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Beal might be a Bust

tb7117 : 8/12/2019 12:58 pm
I believe this guy had a shoulder problem in college.Injured/ reinjured it last summer. This guy is not 180lbs. soaking wet. How will he hold up tackling 220 plus running backs. I hear he has speed/talent. What good is that if he can`t get on the field and a glass shoulder. Wish him well.
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What has that got to do with a hamstring?  
Blue21 : 8/12/2019 1:11 pm : link
.
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Johnny5 : 8/12/2019 1:16 pm : link
Corey Webster was considered a bust for a few years  
Ben in Tampa : 8/12/2019 1:16 pm : link
And then turned into one of the finest corners in the history of the organization
Like the shitty thread with the same brain fart of a though  
bLiTz 2k : 8/12/2019 1:16 pm : link
..just below wasnít enough, we needed you to start another.
You are about  
cjac : 8/12/2019 1:17 pm : link
3 hours too late
the first Beal bust thread of the day - ( New Window )
This might be as good as the OP's Toomer thread  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/12/2019 1:18 pm : link
When he advocated for Toomer being in the Ring of Honor even though he's already in the Ring of Honor.

I think we might be getting trolled here.
If only there were comparable body types  
MM_in_NYC : 8/12/2019 1:20 pm : link
of successful NFL CBs we could look at... if only...
RE: before I reply  
tb7117 : 8/12/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14527653 pjcas18 said:
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please clarify, satire or no?

Hard to tell anymore with all the clowns on here.


I just made a simple observation about the guy and a few douche bags have be a..holes.
RE: RE: before I reply  
arcarsenal : 8/12/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14527683 tb7117 said:
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In comment 14527653 pjcas18 said:


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please clarify, satire or no?

Hard to tell anymore with all the clowns on here.



I just made a simple observation about the guy and a few douche bags have be a..holes.


Maybe you should take a minute to think about whether or not your "simple observations" are worth sharing here.

So far, you're 0-2.
RE: RE: before I reply  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14527683 tb7117 said:
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In comment 14527653 pjcas18 said:


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please clarify, satire or no?

Hard to tell anymore with all the clowns on here.



I just made a simple observation about the guy and a few douche bags have be a..holes.


I honestly didn't know if it was a joke or not based on some of the other threads.

Yes, Beal could absolutely be a bust. Anyone can be a bust.

Here is the draft success (from one study) and success simply means starts 50% of their games.

Beal only had a 24% chance of becoming a consistent starter before he even signed his contract.

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Historic Success Chart

The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)


RE: RE: before I reply  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14527683 tb7117 said:
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In comment 14527653 pjcas18 said:


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please clarify, satire or no?

Hard to tell anymore with all the clowns on here.



I just made a simple observation about the guy and a few douche bags have be a..holes.


LOL.

So satire it isn't!
So many fucking morons this time of year.
I'm not sure the OP is wrong  
Dave : 8/12/2019 1:31 pm : link
3rd rd pick coming off a shoulder injury, injured it again in his 1st practice, now the hammy
in some ways, ability is not as important as availability
RE: Corey Webster was considered a bust for a few years  
x meadowlander : 8/12/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14527671 Ben in Tampa said:
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And then turned into one of the finest corners in the history of the organization
Don't expect that to ever, ever, ever happen again.

I can't think of a single other example of someone being given up on, damned near finished, resurrecting their career as a Giant.

Webster is often overlooked as a reason 2007 happened. That team BARELY backed into the playoffs, they gave up EIGHTY points in their first 2 games and were decimated with injuries, CB unit hit hard all season, including Webster himself, but after Sam Madison got hurt in the last game of the season, Webster returned to start and DOMINATED.
RE: I'm not sure the OP is wrong  
superspynyg : 8/12/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14527698 Dave said:
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3rd rd pick coming off a shoulder injury, injured it again in his 1st practice, now the hammy
in some ways, ability is not as important as availability


I don't think that they properly fixed his org injury in college did they? I am not surprised it got re-injured. Plus I don't think the two are anywhere related. Any player at any time can pull a hamstring. Thy have to give it enough time to heal or it will be an ongoing thing.

Now if he hurts his shoulder again then we can talk bust.
You know who else is a bust  
cjac : 8/12/2019 1:37 pm : link
Deandre Baker, all that guy has done is have one pass interference penalty, then he hurt his knee
cjac  
Dave : 8/12/2019 1:43 pm : link
Baker didn't get hurt his first practice and then spend the yr on IR, then get hurt right away the next yr.
not sayin Beal is a bust, but, sheesh, for everyone to attack the thought of him possibly being injury prone is classic BBI
superspy  
Dave : 8/12/2019 1:45 pm : link
related or not, some guys just seem to get hurt hurt more than others
some of it is probably body type, some is probably workout regime, some is certainly random
Not that he's a bust  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2019 1:45 pm : link
But they've gotten nothing from a 3rd round pick so far. Not even many practices.
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arcarsenal : 8/12/2019 1:46 pm : link
I'd say the immensely stupid, short-sighted OP is more of the "classic BBI" variety than the responses, but maybe that's just me...
They drafted him..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 1:55 pm : link
knowing there was a shoulder injury and there was a liklihood he'd go on IR and "red shirt". This year, he tweaked a hammy.

Is the guy supposed to take the field just to placate the fans?? If there's anything you want to protect speed guys from - it is hamstring injuries.
RE: Not that he's a bust  
DavidinBMNY : 8/12/2019 1:59 pm : link
In comment 14527728 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But they've gotten nothing from a 3rd round pick so far. Not even many practices.
It's a LONG Season! Let's not put him out to pasture yet!
Injuries are a weird disconnect between fans and players.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2019 2:01 pm : link
Fans are way, way, way too quick to call players out for "doesnt want to play" garbage.
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1giantblue : 8/12/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14527670 Johnny5 said:
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LMAO!
RE: They drafted him..  
Matt M. : 8/12/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14527748 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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knowing there was a shoulder injury and there was a liklihood he'd go on IR and "red shirt". This year, he tweaked a hammy.

Is the guy supposed to take the field just to placate the fans?? If there's anything you want to protect speed guys from - it is hamstring injuries.
I said it at the time of the draft, I didn't like taking someone with a known and recent shoulder injury. The shoulder is a delicate joint and probably the most susceptible to re-injury. Sure enough, right out of the gate he re-injured his shoulder. He may have not played last year anyway, but that certainly doesn't help.

His hammy is a completely unrelated injury. I believe it is way too early to call him a bust or even injury prone. But, he certainly isn't having a great start to his career.
it's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2019 2:09 pm : link
almost as if some people have never followed football before.
RE: Yes, Beal might be a bust. Then again, he might not be a bust.  
Beer Man : 8/12/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14527657 Klaatu said:
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Let's see what my spiritual adviser says:

She says "you can Bust and Move"
I wonder what  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2019 2:18 pm : link
BBI would have been like when Lionel Manuel missed 12 games in 1986 with a hamstring injury.
RE: it's  
Racer : 8/12/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14527770 Eric from BBI said:
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almost as if some people have never followed football before.


I don't think football aptitude is the root cause. "Dumb as a fencepost' had to have a real-life inspiration, no?
RE: .  
1giantblue : 8/12/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14527670 Johnny5 said:
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LMAO!
Well we know what is was like during OBJs  
RollBlue : 8/12/2019 2:39 pm : link
rookie year - he missed all of the pre-season and the first four games prior to torching the league.

Let's face facts, if Reese was the GM, just about everyone would be lambasting him for picking a guy with the 6th pick in the 3rd round (what it turned out to be) who missed his entire first season, and is now on the shelf for all of training camp. Me personally, it's just bad luck, same with all the WR injuries, but most on here seemed to blame Reese for guys getting injured......
RE: Another  
wonderback : 8/12/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14527654 cjac said:
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Dome and Groomer


Couldnít agree more! Wait, what?
How much did Darrell Green weigh?  
Vanzetti : 8/12/2019 3:07 pm : link
How many years did he play?

Beals size is irrelevant.

However, I do have a hard time believing DG knew about the injury when he drafted him. Is there any real evidence that he did?
You have a hard..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 4:03 pm : link
time believing Gettleman didn't know about a surgery he had while he was at college? That's pretty much the basics of scouting a kid.

I really can't believe some of the shit tossed around here sometimes.
...  
christian : 8/12/2019 4:08 pm : link
This thread is weird -- but after 2 procedures on the same shoulder -- Beal does need to prove he can stay on the field.

This same skepticism was applied correctly by many on BBI when judging if Collins was a good investment, remember.

I am firmly in the wait and see, but cautious category with Beal.
Cur him  
Big Al : 8/12/2019 4:09 pm : link
now.
RE: ...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14528067 christian said:
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This thread is weird -- but after 2 procedures on the same shoulder -- Beal does need to prove he can stay on the field.

This same skepticism was applied correctly by many on BBI when judging if Collins was a good investment, remember.

I am firmly in the wait and see, but cautious category with Beal.


This is my concern more than the hamstring. I still think Collins will never be the same player again because leading with his shoulder is how he tackles. It isn't as much of a concern with Beal because as a CB, he should be wrapping guys up, but reinjuring a body part still raises a red flag.
RE: RE: Corey Webster was considered a bust for a few years  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 8/12/2019 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14527699 x meadowlander said:
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In comment 14527671 Ben in Tampa said:


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And then turned into one of the finest corners in the history of the organization

Don't expect that to ever, ever, ever happen again.

I can't think of a single other example of someone being given up on, damned near finished, resurrecting their career as a Giant.

Webster is often overlooked as a reason 2007 happened. That team BARELY backed into the playoffs, they gave up EIGHTY points in their first 2 games and were decimated with injuries, CB unit hit hard all season, including Webster himself, but after Sam Madison got hurt in the last game of the season, Webster returned to start and DOMINATED.


Ummmmm, Tiki Barber, Kerry Collins, Amani Toomer...
One real..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 4:31 pm : link
prominent player - Phil Simms.

Heck, Scott Brunner was named the starter over a healthy Simms.
To the OP  
Torrag : 8/12/2019 4:37 pm : link
Is there concern Beal hasn't been able to stay healthy thus far? Yes. Does that make him a bust when he hasn't played a down yet for the team? No. He should get an opportunity soon.

If he continues to get injured repeatedly over an extended period of time going forward then we'll have to re-evaluate. If you can't stay on the field your roster slot eventually goes to someone that can. Still too early to make that call though.
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 8/12/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14528075 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14528067 christian said:


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This thread is weird -- but after 2 procedures on the same shoulder -- Beal does need to prove he can stay on the field.

This same skepticism was applied correctly by many on BBI when judging if Collins was a good investment, remember.

I am firmly in the wait and see, but cautious category with Beal.



This is my concern more than the hamstring. I still think Collins will never be the same player again because leading with his shoulder is how he tackles. It isn't as much of a concern with Beal because as a CB, he should be wrapping guys up, but reinjuring a body part still raises a red flag.


Yeah, what scares me is if he tore his labrum twice (I don't know this btw, just guessing based on dislocations needing surgery), all types of motion, flexibility, and dexterity gets dicey.

Getting his arms around a big, fast, moving target puts a lot of stress on the joint. I've heard a dislocated shoulder described as "tearing the hinges of the door."

He's a young guy with plenty of time off between the procedures, hopefully he's good and healed and this is in the past soon for him.
RE: cjac  
joeinpa : 8/12/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14527722 Dave said:
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Baker didn't get hurt his first practice and then spend the yr on IR, then get hurt right away the next yr.
not sayin Beal is a bust, but, sheesh, for everyone to attack the thought of him possibly being injury prone is classic BBI


Beal has a History of being injured. If you want to use analogical satire to mock the OP, you have to do better
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 6:05 pm : link
"History" is overblown. He's had the shoulder issue and now a hamstring.

It isn't like he was injured continuously in college
RE: I'm not sure the OP is wrong  
joeinpa : 8/12/2019 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14527698 Dave said:
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3rd rd pick coming off a shoulder injury, injured it again in his 1st practice, now the hammy
in some ways, ability is not as important as availability


Sorry Dave, responded to wrong poster above. I agree it s not unreasonable to hope a guy who missed all of last year and is missing time again is not injury prone
I think the more articulate way to frame this  
bhill410 : 8/12/2019 8:15 pm : link
Is they have the guy for 4 years. Year 1 he was injured for entire year, year 2 he is looking like he may miss majority if not all of training camp. You never know but that isnít a good harbringer for either a healthy year or productive year for a young player. That means we are likely getting 2 years for a third round pick - he could still be worth it but itís an unfortunate used of resources at this point.
Second contracts..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 8:27 pm : link
get talked up a lot as the Holy Grail, but there are many 2nd contracts that don't come at a steep price. And unless Beal is a steady starter and impact player, it won't cost a bankload to keep him.

So far he has not done a thing once his hammy is healed  
Bluesbreaker : 8/12/2019 8:54 pm : link
he may have a hard time getting on the field .
Once he does he has to produce show he is worthy
certainly off to a bad start but not ready for
the bust label he basically has yet to play .
RE: RE: before I reply  
Hsilwek92 : 8/12/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14527683 tb7117 said:
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In comment 14527653 pjcas18 said:


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please clarify, satire or no?

Hard to tell anymore with all the clowns on here.



I just made a simple observation about the guy and a few douche bags have be a..holes.


This incorrect. Youíre not using the douche bag right.
RE: RE: Corey Webster was considered a bust for a few years  
FStubbs : 8/12/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14527699 x meadowlander said:
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In comment 14527671 Ben in Tampa said:


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And then turned into one of the finest corners in the history of the organization

Don't expect that to ever, ever, ever happen again.

I can't think of a single other example of someone being given up on, damned near finished, resurrecting their career as a Giant.

Webster is often overlooked as a reason 2007 happened. That team BARELY backed into the playoffs, they gave up EIGHTY points in their first 2 games and were decimated with injuries, CB unit hit hard all season, including Webster himself, but after Sam Madison got hurt in the last game of the season, Webster returned to start and DOMINATED.


Whatever I may think of Landon Collins as a player now, he was complete and utter garbage his rookie year and good the following year.

Offensive example - Amani Toomer was a tease for a few years before the light went on.

Sometimes it takes awhile. It absolutely could happen again.
Iím not going to agree about being a bust  
Carl in CT : 8/13/2019 9:07 am : link
But part of being a pro is being able to suit up on sundays.
RE: RE: cjac  
Vanzetti : 8/13/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14528187 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14527722 Dave said:


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Baker didn't get hurt his first practice and then spend the yr on IR, then get hurt right away the next yr.
not sayin Beal is a bust, but, sheesh, for everyone to attack the thought of him possibly being injury prone is classic BBI



Beal has a History of being injured. If you want to use analogical satire to mock the OP, you have to do better


Analogical satire?

Thatís a good one. Definitely shuts people up
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