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Golden Tate Suspension Upheld

Saos1n : 8/13/2019 3:31 pm
Oh well
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Not really a surprise...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/13/2019 3:33 pm : link
given how these things have gone elsewhere.

Thanks for posting.
Did anyone really think  
cjac : 8/13/2019 3:33 pm : link
they were going to reduce it?
Well, on the bright side, it makes his contract a hell of a lot  
jlukes : 8/13/2019 3:33 pm : link
more cap friendly
Pack it up folks  
adamg : 8/13/2019 3:34 pm : link
Season's over
At least he didnít pretend to pee  
mikeinbloomfield : 8/13/2019 3:34 pm : link
In the end zone! Whew!
RE: Well, on the bright side, it makes his contract a hell of a lot  
ron mexico : 8/13/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14529364 jlukes said:
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more cap friendly


Makes him more cuttable, but from a cap Perspective,just gets reduced on a pro rated basis
I think these  
joeinpa : 8/13/2019 3:35 pm : link
Re receivers are going to surprise in a good way
What does this mean re: his contract?  
90.Cal : 8/13/2019 3:39 pm : link
Can the Giants take some sort of action to protect themselves or pay him less?
And it's just his salary that gets prorated  
ron mexico : 8/13/2019 3:39 pm : link
Signing and roster bonus don't get impacted
RE: What does this mean re: his contract?  
ron mexico : 8/13/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14529375 90.Cal said:
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Can the Giants take some sort of action to protect themselves or pay him less?


The big impact his future guarantees our voided, which makes him more cuttable in the off-season but only has a small cap Impact this year
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/13/2019 3:41 pm : link
Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports

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Now that itís official, as most figured it would be, thereís a lot here. Bottom line, Tate wonít play at Dallas, vs Buffalo, at TB & vs Wash. And, as @MikeGarafolo
noted earlier, his guaranteed $$ for 2020 voids.
Next man up.  
Klaatu : 8/13/2019 3:43 pm : link
Bright side, it'll give one of the other WR's a little more time to show what he can do.
RE: ...  
cjac : 8/13/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14529382 Eric from BBI said:
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports

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Now that itís official, as most figured it would be, thereís a lot here. Bottom line, Tate wonít play at Dallas, vs Buffalo, at TB & vs Wash. And, as @MikeGarafolo
noted earlier, his guaranteed $$ for 2020 voids.


3-1, no problem
RE: ...  
Matt in SGS : 8/13/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14529382 Eric from BBI said:
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports

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Now that itís official, as most figured it would be, thereís a lot here. Bottom line, Tate wonít play at Dallas, vs Buffalo, at TB & vs Wash. And, as @MikeGarafolo
noted earlier, his guaranteed $$ for 2020 voids.


The Giants might be in their best cap situation going into 2020...well...since the salary cap was put in place back in 1994.
Does he count on the 53-man  
Bill L : 8/13/2019 3:46 pm : link
or do they get an exemption?
Robert Quinn Cowboy's  
David_Upstate : 8/13/2019 3:47 pm : link
Why did Robert Quinn only get 2 and Tate got 4 thought it was 4 across the board?
RE: Does he count on the 53-man  
90.Cal : 8/13/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14529394 Bill L said:
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or do they get an exemption?


He does not count until he is back from suspension. I suspect another WR is given his roster spot until he can play.
RE: Does he count on the 53-man  
BillT : 8/13/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14529394 Bill L said:
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or do they get an exemption?

Believe they get an exemption.
RE: Robert Quinn Cowboy's  
ron mexico : 8/13/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14529396 David_Upstate said:
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Why did Robert Quinn only get 2 and Tate got 4 thought it was 4 across the board?


Quinn got popped for a masking agent while Tate tested positive for an actual PED
Giants legal team  
DavidinBMNY : 8/13/2019 3:52 pm : link
Really protected the franchise. It's definitely going to hurt not having Tate on the field and I can't see how defenses will fear our WRs.

At the same time the flexibility with the roster going forward is very beneficial.
Seems like Quinn should get 6 then  
Bill L : 8/13/2019 3:52 pm : link
4 for what was masked.
There was no precedent for reduction  
JonC : 8/13/2019 3:54 pm : link
Will this help his cap hit if he's gone in 2020, is what I want to know.
Not surprising  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2019 4:00 pm : link
.
RE: Next man up.  
Route 9 : 8/13/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14529388 Klaatu said:
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Bright side, it'll give one of the other WR's a little more time to show what he can do.


Who exactly would be the next man?

Bennie Fowler? I'm so fucking fired up for this season to start.
RE: There was no precedent for reduction  
ron mexico : 8/13/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14529408 JonC said:
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Will this help his cap hit if he's gone in 2020, is what I want to know.


We would have 7.5 mil of dead cap if we cut him in the off season as opposed to 15.5. Still a tough nut to swallow but doable if he doesn't pan out.
of course it is  
Jints in Carolina : 8/13/2019 4:04 pm : link
he should've beaten the shit out of some kids or a woman instead. He'd get no games.
Did anyone really believe it was going to be cut?  
jcn56 : 8/13/2019 4:05 pm : link
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RE: RE: Robert Quinn Cowboy's  
section125 : 8/13/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14529401 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14529396 David_Upstate said:


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Why did Robert Quinn only get 2 and Tate got 4 thought it was 4 across the board?



Quinn got popped for a masking agent while Tate tested positive for an actual PED


Ha ha. Brilliant. The guy that tries to hide his PEDs gets 2 games. But the guy that reported he took the stuff gets 4 games...
Does the murderer that tries to get away with it get less time than the guy that calls it in and stands there and waits for the cops?

I understand they can't allow him to do this, claim he didn't know what was in it and then say it was prescribed by a Doc. Everyone would do it and many already have claimed the same excuse...
But I don't understand giving the guy who used and tried to conceal it 1/2 the suspension. He should get 2 additional to the 4 in the contract.

IMHO!
RE: Did anyone really believe it was going to be cut?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14529427 jcn56 said:
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Yes, there were several that believed it would be cut.
RE: RE: Next man up.  
Klaatu : 8/13/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14529423 Route 9 said:
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In comment 14529388 Klaatu said:


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Bright side, it'll give one of the other WR's a little more time to show what he can do.



Who exactly would be the next man?

Bennie Fowler? I'm so fucking fired up for this season to start.


No, my guess is that Fowler is going to make the team anyway.

I'm talking about someone on the bubble, someone who's looking at maybe making the practice squad if they're lucky. Someone like Reggie White, Jr., Alonzo Russell, or Alex Wesley.
RE: RE: There was no precedent for reduction  
JonC : 8/13/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14529424 ron mexico said:
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Will this help his cap hit if he's gone in 2020, is what I want to know.



We would have 7.5 mil of dead cap if we cut him in the off season as opposed to 15.5. Still a tough nut to swallow but doable if he doesn't pan out.


Agreed, thanks for the info.
A masking agent prevents the detection of what he took  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2019 4:12 pm : link
I believe.

So if you can't identify what he took, you can only punish a player for trying to cheat the test.

Tate flat out confessed that he took a PED.
RE: I think these  
RDJR : 8/13/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14529371 joeinpa said:
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Re receivers are going to surprise in a good way


Based on what? Practice and one preseason game.
Mets need Golden Tate to refer Robinson Cano to his Dr  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2019 4:13 pm : link
so they can save some $ too.

Tate getting suspended sucks, especially for 2 division game, but hopefully the rest of the offense will be close to full strength. With or without him those should close games, splitting them 2-2 would be a win.
Unfortunate  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/13/2019 4:14 pm : link
Let's get the depth the reps in preseason. Not ideal, but if the Giants are able to run effectively out of the gate it makes this less significant.
I wonder if this has any impact on compensation formula  
Milton : 8/13/2019 4:16 pm : link
There is this belief that the addition of Tate is offset by the subtraction of Jamon Brown, but my fear is that Tate will be offset by Landon Collins. Meaning the Giants will get a 5th round comp pick instead of a 3rd round comp pick next year. Something like this could push Tate's $ closer to Brown and further from Collins.
RE: RE: RE: Robert Quinn Cowboy's  
jcn56 : 8/13/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14529430 section125 said:
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In comment 14529401 ron mexico said:


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In comment 14529396 David_Upstate said:


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Why did Robert Quinn only get 2 and Tate got 4 thought it was 4 across the board?



Quinn got popped for a masking agent while Tate tested positive for an actual PED



Ha ha. Brilliant. The guy that tries to hide his PEDs gets 2 games. But the guy that reported he took the stuff gets 4 games...
Does the murderer that tries to get away with it get less time than the guy that calls it in and stands there and waits for the cops?

I understand they can't allow him to do this, claim he didn't know what was in it and then say it was prescribed by a Doc. Everyone would do it and many already have claimed the same excuse...
But I don't understand giving the guy who used and tried to conceal it 1/2 the suspension. He should get 2 additional to the 4 in the contract.

IMHO!


You can't prove he used, though - that's the problem. That's why the masking agents get penalized even though they don't affect performance at all.

I don't buy Tate's excuse - if you want to blame anyone for anything, don't blame the NFL for penalizing masking agents less, blame Tate for not going the full 9 and using a masking agent as well. If you're going to cheat, go whole hog.
RE: A masking agent prevents the detection of what he took  
section125 : 8/13/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14529438 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I believe.

So if you can't identify what he took, you can only punish a player for trying to cheat the test.

Tate flat out confessed that he took a PED.


If you refuse a breathalyzer, you get the same 6 month loss of license. If you use a masking agent during a drug test in the rest of the workforce, you get the same penalty as if you failed the test.
The only reason to have a masking agent is to hide what you took which was prohibited. So why should Quinn get away with taking PEDs because he covered it up? I would believe that a masking agent is solid evidence of drug use. If the CBA says he can only get two games, it is what it is. But that is a loophole to be closed.
RE: A masking agent prevents the detection of what he took  
Klaatu : 8/13/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14529438 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I believe.

So if you can't identify what he took, you can only punish a player for trying to cheat the test.

Tate flat out confessed that he took a PED.


I thought the cover-up was supposed to be worse than the crime?

Not in these cases, I guess.
That's the difference between collectively bargained policy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2019 4:26 pm : link
and state law. Sure it's a silly and obvious loophole, it saved Robert Quinn two game checks of pay vs. Tate foolishly costing himself millions.
RE: RE: RE: Next man up.  
Route 9 : 8/13/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14529434 Klaatu said:
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No, my guess is that Fowler is going to make the team anyway.

I'm talking about someone on the bubble, someone who's looking at maybe making the practice squad if they're lucky. Someone like Reggie White, Jr., Alonzo Russell, or Alex Wesley.


Ok. Now I am ready. Victor Cruz 2.0 could be in that list and a possible Super Bowl on the horizon! Buckle up!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Next man up.  
Klaatu : 8/13/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14529456 Route 9 said:
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No, my guess is that Fowler is going to make the team anyway.

I'm talking about someone on the bubble, someone who's looking at maybe making the practice squad if they're lucky. Someone like Reggie White, Jr., Alonzo Russell, or Alex Wesley.



Ok. Now I am ready. Victor Cruz 2.0 could be in that list and a possible Super Bowl on the horizon! Buckle up!


You can joke about "Victor Cruz 2.0," but if Brandon Stokley had not gotten hurt, we may never have seen what Cruz could do (at least on the Giants), and might never have won another championship. For a guy on the bubble, it's all about getting one more opportunity to make a name for yourself that you might not have gotten otherwise. I don't like saying it like this, but the truth is that it's a chance to profit from Tate's misfortune (or perfidy, if you prefer).

One other thing about Fowler. He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning. He could also be the last person to catch a pass from Eli Manning...which would be cool.
Bennie Fowler:  
GiantSteps : 8/13/2019 4:43 pm : link
Ender of Mannings
It sucks  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2019 4:46 pm : link
but 2020 will have a ton of open doors, sounds like we just gained flexibility for that which is great.
Klaatu  
ColHowPepper : 8/13/2019 4:46 pm : link
or Slayton in that group
RE: Klaatu  
Klaatu : 8/13/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14529470 ColHowPepper said:
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or Slayton in that group


Slayton's a 5th Round pick (albeit a late one). If he can find the field without a map and a compass he's going to make the team.
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Brown_Hornet : 8/13/2019 5:05 pm : link
In comment 14529389 cjac said:
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Kimberly Jones
@KimJonesSports

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Now that itís official, as most figured it would be, thereís a lot here. Bottom line, Tate wonít play at Dallas, vs Buffalo, at TB & vs Wash. And, as @MikeGarafolo
noted earlier, his guaranteed $$ for 2020 voids.



3-1, no problem

That's not terribly realistic...
... Seriously, who is the 1?

4-0
Slayton  
ColHowPepper : 8/13/2019 5:23 pm : link
worry he (too) has rushed return from hammie...and we don't know what his hands (don't) hold for his future here
TJ Jones come on down!  
Blue21 : 8/13/2019 5:24 pm : link
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Next time he should just talk to Antonio Cromartie ...  
Spider56 : 8/13/2019 5:25 pm : link
or maybe Philip Rivers.
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