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Dunedin81 : 8/14/2019 10:06 am
We haven't talked about this specifically in awhile so I figured I'd get a discussion going.

Luis Medina pitched 7 shutout innings, allowing just two hits and striking out 10. He has finally started to show the results that the stuff says he should be producing.

Josh Stowers is tearing the cover off the ball in August, hitting .391.

Josh Breaux was erroneously reported to be out for the season but he's back and had a big homerun the other day.

Ezequiel Duran hit his 11th HR for SI last night, not bad for a quick twitch middle IF.

3rd rounder Jake Sanford hit his 4th HR last night to walk SI off in extras.

Abreu came back last night and had a forgettable appearance, but he's off the IL so that's positive.

Luis Gil went on the IL with what was described as a minor injury.
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JP Feyereisen is having a very good season in Scranton  
Greg from LI : 8/14/2019 10:28 am : link
Not sure why they haven't given him a shot this year.

Where do you see them going with Kyle Holder? He's having his best year at the plate, albeit as a guy a bit overaged for Trenton. Trade chip?
He homered off Corey Kluber last night...  
Dunedin81 : 8/14/2019 10:32 am : link
quietly a breakout offensive season, obscured a bit by the fact that his early season numbers were so terrible. I was hoping they'd trade a couple of their upper-minors middle IF at the trade deadline, because guys like Holder, Park, and Katoh are all AAA-ready and keeping them down at AA or shuttling them back and forth isn't doing wonders for their trade value.
Wow, didn't see that  
Greg from LI : 8/14/2019 10:35 am : link
Considering how punchless he was his first few seasons, the bit of power he's shown this year is very nice, particularly considering that Trenton is a tough park for power.
He's hitting north of .300 these last 3 months...  
Dunedin81 : 8/14/2019 10:39 am : link
with an OPS+ of 120 and with a good K rate of around 15%. His offensive calling card is still going to be contact, but throwing in 10-15 HR and 30-35 2B power makes him a pretty complete player.
The Medina news is very exciting....  
Tesla : 8/14/2019 11:20 am : link
If he can ever learn to harness his stuff you could be taking about the next homegrown Yankees ace. Have to believe he's 100% going to be on the 40 man roster this offseason.
I mentioned this on Twitter...  
Dunedin81 : 8/14/2019 11:25 am : link
I wonder how much of the slow pace of promotions is logjam and how much is a revamped hitting development program. There have been so few promotions of hitters between full-season teams so far, only Isiah Gilliam really comes to mind, that it some point it starts to look like they're doing it on purpose. It's different from pitching promotions, which have been a lot more aggressive.
Dune...  
Tesla : 8/14/2019 11:29 am : link
You mentioned the new hitting development program. In of his chats Keith Law made sort of an offhand comment on how he thinks the Yankees are doing something with all of the AAAA players they are bringing into the org to turn them into such good hitters (i.e. Voit, Tacuhman, Urshela, maybe even Maybin). Any idea is there is any truth to this? Or what it could be?
I can't speak to AAA/majors...  
Dunedin81 : 8/14/2019 11:46 am : link
because I think that's handled a lot differently than the low minors. Where I know they've overhauled is in their organization-wide hitting development, and the personnel who man it. The linked piece is subscriber-only, but it talks about the offseason hire of Dillon Lawson to run the program. That's probably not what's driving the Urshelas and Tauchmans, it's more likely responsible for the Canaan Smiths and Ezequiel Durans.
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RE: He's hitting north of .300 these last 3 months...  
Nine-Tails : 8/14/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14530010 Dunedin81 said:
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with an OPS+ of 120 and with a good K rate of around 15%. His offensive calling card is still going to be contact, but throwing in 10-15 HR and 30-35 2B power makes him a pretty complete player.


Holy crap didnt even realize hes 25 already. But, hey fits the mold of our guys figuring it out in their mid to late twenties
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arcarsenal : 8/14/2019 1:09 pm : link
Good stuff, Dune.

The Medina line is very encouraging. Hopefully this is the start of him really putting things together.
To be honest, not many of the hitting prospects have outperformed  
Jim in Hoboken : 8/14/2019 9:00 pm : link
relative to expectation coming into the season. Canaan Smith has been a pleasant surprise. Ryder Green has done well, but probably not making enough contact to warrant a promotion.

Medina probably has the highest upset arm-wise, so it's good to see him turn the corner. But to go through an entire year and not find your control is certainly alarming. I do wonder why they have kept Nelson in AA for so long.
Roansy Contreras followed Medina's gem...  
Dunedin81 : 8/15/2019 8:34 am : link
with one of his own. 7 IP (85 pitches) 1 H 1 R 1 ER 0 BB 10 K - literally one bad pitch (a solo shot) away from 7 perfect innings.
RE: Roansy Contreras followed Medina's gem...  
Jay in Toronto : 8/15/2019 8:36 am : link
In comment 14530860 Dunedin81 said:
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with one of his own. 7 IP (85 pitches) 1 H 1 R 1 ER 0 BB 10 K - literally one bad pitch (a solo shot) away from 7 perfect innings.


Wow, that's quite a line!

Thanks
They have a cluster of pitchers...  
Dunedin81 : 8/15/2019 8:47 am : link
who have legit 1-3 stuff; Deivi, Medina, Gil, Abreu, Roansy, Nick Nelson, and Johnny Lasagna (Yoendrys Gomez is probably the most likely one to be in that convo next year). No guarantee any of them reaches that ceiling, not even a guarantee you get significant big-league help from any of them - build, health, consistency, distance from the bigs, each one has some sort of ding - but that collection of ceiling is exceedingly impressive.
RE: They have a cluster of pitchers...  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 8/15/2019 9:18 am : link
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who have legit 1-3 stuff; Deivi, Medina, Gil, Abreu, Roansy, Nick Nelson, and Johnny Lasagna (Yoendrys Gomez is probably the most likely one to be in that convo next year). No guarantee any of them reaches that ceiling, not even a guarantee you get significant big-league help from any of them - build, health, consistency, distance from the bigs, each one has some sort of ding - but that collection of ceiling is exceedingly impressive.


Thanks Dune..

What about this Miguel Yajure SP. I know he's Rule 5 eligible this year, and he's all the way down in Tampa, but he's having a dynamite season down there. 2.04 ERA with 110 K's in 114 innings with only 27 walks. He's only 21 years old. Can you see him being one of those surprise candidates added to the 40 man for protection, much like Lasagna was?
Yajure is more of a pitchability guy...  
Dunedin81 : 8/15/2019 9:25 am : link
The stuff isn't bad, he certainly has MLB upside, but he's low 90's with the FB and his breaking ball and curve are more average to above average than plus. Maybe the velocity or the stuff will tick up going forward, but a 4-5 projection is more reasonable for him.
Because he's more of a pitchability guy though...  
Dunedin81 : 8/15/2019 9:26 am : link
I would be surprised to see him taken in the Rule 5. If they're plucking someone off an A Ball roster, they want dominant stuff (ala Medina). They might grab a pitchability guy from AAA (Cortes and Camarena were both picked, IIRC) but not Tampa.
RE: To be honest, not many of the hitting prospects have outperformed  
Dunedin81 : 8/15/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14530618 Jim in Hoboken said:
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relative to expectation coming into the season. Canaan Smith has been a pleasant surprise. Ryder Green has done well, but probably not making enough contact to warrant a promotion.

Medina probably has the highest upset arm-wise, so it's good to see him turn the corner. But to go through an entire year and not find your control is certainly alarming. I do wonder why they have kept Nelson in AA for so long.


Ezequiel Duran has been a breakout hitter this year too. OPSing .878 as a 20 year old at SI, hitting the ball with authority (11 HRs on the season), stealing bases (8/11 so far), and with a K rate that has declined as the season has worn on, very impressive.
Duran  
JPinstripes : 8/15/2019 2:46 pm : link
looks very similar to Torres as a hitting prospect with excellent balance, hands, and power generated from his lower half. His body type is the same as Gleyber at age 20, but Duran needs more upper body strength and mass which will develop over the next few years. The kids got it. Oh, did I mention they both wear #25...
I'm not sure Duran is quite in that weight class...  
Dunedin81 : 8/15/2019 3:01 pm : link
And Torres hit full-season at 18, while Duran will be 21. Duran hit as many HRs in <200 ABs as Torres did any year of his minor league career (he had 11 as an 18 year old in 487 ABs). Duran has more swing and miss in his game, though his K rate is trending in the right direction, and Gleyber was a natural SS. Duran is an impressive prospect, but he's not on Gleyber's level.
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arcarsenal : 8/15/2019 3:14 pm : link
Not quite minors related, but this was a nice update...

Jon Morosi
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Busy afternoon in the Yankee Stadium bullpen: Dellin Betances threw off the mound, and now Luis Severino is about to do the same. @MLB @MLBNetwork
Jack Curry just tweeted  
bigbluehoya : 8/15/2019 3:16 pm : link
that he watched Severino's bullpen, albeit from afar, and said it really looked like he was letting it fly and not really holding it back.

Getting over one's skis with optimism always ends in disappointment on these pitcher injury recoveries, but it's nice to hear...
Jake Sanford and Josh Smith have each homered for SI...  
Dunedin81 : 8/15/2019 3:21 pm : link
this afternoon.

Sanford has had an up and down season, which is unsurprising because he's coming out of the CUSA and has a very limited track record of facing elite competition.

Josh Smith has been destroying the NYP, which is also unsurprising as he had three years in the SEC.
RE: Jake Sanford and Josh Smith have each homered for SI...  
JPinstripes : 8/15/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14531370 Dunedin81 said:
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this afternoon.

Sanford has had an up and down season, which is unsurprising because he's coming out of the CUSA and has a very limited track record of facing elite competition.

Josh Smith has been destroying the NYP, which is also unsurprising as he had three years in the SEC.


Josh Smith is one of my favorite NYY prospects, the kid can flat out hit from the left side, has a good glove and can run.
Nice look at Clarke Schmidt...  
Dunedin81 : 8/16/2019 1:06 pm : link
who was just promoted to Trenton.
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I am thinking Schmidt is Chance Adams II until proven otherwise.  
Jim in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 2:19 pm : link
What’s interesting is the DBacks wanted Frazier and Schimdt AND two more prospects for freaking Robbie Ray?

Seriously, talk about Yankees tax. There was a story about Cash being held at gun point, this is worse.
RE: I am thinking Schmidt is Chance Adams II until proven otherwise.  
RasputinPrime : 8/16/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14532238 Jim in Hoboken said:
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What’s interesting is the DBacks wanted Frazier and Schimdt AND two more prospects for freaking Robbie Ray?

Seriously, talk about Yankees tax. There was a story about Cash being held at gun point, this is worse.


I get that read as well but it is so incredibly hard to judge until they hit the bit lights. I'll just hope he has a little better stuff and better command. I'm shocked at how bad Adams have been actually.
Domingo Acevedo  
arniefez : 8/16/2019 2:52 pm : link
being called up today?
They called up Dull...  
Dunedin81 : 8/16/2019 2:56 pm : link
the guy they just claimed off waivers. I think Acevedo is still dinged up.
Thanks  
arniefez : 8/16/2019 2:59 pm : link
Acevedo and Abreu are going to be never wases at this point.
Schmidt is better than Adams...  
Dunedin81 : 8/16/2019 3:02 pm : link
he was a better prospect on draft day and he has a higher ceiling now. Adams had a good FB but his secondaries were (and are) meh. Schmidt has three offerings that could ultimately profile as above average to plus. Adams hasn't come back completely from elbow surgery and was a better prospect a couple years ago, but even so Schmidt was and is a higher-ceiling arm.
Abreu is back in action...  
Dunedin81 : 8/16/2019 3:05 pm : link
not unlike Justus Sheffield the results have yet to match the stuff. Who knows, maybe they never will.

Acevedo is fine. His development was delayed because they wanted it to work as a starter, but it hasn't. As he is now he's probably big-league ready when healthy, and probably would have come up in the last ten days as part of the carousel.
Adams was a college reliever  
Phil in LA : 8/16/2019 4:02 pm : link
Clarke was 4 pitch starter. No similarly at all.
Thread about just how good Canaan Smith has been this year  
Dunedin81 : 8/19/2019 9:56 am : link
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A nice look at Luis Medina...  
Dunedin81 : 8/19/2019 10:13 am : link
who was just bumped up to Tampa.
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Nelson got promoted too.  
Jim in Hoboken : 8/19/2019 10:24 am : link
The minors will be more interesting to follow.

What do you think of the struggles of Pereira, Cabello, and is Salinas even playing?
Salinas is back in action and doing respectably well...  
Dunedin81 : 8/19/2019 10:35 am : link
.774 OPS on the season in the GCL.

Pereira has been hurt and was struggling before he was hurt. Maybe the biggest disappointment in short season this year.

Cabello has hit a lot better of late. .300 over his last 10 games, .813 OPS this month.

Ryder Green has been having a nice season. Hit his 8th HR and stole his 9th bag yesterday, OPSing .817.

I like the Nelson promotion, I would just caution (as with Deivi) against getting too worked up about the first few starts. It's a different ball in AAA, and a fly ball pitcher like Nelson who isn't used to giving up the longball is going to have an adjustment period as he figures out that warning track fly balls in AA are going to land ten rows deep in Scranton.
What happened to Anthony Seigler  
arniefez : 8/19/2019 10:46 am : link
Has he been hurt? Only 30 games and horrible numbers?
Yeah he's hurt...  
Dunedin81 : 8/19/2019 10:47 am : link
fractured patella, I think a foul ball.
Kyle Holder was hitting sub-Mendoza into May...  
Dunedin81 : 8/19/2019 11:08 am : link
now his .280 BA is 6th and his .781 OPS is 7th in the Eastern League. And he's still one of the best gloves in MILB.
RE: Kyle Holder was hitting sub-Mendoza into May...  
rich in DC : 8/19/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14535726 Dunedin81 said:
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now his .280 BA is 6th and his .781 OPS is 7th in the Eastern League. And he's still one of the best gloves in MILB.


The power is beginning to show up as well- now up to 9 HR, with 25 2B. All that while demonstrating an excellent idea of the strike zone- in 371 ABs, he has a career high 34 walks with only 56 Ks.

Remember that one of those HR came off Indians ace Kluber in one of his rehab starts.
As with Canaan Smith...  
Dunedin81 : 8/19/2019 11:24 am : link
the performance is great, but each has demonstrated that he needs to be at a higher level to be challenged.
RE: Nelson got promoted too.  
rich in DC : 8/19/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14535634 Jim in Hoboken said:
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The minors will be more interesting to follow.

What do you think of the struggles of Pereira, Cabello, and is Salinas even playing?


Don't sleep on Nelson being a potential rotation option in 2020. No one has ever questioned his stuff- top of the line pitches. The question was more of command and the ability to work deeper into games.

He was interesting in that he was a 2-way player when drafted, so he needed more development time on the mound. He did get up to over 120 IP last year, so he could easily be asked to throw 150+ in 2020.
RE: As with Canaan Smith...  
rich in DC : 8/19/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14535747 Dunedin81 said:
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the performance is great, but each has demonstrated that he needs to be at a higher level to be challenged.


It is interesting that the Yanks have not been as aggressive in their promotions of prospects as they have been in past seasons- especially with the hitters.

It also seems to me that many of the pitchers really took steps forward this season, but only a handful of hitters really stood out.
Nelson has 3 good pitches  
JPinstripes : 8/19/2019 11:36 am : link
and tops out at 98. A former 4th round draft pick of NYY will definitely be on the 40 man roster before the Rule 5 draft later this year.
I agree with the first part...  
Dunedin81 : 8/19/2019 11:39 am : link
but disagree with the second. A LOT of hitting improvements in full-season ball, and not a lot of disappointments (Brandon Wagner is the one that jumps out). Holder, Katoh, Park, Gittens, the Tampa OF, Lockridge and Stowers...these aren't stud prospects for the most part, but these are the sort of guys who fizzled in the past. Now a lot of them are taking steps forward, such that you could see them as big leaguers.

Pitching has had more disappointments, a lot of them injury-related.
Speaking of Salinas...  
Dunedin81 : 8/19/2019 2:21 pm : link
he was pulled after a HBP today. Hopefully nothing big.
Patellar fracture can't be good for a catcher.  
Jim in Hoboken : 8/19/2019 7:31 pm : link
Going back to Schmidt, he and Adams are similar body-wise. Knowing what we know about Adams now, obviously the comparison isn't great for Schmidt. But Adams put up far better stats and was two levels ahead at the same age.

Schmidt was recovering from TJS, so I'll cut him some slack for that, but I don't think he was ever profiled as anything more than a 3rd or 4th starter.
RE: Kyle Holder was hitting sub-Mendoza into May...  
Hsilwek92 : 8/19/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14535726 Dunedin81 said:
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now his .280 BA is 6th and his .781 OPS is 7th in the Eastern League. And he's still one of the best gloves in MILB.


Still don’t see him as anything other than a bench piece or a trade chip. I also still don’t like the pick. At least he’s turned out better than that Dante Bichette Jr. What a waste.
RE: Patellar fracture can't be good for a catcher.  
JPinstripes : 8/20/2019 1:38 am : link
In comment 14536257 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Going back to Schmidt, he and Adams are similar body-wise. Knowing what we know about Adams now, obviously the comparison isn't great for Schmidt. But Adams put up far better stats and was two levels ahead at the same age.

Schmidt was recovering from TJS, so I'll cut him some slack for that, but I don't think he was ever profiled as anything more than a 3rd or 4th starter.


This is a lazy take Jim... Schmidt's stuff is some of the best of all Yankees prospects featuring a 2 seam FB that sits 95/96 with rise and command to both sides of the plate to go along with 2 plus off speed pitches in the change and curve.

The kid just needs innings and to stay healthy, but he is extremely talented and nothing similar to Adams - zero zilch nada.
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