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McClain expects Clowney trade

DanMetroMan : 8/13/2019 3:55 pm
John McClain
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Iíll be surprised if Jadeveon Clowney isnít traded. They need an upgrade at LT to protect Deshaun Watson. LTs donít grow on trees so I have no idea who it would be at this time of year.
Clowney for T. Williams seems like a match  
Bill L : 8/13/2019 3:56 pm : link
doesn't it?
This is why the Giants were showcasing Nick Gates at left tackle...  
Milton : 8/13/2019 3:57 pm : link
...on Thursday.
Charlie Wiess  
fireitup77 : 8/13/2019 3:57 pm : link
Started a fake rumor this morning on NFL radio saying just that.
It's good to see John McClain getting work  
Captplanet : 8/13/2019 3:59 pm : link
after the disaster at Nokatomi Towers.
Wheeler?  
Dave : 8/13/2019 3:59 pm : link
:)
Yeah how could this not be Trent Williams  
Mike from Ohio : 8/13/2019 4:00 pm : link
for Clowney?
RE: Yeah how could this not be Trent Williams  
ron mexico : 8/13/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14529421 Mike from Ohio said:
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for Clowney?


Don't the skins have decent pass rushers already?
John McClain  
since1925 : 8/13/2019 4:06 pm : link
The hero of Nakatomi Plaza?
The Eagles have depth on the OL  
Jints in Carolina : 8/13/2019 4:07 pm : link
and money under the cap to do it.
here he is getting a tip from one of his sources  
Greg from LI : 8/13/2019 4:07 pm : link
I posted some opinions with facts in Dawg's thread about this.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/13/2019 4:07 pm : link
I took 2 criteria. One, Houston trades him to the NFC. Two, the teams needs that $16 mil (a little less) in cap space. There are 6 teams that fit that criteria.

49ers
Cowboys
Eagles
Seahawks
Lions
Bears

Right off the bat we can eliminate the Cowboys for obvious reasons. Then we look at the Lions and Bears. Both would basically have no cap space without other moves. That means the 49ers, Eagles and Seahawks are the most likely teams. I talked tp my cousin who is a Niners fan and his response was no way as they have so much invested in their front 7 already. I agree.

That leaves Philly and Seattle. Both make a lot of sense. However, if Houston wants a good return they'd have to be open to trading him within the AFC because the options are plentiful in the AFC.
Watch Roseman fleece Ďem  
The_Boss : 8/13/2019 4:12 pm : link
Clowney for a few Day 3 picks and a cheesesteak from Genoís.
RE: here he is getting a tip from one of his sources  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/13/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14529431 Greg from LI said:
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Sometimes McClain's facts are a bit mixed up since his source only speaks in riddles
Argyle broke the story last night  
ghost718 : 8/13/2019 4:27 pm : link
Houston is in a tough position  
BH28 : 8/13/2019 4:29 pm : link
Is Clowney worth more than JJ Watt? If they pay him, he will be. If they answer is no, you have to trade Clowney. If the answer is yes, then you've reset the market for Watt.
If the Eagles get Clowney  
GiantSteps : 8/13/2019 4:41 pm : link
then I will frowny
RE: Houston is in a tough position  
robbieballs2003 : 8/13/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14529459 BH28 said:
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Is Clowney worth more than JJ Watt? If they pay him, he will be. If they answer is no, you have to trade Clowney. If the answer is yes, then you've reset the market for Watt.


Watt is always injured and near retirement. Also, Houston cannot pay Clowney until 12/29 so it isn't about paying him at this point
RE: I posted some opinions with facts in Dawg's thread about this.  
pjcas18 : 8/13/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14529432 robbieballs2003 said:
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I took 2 criteria. One, Houston trades him to the NFC. Two, the teams needs that $16 mil (a little less) in cap space. There are 6 teams that fit that criteria.

49ers
Cowboys
Eagles
Seahawks
Lions
Bears

Right off the bat we can eliminate the Cowboys for obvious reasons. Then we look at the Lions and Bears. Both would basically have no cap space without other moves. That means the 49ers, Eagles and Seahawks are the most likely teams. I talked tp my cousin who is a Niners fan and his response was no way as they have so much invested in their front 7 already. I agree.

That leaves Philly and Seattle. Both make a lot of sense. However, if Houston wants a good return they'd have to be open to trading him within the AFC because the options are plentiful in the AFC.


Can't a team have less cap room if they trade back a player instead of just a pick(s). IOW if the team sends a player with for example a $5M cap hit, couldn't they be a candidate with just $10M in space (for example).

If it's just the year maybe HOU considers that.
RE: I posted some opinions with facts in Dawg's thread about this.  
JayBinQueens : 8/13/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14529432 robbieballs2003 said:
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I took 2 criteria. One, Houston trades him to the NFC. Two, the teams needs that $16 mil (a little less) in cap space. There are 6 teams that fit that criteria.

49ers
Cowboys
Eagles
Seahawks
Lions
Bears

Right off the bat we can eliminate the Cowboys for obvious reasons. Then we look at the Lions and Bears. Both would basically have no cap space without other moves. That means the 49ers, Eagles and Seahawks are the most likely teams. I talked tp my cousin who is a Niners fan and his response was no way as they have so much invested in their front 7 already. I agree.

That leaves Philly and Seattle. Both make a lot of sense. However, if Houston wants a good return they'd have to be open to trading him within the AFC because the options are plentiful in the AFC.

good comment robbie. I agree - they'd have to bite the bullet and send him to the AFC if they want a better return. The only rule I'd have if I were them is ship him out of the division
pj, the simple answer is no.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/13/2019 5:02 pm : link
The NFL is more complicated than other sports in a situation like this (The NBA is crazy with all their exceptions, though).

You have to look at how much it would cost to cut or trade a player because those are basically the same with respect to the cap. If we trade Eli who is in the last year of his deal them it makes sense with respect to the cap. But if you get a guy like Tate who was just signed to cannot take his cap hit this year because it will be very low but if we were to cut or trade him then it would cost us a fortune.
RE: pj, the simple answer is no.  
pjcas18 : 8/13/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14529489 robbieballs2003 said:
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The NFL is more complicated than other sports in a situation like this (The NBA is crazy with all their exceptions, though).

You have to look at how much it would cost to cut or trade a player because those are basically the same with respect to the cap. If we trade Eli who is in the last year of his deal them it makes sense with respect to the cap. But if you get a guy like Tate who was just signed to cannot take his cap hit this year because it will be very low but if we were to cut or trade him then it would cost us a fortune.


Well the Giants traded Vernon for Zeitler.

player for player trades happen.

My point was your list of potential trade targets doesn't HAVE to be teams with $15.9M in space today.

The Texans have Clowney counting $15M on their cap due to FT, so it's all salary.

If they really want to move him, they can expand the potential landing spots by taking a player back in the last year of their deal with a $5M cap hit and sure the team who has that player right now might not get full $5M credit if they trade the player due to bonus/guarantees acceleration, but I do believe it's possible to remove the limit on # of teams where Clowney can wind up.



RE: It's good to see John McClain getting work  
bradshaw44 : 8/13/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14529416 Captplanet said:
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after the disaster at Nokatomi Towers.


This made me laugh.
RE: RE: pj, the simple answer is no.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/13/2019 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14529494 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14529489 robbieballs2003 said:


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The NFL is more complicated than other sports in a situation like this (The NBA is crazy with all their exceptions, though).

You have to look at how much it would cost to cut or trade a player because those are basically the same with respect to the cap. If we trade Eli who is in the last year of his deal them it makes sense with respect to the cap. But if you get a guy like Tate who was just signed to cannot take his cap hit this year because it will be very low but if we were to cut or trade him then it would cost us a fortune.



Well the Giants traded Vernon for Zeitler.

player for player trades happen.

My point was your list of potential trade targets doesn't HAVE to be teams with $15.9M in space today.

The Texans have Clowney counting $15M on their cap due to FT, so it's all salary.

If they really want to move him, they can expand the potential landing spots by taking a player back in the last year of their deal with a $5M cap hit and sure the team who has that player right now might not get full $5M credit if they trade the player due to bonus/guarantees acceleration, but I do believe it's possible to remove the limit on # of teams where Clowney can wind up.




pj, again, it isn't that simple. And Vernon for Zeitler has nothing to do with this conversation. Different situation. Again, if there is a player that would save a team money by trading him then, yes, that would help. I wrote in my original comment that I wanted to keep it simple but also that a team like Detroit or Chicago could do it but would have to do other things to make it work. One of those things could he moving a player IF it helps free up cap space.
Also, I was looking for the teams that made the most sense  
robbieballs2003 : 8/13/2019 5:42 pm : link
and are the best fit for Clowney. I am not totally ruling out all other teams hence why I said if Houston wants to get the best possible return they will most likely have to make him available within the AFC.
RE: RE: RE: pj, the simple answer is no.  
pjcas18 : 8/13/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14529507 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14529494 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 14529489 robbieballs2003 said:


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The NFL is more complicated than other sports in a situation like this (The NBA is crazy with all their exceptions, though).

You have to look at how much it would cost to cut or trade a player because those are basically the same with respect to the cap. If we trade Eli who is in the last year of his deal them it makes sense with respect to the cap. But if you get a guy like Tate who was just signed to cannot take his cap hit this year because it will be very low but if we were to cut or trade him then it would cost us a fortune.



Well the Giants traded Vernon for Zeitler.

player for player trades happen.

My point was your list of potential trade targets doesn't HAVE to be teams with $15.9M in space today.

The Texans have Clowney counting $15M on their cap due to FT, so it's all salary.

If they really want to move him, they can expand the potential landing spots by taking a player back in the last year of their deal with a $5M cap hit and sure the team who has that player right now might not get full $5M credit if they trade the player due to bonus/guarantees acceleration, but I do believe it's possible to remove the limit on # of teams where Clowney can wind up.






pj, again, it isn't that simple. And Vernon for Zeitler has nothing to do with this conversation. Different situation. Again, if there is a player that would save a team money by trading him then, yes, that would help. I wrote in my original comment that I wanted to keep it simple but also that a team like Detroit or Chicago could do it but would have to do other things to make it work. One of those things could he moving a player IF it helps free up cap space.


Right, I just think in simplifying it, you maybe eliminated some things the Texans might try realistically to broaden the trade partners.

Allegedly, according to some reports, Clowney isn't making trading him easier since he reportedly killed a trade with Miami (Tunsil?) because he was unwilling to sign an extension with Miami (or anywhere).

And that might be the killer for any trade. The Texans will want a lot for him (from what I've read) and he wants to hit free agency refusing to sign an extension anywhere he's traded.

The earliest extension he can sign is 12/29 this year.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/13/2019 5:54 pm : link
It is a risk for him if he gets injured and a risk for the team trading for him that he doesn't show up or doesn't sign long term.
pj, it is also too crazy to think about players as it is just too  
robbieballs2003 : 8/13/2019 5:56 pm : link
complicated. You have to look at the cap implications for each individual player.
I've heard the same thing  
Sy'56 : 8/13/2019 6:23 pm : link
with MIA making multiple inquiries
RE: Clowney for T. Williams seems like a match  
Sy'56 : 8/13/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14529410 Bill L said:
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doesn't it?


WAS really loves their front on defense...and rightfully so
RE: This is why the Giants were showcasing Nick Gates at left tackle...  
TJ : 8/13/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14529413 Milton said:
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...on Thursday.


HAhaaaaa!
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