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NFT: NHL: Pronman Farm System Rankings

pjcas18 : 8/12/2019 9:09 am
I think Corey will announce two per day over the next few weeks/to month (I think one a day), so while it is behind the Athletic paywall (which as a side note broke my lifelong rule of never paying for content on the Internet and it's some of the best money I have ever spent) I feel like we can discuss it if people want as he reveals his list.

This should bring us into the pre-season.

I have posted some other rankings (Sportingnews - which was free).

But Pronman will go into much more depth about the systems. I will not on this thread except for the teams people have interest on here and I'll just be mostly parroting Pronman or others (Wheeler, etc.). I haven't seen many of these guys play ever.

So far:
31. Calgary Flames
30. Capitals

Hard to argue with either - the Caps won a cup a year ago and the past few years I've had the Flames as one of my breakout teams. A lot of good youth at the NHL level, just haven't found consistency in the net or the ice.

Criteria:
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There is no good way to define a prospect, whether objectively or subjectively, someone is going to get left out by the process, its just the way it goes.

With that said, the eligibility for being a prospect for these rankings is:

A skater no longer qualifies as an NHL prospect if he has played 25 games in the NHL in any campaign, regular season and playoffs combined, or 50 games total; or reaches age 27 by Sept. 15.

A goalie no longer qualifies as an NHL prospect if he has played 10 games in the NHL in any campaign, regular season and playoffs combined, or 25 games total; or reaches age 27 by Sept. 15.



Link below for the site that will be updated each day/as he completes a teams ranking/write up
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RE: unrelated to this  
BrettNYG10 : 9/8/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14562903 pjcas18 said:
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and it pains me a little bit, but we went to a Bruins Foundation charity event for austism today and Charlie McAvoy signed my daughters jersey (a #73 McAvoy jersey). She couldn't stop smiling (she is #73 on her team because McAvoy is her favorite player).

He is a good dude and a Giants fan. I hope the Bruins can't re-sign him.



That's awesome!
RE: RE: unrelated to this  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14563382 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 14562903 pjcas18 said:


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and it pains me a little bit, but we went to a Bruins Foundation charity event for austism today and Charlie McAvoy signed my daughters jersey (a #73 McAvoy jersey). She couldn't stop smiling (she is #73 on her team because McAvoy is her favorite player).

He is a good dude and a Giants fan. I hope the Bruins can't re-sign him.





That's awesome!


She was practically in tears, and it wasn't just McAvoy. Matt Grzelcyk and Torrey Krug were great, hanging out, talking to the kids about hockey, taking pictures, signing things, even allowed me to put say my sports hate for a while and just appreciate how some athletes are selfless (this was for charity) and it was a saturday night in the middle of EEE infested Massachusetts.

anyway, I'm back to hating the Bruins.

Rangers, et al, rookie note:

Scott Wheeler
@scottcwheeler

5m
Last day of group play in Traverse City before tomorrows finals. Full schedule:
2pm: Stars (1-1) vs. Blue Jackets (2-0)
2:30pm: Wild (0-2) vs. Rangers (1-1)
5:30pm: Blues (0-2) vs. Blackhawks (1-1)
6pm: Leafs (2-0) vs. Red Wings (1-1)
I thought Montreal had a good showing in the Belleville rookie tourny  
Andy in Halifax : 9/9/2019 10:05 am : link
Yes, I know that could seem snarky considering they lost to Ottawa but I mean it sincerely. They were without 4 top prospects and while Ottawa was missing 3 of theirs they weren't quite the same level as what Montreal was missing imo.

I think Pronman was wrong about Ottawa's system and that showed this weekend but Montreal does have a really nice system. They were impressive I thought.
I agree Andy  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 10:40 am : link
Sens looked great and have a good farm right now.

Logan Brown was a beast. I didn't realize how big he was until watching these games.

I was fine with the habs performance, in these showcases I'm looking more at individual results. I felt like Poehling and Suzuki were exactly what I expected. Leskinen was a surprise, looked like he could compete for an NHL role this year. And Harvey-Pinard surprised me.

I thought Josh Brook was pretty bad, so many turnovers.

Watching a lot of Q games last year  
Andy in Halifax : 9/9/2019 10:49 am : link
Harvey-Pinard always impressed me. His energy and work ethic stand out on the ice and he's just relentless. I think he makes it. Maybe as a 3rd or 4th liner but I think he makes it/ I think as he was undrafted twice but some kids just play themselves up and I think he's one that will.
RE: Watching a lot of Q games last year  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14567822 Andy in Halifax said:
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Harvey-Pinard always impressed me. His energy and work ethic stand out on the ice and he's just relentless. I think he makes it. Maybe as a 3rd or 4th liner but I think he makes it/ I think as he was undrafted twice but some kids just play themselves up and I think he's one that will.


Is the Q on TV up there? That's the last thing I need LOL, more hockey watching opportunities, but I'd love it.
This doesn't sound good  
Anakim : 9/9/2019 11:24 am : link
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Anakim : 9/9/2019 11:33 am : link
Tom Gulitti
@TomGulittiNHL
Ovechkin took practice twirl and looks like hes actually going to resume scrimmage
I read an interview  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 11:41 am : link
that Ovi changed his off-season workout in an effort to improve his speed.

In that interview he said he's 240 pounds. No way that's true. is it? I know he's a tank, but 240 is byfuglien size.
Damn  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 11:48 am : link
Werenski is one of my favorites, but as an RFA anything else was a pipe dream:

TSN
@TSN_Sports
Report: CBJ, Werenski reach 3-year, $15M deal. MORE: https://tsn.ca/report-columbu
RE: Damn  
Anakim : 9/9/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14568031 pjcas18 said:
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Werenski is one of my favorites, but as an RFA anything else was a pipe dream:

TSN
@TSN_Sports
Report: CBJ, Werenski reach 3-year, $15M deal. MORE: https://tsn.ca/report-columbu


Bad deal for Werenski. He definitely could've gotten more. Look at what his fellow RFAs are getting.
RE: RE: Damn  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14568043 Anakim said:
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Werenski is one of my favorites, but as an RFA anything else was a pipe dream:

TSN
@TSN_Sports
Report: CBJ, Werenski reach 3-year, $15M deal. MORE: https://tsn.ca/report-columbu



Bad deal for Werenski. He definitely could've gotten more. Look at what his fellow RFAs are getting.


He asked for the bridge deal, which signifies to me maybe h doesn't want to be in Columbus long term.

Worst case he's a UFA at 25.
RE: RE: RE: Damn  
Anakim : 9/9/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14568054 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14568043 Anakim said:


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In comment 14568031 pjcas18 said:


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Werenski is one of my favorites, but as an RFA anything else was a pipe dream:

TSN
@TSN_Sports
Report: CBJ, Werenski reach 3-year, $15M deal. MORE: https://tsn.ca/report-columbu



Bad deal for Werenski. He definitely could've gotten more. Look at what his fellow RFAs are getting.



He asked for the bridge deal, which signifies to me maybe h doesn't want to be in Columbus long term.

Worst case he's a UFA at 25.


Unsurprisingly, but he should still have gotten more than 5M AAV
Kakko to play today and on the same line  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 1:23 pm : link
as Kravtsov. If I were a Rangers fan and had a way to do it I'd watch this.

this makes sense for both teams if Falk  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 1:27 pm : link
waives his NTC - which maybe he'd do with an extension.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Something to keep an eye on: there have been ongoing conversations between CAR and ANA about a Justin Faulk trade, but there are still details to be worked out (1/2)...

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC

11m
Replying to
@FriedgeHNIC
Faulk has a partial NTC which lists the Ducks and it is believed ANA wishes to pursue an extension. No one will comment on the likelihood of it occurring, but it has been intensely discussed
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pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 2:41 pm : link
All hail.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/9/2019 3:04 pm : link
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pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 4:13 pm : link
Corey Pronman
@coreypronman

1m
Kravtsov scores on PP.

NYR PP1

Elmer
Kakko Henriksson Kravtsov
Fox
Sounds like a good game  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 4:43 pm : link


Corey Pronman
@coreypronman

27m
Replying to
@coreypronman
Kravtsov again from a great feed by Kakko.


Corey Pronman
@coreypronman

4m
Kakko with a great play to set up the game tying goal w net empty. Good player.
Holy shit  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 4:50 pm : link
Kakko game winner.


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pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 5:03 pm : link
Scott Wheeler
@scottcwheeler

15m
Standouts in Wilds vs. Rangers in Traverse City:

NYR: Kravtsov (best player on the ice), Kakko (for his highlight reel OT goal mostly)
MIN: Beckman (despite having to serve a teammates 5-min penalty)

Rangers finish group round 2-1. Wild go 0-3.
Pinch me...  
JPinstripes : 9/9/2019 6:23 pm : link
Kakko 1 goal, 3 assists and the game-winner in OT beast mode goal.
Not taking away from that GW goal  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 6:25 pm : link
or the individual effort but there was massive interference in the zone to spring Kakko.

Still a great individual effort, but in a meaningful game that's a whistle IMO.
thought Kakko was going to wear #20?  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:26 pm : link
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or 22 maybe?  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:27 pm : link
I guess not 20 since they didn't deal Kreider, but I thought it was a number in the twenties
RE: thought Kakko was going to wear #20?  
JPinstripes : 9/9/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14569085 Greg from LI said:
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LOL
RE: or 22 maybe?  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 7:17 pm : link
In comment 14569088 Greg from LI said:
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I guess not 20 since they didn't deal Kreider, but I thought it was a number in the twenties


he may change his number. A lot of young players get stuck with high numbers early on and then move up as players leave (if they have another number).

Sounds like Zacha  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 9:11 am : link
threat was enough to get a deal done. I read Shero was pissed off by the KHL deal though.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC

2m
As reported here, word from the Czech Republic is Pavel Zacha and NJ are in agreement on an extension. Not official yet, but headed in that direction
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pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 9:33 am : link
Corey Pronman
@coreypronman

2m
Rangers sitting their top guys today for the 5th place game.
ok, it was 24  
Greg from LI : 9/10/2019 9:56 am : link
That was his number in Liiga and for Team Finland.
RE: ok, it was 24  
Anakim : 9/10/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14569961 Greg from LI said:
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That was his number in Liiga and for Team Finland.


That's generational talent Boo Nieves' number
like I said a lot of young guys  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 11:10 am : link
get high numbers early and then eventually get lower number of "their number" when it becomes available.

My only hope now is Charlie McAvoy doesn't change from #73 (I'm hopeful it's a reverse Bergeron tribute) because my daughter grew out of her hockey jerseys (like every year) and decided she wanted to be #73, so I bought jerseys big enough they fit for 2 years (I hope). I have had to buy new jerseys every year the past three years ($400 a set).

Every year the Bauer guy at the uniform fitting says "oh yeah, she'll get two years out of these" (and he laughs his ass off when I walk away)
Yeah, but Kakko isn't just any young player  
Greg from LI : 9/10/2019 11:37 am : link
He's the #2 overall pick, the highest the Rangers have ever had, and their best prospect since Brian Leetch 30+ years ago.

He's wearing 45 now but I bet he's 24 come the regular season.
RE: Yeah, but Kakko isn't just any young player  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14570166 Greg from LI said:
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He's the #2 overall pick, the highest the Rangers have ever had, and their best prospect since Brian Leetch 30+ years ago.

He's wearing 45 now but I bet he's 24 come the regular season.



agree. if he wants it.
Welp..  
Davisian : 9/10/2019 12:34 pm : link
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1171460474304512002

I read part of the reason  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 1:45 pm : link
the Pens dealt Kessel was because he and Malkin hate each other.

this is funny though:

Pens Inside Scoop
@PensInsideScoop
17m
Newcomer Alex Galchenyuk came to Pittsburgh with two sticks. Evgeni Malkin tried one. He liked it. Galchenyuk now has one stick. Welcome to the team #Pens -SK
bahahaha  
Greg from LI : 9/10/2019 3:45 pm : link
Ar10mi Panarin


@BrettMcguinness
3h3 hours ago
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Replying to @NYP_Brooksie @panarinnnn
Good on the rangers to retire #45 after yesterday
Seems like progress  
pjcas18 : 9/11/2019 9:06 am : link
the NHL really needs to avoid a work stoppage and they need to participate in the 2022 Olympics (in Beijing?).


John Shannon
@JShannonhl

3m
For the 4th straight business day, the NHL and the NHLPA will meet in NYC.
WTF  
pjcas18 : 9/11/2019 9:38 am : link
lol

And I say WTF as a skates before pants guy. shirt before pants seems like something a little kid would do.

Cassidy  
pjcas18 : 9/11/2019 9:40 am : link
extended in Boston, multi-year.

Good transaction, good coach, I hate him.
RE: Not taking away from that GW goal  
Jay in Toronto : 9/11/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14569080 pjcas18 said:
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or the individual effort but there was massive interference in the zone to spring Kakko.

Still a great individual effort, but in a meaningful game that's a whistle IMO.


Agreed, but when have you seen picks like that called?
RE: RE: Yeah, but Kakko isn't just any young player  
Jay in Toronto : 9/11/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14570239 pjcas18 said:
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He's the #2 overall pick, the highest the Rangers have ever had, and their best prospect since Brian Leetch 30+ years ago.

He's wearing 45 now but I bet he's 24 come the regular season.




agree. if he wants it.


Nieves has given it up.
RE: RE: Not taking away from that GW goal  
pjcas18 : 9/11/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14571472 Jay in Toronto said:
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or the individual effort but there was massive interference in the zone to spring Kakko.

Still a great individual effort, but in a meaningful game that's a whistle IMO.



Agreed, but when have you seen picks like that called?


Used to be rarely, now they get called all the time.
Holy shit look at his forehead  
pjcas18 : 9/11/2019 3:05 pm : link
it's Peyton Manning-esque.

And he is going to get a lot of shit from his teammates about that mustache. I read they're going to name him captain.

He looks like an extra from Pirates of the Caribbean  
Greg from LI : 9/11/2019 3:56 pm : link
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RE: He looks like an extra from Pirates of the Caribbean  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/11/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14571952 Greg from LI said:
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Mock turtle and a herringbone chain and he's every drug dealer from late 80s after school specials. (zubaz pants optional)
I see a divorce coming in TOR  
pjcas18 : 9/11/2019 4:13 pm : link
and it doesn't make me sad at all. and I normally don't comment on players and the $$ of their contract, because it's private IMO and their reasons are their business, but Marner seems to be getting bad advice.

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
5h
TOR has made seven and eight year offers in the $11M AAV universe but because its a lower AAV and longer term than Auston Matthews, it hasnt been palatable to Marner.
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he's more than welcome at MSG  
Greg from LI : 9/11/2019 5:07 pm : link
Not that the Rangers can meet his demands, either
RE: he's more than welcome at MSG  
pjcas18 : 9/11/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14572019 Greg from LI said:
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Not that the Rangers can meet his demands, either


no one really can unless he wants to get shipped out to Ottawa or maybe he gets traded for Laine or something like that.
This guy breaks the situation down nicely, IMO.  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/11/2019 5:20 pm : link
Apparently this has gotten very personal for Marner's camp, and they're making a lot of lofty comparisons the Matthews. They feel insulted he's being considered "second fiddle"
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