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NFT: What's the best Scorsese picture?

adamg : 8/12/2019 12:22 pm
I vote Taxi Driver. I find it to be a very nuanced exploration of mental illness, identity, and masculinity. And I love Goodfellas, Casino, and the Departed, but those are much more shallow than Taxi Driver and they lack a character as compelling as Travis Bickle.

What say you BBI? Scoresese's best?
its tough  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2019 12:28 pm : link
because "Best Movie" for me isn't necessarily the one I enjoy the most. For example I think what he achieved in "Silence" was remarkable, but it isn't an enjoyable movie and I don't think I'll ever watch it again.

So I'll agree on Taxi driver with throwing in "Hugo" as a curveball honorable mention.
UConn  
adamg : 8/12/2019 12:30 pm : link
I agree with your take on the question. I think quality may not always be easiest to digest or even enjoyable (as you say). But I am interested in what about Silence makes you consider that his best...
Goodfellas for me  
weeg in the bronx : 8/12/2019 12:39 pm : link
but really can't go wrong with so many others. Going off the board its worth noting King of Comedy. Not a GF but just an absurd movie that I loved.
Raging Bull  
BillT : 8/12/2019 12:41 pm : link
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RE: UConn  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14527564 adamg said:
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I agree with your take on the question. I think quality may not always be easiest to digest or even enjoyable (as you say). But I am interested in what about Silence makes you consider that his best...


Silence to me was Scorsese tackling his biggest challenge as a film maker. Not only did it take him almost 3 decades to make, but he dealt with filming the entire movie in Asia, mostly filmed in Japanese. Then there's the subject matter - something that was on an absolutely massive scale compared to his other movies (IMO). I also loved the score, it really set the the tone of hopelessness and horror that the characters faced.

Again, ,not something I can watch again, but I'm glad I did because it was truly a work of art.
RE: Raging Bull  
weeg in the bronx : 8/12/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14527599 BillT said:
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My brother quotes this film endlessly. Whenever its on, I dread answering the phone because I know its him calling to recite the Lamotta poem from the end. Or Jake yelling at Sugar Ray in the ring. or Jake accusing his wife of sleeping around. Or Jake accusing his brother of sleeping with the wife.

But a great flick.
Goodfellas  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2019 12:52 pm : link
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I love Goodfellas and Casino.  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 8/12/2019 12:56 pm : link
And I'm looking forward to the upcoming Hoffa movie.

But I have a soft spot for Mean Streets, which my folks took my brother and me to in the early '70s.
The Departed number 1  
90.Cal : 8/12/2019 1:19 pm : link
Gangs of NY and Goodfellas close 2nd
Goodfellas  
Mr. Nickels : 8/12/2019 1:32 pm : link
nothing else comes close
Goodfellas  
Giantophile : 8/12/2019 1:35 pm : link
followed by The Departed and Casino tied for 2nd in my book.
king of comedy  
FranchiseQB : 8/12/2019 1:37 pm : link
followed by goodfellas, taxi driver and raging bull
Goodfellas  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2019 1:40 pm : link
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Goodfellas  
adamg : 8/12/2019 1:42 pm : link
Getting its due on BBI, if not the academy. I figured that'd be the most popular.
Not his best but one movie of his I enjoyed that I never see mentioned  
steve in ky : 8/12/2019 1:52 pm : link
Shutter Island
All of them.  
Motley Two : 8/12/2019 1:54 pm : link
If you have Netflix, they have a few of his early ones on there right now.

'Who's that Knocking at my Door'
'Mean Streets'
'Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore'
'Taxi Driver'

Silence is an incredible movie.
The Aviator gets slept on.
Color of Money gets slept on too.
underrated  
giantfan2000 : 8/12/2019 1:58 pm : link
After Hours is the most underrated of his filimography
The most respected list (Sight & Sound's 10 year world wide survey)  
Stan in LA : 8/12/2019 1:58 pm : link
Has Taxi Driver 1st(31st all time) and Raging Bull(53rd) next. Goodfellas not in the top 100.
Link - ( New Window )
This is a difficult question...  
Chris in Philly : 8/12/2019 1:59 pm : link
Considering that he is in the running for greatest filmmaker of all time, the whole "nothing else comes close" angle is silly. But UConn is right that the ones I enjoy watching over and over aren't always the ones that I consider his best. I could watch Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, King of Comedy, Wolf of Wall Street, even The Last Waltz over and over and over. But I think his greatest cinematic achievement is Raging Bull. The combination of his direction as he hits his peak, the screenplay by Paul Schrader and Mardik Martin, Thelma Schoonmaker's legendary editing, Michael Chapman's stunning B&W cinematography, the soundtrack curated by Robbie Robertson, and some of the greatest screen performances of all time all come together to make a modern masterpiece...
Mean Streets for me. It had Harvey Keitel and a young De Niro  
Ira : 8/12/2019 2:24 pm : link
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Goodfellas  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/12/2019 2:29 pm : link
Might be my favorite movie in general.
Goodfellas...  
x meadowlander : 8/12/2019 2:32 pm : link
...Raging Bull is his best, but I can NEVER. TURN. AWAY. when GoodFellas is on.
RE: underrated  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14527751 giantfan2000 said:
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After Hours is the most underrated of his filimography


This I agree with. You never hear anyone talk about After Hours, but it's great. Very funny.
RE: This is a difficult question...  
adamg : 8/12/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14527756 Chris in Philly said:
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Considering that he is in the running for greatest filmmaker of all time, the whole "nothing else comes close" angle is silly. But UConn is right that the ones I enjoy watching over and over aren't always the ones that I consider his best. I could watch Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, King of Comedy, Wolf of Wall Street, even The Last Waltz over and over and over. But I think his greatest cinematic achievement is Raging Bull. The combination of his direction as he hits his peak, the screenplay by Paul Schrader and Mardik Martin, Thelma Schoonmaker's legendary editing, Michael Chapman's stunning B&W cinematography, the soundtrack curated by Robbie Robertson, and some of the greatest screen performances of all time all come together to make a modern masterpiece...


I've never seen Raging Bull. I know it's up there for MS too. I guess I have to get on that.
RE: RE: This is a difficult question...  
Chris in Philly : 8/12/2019 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14528313 adamg said:
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In comment 14527756 Chris in Philly said:


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Considering that he is in the running for greatest filmmaker of all time, the whole "nothing else comes close" angle is silly. But UConn is right that the ones I enjoy watching over and over aren't always the ones that I consider his best. I could watch Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, King of Comedy, Wolf of Wall Street, even The Last Waltz over and over and over. But I think his greatest cinematic achievement is Raging Bull. The combination of his direction as he hits his peak, the screenplay by Paul Schrader and Mardik Martin, Thelma Schoonmaker's legendary editing, Michael Chapman's stunning B&W cinematography, the soundtrack curated by Robbie Robertson, and some of the greatest screen performances of all time all come together to make a modern masterpiece...



I've never seen Raging Bull. I know it's up there for MS too. I guess I have to get on that.


You have your homework. Turn out the lights and enjoy!
Will do!  
adamg : 8/12/2019 7:03 pm : link
Thanks Chris.
Goodfellas...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2019 7:06 pm : link
Though I really like Raging Bull.
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christian : 8/12/2019 7:25 pm : link
Goodfellas is such a cinematic achievement, and really rolls into one film all of the components earlier films had in pieces.

It's such an easy, fluid, picture. It goes down so easy, it's beautifully shot, the music is perfect, and the acting is effortless.

Goodfellas is like a perfect golden pilsner -- you don't have to come up with reasons why it's delicious, you don't have to pretend to enjoy the bitter notes because the world says you should. Anyone who knows anything about film knows it tastes great.
One of the interesting things  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2019 8:20 pm : link
about Scorsese is his use of the same actors over and over.

He knows them, they know him, it has to make both their jobs easier.

I mean how many of his films include De Niro? Pesci? DiCaprio? Keitel?

Even lesser characters who have a huge impact like Frank Vincent (Billy Batts from Goodfellas) and more.

I think very few of the main actors in his films are in one film of his (with probably a few exceptions).

I think that says a lot about both.

Can't pick  
Torrag : 8/12/2019 8:34 pm : link
Which speaks to the range of films the man has masterminded over the decades.
RE: One of the interesting things  
Chris in Philly : 8/12/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14528442 pjcas18 said:
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about Scorsese is his use of the same actors over and over.

He knows them, they know him, it has to make both their jobs easier.

I mean how many of his films include De Niro? Pesci? DiCaprio? Keitel?

Even lesser characters who have a huge impact like Frank Vincent (Billy Batts from Goodfellas) and more.

I think very few of the main actors in his films are in one film of his (with probably a few exceptions).

I think that says a lot about both.


Itís a very old fashioned style of filmmaking. Some of the old greats had regular companies that they worked with. John Ford is probably the most famous example.
I thought...  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 9:05 pm : link
that movie with Larry David was very good... ;)

Seriously, I really like Color of Money.
RE: The most respected list (Sight & Sound's 10 year world wide survey)  
djm : 8/12/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14527752 Stan in LA said:
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Has Taxi Driver 1st(31st all time) and Raging Bull(53rd) next. Goodfellas not in the top 100. Link - ( New Window )


Iíd have it taxi and bull 1-2 as well. While goodfellas is easily one of my fave movies all time itís not flawless, in a sense. Taxi and Bull are.
this one's kinda nice:  
madgiantscow009 : 8/12/2019 9:40 pm : link
No "Last Temptation of Christ"  
Pete in MD : 8/12/2019 9:58 pm : link
fans?
RE: No  
Chris in Philly : 8/12/2019 10:00 pm : link
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fans?


Iím a huge fan, but Iíd have a hard time making it best.
Pete and Chris  
Bill2 : 8/13/2019 8:52 am : link
I also thought it was a remarkable effort and a perspective that needs to be out there in our thoughts

RE: Pete and Chris  
Chris in Philly : 8/13/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14528764 Bill2 said:
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I also thought it was a remarkable effort and a perspective that needs to be out there in our thoughts


Especially as it was so grossly (and intentionally) misunderstood and mischaracterized at the time.
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Bill2 : 8/13/2019 8:59 am : link
I remember that parts of taxi Driver were filmed near where I went to school and lived at the time.

What I heard/directly observed is that Scorsese and DeNiro spent hours talking through each scene right before and right after filming while sitting in a light blue Mercedes down the block and then walking to the actual set. If they got into a discussion while walking...why then the action did not start until they hashed out every alternative and then both prepared the other actors and Scorsese the camera and audio people.

Pauline Kael talked about this aspect of their partnership in one of her reviews in the New Yorker
Obviously Shutter Island.  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/13/2019 10:26 am : link
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RE: Obviously Shutter Island.  
Chris in Philly : 8/13/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14528864 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I'll cut you.
Goodfellas  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2019 10:48 am : link
is the choice.

The scene with the late night meal at Pesci's mothers house alone makes it the winner...
RE: RE: Pete and Chris  
Pete in MD : 8/13/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14528769 Chris in Philly said:
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I also thought it was a remarkable effort and a perspective that needs to be out there in our thoughts




Especially as it was so grossly (and intentionally) misunderstood and mischaracterized at the time.

I agree. It's a very well-made movie with great acting and a unique message. It's definitely his best movie that nobody saw.
RE: RE: RE: Pete and Chris  
Chris in Philly : 8/13/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14528916 Pete in MD said:
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I also thought it was a remarkable effort and a perspective that needs to be out there in our thoughts




Especially as it was so grossly (and intentionally) misunderstood and mischaracterized at the time.


I agree. It's a very well-made movie with great acting and a unique message. It's definitely his best movie that nobody saw.


I think thematically it is remarkably similar to some of his great NY-centered films, but tonally it's a big shift away from what you expect and he nails it. Great, and unusual, Peter Gabriel score too...
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Greg from LI : 8/13/2019 11:01 am : link
One of my favorite urban legends  
bceagle05 : 8/13/2019 11:08 am : link
is that Scorcese/DeNiro attended a Bruce Springsteen concert while filming Taxi Driver, and Bruce had this bit with the audience where they'd cheer for an encore and he'd come out and say, "Are you talking to ME??" - and they added that bit to the movie. Who knows if it's true, but it makes for a fun story.
Goodfellas  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/13/2019 1:00 pm : link
Casino

Raging Bull

In that order.

Taxi Driver was just ok imo.

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