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Dak's contract and Eli Manning

Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 12:29 pm
Dak has reportedly turned down a 30 million a year. At this point I'd say adios and it is scary I am seeing a future where Eli Manning starts for the Cowboys in 2020. It just makes too much sense, they have the perfect offense for him, they have a superbowl window next year and possibly the year after, and they could commit year to year. That is what I would do if I were running the Cowboys.
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There is a better chance Romo comes back to the boys  
jvm52106 : 8/12/2019 1:24 pm : link
than Eli Manning ever playing for them.
Interesting  
Samiam : 8/12/2019 1:24 pm : link
If Parcelld went to Dallas, why wouldnít Eli if they paid him. People here talk like fans, Eli will look at this as a business move. That said, I think theyíll come to an agreement with Dak. No one will pay him more than the Cowboys
RE: There is absolutely no chance  
Diver_Down : 8/12/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14527600 Jay on the Island said:
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That Eli would go to a division rival. He would rather retire than damage his reputation with the Giants and their fans.


Damage his reputation with the Giants and their fans?

The same fans that have been shitting on him at every opportunity? It isn't just a recent phenomena to coincide with our losing. Look no further than the BBI Giant of the Year presentation video when Eli was given the trophy. Some shitty fan had to make their snide remark telling him not to fumble it.
Don't Fumble It - ( New Window )
I think  
Giantophile : 8/12/2019 2:03 pm : link
people are grossly overestimating the Eli Manning market around the league...
RE: I think  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14527764 Giantophile said:
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people are grossly overestimating the Eli Manning market around the league...


My Cowboys buddy recently said the same thing about Dak. If they don't sign him at 30 million who will? Outside of the Titans I really don't see anyone. If Eli has a decent season this year with a decent offensive line, you know what he is and he'll only command around 20 million or so a year. I honestly don't think Eli has a market outside of the Cowboys if they don't sign Dak and more than likely this is his last.
Franchise his ass,  
Beer Man : 8/12/2019 2:17 pm : link
Draft his successor, and send Dak on his way. $30M for a middle of the pack QB? He's delusional. But its happening to Dallas and I love it.
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Diver_Down : 8/12/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14527771 Zeke's Alibi said:
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people are grossly overestimating the Eli Manning market around the league...



My Cowboys buddy recently said the same thing about Dak. If they don't sign him at 30 million who will? Outside of the Titans I really don't see anyone. If Eli has a decent season this year with a decent offensive line, you know what he is and he'll only command around 20 million or so a year. I honestly don't think Eli has a market outside of the Cowboys if they don't sign Dak and more than likely this is his last.


It's odd that you mention the Titans as being in the market for Dak, but then you don't consider the Titans being interested in Eli. I think Marcus is done in Tennessee. He is on his 5th year option at $21M. If he somehow stays healthy and plays the Titans into contention for the South and the playoffs, then he'll be looking at being paid in the $30+M/yr range. I think it is more likely that he shows them who he has been and they let him walk. The problem is that they will be picking in the teens and will have to mortgage draft collateral to get a rookie QB. I don't see them hitching their wagon to Tannehill. They have a strong running game and good OL - a situation that Eli thrives in. Eli can settle in to their system at a much cheaper price while they figure out their future.
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giants#1 : 8/12/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14527771 Zeke's Alibi said:
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people are grossly overestimating the Eli Manning market around the league...



My Cowboys buddy recently said the same thing about Dak. If they don't sign him at 30 million who will? Outside of the Titans I really don't see anyone. If Eli has a decent season this year with a decent offensive line, you know what he is and he'll only command around 20 million or so a year. I honestly don't think Eli has a market outside of the Cowboys if they don't sign Dak and more than likely this is his last.



Who would sign Dak?

- CHI: if Trubisky takes a step back or doesn't take that next step as a starter
- Saints: Brees/Bridgewater are UFAs (the latter sucks) and Hill is an RFA with 7 passing attempts in his career
- MN: more a factor if Cowboys franchise Dak in 2020 and he hits the market in 2021, but Dak > Cousins if only because of the former's much better mobility
- TAM: Winston sucks and the depth chart behind him is awful
- SF: could get out of Garoppolo's contract after this season, unless he becomes the top QB he looked like in the 2nd half of 2017
- BAL: I'm not a believer in Tavares Jackson
- MIA: if/when the Rosen experiment ends
- BUF: if Allen doesn't work out
- CIN: past time to move on from Dalton
- TEN: Mariota's gotta be running out of time
- Jax: don't know the details of Foles' deal, but Dak > Foles
- LAC: Rivers is a UFA and 37
- OAK: probably go the draft route, but Gruden may be sick of Carr
- DEN: Flacco sucks and (way early) Lock looks awful

Some of the above are a bit of a stretch (CHI, SF, Buff giving up on Allen in year 3, etc), but there would definitely be at least 2-3 teams bidding against the Cowboys if Dak hits free agency.
It would not happen  
MotownGIANTS : 8/12/2019 2:33 pm : link
BUT in reality it would be an ideal for Eli ... 1 to 2 more yrs on a team poised for the post season .... Great OL good RB a weapon at WR decent D /w and owner will to spend
RE: RE: There is absolutely no chance  
Chris in Philly : 8/12/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14527715 Diver_Down said:
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That Eli would go to a division rival. He would rather retire than damage his reputation with the Giants and their fans.



Damage his reputation with the Giants and their fans?

The same fans that have been shitting on him at every opportunity? It isn't just a recent phenomena to coincide with our losing. Look no further than the BBI Giant of the Year presentation video when Eli was given the trophy. Some shitty fan had to make their snide remark telling him not to fumble it. Don't Fumble It - ( New Window )


Yeah, not to mention that when players leave a team they have been with for an extended period of time, especially when they are being shown the door, they invariably try to sign with a team in the division so they have more chances to show up the team that moved on from them...
That's a very generous offer by Dallas...  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 2:51 pm : link
I don't think Team Dak is thinking clearly. If he were to go the market today, tomorrow, or at next year, which team would sign to that type of offer?

No one in the AFC East.
No one in the AFC North.
Maybe, maybe the Titans in the AFC South?
No one in the AFC West.

No one in the NFC East.
No one in the NFC North.
Maybe, maybe Tampa in the NFC South if Winston has another off year?
No one in the NFC West.

That's two maybes - at best. And I would likely eliminate Tennessee because GM Jon Robinson is from Pats U under Belichick.

So where is the market, Team Dak?
fukin BW  
ron mexico : 8/12/2019 2:55 pm : link
with this "Team Dak" bullshit again!
RE: fukin BW  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 3:05 pm : link
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with this "Team Dak" bullshit again!


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Wait...  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 3:06 pm : link
if you're going where I think you're going...gone one. ;)
unless you know Eli personally  
giants#1 : 8/12/2019 3:12 pm : link
hard to know what he'll want to do next year assuming this is his final season in blue. He's made enough money (>$250M excluding endorsements) in his career to base the decision on other factors, if he chooses. What might those other factors be?

- Relocating his family, including new schools for his daughters vs spending ~6 months away from his family if they don't move.
- Playing for another ring.
- "Sticking it" to the Giants
- Post-playing career
- Competitiveness and desire to keep playing and retire on his terms

I can't pretend to know what will be important or the deciding factor for Eli next offseason. He may not know either at this point.
Eli would never play for another team?  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/12/2019 3:12 pm : link
Neither would Peyton or Archie, I guess. Itís a business. Why would he care about the laundry?
RE: Eli would never play for another team?  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14527890 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Neither would Peyton or Archie, I guess. Itís a business. Why would he care about the laundry?


True. But is there really going to be a market for Eli?

I think Stephen Jones is very bright and is likely out of the QB stop-gap game. So I do not see a marriage there...

At best, and I think I'm reaching here, the only market for Eli would be "available QB if a team loses it's really good starter" market. And that team is was in playoff contention.



RE: That's a very generous offer by Dallas...  
giants#1 : 8/12/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14527842 bw in dc said:
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I don't think Team Dak is thinking clearly. If he were to go the market today, tomorrow, or at next year, which team would sign to that type of offer?

No one in the AFC East.
No oneCincy (Dak > Dalton) and Baltimore when they realize Jackson can't hit the broadside of a barn in the AFC North.
Maybe, maybe the Titans in the AFC South?
No oneChargers (after Rivers retires), Raiders after they cut Carr in the AFC West.

No one in the NFC East.
No one in the NFC North.
Maybe, maybe Tampa since Winston sucks, NO after Brees retires in the NFC South if Winston has another off year?
No one in the NFC West.

That's two maybes - at best. And I would likely eliminate Tennessee because GM Jon Robinson is from Pats U under Belichick.

So where is the market, Team Dak?


I think Dak's a middling QB and hope the Cowboys re-sign him, but you're woefully overvaluing the other QB talent around the league and underestimating how many teams will overpay for average to above average QB pay: see Cousins (Wash then MN), Foles, Stafford, Ryan, Garoppolo, Carr, Dalton (not bad now), Foles, Flacco, etc.
RE: Eli would never play for another team?  
giants#1 : 8/12/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14527890 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Neither would Peyton or Archie, I guess. Itís a business. Why would he care about the laundry?


He may not care about the laundry, but he may not want to move his family and/or live away from them for half the year. And while Peyton had twins when he was traded to DEN, I believe they were only 1. Not quite the same as relocating when you have school age children.
giants#1...  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 3:26 pm : link
I would eliminate Cincy. They like Driskel and really like Finley, who had a good debut the other night.

I'm telling you right now, the Saints really like Bridge and Hill. You know the ego Payton has...he thinks he can make chicken salad out of anything.

I get your Carr point, but Gruden likes a vertical game. That is NOT Dak's strength.

San Diego is a decent counter. Don't underestimate Easton Stick! ;)
RE: RE: Eli would never play for another team?  
giants#1 : 8/12/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14527912 bw in dc said:
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Neither would Peyton or Archie, I guess. Itís a business. Why would he care about the laundry?



True. But is there really going to be a market for Eli?

I think Stephen Jones is very bright and is likely out of the QB stop-gap game. So I do not see a marriage there...

At best, and I think I'm reaching here, the only market for Eli would be "available QB if a team loses it's really good starter" market. And that team is was in playoff contention.




1. Maybe I'm misreading your comments, but you don't seem to think Dak is a very good QB (hence little-to-no market for him
2. You think RBs are fungible and not worth high picks
3. Jones has apparently offered >$30M per season to Dak
4. Jones drafted Zeke #4 overall even with his red flags

Is Jones really that bright and forward thinking? The moneyball (to steal a phrase) play would be to let Dak walk, draft a replacement in the mid-rounds and use the cap savings (and high draft picks) to keep the OL and defense fortified. The 'average' (or better) QB on a rookie deal is literally the biggest advantage a team can have in any capped sport.
Manning a cowboy is so unlikely  
V.I.G. : 8/12/2019 3:33 pm : link
Everyone knows what happened to favreís legacy in GB when he pulled all that shite to go to the vikes. I donít think Eli risks that Tiki traitor risk. I know itís not the same but Tiki has been doing the Cersei walk of shame for a decade. Eli only risks it for a non division contender - I canít think of one aside from TEN nor do i see him grooming another Qb.

Re:Dak / heís way overplaying his hand. Either they can win with him in 2020 and he gets paid / or they canít and they franchise and fraft his replacement. Easiest decision tree in the league.
RE: giants#1...  
giants#1 : 8/12/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14527940 bw in dc said:
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I would eliminate Cincy. They like Driskel and really like Finley, who had a good debut the other night.

I'm telling you right now, the Saints really like Bridge and Hill. You know the ego Payton has...he thinks he can make chicken salad out of anything.

I get your Carr point, but Gruden likes a vertical game. That is NOT Dak's strength.

San Diego is a decent counter. Don't underestimate Easton Stick! ;)


I'm not saying all those teams are interested, just that there's a lot more "maybes" than 2 teams (at most). And all it takes is 1-2 teams to get in a bidding war with Dallas.

Besides, Bridgewater is a UFA and Hill an RFA after this season.

Gruden also likes mobile QBs which Dak offers.

I think 2020 is likely a moot point anyway since I'd wager Dallas tags Dak and could see him playing under it like Cousins though as a mobile QB its definitely riskier. And by 2021 there could be other teams interested (Buff if Allen busts, MIA if Rosen sucks, Jax when they realize Foles is awful, SF if Garoppolo doesn't stay healthy/look like he did in 2017, etc).
giants#1...  
bw in dc : 8/12/2019 3:39 pm : link
I do think he's bright. They have been very good at managing the cap and their draft's the last 5-6 years are as good as any team in the NFL.

To your 4 points...

1. I actually like Dak for Dallas. Seems to be the perfect team for his school set. But I'm trying to analyze the overall market, and I'm not sure the demand would be compelling outside Dallas.

2. Absolutely.

3. Apparently, yes. And I think that's on the high side. However, I would rather over-spend on Dak - to a degree - than over-spend on a RB, even one as brilliant as Zeke.

4. Indeed, I would not have drafted Zeke at #4, despite his great skills. Red flags were compelling and, more importantly for me, is the RB position.

RE: Manning a cowboy is so unlikely  
giants#1 : 8/12/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14527965 V.I.G. said:
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Everyone knows what happened to favreís legacy in GB when he pulled all that shite to go to the vikes. I donít think Eli risks that Tiki traitor risk. I know itís not the same but Tiki has been doing the Cersei walk of shame for a decade. Eli only risks it for a non division contender - I canít think of one aside from TEN nor do i see him grooming another Qb.

Re:Dak / heís way overplaying his hand. Either they can win with him in 2020 and he gets paid / or they canít and they franchise and fraft his replacement. Easiest decision tree in the league.


I think fans would be far more forgiving if Eli played elsewhere (especially if Jones is a legit starting QB). Tiki's problem with fans is that he turned around and threw current (at the time) Giants players under the bus in order to advance his media career. I don't think Eli's ever thrown a teammate/coach (maybe McAdoo?) under the bus. Also, Eli won't be "choosing" to leave if he does move on.
RE: Manning a cowboy is so unlikely  
MotownGIANTS : 8/12/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14527965 V.I.G. said:
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Everyone knows what happened to favreís legacy in GB when he pulled all that shite to go to the vikes. I donít think Eli risks that Tiki traitor risk. I know itís not the same but Tiki has been doing the Cersei walk of shame for a decade. Eli only risks it for a non division contender - I canít think of one aside from TEN nor do i see him grooming another Qb.

Re:Dak / heís way overplaying his hand. Either they can win with him in 2020 and he gets paid / or they canít and they franchise and fraft his replacement. Easiest decision tree in the league.



Apples and oranges ... Farve was being diva and a douche ...
RE: RE: RE: I think  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 5:39 pm : link
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people are grossly overestimating the Eli Manning market around the league...



My Cowboys buddy recently said the same thing about Dak. If they don't sign him at 30 million who will? Outside of the Titans I really don't see anyone. If Eli has a decent season this year with a decent offensive line, you know what he is and he'll only command around 20 million or so a year. I honestly don't think Eli has a market outside of the Cowboys if they don't sign Dak and more than likely this is his last.



It's odd that you mention the Titans as being in the market for Dak, but then you don't consider the Titans being interested in Eli. I think Marcus is done in Tennessee. He is on his 5th year option at $21M. If he somehow stays healthy and plays the Titans into contention for the South and the playoffs, then he'll be looking at being paid in the $30+M/yr range. I think it is more likely that he shows them who he has been and they let him walk. The problem is that they will be picking in the teens and will have to mortgage draft collateral to get a rookie QB. I don't see them hitching their wagon to Tannehill. They have a strong running game and good OL - a situation that Eli thrives in. Eli can settle in to their system at a much cheaper price while they figure out their future.


I think the Titans are a few years contending for a title. They are better off going younger at QB. I think Eli's options are limited to a team looking to add the final piece at QB. There aren't any teams like that as of now.
If the Giants let Eli walk and he wants to play  
arniefez : 8/12/2019 5:39 pm : link
Good for him. I'll root for him no matter where he goes. As far as paying that guy 30M. That is crazy. I sure hope it's Dallas that does it.
Maybe the Saints.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 5:42 pm : link
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Diver_Down : 8/12/2019 5:46 pm : link
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Definitely a possibility. Brees has fallen off a cliff at the end of last season. I'm sure he'll look fine to start this season, but he has a lot of mileage on his shoulder. Their offense definitely changed as the season wore on. Eli stepping in would be an easy sell to the fan-base with the family's ties to the area.
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Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 5:50 pm : link
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people are grossly overestimating the Eli Manning market around the league...







Who would sign Dak?

- CHI: if Trubisky takes a step back or doesn't take that next step as a starter
- Saints: Brees/Bridgewater are UFAs (the latter sucks) and Hill is an RFA with 7 passing attempts in his career
- MN: more a factor if Cowboys franchise Dak in 2020 and he hits the market in 2021, but Dak > Cousins if only because of the former's much better mobility
- TAM: Winston sucks and the depth chart behind him is awful
- SF: could get out of Garoppolo's contract after this season, unless he becomes the top QB he looked like in the 2nd half of 2017
- BAL: I'm not a believer in Tavares Jackson
- MIA: if/when the Rosen experiment ends
- BUF: if Allen doesn't work out
- CIN: past time to move on from Dalton
- TEN: Mariota's gotta be running out of time
- Jax: don't know the details of Foles' deal, but Dak > Foles
- LAC: Rivers is a UFA and 37
- OAK: probably go the draft route, but Gruden may be sick of Carr
- DEN: Flacco sucks and (way early) Lock looks awful

Some of the above are a bit of a stretch (CHI, SF, Buff giving up on Allen in year 3, etc), but there would definitely be at least 2-3 teams bidding against the Cowboys if Dak hits free agency.


Of this list the you can scratch Bal, SF, Chicago, Minn, Buffalo, Jax , Chargers as far as 2020 is concerned. That leaves the Saints, Tampa, Cin, Tenn, and Denver. Why would any of those teams want the privilege of overpaying Dak instead of drafting a QB.
Assuming that Dallas would want Eli..  
John In CO : 8/12/2019 6:27 pm : link
and that is stretching things IMHO, but for the purpose of this scenario lets assume they do, and also assuming that Eli still wants to play football, and Dallas was the best opportunity for him to do that, I would have NO problem with it whatsoever. I know we like to think that every Giants loves that laundry as much as we do, but in most cases that simply isnt true. Most of these guys grew up as fans of other teams. How do we know Eli didnt grow up as a Cowboys fan? Most of us have been Giants fans since we could walk; not the same for most of the players.

Always remember, football is their profession, this is their job! If one company (team) no longer requires their services, and another company (team) does, and is willing to pay them, then God Bless, congrats on the new job and thanks for the memories. Anyone who would hold a grudge against a player for taking an opportunity to extend their career elsewhere, no matter what the team is, really has no clue what the NFL really is. Which is a business.
Jesus $30M for a QB with trouble delivering an accurate out pattern?  
Torrag : 8/12/2019 6:30 pm : link
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this is him hitting FA too  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2019 6:33 pm : link
if you want Dak now you have to trade for him. If you want him next year you have to trade for him (he'd be franchised). No one can throw him a stupid contract until 2021 at the earliest. Lots of QB's coming out over the next 2 years, plenty of that list above won't want or need his services.

Its not happening. Someone will blink first and he will get his longterm deal in Dallas.
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giants#1 : 8/12/2019 6:51 pm : link
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people are grossly overestimating the Eli Manning market around the league...







Who would sign Dak?

- CHI: if Trubisky takes a step back or doesn't take that next step as a starter
- Saints: Brees/Bridgewater are UFAs (the latter sucks) and Hill is an RFA with 7 passing attempts in his career
- MN: more a factor if Cowboys franchise Dak in 2020 and he hits the market in 2021, but Dak > Cousins if only because of the former's much better mobility
- TAM: Winston sucks and the depth chart behind him is awful
- SF: could get out of Garoppolo's contract after this season, unless he becomes the top QB he looked like in the 2nd half of 2017
- BAL: I'm not a believer in Tavares Jackson
- MIA: if/when the Rosen experiment ends
- BUF: if Allen doesn't work out
- CIN: past time to move on from Dalton
- TEN: Mariota's gotta be running out of time
- Jax: don't know the details of Foles' deal, but Dak > Foles
- LAC: Rivers is a UFA and 37
- OAK: probably go the draft route, but Gruden may be sick of Carr
- DEN: Flacco sucks and (way early) Lock looks awful

Some of the above are a bit of a stretch (CHI, SF, Buff giving up on Allen in year 3, etc), but there would definitely be at least 2-3 teams bidding against the Cowboys if Dak hits free agency.



Of this list the you can scratch Bal, SF, Chicago, Minn, Buffalo, Jax , Chargers as far as 2020 is concerned. That leaves the Saints, Tampa, Cin, Tenn, and Denver. Why would any of those teams want the privilege of overpaying Dak instead of drafting a QB.


Agree to disagree on balt. As for Chargers, Rivers is a UFA and wasn't he pretty outspoken about the move to LA? Maybe he retires.

Why would they overpay? Same reason Alex Smith got $27 per or Keenum a huge deal or Foles $22+ or Cousins $28+ or on and on. Teams always overpay for QBs and Dak is younger than any of those guys when they hit FA and arguably more accomplished.
RE: Dak is delusional  
GeneInCal : 8/12/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14527580 weeg in the bronx said:
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And manning won't be in the league next year


Wanna bet?
One thing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 7:00 pm : link
about Baltimore is not in question.

"Tavares Jackson" isn't their QB. Nor is Tarvaris Jacson.
One - Baltimore is commited to running the ball with Jackson  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 7:23 pm : link
at QB if you have been paying attention. He is going to tote the rock 250 times this year. They are trying a different avenue of taking advantage of a rookie QB contract

2-Alex Smith is paid 23 million a year

3-The landscape for QBs in FA is much different than it was even a few years ago. There are a ton of serviceable QBs coming out of college every year now.

RE: RE: RE: There is absolutely no chance  
Jay on the Island : 8/12/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14527828 Chris in Philly said:
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That Eli would go to a division rival. He would rather retire than damage his reputation with the Giants and their fans.



Damage his reputation with the Giants and their fans?

The same fans that have been shitting on him at every opportunity? It isn't just a recent phenomena to coincide with our losing. Look no further than the BBI Giant of the Year presentation video when Eli was given the trophy. Some shitty fan had to make their snide remark telling him not to fumble it. Don't Fumble It - ( New Window )



Yeah, not to mention that when players leave a team they have been with for an extended period of time, especially when they are being shown the door, they invariably try to sign with a team in the division so they have more chances to show up the team that moved on from them...

When the Colts let go of Peyton he said that he didn't want to go to a division rival of the Colts, the Jets (bc of Eli), or an NFC East team. Now Peyton did have more suitors than Eli likely will but I expect Eli to refuse to play for a team like Dallas. Honestly I think the most likely destination is Tampa Bay because Arians loves his veterans. I wouldn't rule out the Raiders either if Carr doesn't have a good year.
Jay....these guys can always say what they want, but at the end  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 7:45 pm : link
of the day for these iconic vet QBs that move on it is usually about whoever gives them the best chance to win another ring.
I still think there will be a course correction  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2019 7:50 pm : link
coming in the QB market. More and more ďaverageĒ guys will get the job done for most teams, and that doesnít include the higher upside guys coming out of college. Sooner or later the market will break, all it takes is 1 team to do it.

If these last few draft classes donít produce the next Brady/Rodgers or even Wilson, your going to see more teams winning with average QB play a la Philly with Foles.
If accurate  
Rick in Dallas : 8/12/2019 7:52 pm : link
$30 million per year is a lot of money for Dak not to accept. Would need to see the terms of the contract offer to see why he and his agent rejected the offer.
RE: I still think there will be a course correction  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14528406 UConn4523 said:
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coming in the QB market. More and more ďaverageĒ guys will get the job done for most teams, and that doesnít include the higher upside guys coming out of college. Sooner or later the market will break, all it takes is 1 team to do it.

If these last few draft classes donít produce the next Brady/Rodgers or even Wilson, your going to see more teams winning with average QB play a la Philly with Foles.


You are talking about once in every ten year guys. The difference will be that there won't be the gulf of space between the elite and the average line, and the average to poor line that there was before. The amount of good QB play around the league is better than it has ever been, the problem is keeping these guys healthy due to poor oline play and the importance of the QBs legs as a weapon now.
RE: I still think there will be a course correction  
adamg : 8/12/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14528406 UConn4523 said:
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coming in the QB market. More and more ďaverageĒ guys will get the job done for most teams, and that doesnít include the higher upside guys coming out of college. Sooner or later the market will break, all it takes is 1 team to do it.

If these last few draft classes donít produce the next Brady/Rodgers or even Wilson, your going to see more teams winning with average QB play a la Philly with Foles.


I think there's something to this. I don't think we'll see every deal be similar to Rodgers', but I think it has more to do with the quality of the QBs than it does the market value. E.g. I think Mahomes will break the market when his time comes. But not a lot of the other kids are in that league right now. Especially not Dak.
If I'm the Cowboys I'm trying to get in touch with Rivers through back  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/12/2019 8:00 pm : link
channels. I'm sure he'd love an opportunity for a ring.
RE: If I'm the Cowboys I'm trying to get in touch with Rivers through back  
Diver_Down : 8/12/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14528419 Zeke's Alibi said:
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channels. I'm sure he'd love an opportunity for a ring.


The only problem is the commune that he has in San Diego. He bitched and moaned with the move to LA. He made the adjustment of pimping a chauffeured ride for the commute. Not sure he would be willing to leave the family while he chases a championship in Dallas.
RE: RE: Manning a cowboy is so unlikely  
V.I.G. : 8/13/2019 1:02 am : link
In comment 14528059 MotownGIANTS said:
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Apples and oranges ... Farve was being diva and a douche ...


It might be apples and oranges but both would leave a bitter taste. Fans will turn on Eli and his legacy if he signed in the division especially with the cowboys. Whether you agree or not the majority of fans would give Eli the Tiki treatment if he was a cowboy.
Is it possible Dak becomes the highest paid QB in the NFL?  
Rick in Dallas : 8/13/2019 7:17 am : link
Does Jerry Jones cave in and pays Dak more than RWís $35 million per year.
Cowboys conversations down here in Dallas start with SB talk this preseason.
Getting real interesting down here.
Honestly, I thought Dak would be signed by now.
You guys realize  
Gman11 : 8/13/2019 9:48 am : link
that the Cowboys' pass blocking wasn't all that great last season don't you?
There must be more to this  
Harvest Blend : 8/13/2019 9:54 am : link
than just turning down $30 million per year. It has to be the way it's structured, guarantees, etc.

No effing way in the world would he turn that down if it's what it "seems".
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