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DanMetroMan : 8/12/2019 3:43 pm
3. New York Mets: 2.97
-Gary Cohen (play by play)
-Ron Darling (analyst)
-Keith Hernandez (analyst)

Previous rankings: 4 (2014), 4 (2016), 3 (2017), 3 (2018)
Previous grades: 2.99 (2014), 3.06 (2016), 2.92 (2017), 3.12 (2018)

Most popular grade: A (54.91% of votes)

Analysis: The Mets just can’t crack the top two. They’ve finished in third for the third-straight year, despite finishing with the highest overall percentage of A votes of any team this year. However, that was balanced out by the third-lowest percentage of B votes and the second-lowest percentage of C votes. That strong share of A votes wasn’t enough to edge out the #2 team, who received a similar share of A votes, but a much higher cut of B votes.

6. New York Yankees: 2.26
-Michael Kay (play by play)
-Ryan Ruocco (play by play)
-David Cone (analyst)
-John Flaherty (analyst)
-Paul O’Neill (analyst)
-Ken Singleton (analyst)

Previous rankings: 25 (2014), 27 (2016), 2 (2017), 12 (2018)
Previous grades: 1.93 (2014), 1.95 (2016), 3.00 (2017), 2.53 (2018)

Most popular grade: A (31.89% of votes)

Analysis: The Yankees were one of two teams (along with the Dodgers) to receive at least 3,000 votes (which is not a surprise), and because they’re the Yankees, they saw huge spikes in both their A and F grades. The huge cut of A votes was balanced out by 23.01% of their votes coming in as an F, if only because they’re the Yankees. Much like last year, when they ranked 12th, their grade seems right and not too extreme like in 2016 or 2017.
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the Yankees' team depends on who is on  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2019 3:45 pm : link
Kay - sucks
Ruocco - decent
Cone - awesome
O'Neill - very good
Flaherty - sucks
Singleton - great
Have to say  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2019 3:45 pm : link
the Mets broadcast team is top notch, love Gary, Keith and Ron.

Didn't click the link to see who #1 and #2 are, but I wouldn't have been shocked if they were #1.

Such a solid group, and very likable and considering all things Mets it's sort of amazing they haven't messed it up somehow yet.
Full rankings  
RobCarpenter : 8/12/2019 3:46 pm : link
Here:

I'm a Nats fan  
RobCarpenter : 8/12/2019 3:47 pm : link
And I totally agree with the Nationals' ranking. I can't stand F. P. Santangelo.
RE: the Yankees' team depends on who is on  
BH28 : 8/12/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14528001 Greg from LI said:
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Kay - sucks
Ruocco - decent
Cone - awesome
O'Neill - very good
Flaherty - sucks
Singleton - great


The week where Ruocco and Russo filled in for Kay and Sterling was a godsend. I'm hoping that Ruocco gets more airtime even when Kay comes back.
RE: the Yankees' team depends on who is on  
HomerJones45 : 8/12/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14528001 Greg from LI said:
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Kay - sucks
Ruocco - decent
Cone - awesome
O'Neill - very good
Flaherty - sucks
Singleton - great
Each to his own. I think Cone is an annoying chatterbox who never shuts up. I keep waiting for O'Neill to say hello to Cora, yell Holy Cow! and thank someone for bringing the cannolis. He reminds me of Rizzuto- and that is not a bad thing.
I think Ruocco  
bigbluehoya : 8/12/2019 3:51 pm : link
is way better than decent. He gets a superb grading from me. Knows the game, his love of it comes across. Nothing feels forced, not a lot of shtick.
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arcarsenal : 8/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
Kay has kind of grown on me. I feel like he's gotten better as time has gone on.

Ruocco has done a very nice job filling in for him.

Cone is fantastic... he's a must listen any time he's in the booth. Excellent insight - particularly regarding pitching.

Paul is more comic relief than anything, but I like when he's in there.

Love Singleton. Wish he was more than just part-time now. Kenny is low key very funny and he's a great listen.

Can't stand Flaherty.

The Mets' booth when both Keith and Ron are in it is great. Cohen's voice I always found to be fairly grating... but he does know his stuff and the insight provided by the other two makes for a really good group. Can't argue with where they're ranked.
RE: the Yankees' team depends on who is on  
adamg : 8/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14528001 Greg from LI said:
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Kay - sucks
Ruocco - decent
Cone - awesome
O'Neill - very good
Flaherty - sucks
Singleton - great


Flaherty is hit or miss. He used to be better. This year he's been awful.

And I also used to hate O'Neill as a broadcaster, but this year, he's gotten a lot better. He clearly knows the game well.

My favorite is when they have Singleton on pbp and Coney doing analysis. If they throw in O'Neill that'd be a fun time.
We get the Braves where I live.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2019 3:57 pm : link
Chip Caray is unlistenable.
O'Neill has grown into the role  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2019 4:02 pm : link
He was pretty stiff in the first couple of years, but now he's relaxed and pretty damned funny. Gene's right, he's a lot like a Scooter 2.0.
Typo correction for those who might just glance at first post  
shyster : 8/12/2019 4:03 pm : link
Yanks ranked 16 not 6
As a Reds fan I have to disagree with their low ranking.  
RDJR : 8/12/2019 4:08 pm : link
Thom Brennaman, Jim Day, Chris Welch and Jeff Brantley do a good job. The Mets’ team is the best IMO. The Yankees’ team on the other hand is a tough listen. Roucco has helped tremendously in Kay’s absence, but O’Neill stinks IMO. Talks about himself too much, doesn’t offer much analysis and is just a wise guy. Cone is excellent.
Like he did as a player, Cone raises his game in big spots.  
bceagle05 : 8/12/2019 4:12 pm : link
Yesterday's Chapman/Vlad showdown was a perfect example. He did an excellent job explaining - and second-guessing at times - the pitch selection during that AB.
I've always felt Singleton was a better play-by-play guy than analyst.  
bceagle05 : 8/12/2019 4:14 pm : link
Not that he's a bad analyst, but he's got a great voice for play-by-play and sprinkles in some analysis as well. I enjoy the "players only" vibe when he's calling games with Coney and/or O'Neill.
RE: I'm a Nats fan  
madgiantscow009 : 8/12/2019 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14528009 RobCarpenter said:
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And I totally agree with the Nationals' ranking. I can't stand F. P. Santangelo.


listened to them a little against the Mets, yeah, not great.
As a Yankee fan, have to admit  
mfsd : 8/12/2019 4:33 pm : link
I’ll watch a couple Mets games a year simply bc I really like their broadcast team

Yanks TV team is good - Kay is a doofus, but I don’t hate him as much as some, and Singleton, Cone and O’Neill are great.
FP Santangelo  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2019 4:47 pm : link
is the first announcer I have had to look up to see who he was because he was so bad.

Mets Nats game earlier this year and I was shocked how down right awful he was and it wasn't just being a homer which I could deal with - even from a rival team, his speech pattern, voice, word choice, all awful.

Probably a nice guy, should find a different role.
I have..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/12/2019 4:51 pm : link
no idea how the White Sox team is as high as it is.

I literally want to jam jagged glass up my rectum instead of listening to another HR call by that booth
the Rays aren't ranked highly  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2019 5:03 pm : link
But it's still too high. Brian Anderson is the worst.
I agree 100% with Greg  
arniefez : 8/12/2019 5:26 pm : link
on the Yankees. As far as the Met go the less Gary Cohen the better but Mets broadcasts are generally excellent including Howie Rose on the radio. Hernandez and Darling are both fantastic individually and even better together. That mid/late 80's Mets team was a fascinating bunch.
RE: FP Santangelo  
RobCarpenter : 8/12/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14528149 pjcas18 said:
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is the first announcer I have had to look up to see who he was because he was so bad.

Mets Nats game earlier this year and I was shocked how down right awful he was and it wasn't just being a homer which I could deal with - even from a rival team, his speech pattern, voice, word choice, all awful.

Probably a nice guy, should find a different role.


Most games I watch I have them on mute. He’s horrible
Kruk and Kuip  
Mendenhall64 : 8/12/2019 7:47 pm : link
are awesome.
I'm obviously  
MookGiants : 8/12/2019 7:48 pm : link
in the minority on this one, but Gary Cohen is the worst. I have MLB extra innings and watch a lot of random games during the year, I'd put Cohen in the bottom 5 for play by play guys.

Keith and Darling are top notch. I find Cohen to be awful though. I'd put Keith against anyone as far as color guys go.
RE: the Yankees' team depends on who is on  
Rover : 8/12/2019 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14528001 Greg from LI said:
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Kay - sucks
Ruocco - decent
Cone - awesome
O'Neill - very good
Flaherty - sucks
Singleton - great

I agree with you almost completely, aside from Flash.
I'm neutral towards him/think he is ok.
What is the problem with him?
RE: I'm obviously  
Rover : 8/12/2019 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14528401 MookGiants said:
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in the minority on this one, but Gary Cohen is the worst. I have MLB extra innings and watch a lot of random games during the year, I'd put Cohen in the bottom 5 for play by play guys.

Keith and Darling are top notch. I find Cohen to be awful though. I'd put Keith against anyone as far as color guys go.

You don't get Met games in NEPA?
Guess that is Bucco country.
The Nationals broadcast team is the worst  
Jints in Carolina : 8/13/2019 11:58 am : link
The Royals are not far behind.
I can't really argue with the Top 4  
Jints in Carolina : 8/13/2019 11:59 am : link
I enjoy all their broadcasts.
RE: Kruk and Kuip  
Jints in Carolina : 8/13/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14528398 Mendenhall64 said:
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are awesome.


I've been listening to Kuip all the way back to 1986 when he did some games on a pay per game service called Giants Vision when I lived out in SF. Love him and Krukow.
RE: The Nationals broadcast team is the worst  
arcarsenal : 8/13/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14529065 Jints in Carolina said:
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The Royals are not far behind.


I haven't even heard every broadcast team in the league and still feel extremely confident in this being correct.

The Nationals team is absolutely horrible. Bar none the worst I've heard.
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arcarsenal : 8/13/2019 12:30 pm : link
The Nationals booth sounds like a college broadcast course. It's horrible.
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RobCarpenter : 8/13/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14529101 arcarsenal said:
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The Nationals booth sounds like a college broadcast course. It's horrible.


I don't see how F.P. still has a job. Just brutal to listen to that idiot. And he thinks he's so clever by saying "there goes the no-hitter" anytime the Nationals get a hit.

Maybe MASN wants the announcers to suck b/c MASN is owned by Peter Angelos.
FP is so damn smug too  
Jints in Carolina : 8/13/2019 12:45 pm : link
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RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 8/13/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14529113 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 14529101 arcarsenal said:


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The Nationals booth sounds like a college broadcast course. It's horrible.



I don't see how F.P. still has a job. Just brutal to listen to that idiot. And he thinks he's so clever by saying "there goes the no-hitter" anytime the Nationals get a hit.

Maybe MASN wants the announcers to suck b/c MASN is owned by Peter Angelos.


Yup. So, so bad.
I wouldn't put it past Angelos  
Greg from LI : 8/13/2019 12:54 pm : link
He's a vindictive mofo
RE: FP is so damn smug too  
RobCarpenter : 8/13/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14529135 Jints in Carolina said:
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I know - and I'd never heard of him until he started calling the games. I suppose they hired him b/c he played for the Expos. But it's not as if he had a distinguished career. OPS of .716 for his career, woof.

Here's an article about why the team sucks so bad, about last year's poll which predicted they'd finish last this year:
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RE: I have..  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/13/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14528153 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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no idea how the White Sox team is as high as it is.

I literally want to jam jagged glass up my rectum instead of listening to another HR call by that booth


Who votes on these things? The local fans? What a dumb way to "judge" local broadcast teams. Kay is such a flukey and annoying listen.
RE: I'm obviously  
10thAve : 8/13/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14528401 MookGiants said:
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in the minority on this one, but Gary Cohen is the worst. I have MLB extra innings and watch a lot of random games during the year, I'd put Cohen in the bottom 5 for play by play guys.

Keith and Darling are top notch. I find Cohen to be awful though. I'd put Keith against anyone as far as color guys go.

Out of curiosity why do you say that about Cohen? I’ve always liked him but this year I’ve noticed he’s made lots of errors, to the tune of almost one every other game it seems. And he’s had a tendency this year to overreact on fly balls, some of which don’t even make the warning track. To me he’s definitely slipped this year.

Keith is easily my favorite. It’s a shame he only got the one year with the Fox postseason studio team. He was terrific in that setting.
I cannot stand Michael Kay. Listening to the games with Ruocco  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/13/2019 4:44 pm : link
has been like a vacation. Flaherty is annoying, but he's on so rarely it's hard to get wrapped up in that. Cone and Singleton are great and Paulie is fine.


The Mets guys are great although I'd put Cohen FAR below Keith and Ron.
RE: RE: I'm obviously  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14529169 10thAve said:
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In comment 14528401 MookGiants said:
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in the minority on this one, but Gary Cohen is the worst. I have MLB extra innings and watch a lot of random games during the year, I'd put Cohen in the bottom 5 for play by play guys.

Keith and Darling are top notch. I find Cohen to be awful though. I'd put Keith against anyone as far as color guys go.


Out of curiosity why do you say that about Cohen? I’ve always liked him but this year I’ve noticed he’s made lots of errors, to the tune of almost one every other game it seems. And he’s had a tendency this year to overreact on fly balls, some of which don’t even make the warning track. To me he’s definitely slipped this year.

Keith is easily my favorite. It’s a shame he only got the one year with the Fox postseason studio team. He was terrific in that setting.

As a Mets fan, I'm not sure if that's right. Not that Gary never makes mistakes, but they talk daily about how the ball, even off the barrel or looking like bloop, goes out. Obv in context of juiced balls

And IMO since the break there's a few looking like they'd go out based on the 1st half but didn't. Iirc at least JD & Conforto had a few recently, even I thought those might go but died at the WT. It's become hard to tell

Outside of that, I'm no expert so maybe there's more but I haven't caught anything egregious or repeat for my part

+1 from me, they are great...good info, good backstories, not too tangential (tho it's baseball), relatively unbiased (w/ just enough homerism), decent entertainment. Also like Gelbs stuff and well Justine (sigh). Good stuff
Tell you what, listening to Gary Apple while Cohen is off in Atl  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 8:08 pm : link
big drop off for sure
RE: Tell you what, listening to Gary Apple while Cohen is off in Atl  
10thAve : 8/13/2019 8:26 pm : link
In comment 14529598 ChaChing said:
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big drop off for sure

Agree. No life with Apple at all. I take back what I said about Cohen. And we get Apple all week.
RE: the Yankees' team depends on who is on  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/14/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14528001 Greg from LI said:
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Kay - sucks
Ruocco - decent
Cone - awesome
O'Neill - very good
Flaherty - sucks
Singleton - great


Arbitrary and non-sensical hot take.
Arbitrary?  
Greg from LI : 8/14/2019 10:40 am : link
I'm sorry, is there some kind of clinical measurement by which to rank announcers? Of COURSE it's fuckin' arbitrary, Fekker.

Not everything you disgree with is a "hot take". Some things are simply a difference of opinion.
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