…(and maybe next) he stands at the crossroads of his career?
If he helps turn the team around, perhaps he'll go down in history as a respectable / successful Head Coach.
Or, if the Giants continue to flounder under his leadership, will he be consigned to history's dust bin of failed coaches?
In any event, in listening to him in various situations, one can't help but feel that he is an immanently decent, compassionate human being!
Plus he is developing a young qb.
I do not think there is any chance he’s the long term answer.
Agreed.
If he gets the ax here though, he's done as a HC.
100% agree. I think Shurmur is a capable football coach, and someone who likely will bring the Giants to the playoffs and help fix the mess that McAdoo and Reese created. But I don't see him as a Super Bowl winning coach. Think more Jim Fassel than Ray Handley/McAdoo but short of Parcells/Coughlin.
I think he will be given through 2020 and the Giants will evaluate after that.
Again...thing falling apart would move that up.
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In a couple of years this team will either be winning and he will get credit, or they won't and he will be gone.
With the default 'Eli excuse', I think it's hard to judge 2018 because the OL was so poor, so limited, Odell in and out. The 'd' was eminently shreddable.
While he may burn under the collar a bit under media scrutiny, or make references to players that might be ill advised**, ok. Yeah, lot of weight on his shoulders, still getting his feet anchored with 'his' team.
What I like about him is that it's clear that he is liked by players. I think he has low tolerance for mental mistakes on the field, which is good, and he immediately lets players know about it--see ** above.
No one is going to be Parcells incarnate. I guess the core of the critique is maybe his football acumen is not high enough? This season will add to the basis for evaluation.
Do you remember any examples? I too question whether or not he is the guy to lead this team, but that is more about your latter statement. Reports from players seem to really respect him from a managing of personalities stand point.
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Agreed. When I listen to him speak, it's not just the lukewarm demeanor. He's shown at times to be a bit petty, throws players under the bus, a bit weak under media scrutiny, etc. Not to mention his in game decisions and command are suspect at times.
Do you remember any examples? I too question whether or not he is the guy to lead this team, but that is more about your latter statement. Reports from players seem to really respect him from a managing of personalities stand point.
The one that stuck out to me the most last year was allowing the Saints to run the clock down before the half when we had all our timeouts. They had a 3rd and goal with over a minute left and Shurmur let the Saints run the clock down to like 20 seconds before the play.
He owned up to it afterwards but there's absolutely no excuse for it as an NFL head coach. I was at the game and we were all screaming to call a timeout.
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Yes his interviews leave a lot to be desired but the team didnt give up on him last yr despite the shit show that was going on. I think that says more about him as a leader than a couple rough interviews with a washed up Francesa who clearly has an axe to grind with the jints.
I expect a hungry, confident team, that plays sound football this year. clearly not the most talented team on paper but I am very excited to see what he can do with an average offensive line in yr two of the system.
If they win 7-8 games this season and 9-10 next season that is a nice turnaround and he keeps his job, just as Coughlin did, but that’s probably not going to put him in the top tier of coaches. Also it’s his second head coaching job, so he’s not a rookie. He needs to show results, and fast.
So will he do prove a failure, a mediocrity or a star? That’s the crossroads he’s at. It’s probably his last chance to be a star.
Plus he is developing a young qb.
Disagree. Another 4 or 5 win season and he's gone.
You cant evaluate a head coach based on the idea that the team didnt quit on him in a 5 win season. That's a very soft standard.
He wont be fired this year unless it's a total disaster.
Coach said he is a overachiever several times. Let's stop talking with the media about the Giants being a young team and get them to perform and overachieve.
There is enough of a veteran presence and talent that anything less than a competitive big game in December without catastrophic injuries should have the Giants move on from him imo.
Unless this season completely implodes, I think Shurmur deserves a chance to have a QB that fits his system. And that's Jones - so it seems on paper. And he needs to have that play out over a full year. So I think it would be fair to give him another year.
Unless a great coaching prospect enters the market, and it's too vital not to add that coach...just for kicks, like an Urban Meyer decides to get in the league...
If they win 7-8 games this season and 9-10 next season that is a nice turnaround and he keeps his job, just as Coughlin did, but that’s probably not going to put him in the top tier of coaches. Also it’s his second head coaching job, so he’s not a rookie. He needs to show results, and fast.
So will he do prove a failure, a mediocrity or a star? That’s the crossroads he’s at. It’s probably his last chance to be a star.
Thank you!
I mean no disrespect to the other posters on this thread, but my question was, indeed, whether or not Pat Shurmur is at the crossroads of his career, and not whether or not he has a one / two year window to succeed.
Those are two different questions... related, but different.
Can we be patient with this guy. Often times circumstances dictate you just can’t win no matter how good a coach you might be.
He has not exactly been in great situations. As for his first year with the Giants, his team played considerably better as the season progressed.
It a very possible he is actually a very good head coach.
Can we be patient with this guy. Often times circumstances dictate you just can’t win no matter how good a coach you might be.
He has not exactly been in great situations. As for his first year with the Giants, his team played considerably better as the season progressed.
It a very possible he is actually a very good head coach.
I could easily argue Jones. He is the compass of the future.
So if Jones get in, and I hope it's much sooner rather than later, and he does well, Shurmur should get a ton of credit. And regardless of the record.
This is getting way down the road, but if the above occurs, then Jones will have some say in the matter. If he likes Shurmur, that will carry weight.
Now if 2020 comes and the Giants are still a mess and Jones looks lost, I think everyone - not limited to Shurmur - is likely gone.
Like others have said, I think the jury is still out on Shurmur, but to date he has not been a successful NFL head coach. Maybe the light bulb goes on for him, or he could be a guy who is nothing more than a good coordinator. League history is littered with those types.
It a very possible he is actually a very good head coach.
Sure, it's possible, and it's possible that Imagine Dragons creates a timeless album that will go down in history as a defining musical achievement on par with Exile on Main Street. But the past doesn't give much confidence that either will happen.
The word is founder(sink). Flounder is a fish.
But, yes, if he doesn't get it done here, he will be done as a HC.
I hear you, but Turner and Phillips had some success. Surprisingly, Phillips is 82/64 basically over 11 season (two seasons where he was hired the end of a season). Of those 11 season he had winning records in 7. That surprised when I studied it...