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Daniel Jones lack of arm strength

Grey Pilgrim : 8/12/2019 9:15 am
Obviously it a very small sample size, but DJones didn't seem to have alot of arm strength Thurs night.

Anyone know if this was a problem in college?

TIA
the goal is to complete the pass  
ron mexico : 8/12/2019 9:18 am : link
not throw it as fast as you can.

Which pass in particular are you talking about?
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arcarsenal : 8/12/2019 9:18 am : link
He didn't seem to have a lot of arm strength?

Not sure what you were watching, but I think most people saw the exact opposite. There was absolutely nothing lacking in that department on any of the passes he threw vs. the Jets.

Weird thread.
5 passes and you determined that huh?  
GiantsRage2007 : 8/12/2019 9:19 am : link
Come on...
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Jints in Carolina : 8/12/2019 9:19 am : link
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2019 9:19 am : link
You based this on what?
I don’t answer  
5BowlsSoon : 8/12/2019 9:21 am : link
TROLLS.....
This is a joke right?  
mattlawson : 8/12/2019 9:21 am : link
If so, we’ll done
The fish  
crick n NC : 8/12/2019 9:21 am : link
Are biting today!
This post  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2019 9:24 am : link
and the post about the Giants being the only team with 3 former head coaches where the Giants were their only HC job are two of the worst posts I've read on here in a long time.

and that says a lot, it's not a high bar.
Phil Simms on Daniel Jones  
Ira : 8/12/2019 9:27 am : link
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“Time will tell. I think it’s pretty evident that Daniel Jones really knows how to play the position. A much better athlete than we all thought. He is very accurate with the football. So that’s a lot to build on. I know he’s pretty smart, too.”

“There was a question, ‘Does he have elite arm strength?’ No, he does not,” Simms said. “But, when he needs to, he can definitely turn up the velocity to make some really good throws, which all quarterbacks need in this league to really be great.”

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LOL  
NoPeanutz : 8/12/2019 9:29 am : link
well done Pigrim. Made me smile this morning.
What You Talkin About Willis?  
Bernie : 8/12/2019 9:30 am : link
I thought the complete opposite. The ball came out quickly and with some zip. Looking forward to seeing him throw the deep ball, but I thought Thursday night should put an end to all of the "lack of arm strength" talk.
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arcarsenal : 8/12/2019 9:34 am : link
Unfortunately, there are so many bad takes around here that posts like these are almost impossible to figure out.

Hopefully sarcasm. Wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't, though!
Chris Carter didn’t mention any arm strength issues  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2019 9:36 am : link
so I think we’re good in that department...
RE: Chris Carter didn’t mention any arm strength issues  
crick n NC : 8/12/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14527256 Jimmy Googs said:
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so I think we’re good in that department...


On behalf of the bbi super sensitive faction about properly spelled names

Cris Carter
His pass to Latimer  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2019 9:38 am : link
refutes this. Plenty of zip with great touch. Are we watching different plays?
RE: RE: Chris Carter didn’t mention any arm strength issues  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14527258 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14527256 Jimmy Googs said:


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so I think we’re good in that department...



On behalf of the bbi super sensitive faction about properly spelled names

Cris Carter


Thx crik
As I saw when I went to camp he hit Alonzo Ruseelll  
Essex : 8/12/2019 9:44 am : link
In a tight window to the outside, 25 yards down the field—I can’t see how arm strength will ever be the issue with him. The remaining issue we have yet to see is how he processes an NFL field and pressure. Judging by Thursday night, I am really encouraged but obviously we will have to see more and under more adverse circumstances. And, of course, there will be bumps on the way. I am very optimistic, though, we have identified our next franchise QB.
Jones was fine Thursday...  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 9:44 am : link
Good pocket, one read, vanilla D, and delivered on time.

RE: RE: RE: Chris Carter didn’t mention any arm strength issues  
crick n NC : 8/12/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14527262 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14527258 crick n NC said:


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In comment 14527256 Jimmy Googs said:


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so I think we’re good in that department...



On behalf of the bbi super sensitive faction about properly spelled names

Cris Carter



Thx crik


{Chuckle}
RE: ...  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/12/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14527239 Eric from BBI said:
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You based this on what?


Not sure. Just generally speaking.

Montana didn't have elite arm strength so I'm not suggesting DJ can play and play well in the NFL.

HTH
RE: Phil Simms on Daniel Jones  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/12/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14527247 Ira said:
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“Time will tell. I think it’s pretty evident that Daniel Jones really knows how to play the position. A much better athlete than we all thought. He is very accurate with the football. So that’s a lot to build on. I know he’s pretty smart, too.”

“There was a question, ‘Does he have elite arm strength?’ No, he does not,” Simms said. “But, when he needs to, he can definitely turn up the velocity to make some really good throws, which all quarterbacks need in this league to really be great.”


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I agree with Phil.
Pretty sure sarcasm  
jvm52106 : 8/12/2019 9:45 am : link
was missed by a number of folks on this thread. Or, at least I sure the fuck hope the original post was sarcasm.
can't play that is  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/12/2019 9:45 am : link
...
Kind of remember  
joeinpa : 8/12/2019 9:47 am : link
Them saying Eli didn’t have an elite arm either.

I think it s been determined Jones has enough arm strength to make all the throws, although pretty sure His arm is not in Davis Webb s class when it comes to arm strength

Would you want Webb over him?
RE: RE: Phil Simms on Daniel Jones  
BigBlueShock : 8/12/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14527268 Grey Pilgrim said:
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In comment 14527247 Ira said:


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“Time will tell. I think it’s pretty evident that Daniel Jones really knows how to play the position. A much better athlete than we all thought. He is very accurate with the football. So that’s a lot to build on. I know he’s pretty smart, too.”

“There was a question, ‘Does he have elite arm strength?’ No, he does not,” Simms said. “But, when he needs to, he can definitely turn up the velocity to make some really good throws, which all quarterbacks need in this league to really be great.”


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I agree with Phil.

You do realize that there is an enormous gap between “lack of arm strength” which was what your OP said, and “elite” arm strength which Phil was talking about, correct?
RE: Pretty sure sarcasm  
arcarsenal : 8/12/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14527269 jvm52106 said:
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was missed by a number of folks on this thread. Or, at least I sure the fuck hope the original post was sarcasm.


It appears not.
anyone ever check out the NY Giants fans page on Facebook?  
Jints in Carolina : 8/12/2019 9:53 am : link
We have some really fucking dumb fans.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 9:54 am : link
so it isn't sarcasm??

Arc - I think you may have gotten arc'd or we are looking at a really dim bulb.
RE: LOL..  
arcarsenal : 8/12/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14527278 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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so it isn't sarcasm??

Arc - I think you may have gotten arc'd or we are looking at a really dim bulb.


I considered that after my first response - but seeing the follow up's by the OP, I'm thinking it's the latter.
RE: anyone ever check out the NY Giants fans page on Facebook?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14527277 Jints in Carolina said:
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We have some really fucking dumb fans.


That's a long trip when you can just read the game day threads.
No need for personal attacks  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/12/2019 10:00 am : link
It's just an honest appraisal albeit one based on a small sample size.

I was wondering if this is something that he had a problem with at Duke.

HTH
Cold weather in Giants Stadium  
Carl in CT : 8/12/2019 10:03 am : link
(I don’t recognize Met Life) will tell all.
So..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 10:07 am : link
these are just observations followed by
HTH

or

TIA??

WTF?

Maybe instead of abbreviations, get a fucking eye chart
RE: No need for personal attacks  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14527284 Grey Pilgrim said:
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It's just an honest appraisal albeit one based on a small sample size.

I was wondering if this is something that he had a problem with at Duke.

HTH


Did the Latimer pass lack pace and zip? Curious if you think that was lobbed, your answer will tell us a lot.
I must confess  
crick n NC : 8/12/2019 10:09 am : link
I had to Google HTH

Since this threads sucks, I'll put this here and nowhere else  
WideRight : 8/12/2019 10:12 am : link
His combination of athleticism, accuracy and lack of arm strength remind me of another NY QB drafted 5th overall in 2009.....
Just watched it again...  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/12/2019 10:15 am : link
And his arm seems stronger than I initially thought.

I’m too sexy for this field  
NJBlueTuna : 8/12/2019 10:25 am : link
Davis Webb
Kent Graham
Browning Nagel
JaMarcus Russell


It’s funny how everyone falls in love with arm strength. And yes, Graham had a cannon.
RE: Kind of remember  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/12/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14527272 joeinpa said:
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Them saying Eli didn’t have an elite arm either.

I think it s been determined Jones has enough arm strength to make all the throws, although pretty sure His arm is not in Davis Webb s class when it comes to arm strength

Would you want Webb over him?

I wouldn't say Eli has "elite" arm strength, he's a notch below the Favres. It's like "elite" arm strength pitcherz throwing in the 100 mph rang and Eli is someone who throws in the 95 mph range.
RE: I must confess  
ron mexico : 8/12/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14527295 crick n NC said:
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I had to Google HTH



My guess was "hand to heart"
Not a throwing contest  
mavric : 8/12/2019 10:51 am : link
anymore than a golfer who has the furthest drive is the best golfer in the world.

It's about touch, timing, and accuracy. It does no good to be able to throw a football through a brick wall if no one can catch it or if it is out of reach of the intended target.

Besides "touch, timing, and accuracy" (the critical athletic requirements), it's even more about the mental aspect of the QB who has to read changes defenses in a nano second, understand every defensive pattern in order to change plays on the fly, and gain the respect of every player on the team who then sees the QB as his bonafide leader. Jones has that in spades.
Eli is more like a few notches below Favre  
NJBlueTuna : 8/12/2019 10:52 am : link
It’s comical how people glorify the comparison arms and/or denigrate Jones’ arm. 3 years from now, IF jones is moderately successful, people will be saying what a great arm he has lol

The man is 6’5”...he doesn’t have a noodle arm. He just doesn’t have an elite rocket.
RE: His pass to Latimer  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/12/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14527259 UConn4523 said:
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refutes this. Plenty of zip with great touch. Are we watching different plays?

Excellent placement too. Latimer telegraphed the route with his loopy "cut". Let's just say he's not Wes Welker.
RE: Not a throwing contest  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14527358 mavric said:
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Besides "touch, timing, and accuracy" (the critical athletic requirements), it's even more about the mental aspect of the QB who has to read changes defenses in a nano second, understand every defensive pattern in order to change plays on the fly, and gain the respect of every player on the team who then sees the QB as his bonafide leader. Jones has that in spades.


Hmmm. He has all that is spades? Really?

Based on what?

RE: RE: I must confess  
crick n NC : 8/12/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14527357 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14527295 crick n NC said:


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I had to Google HTH





My guess was "hand to heart"


Pretty close -

I kept coming back to
Half Ton Hammer
It's TRUE...  
x meadowlander : 8/12/2019 11:26 am : link
...I saw Daniel Jones at a supermarket and the cart was stuck and he tried like 10 times but it was jammed and he couldn't get it unstuck and this little old lady came up and got them unstuck real easy and it was really embarrassing for him.
RE: It's TRUE...  
PatersonPlank : 8/12/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14527447 x meadowlander said:
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...I saw Daniel Jones at a supermarket and the cart was stuck and he tried like 10 times but it was jammed and he couldn't get it unstuck and this little old lady came up and got them unstuck real easy and it was really embarrassing for him.


Now his arm is too strong:

His fucking arm is too strong
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11:30 am : link : reply
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#GiantsCamp - Jones overthrows an open Wesley on a 50 yard post

I saw only one upside in Eli eventually retiring  
Mike from Ohio : 8/12/2019 12:08 pm : link
and that was an end to the idiotic Eli threads on BBI. It looks like we are just going to substitute DJ and continue on with them.

Oh goody.
RE: Just watched it again...  
10thAve : 8/12/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14527302 Grey Pilgrim said:
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And his arm seems stronger than I initially thought.

Watch it again tomorrow, it will seem even stronger than you thought.
RE: Not a throwing contest  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2019 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14527358 mavric said:
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anymore than a golfer who has the furthest drive is the best golfer in the world.



I'm not?
RE: I saw only one upside in Eli eventually retiring  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14527543 Mike from Ohio said:
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and that was an end to the idiotic Eli threads on BBI. It looks like we are just going to substitute DJ and continue on with them.

Oh goody.


As if you have something better to do...
RE: ...  
Hades07 : 8/12/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14527239 Eric from BBI said:
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You based this on what?

Preconceived notions.
In a previously unseen video, here is a picture of Jones trying  
PatersonPlank : 8/12/2019 1:26 pm : link
to improve his arm strength in the off season (he's the one on the right).



his arm strength is at least as good as Phillip Rivers'  
MM_in_NYC : 8/12/2019 2:29 pm : link
if he does not succeed in NFL it will not be because of arm strength
adequate  
arniefez : 8/12/2019 2:40 pm : link
he has adequate arm strength for an NFL starting QB. Anyone who says he has anywhere near a plus arm is has never seen a plus arm. John Elway had a plus arm. Brett Favre had a plus arm. Aaron Rogers has a plus arm. Jones showed accuracy in his brief cameo which will be essential since he only has adequate arm strength.
Anyone on this board..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 4:00 pm : link
who can make a claim on what arm strength he has is pretty clueless. Especially from a 5 pass drive.
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ghost718 : 8/12/2019 4:17 pm : link
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