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NFT: Mets @ Braves Game 1: Wheeler v Fried

ChaChing : 8/13/2019 7:20 pm
J. McNeil2B
A. RosarioSS
P. Alonso1B
JD DavisLF
W. RamosC
M. ConfortoRF
T. Frazier3B
J. LagaresCF
Z. WheelerP

R. Acuna Jr.LF
O. Albies2B
F. Freeman1B
J. Donaldson3B
B. McCannC
M. JoyceRF
E. InciarteCF
C. CulbersonSS
M. FriedP

Might be getting the Braves at a good time between injuries and some poor play, esp the BP. Also no Soroka this series who iirc has been their best SP (tho of course they dodge NYM's 2 best). LGFM, need to keep winning series no matter the comp
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One more inning of good NYM ABs and Fried might get the hook  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 8:45 pm : link
PC close to 80 already I believe
Wow I didn't realize Wheeler had a 3 pitch 3rd  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 8:46 pm : link
and an easy 1st out in the 4th
So in 1 inning I think Apple  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 8:56 pm : link
1. called Alonso "Alonto" (i think)
2. said Mets will only get one, when the batter barely ran up the line to first

Aside from several simply incorrect calls of names, like on a fly ball calling iirc Culberson Acuna. One thing if you mix up names after a shift in the infield and a bang-bang play but on a fly ball? Also called Acuna Albies while AB
Atl D is so much better  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 8:58 pm : link
than NYM D. So many tough plays they make with little issue. Hell Inciarte almost got to the Lagares double too
Got the Fried PC wrong...  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 8:59 pm : link
he's just at 74 now in what looks to be an easy inning in the 5th
Not our night...  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2019 9:10 pm : link
Come back ready to play tomorrow.

Hope the Mets enjoyed their off day yesterday. Looked like a fun day out in Atlanta from some of the players based on IG, ect.


Not that I think this is happening but  
Rob in Rockaway : 8/13/2019 9:15 pm : link
we are down 4 runs with 4 innings to go. Let's chip away and make this a game.
They need to show some of that bounce back fire as they did against  
steve in ky : 8/13/2019 9:17 pm : link
Washington
RE: Not that I think this is happening but  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14529667 Rob in Rockaway said:
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we are down 4 runs with 4 innings to go. Let's chip away and make this a game.

Not impossible vs their BP. But the issue might be that in addition to keeping this lineup at 5 at this point

They are damn good AB and love playing the Mets. Right now even the 2nd half of the lineup is producing, Fried even had a double in addition to a great Rosario play to prevent a single. And of course while their BP is awful, ours isn't exactly reassuring depending on who you call on

But we've seen some shit recently, so we'll see how this goes
God damn  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 9:29 pm : link
Lagares 3-3 but Frazier out at the plate
Acuna is going to torture us for a good long while  
Rob in Rockaway : 8/13/2019 9:32 pm : link
.
Ok into their BP at least  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 9:41 pm : link
...
So while I too would be avoiding Lugo, Wilson, maybe Diaz  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 9:55 pm : link
once again Avilan vs righties? 1st 3 batters goes R-L-R...so why not use basically any other RHP instead of your LOOGY? Is there any good reason for this (even if it works here)?

As he hits the 2nd righty after giving up an IF hit to the 1st
OTOH, MC doesn't really use him as a LOOGY  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 9:57 pm : link
so maybe it's expected regardless
lets gooooooooooooooooooo!  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 10:10 pm : link
rally time. Mr RISP & Conforto coming up w/ Pete & JD on 1st & 2nd & 0-outs............
LAGARES  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 10:21 pm : link
a little luck but whatever!

5-3...
it's pretty hilarious how crappy all the NLE bullpens are  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2019 10:21 pm : link
always nice to Freeman make mistakes. If they could get 1 more to make it a 1 run game in the 9th would be huge.
Lagares' 4-4  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 10:23 pm : link
and he's STILL not over .200 (Ahhh .199)
RE: it's pretty hilarious how crappy all the NLE bullpens are  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14529750 Eric on Li said:
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always nice to Freeman make mistakes. If they could get 1 more to make it a 1 run game in the 9th would be huge.

It's actually why I been wondering if they should be a little less aggressive in div at the plate. Don't get me wrong, can't change what the hot hitters are doing, but aside from McNeil maybe 1-2 others if anything, in a game like today I would rather have had a lot less 1st pitch swinging, particularly from Rosario & Ramos etc. They still have some good ABs, had several 3 ball counts, but when it's THIS much of a difference, why not?

Easier said than done no doubt, but it seems like there's too many with this approach when getting to the BPs esp vs the NLe is huge right now
RE: it's pretty hilarious how crappy all the NLE bullpens are  
PhiPsi125 : 8/13/2019 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14529750 Eric on Li said:
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always nice to Freeman make mistakes. If they could get 1 more to make it a 1 run game in the 9th would be huge.


Lol, really? I was just thinking how nice it must be for the Braves to trot out 4 relief pitchers all with ERAs in the 3s (with one under 3.00) while the Mets have sent out 4 relievers sporting a 4.79, 5.93, 6.46 and 7.29 ERA. I mean...are you fucking kidding me? And the rest arenít much better.
True PhiPsi  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 10:33 pm : link
but I think the BP talk is more about post ASG production. Mets have been real good by the numbers, most if not all of the rest of the NLe awful...regardless of the overall season numbers
Well top lineup  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 10:34 pm : link
lets go, need 2 runs...
Shitty night  
Metnut : 8/13/2019 10:36 pm : link
and McNeil hurt too.
Ugh and McNeil grabs his hammy  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 10:36 pm : link
...
RE: True PhiPsi  
PhiPsi125 : 8/13/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14529758 ChaChing said:
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but I think the BP talk is more about post ASG production. Mets have been real good by the numbers, most if not all of the rest of the NLe awful...regardless of the overall season numbers


And how was the BP in the Washington series?
Cool McNeil should be out a couple weeks  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2019 10:43 pm : link
Didn't look a tear like Cano, but he definitely tweaked something. Good times. Ugly ugly might.
Not very good? Mets came back late in first 2 games  
ChaChing : 8/13/2019 10:43 pm : link
and closer Doolittle got shelled

Either way 1 series doesn't change the overall point about NLe BPs since the ASG
ATL's BP has been a huge issue - they only added most of those guys  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2019 10:51 pm : link
as a last resort in the last few months because the guys before them sucked. Blevins started the year on a minor league deal and got DFA'd twice, Swarzak has been traded/salary dumped 3x in the last 6 months, and Melancon completes the trash heap trifecta getting named closer after giving up 4 runs in his first 5 innings as a brave. He got the job because Shane Greene has blown 2 saves in his first 4 innings as a Brave and has an 11 ERA.

Don't get me wrong all those guys may actually be better than what Atlanta had prior - but none of these teams in the NL East have good bullpens and it's almost comical how bad they all are. As bad as ours has been I think just about every team would take it from this point in the season forward if they had the choice. Even if just because of Lugo.
9 behind Atlanta  
Metnut : 8/13/2019 10:55 pm : link
3 behind WSH and 1.5 behind STL if they hold on.

All our winning streak did was get us into the discussion. Have to keep wining series or theyíll fall out of the race. Even a bad team like SF got white hot for a little while. Have to follow it up with sustained winning baseball.
Back to reality it seems  
giantsFC : 8/13/2019 11:01 pm : link
Injuries to best players, shit performance from wheeler. Crap bullpen.

Glad I didnít fall for the hype fully and purchase MLB package for rest of year
Top 3 NL East teams - bullpens in the 2nd Half  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2019 11:04 pm : link
Mets 7-4, 7 saves, 1 blown save, 3.46 era / 4.89 fip
Nats 3-10, 8 saves, 4 blown saves, 5.95 era / 5.21 fip
Braves 5-4, 6 saves, 4 blown saves, 6.90 era / 6.14 fip

None have been great (Mets included though they've certainly been the best), the Mets have just avoided the implosions the other teams haven't. The only regular reliever in that period of time with an ERA over 4 is Diaz (5.91), who also gave up the 1 blown save. Familia has only given up 3 runs in 12 appearances since the break. Lugo 1 run in 14 appearances. Avilan by some miracle 0 runs in 12 appearances. Wilson 2 runs in 15 appearances.

Gsellman and Diaz have been bad, and the AAAA guys like Nogosek and Bashlor were awful (combined 10 runs allowed in 8 innings).
Mets BP 2nd half - ( New Window )
in better news (bat signal for Mike) Kevin Smith continued his hot  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2019 11:09 pm : link
start in AA throwing 6 innings of shut out ball allowing only 2 hits and striking out 5. Now 3-1 with an era under 2 (1.98) since getting called up to AA. He and Peterson putting themselves in the position to start next year on the radar for call-ups.
Sounds like McNeil is going to  
Metnut : 8/13/2019 11:31 pm : link
miss some time. I thought Nimmo was supposed to start a rehab assignment?

I imagine they will have to ride Lagares every day now for a while.
RE: in better news (bat signal for Mike) Kevin Smith continued his hot  
Mike in NY : 8/13/2019 11:50 pm : link
In comment 14529776 Eric on Li said:
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start in AA throwing 6 innings of shut out ball allowing only 2 hits and striking out 5. Now 3-1 with an era under 2 (1.98) since getting called up to AA. He and Peterson putting themselves in the position to start next year on the radar for call-ups.


Thanks for the love. He just struck me as someone who could outperform his college stats when put into a consistent role. Improved strikeout numbers each year despite alternating between rotation and bullpen and in the Cape Cod League he was among team leaders who averaged more than 2 IP/appearance in H/9. The latter indicates to me a pitcher who isnít inducing a lot of loud contact with wood bats especially since there was nothing excessive in HR allowed.
Standings Watch:  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 12:44 am : link
W: Phi, Was, Stl, Az, SF
L: Mil

Bad day. On to the next
When I watch Acuna swing...  
M.S. : 8/14/2019 6:55 am : link

...I am reminded of Hank Aaron's swing.
RE: This is a real ugly start for Wheeler  
gmenatlarge : 8/14/2019 7:24 am : link
In comment 14529600 ZGiants98 said:
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Haven't seen this in a while...


Freeman OWNS Wheeler, over .500 BA, maybe walk him??
Decent outing for Szapucki  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2019 8:35 am : link
5 IP, 2H, 1 ER, 3BB. 5K's 78 pitches.

might be his longest outing of the year.
I was happy when we got to their bullpen  
5BowlsSoon : 8/14/2019 8:39 am : link
But Jackson and Melancon did their job well. Greene realizes he is not pitching in Detroit in front of 2,000 people.....many people are watching him now! (Can you say choking?)
.  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2019 8:43 am : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO

4m
Mets Minors notable hitters 8/13

Syracuse
Dilson Herrera 3-4, RBI, 2B

Binghamton
Will Toffey 1-4, HR, BB

St. Lucie
Jacob Zanon 3-6, BB, SB

Columbia
Chandler Avant 2-3, 2B

Brooklyn
Luke Ritter 1-3, HR, 3 RBI, 2 BB

Kingsport
Scott Ota 3-4, 2 2B

Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO

2m
Mets Minors notable pitchers 8/13

Syracuse
Ervin Santana 4.1 IP, 8 ER

Binghamton
Mickey Jannis 6 IP, 0 ER, 10 K
Kevin Smith 6 IP, 0 ER, 5 K

St. Lucie
Thomas Szapucki 5 IP, ER, 5 K

Columbia
Colin Holderman 4.2 IP, 0 R, 4 K

Kingsport
Junior Santos 3 IP, ER, 4 K
Lowrie  
TyreeHelmet : 8/14/2019 8:54 am : link
Any update? What a weird season for him. Does he have a bad history of injuries?
RE: Lowrie  
Metnut : 8/14/2019 9:03 am : link
In comment 14529857 TyreeHelmet said:
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Any update? What a weird season for him. Does he have a bad history of injuries?


He's had his share of injuries in the past but put up 600+ ABs the previous two years.
RE: ATL's BP has been a huge issue - they only added most of those guys  
Jay on the Island : 8/14/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14529771 Eric on Li said:
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as a last resort in the last few months because the guys before them sucked. Blevins started the year on a minor league deal and got DFA'd twice, Swarzak has been traded/salary dumped 3x in the last 6 months, and Melancon completes the trash heap trifecta getting named closer after giving up 4 runs in his first 5 innings as a brave. He got the job because Shane Greene has blown 2 saves in his first 4 innings as a Brave and has an 11 ERA.

Don't get me wrong all those guys may actually be better than what Atlanta had prior - but none of these teams in the NL East have good bullpens and it's almost comical how bad they all are. As bad as ours has been I think just about every team would take it from this point in the season forward if they had the choice. Even if just because of Lugo.

You're absolutely right Eric. The Braves bullpen was atrocious to start the season but then they improved significantly for about 3 weeks only to struggle again.

The Shane Greene trade has been as I feared thus far. He was playing in a no pressure situation in Detroit and playing way over his head with significant luck. Now he is in a pennant race and struggling mightily. Melancon has been very good so far and might be their closer moving forward by default if Greene continues to struggle. Greene has given up 2 more earned runs in 4.1 IP with Atlanta than he did in 38 IP with Detroit.

Mets apparently  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2019 11:24 am : link
calling up Tejada over Herrera.

I would have preferred Herrera just for the versatility and OPS potential.

RE: Mets apparently  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14530076 pjcas18 said:
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calling up Tejada over Herrera.

I would have preferred Herrera just for the versatility and OPS potential.


Herrera is k'ing 27% of the time in AAA and hitting .250 (both numbers better than his career numbers at the MLB level). He walks less than Tejada too, so really his only advantage is the occasional long ball.

I doubt either will do much and I'd prefer Guillorme getting starts over both by a very healthy margin, but for a bench role I actually agree with Tejada > Herrera. While his .330 BA is likely the product of an unusually high BABIP he's got the better contact skills and we know he can take professional at bats. And maybe, just maybe, he's improved a little bit in the power department now that he's 29 years old and likely a little stronger than he was a few years ago. His 6 homers this year are already the most he's ever posted in any season of his career going back to when he was a prospect. Also his highest slg% year.
RE: RE: ATL's BP has been a huge issue - they only added most of those guys  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14530036 Jay on the Island said:
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The Shane Greene trade has been as I feared thus far. He was playing in a no pressure situation in Detroit and playing way over his head with significant luck. Now he is in a pennant race and struggling mightily. Melancon has been very good so far and might be their closer moving forward by default if Greene continues to struggle. Greene has given up 2 more earned runs in 4.1 IP with Atlanta than he did in 38 IP with Detroit.


I'm surprised Greene has been this bad but also still a SSS. In a non-closer role I think he will eventually be a positive contributor, but he's definitely even more volatile than a typical reliever.
RE: RE: Mets apparently  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14530113 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14530076 pjcas18 said:


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calling up Tejada over Herrera.

I would have preferred Herrera just for the versatility and OPS potential.




Herrera is k'ing 27% of the time in AAA and hitting .250 (both numbers better than his career numbers at the MLB level). He walks less than Tejada too, so really his only advantage is the occasional long ball.

I doubt either will do much and I'd prefer Guillorme getting starts over both by a very healthy margin, but for a bench role I actually agree with Tejada > Herrera. While his .330 BA is likely the product of an unusually high BABIP he's got the better contact skills and we know he can take professional at bats. And maybe, just maybe, he's improved a little bit in the power department now that he's 29 years old and likely a little stronger than he was a few years ago. His 6 homers this year are already the most he's ever posted in any season of his career going back to when he was a prospect. Also his highest slg% year.


You need to keep in mind this player is replacement/insurance for McNeil so Guillorme is of little consequence.

Herrera IMO is the better fit for that.
also it's certainly disappointing to not have Kay/SWR in the system  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:54 am : link
but overall this year has gone well enough that they've avoided what could be a disastrous situation in terms of minor league pitching depth. Allen and Wolf from the draft was exactly what was needed and early returns are promising. Smith breaking out was again something that was needed considering the lack of depth. Peterson seeming righting the ship and progressing was needed. Szapucki coming back strong was needed. Santos doing well was needed.

Not nearly out of the woods by any means but the system is a lot less empty than any of us would have guessed at this time last year if we were told that Kay/Dunn/SWR were going to get traded and Kilome was going down to TJS. 9 months ago those were our top 4 pitching prospects.
RE: RE: RE: Mets apparently  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14530127 pjcas18 said:
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You need to keep in mind this player is replacement/insurance for McNeil so Guillorme is of little consequence.

Herrera IMO is the better fit for that.


Davis and Conforto will likely be the COF'ers every day so Lagares is going to be the main replacement for Mcneil until Nimmo is health (if ever). I'm a little surprised they didn't just call up Davis but perhaps they want to get him back into the swing of things since he's only played 5 games since getting healthy again.

Panik seems the most risk of losing time to whoever comes up until he starts hitting, but Guillorme should be the first guy up for that (over Tejada/Herrera). And if that happens Tejada is probably best suited to the role currently occupied by Guillorme.
McNeil to the DL  
Metnut : 8/14/2019 1:05 pm : link
They can't afford to swoon while he's gone.
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