NFT: "You Won't See Me" from the Beatles' Rubber Soul Album

Bob Marley stated that this song influenced his style and music, so it fits.

This is another song that in my opion, highlights Ringo's incredible greatness and simplicity in his drumming.

In comment 14527839 rnargi said:

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Bob Marley stated that this song influenced his style and music, so it fits. This is another song that in my opion, highlights Ringo's incredible greatness and simplicity in his drumming.

Very interesting... didn't know that about Bob Marley. As for Ringo Starr, wonderful drummer and it seems more and more comes out that he was the glue that made the Beatles a group!

Also, if truth be told, I never heard the Clarendonian's version until yesterday when I was driving in my car. I'm 64 years old and I kept saying to myself where the hell have I heard that song before? And then it hit me like a thunderbolt! My older brother's album... Rubber Soul... Thd Beatles!

but I love Rubber Soul. If you will indulge me to go full record nerd here for just a moment, I am the owner of an original Parlophone "Loud Cut" mono pressing of this LP.

In comment 14528077 GruningsOnTheHill said:

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but I love Rubber Soul. If you will indulge me to go full record nerd here for just a moment, I am the owner of an original Parlophone "Loud Cut" mono pressing of this LP.

Really? That's very awesome!

when they became Ex-Beatles. That is 1 hell of a body of work at a very young age.

In comment 14527839 rnargi said:

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Bob Marley stated that this song influenced his style and music, so it fits. This is another song that in my opion, highlights Ringo's incredible greatness and simplicity in his drumming.

Over time, he's become one of my favorite classic-rock drummers. He turned many Lennon/McCartney pieces from simple rock songs to unique and memorable epic productions, "Ticket to Ride" a really great example.

I love this young lady's presentation on What Makes Ringo Great:


What Makes Ringo Great - ( New Window )

Thanks so much.

In comment 14530265 lono801 said:

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Thanks so much.

I've defended Ringo to many over the years, but she does a much better job of showing by example. She plays those parts perfectly, explaining each thoroughly. Great piece, and she does similar pieces for many other classic rock drummers. Worth checking into.

I have been following this girl for about a year after watching her Ringo video. Just released another "Nursery Rhymes" - KINKX!.

I never thought about all of the different style songs that John, Paul and George came up with that required so many different drumming styles!
I am waiting on her video about Kieth Moon!Hoping, actually.

In comment 14530055 x meadowlander said:

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In comment 14527839 rnargi said: Quote: Bob Marley stated that this song influenced his style and music, so it fits. This is another song that in my opion, highlights Ringo's incredible greatness and simplicity in his drumming. Over time, he's become one of my favorite classic-rock drummers. He turned many Lennon/McCartney pieces from simple rock songs to unique and memorable epic productions, "Ticket to Ride" a really great example. I love this young lady's presentation on What Makes Ringo Great: What Makes Ringo Great - ( New Window )

he's way behind Bonham, Watts and Moon..

last night. Very sweet and of course, the music was nostalgic.

In comment 14530356 FranchiseQB said:

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In comment 14530055 x meadowlander said: Quote: In comment 14527839 rnargi said: Quote: Bob Marley stated that this song influenced his style and music, so it fits. This is another song that in my opion, highlights Ringo's incredible greatness and simplicity in his drumming. Over time, he's become one of my favorite classic-rock drummers. He turned many Lennon/McCartney pieces from simple rock songs to unique and memorable epic productions, "Ticket to Ride" a really great example. I love this young lady's presentation on What Makes Ringo Great: What Makes Ringo Great - ( New Window ) he's way behind Bonham, Watts and Moon..

Who are way behind Ginger Baker.

was a hit in the 70s for Anne Murray
You Won't See Me - ( New Window )

In comment 14530265 lono801 said:

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Thanks so much.

Yeah, that was fun. Sent it to my drummer buddy.

Ringo's drumming is to listen to Lennon's song, "God". It's a master's level course in his style. People can say he's behind others and thats fine. Everyone is entitled to to their opinion and mine is that Ringo's drumming absolutely made the difference between the Beatles being a good band and the greatest of all time. Another example is on Harrison's "Here Comes the Sun". Sounds easy enough and simple enough to play, right? Not so. Read up on what Ringo had to say about it and listen again. You'll have a new appreciation for him and the song.

As far as raw skill, there are jazz drummers who embarrass all listed here, but this was a discussion about Ringo - and I do not believe for a minute that a Keith Moon or John Bonham or Ginger Baker would have been a better BEATLE drummer.

The entire point of Ringo was his subtlety, his timing and his creativity. Virtually ALL of the famous rock drummers are big hitters, lightning fast and often intentionally overplay.

The Beatles were a sum of their parts in the biggest way - individually, better than average, but nobody is going to compare George Harrison with Jeff Beck or Paul McCartney with Chris Squire or Ringo with Keith Moon - they're simply in different technical categories individually.

But together, largely from the insane amount of hours George John and Paul logged in Germany in the early 60's, the Beatles were a fantastically cohesive group and improved one another when playing and recording together. Ringo was a missing link - his style as well documented here made a lot of good Beatle songs into GREAT Beatle songs. There were certainly many better drummers in the era, but none were better for the Beatles IMO, any more than replacing Harrison with a better guitarist would have made them better.

Keith Moon does happen to be my favorite all time 'classic' rock drummer, btw - like Ringo, understood how to play the 'song', like Ringo extremely creative, but Moon was an absolute marvel.

I think the key is to realize that drummers are musicians too, not in some different category just because they hit things with sticks. Ringo was extremely musical in terms of contributing to not just the feel but the whole musical infrastructure of the Beatles' songs. As the young lady points out on the video you linked (and there's a lot you can read about this), one thing that made Ringo unique is that he was/is a left-handed drummer playing a right-handed set of drums, so the way he approaches fills from grooves is very different from most drummers, and that helped contribute to the uniqueness of the Beatles' sound.

In comment 14530963 Del Shofner said:

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I think the key is to realize that drummers are musicians too, not in some different category just because they hit things with sticks. Ringo was extremely musical in terms of contributing to not just the feel but the whole musical infrastructure of the Beatles' songs. As the young lady points out on the video you linked (and there's a lot you can read about this), one thing that made Ringo unique is that he was/is a left-handed drummer playing a right-handed set of drums, so the way he approaches fills from grooves is very different from most drummers, and that helped contribute to the uniqueness of the Beatles' sound.

Yeah - the left handed drummer on a right handed kit really stands out in the famous roll repeated throughout the hook that opens 'Come Together'.

Other faves are of course JB and Neil Peart. All three are classic balls to the wall and technically sound. Ringo wasn't that kind of drummer. Ringo's brilliance, again in my silly opinion, was in his simplistic style and his ability to find the perfect fill at any give moment. Just think of some of the Beatles songs in traditional 4/4 drum rythyms. They just won't work. They'd be boring as hell.

...ever listen to that?

Just unreal.

In comment 14531168 x meadowlander said:

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...ever listen to that? Just unreal.

Agreed...it's sublime

as good as your drummer!

In comment 14529972 short lease said:

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when they became Ex-Beatles. That is 1 hell of a body of work at a very young age.

Yeah, that is staggering. It's something I've kept in mind during various "________ was actually a shitty musician" discussions involving the Beatles. Some of those guys had only been playing their instrument for a few years when they became world famous.

In comment 14530930 x meadowlander said:

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As far as raw skill, there are jazz drummers who embarrass all listed here, but this was a discussion about Ringo - and I do not believe for a minute that a Keith Moon or John Bonham or Ginger Baker would have been a better BEATLE drummer.

Yeah, IMO, the most important aspect of what a drummer brings to their band is their overall feel. Of the drummers mentioned here, Keith Moon generally played slightly ahead of the beat. Bonham (and moreso Charlie Watts) tended to play slightly behind the beat.

Ringo was generally right on the beat. Changing that would have had an effect on each Beatles song -- something you couldn't quite put your finger on, but something you'd notice nonetheless.

In comment 14531254 BigBluesman said:

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as good as your drummer!

And truer, more tragic words have never been spoken.