto : 8/31/2019 8:59 am : link
is for you, PJ ;)
Go Badgers - ( New Window )
RE: This link  
pjcas18 : 8/31/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14552108 Jay in Toronto said:
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is for you, PJ ;) Go Badgers - ( New Window )


I've seen a bunch of Badger hype videos. I wouldn't be shocked if they're #1 or close to it when the polls come out.
RE: One step closer  
pjcas18 : 8/31/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14551388 pjcas18 said:
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to a work stoppage, would be something like the 5th one while Bettman is commissioner.

I don't see how he survives.


Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
· 5m
The NHL has formally notified the NHLPA that it will not re-open the CBA. Deadline to do so was this weekend. The player window to re-open runs through Sept. 15.


I misunderstood this, this is not a bad sign. Not necessarily a monumental move, but it's more good than bad.
RE: This link  
pjcas18 : 8/31/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14552108 Jay in Toronto said:
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is for you, PJ ;) Go Badgers - ( New Window )


I hope you see a lot of this (for one year)
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Jay in Toronto : 8/31/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14552576 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14552108 Jay in Toronto said:


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is for you, PJ ;) Go Badgers - ( New Window )



I hope you see a lot of this (for one year) Link - ( New Window )


I suppose you mean cause next year he'll be with the Habs. Probably true.

Frustrating that Dmen don't get mentions unless they are on the scoresheet. I'd like to know how Miller is doing.

Apparently UW will be streaming the games during the season.
Yeah, I see Caufield as a one and done  
pjcas18 : 9/1/2019 10:11 am : link
in Wisco.

Bet this KHL goalie is drowning his sorrows in some stoli (I think the coach even yanked him after this)
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pjcas18 : 9/1/2019 8:44 pm : link
4 goals in his first two WIS games (exhibitions, but still competitive games)

Wisconsin Hockey
@BadgerMHockey
· 30m
Freshman Cole Caufield records first hat trick in Badger uniform as the #Badgers finish off their road trip to Vancouver with a 7-5 win over British Columbia
Here is the Caufield  
pjcas18 : 9/1/2019 8:45 pm : link
goal to seal the hat trick:
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And for the Rangers fans  
pjcas18 : 9/1/2019 9:13 pm : link
like Jay mentioned above

K'Andre Miller had 4 assists in the game.

I believe  
Jay in Toronto : 9/1/2019 9:26 pm : link
Gorniak is Hab property as well.

Game was streamed on Facebook. I hope future games are as well.
RE: I believe  
pjcas18 : 9/1/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14554988 Jay in Toronto said:
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Gorniak is Hab property as well.

Game was streamed on Facebook. I hope future games are as well.


yep, he is.

Dhoogie is fun to watch too. He's tiny - even compared with Caufield. He's just 5' 3", so I think NCAA is it for him, but he can light the lamp.
RE: RE: I believe  
Jay in Toronto : 9/2/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14554992 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14554988 Jay in Toronto said:


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Gorniak is Hab property as well.


Maybe that
Game was streamed on Facebook. I hope future games are as well.



yep, he is.

Dhoogie is fun to watch too. He's tiny - even compared with Caufield. He's just 5' 3", so I think NCAA is it for him, but he can light the lamp.


Maybe that's why Caufield chose UW, so he wouldn't be the smallest guy on the team ;)

I thinks LOTS of teams are going to regret not drafting him when they had the opportunity. He is scoring bucketfuls at every level he is playing. Habs will be very pleased, IMO.
VAN  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2019 11:04 am : link
# 5 in Pronmans rankings
NY Rangers  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2019 11:12 am : link
season preview by Dom Luszczyszyn.

I like his stuff. He has a projected 3rd line of Lemieux, Andersson, and Kravstov. I'd pay admission to watch that line play. I think they'll become a fan favorite line, if that happens.

He's not a huge fan of Chytil or Andersson, but i think he's wrong.

If you are a Rangers fan this review with a summary from Carpinello is probably worth the annual Athletic fee.

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...At this junction, it seems like the team is being set up for failure with Filip Chytil (turns 20 on Sept. 5), Lias Andersson (turns 22 in October) and Brett Howden (21) as its main options at center after the talented Mika Zibanejad. Last year was each player’s first taste of NHL action, and none of them really showed they belonged in the big leagues with their play.

The Rangers were one of the league’s worst five-on-five teams last year, earning an expected goal percentage under 47 percent, and that trio of rookies was part of the problem. Of the Rangers’ 14 forwards who earned 250 or more five-on-five minutes, the rookies ranked 10th (Chytil), 12th (Howden) and 13th (Andersson) in expected goals percentage. The latter two especially struggled at 41 percent each, and all three were heavily outscored as a result.

For Chytil and Andersson, the issue was on offense, where the Rangers couldn’t buy a goal from them or their linemates. Both players had a five-on-five points-per-60 rate under 1, which would be considered under replacement level last season. Howden was a more effective scorer at 1.63 points per 60, a second-line rate, but he comes with the trouble of being one of the league’s worst defensive players. His 3.25 expected goals-against per 60 was the worst in the league last season....

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LA Kings #4  
pjcas18 : 9/3/2019 8:44 am : link
top 3, Rangers, Av's and Devils, I suspect in that order 1 - 3, but we'll see what Pronman says.

Full list:

4. Los Angeles Kings

5. Vancouver Canucks

6. Montreal Canadiens

7. Philadelphia Flyers

8. Carolina Hurricanes

9. Edmonton Oilers

10. Chicago Blackhawks

11. Vegas Golden Knights

12. Ottawa Senators

13. Detroit Red Wings

14. Anaheim Ducks

15. Florida Panthers

16. New York Islanders

17. Arizona Coyotes

18. Buffalo Sabres

19. St. Louis Blues

20. San Jose Sharks

21. Toronto Maple Leafs

22. Minnesota Wild

23. Tampa Bay Lightning

24. Dallas Stars

25. Columbus Blue Jackets

26. Nashville Predators

27. Winnipeg Jets

28. Pittsburgh Penguins

29. Boston Bruins

30. Washington Capitals

31. Calgary Flames

link to in-depth write-ups
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NJD #3  
pjcas18 : 9/4/2019 8:13 am : link
final two are the AV's and NYR.

NJD jumped from #20 to #3 - with only Hughes as the main addition - that's how special some people think he will be.

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He has the potential to be a star, play-driving, No. 1 center.


We'll see, but the Devils definitely made themselves relevant again, with the off-season they had.

Full list linked below with links to each team write up.
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Most of you Rangers fans will like this  
pjcas18 : 9/4/2019 4:02 pm : link
Rick Carpiniello
@RickCarpiniello
·
7m
Per impeccable source, Pierre McGuire has been removed from NBC Sports' No. 1 hockey team, to be replaced by Brian Boucher.
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Kyle in NY : 9/4/2019 4:06 pm : link
That is fantastic news, my ears are grateful
As much as many of us may appreciate that news,  
Mad Mike : 9/4/2019 4:16 pm : link
I think our feelings pale in comparison to Pat Verbeek's excitement.
RE: As much as many of us may appreciate that news,  
pjcas18 : 9/4/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14558662 Mad Mike said:
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I think our feelings pale in comparison to Pat Verbeek's excitement.


lol, not just verbeek, Jagr, and others. He might be top 5 most hated men in hockey.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 9/4/2019 4:38 pm : link
I've never hated Pierre. Fight me, nerds.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/4/2019 4:41 pm : link
BTW, I went back to the Bleacher Report's prospects rankings from 2016. Kings, Rangers, Blackhawks were bottom three. Blues were 4th from the bottom. CBJ, Arizona, and Toronto were top three.

Imperfect, but not terrible predictor of future success? Most teams in the top/bottom third seem to be directionally correct just eyeballing it.
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Sidney Crosby and Kristopher Letang weep  
Anakim : 9/4/2019 5:12 pm : link
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RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 9/4/2019 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14558695 BrettNYG10 said:
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BTW, I went back to the Bleacher Report's prospects rankings from 2016. Kings, Rangers, Blackhawks were bottom three. Blues were 4th from the bottom. CBJ, Arizona, and Toronto were top three.

Imperfect, but not terrible predictor of future success? Most teams in the top/bottom third seem to be directionally correct just eyeballing it. Bleacher Report - ( New Window )


makes sense. It's when you have a bad NHL team and a bad farm that you need to consider a change - front office, coach, something.

BUF - bottom 3rd farm, and missed playoffs consistently
ARI - see BUFF

in theory, when you are a contender your farm should be worse ranked because you are more apt to trade draft picks and young players/prospects for players who can help you immediately.

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BrettNYG10 : 9/4/2019 5:53 pm : link
pj, yeah. Some of it is mean reversion, etc. It shouldn't be perfect, too many moving pieces. But it does seem to have some marginal predictive value (and I definitely hope so as a Ranger fan).

Devils had a great off-season, but they're toast if Hall leaves.
Agree  
pjcas18 : 9/4/2019 6:39 pm : link
on NJD they need to keep Hall and maybe adding Subban and drafting Hughes makes the team more likely to keep Hall.

I am actually looking forward to watching Hughes compete vs NHL players. One of the most interesting story lines for me for the upcoming season. he looked tiny at the draft lottery dwarfed by Kathryn Tappen. Didn't exactly instill fear in defenders.

But Cole Caufield is tiny next to Hughes and he doesn't concern me as much for some reason.
incarceratedbob  
pjcas18 : 9/4/2019 9:28 pm : link
claims Jets in talks involving Laine and 3 eastern conference teams.

consider the source, but it is being shared on twitter by real sources so who knows.
No chance that the Rangers could fit him under our cap  
yatqb : 9/4/2019 9:54 pm : link
unless they trade Kreider, Buch and a defenseman for him.
RE: NJD #3  
Jay in Toronto : 9/4/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14557910 pjcas18 said:
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final two are the AV's and NYR.

NJD jumped from #20 to #3 - with only Hughes as the main addition - that's how special some people think he will be.



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He has the potential to be a star, play-driving, No. 1 center.



We'll see, but the Devils definitely made themselves relevant again, with the off-season they had.

Full list linked below with links to each team write up. Link - ( New Window )


He loves Ty Smith as well
Rangers are #1  
SJGiant : 9/5/2019 7:46 am : link
and Avs are #2 farm system. Both systems are considered at the same tier level.
Rangers top 10  
pjcas18 : 9/5/2019 8:18 am : link
is Kakko, Kravstov, Shesterkin and 7 D.

Makes sense.
Pretty cool  
Kyle in NY : 9/5/2019 10:11 am : link
From probably a bottom 5 system to a consensus top 3 and #1 ranked here in about three years. It could be a bit fleeting since that top 3 is going to graduate right away. But the process is working.
Pronman  
pjcas18 : 9/5/2019 10:17 am : link
didn't seem to indicate Kakko and Hughes were that close, but Kakko is a top 6 forward from day 1.

He also didn't seem as high om Fox as others like Wheeler are.

Felt PP QB and good offensive D, but might be protected by coaches early on.

Still almost everyone in the top 20 is a "solid prospect" so it indicates the farm is not just top heavy, but also deep.

At least in his opinion
RE: Pronman  
Ross : 9/5/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14559348 pjcas18 said:
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didn't seem to indicate Kakko and Hughes were that close, but Kakko is a top 6 forward from day 1.

He also didn't seem as high om Fox as others like Wheeler are.

Felt PP QB and good offensive D, but might be protected by coaches early on.

Still almost everyone in the top 20 is a "solid prospect" so it indicates the farm is not just top heavy, but also deep.

At least in his opinion


I agree that the Rangers farm system to very deep. In the past, guys like Barron (#21 per Pronman), Lindgren(#23), Rykov (#18)and Henriksson (#14) would all be considered the some of the Rangers top prospects as I think all will play in the NHL. It's truly amazing what Gorton has done.
Jake Gardiner  
pjcas18 : 9/6/2019 1:53 pm : link
to the Canes 4 years AAV 4.05M.

Good deal, solid, but unspectacular D.

Canes building a powerhouse on D.

maybe they try and trade for an RFA - one of their D like Dougie Hamilton maybe.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/6/2019 2:20 pm : link
His commentary on the guys wasn't as enthusiastic as the rankings had me thinking they would be.

I haven't watched much of these guys, so I love to see them hyped the fuck up.
The Rangers prospect  
pjcas18 : 9/6/2019 2:47 pm : link
I'm mot curious to see is actually Shesterkin. Mainly because of the top 10 I've seen him the least.

goalies seems so hard to predict IMO too.

I don't know if KHL stats translate to NHL.

and speaking of goalies I haven't heard anyone as bullish on a goalie as they (the consensus) are about Yaro Askarov - he's already being hailed the next Roy.

But I watch Spencer Knight and I see a much more calm and positionally sound goalie. he looks like a young Carey Price to me - "a true if he sees it he'll save it - but even if he doesn't see it there's a good chance he'll be in position to save it" - goalie.

but I'm no expert. especially on goalies.

Canadiens Senators  
pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 7:18 pm : link
stream on Facebook
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RE: Canadiens Senators  
pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14562885 pjcas18 said:
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stream on Facebook Link - ( New Window )


sorry, rookies
Rangers rookies on too  
pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 7:36 pm : link
sounds like a better start than yesterday. I could not give a shit about the score of these games though, it's about how the players look individually - which is rare for hockey, but in this forum that's what I'd look for.

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Adam Herman
@AdamZHerman
·
10m
2019 2nd-round pick Karl Henriksson deflects an Adam Fox point shot to tie the game 1-1. Kravtsov with the secondary assist.
unrelated to this  
pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 7:40 pm : link
and it pains me a little bit, but we went to a Bruins Foundation charity event for austism today and Charlie McAvoy signed my daughters jersey (a #73 McAvoy jersey). She couldn't stop smiling (she is #73 on her team because McAvoy is her favorite player).

He is a good dude and a Giants fan. I hope the Bruins can't re-sign him.

pjcas  
Mike in NY : 9/7/2019 8:56 pm : link
What do you expect from Ryan Poehling this year? I have him in a keeper league and while we have 1 NA spot I would hate using a keeper on that.
If I don’t keep him  
Mike in NY : 9/7/2019 8:57 pm : link
I would keep Werenski or William Karlsson instead
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14562963 Mike in NY said:
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What do you expect from Ryan Poehling this year? I have him in a keeper league and while we have 1 NA spot I would hate using a keeper on that.


depends if he makes the team out of camp or not. If he makes it, he's probably the 3rd line center.

If he keeps up his pace (4 goals per game), he'll be great, seriously, I wouldn't hold a spot for him (depending on who your other options are) - though I love his game. I don't how good he'll be in fantasy
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pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14562965 Mike in NY said:
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I would keep Werenski or William Karlsson instead


I always opt for centers in fantasy hockey if position doesn't matter, but I love Werenski - at D.
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pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 9:35 pm : link
Scott Wheeler
@scottcwheeler
·
18m
Standouts in Stars vs. Rangers in Traverse City:

DAL: Djuse, Kiviranta (best player)
NYR: Henriksson, Fox (best player), Robertson, Kravtsov
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Mike in NY : 9/7/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14562969 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14562965 Mike in NY said:


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I would keep Werenski or William Karlsson instead



I always opt for centers in fantasy hockey if position doesn't matter, but I love Werenski - at D.


14 keepers. I have 3 goalies (Bishop, Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck). On offense I have Draisaitl, Rantanen, Pettersson, DeBrincat, Subban, Barzal, Klingberg, Dylan Strome, Meier, and Couturier. The question is my final keeper.
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pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14563019 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14562969 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 14562965 Mike in NY said:


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I would keep Werenski or William Karlsson instead



I always opt for centers in fantasy hockey if position doesn't matter, but I love Werenski - at D.



14 keepers. I have 3 goalies (Bishop, Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck). On offense I have Draisaitl, Rantanen, Pettersson, DeBrincat, Subban, Barzal, Klingberg, Dylan Strome, Meier, and Couturier. The question is my final keeper.


I'd probably keep Werenski.

Karlsson only had 12 more points than Werenski.

I think both are probably better bets for more points (next year at least) than Poehling.

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JPinstripes : 9/7/2019 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14563000 pjcas18 said:
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Scott Wheeler
@scottcwheeler
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18m
Standouts in Stars vs. Rangers in Traverse City:

DAL: Djuse, Kiviranta (best player)
NYR: Henriksson, Fox (best player), Robertson, Kravtsov


Fox with 2 goals and 3 assists tonight, impressive stat line.
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pjcas18 : 9/8/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14563041 JPinstripes said:
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Scott Wheeler
@scottcwheeler
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18m
Standouts in Stars vs. Rangers in Traverse City:

DAL: Djuse, Kiviranta (best player)
NYR: Henriksson, Fox (best player), Robertson, Kravtsov



Fox with 2 goals and 3 assists tonight, impressive stat line.

Kakko didn't play again (illness), might play next game.
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