Mets Lineup
Amed Rosario SS
J.D. Davis LF
Pete Alonso 1B
Wilson Ramos C
Michael Conforto RF
Todd Frazier 3B
Ruben Tejada 2B
Juan Lagares CF
Steven Matz P
Braves Lineup
Ronald Acuna Jr. RF
Ozzie Albies 2B
Freddie Freeman 1B
Josh Donaldson 3B
Adam Duvall LF
Johan Camargo SS
Ender Inciarte CF
Tyler Flowers C
Dallas Keuchel P
Ugly lineup. Hope for the best! LFGM!
8:30.
Davis, Alonso and Conforto are gonna have to pick it up with McNeil out.
Or he could bunt.
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Needs to be a hero about now
Or he could bunt.
sigh
Don't they know it because of the numbers? Aaaaaanyway
Jinx
Oh well, well waste yet another season (inexplicably) but at least it will spare us from having to keep Mickey Mouse as the manager. We can then look forward to Jeff Wilpon hiring his favorite barista to captain the team. Extra whip, of course.
But they have been solid / smooth overall in the field these 2 games
Is it possible for Freddie Freeman to NOT be perfect in every way against the Mets? Fuckin guy is a nightmare opponent
God to think they had us fooled for a few weeks. Mother fuckers.
Too often, too soon
Ronnie's Lugo comment, if that's accurate, that's idiotic. If they have a lead Lugo's in, period. Shit use of pen, but par for the Mick
IT'S THE 7TH GOD DAMN INNING. MATZ HAD 79 PITCHES AND WAS CRUISING. LUGO WASN'T GOING TO PITCH 3 INNINGS.
(sorry for the caps, this is literally Mickey's stupidest decision of the year - and that's saying something)
Can't blame Mick for Lugo sucking this bad, but again, why take the SP out (almost always your better pitcher that game) who's rolling w/ momentum just to SEE if your BP arm is on or not?
And of course, why was he hitting last inning...but that's too many variables for Mick
And then Mets D again
What a joke.
Lugo isn't likely to be perfect every game but WTF, lets keep him in while he's off?
I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.
Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real
Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear
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This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?
I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.
Dont disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had.
Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season.
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This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?
I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.
Dont disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had.
Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season.
Terry was competent. He wasn't great but he wasn't as awful as the results he had early on when they had no talent. Mickey is incompetent and BVW keeping him was pure insanity.
But good news, Avilan is in against a righty with men on.
The guy literally almost blew all 3 games against Washington with his decisions in the BP. Frazier's homer saved him.
Matz is out there competing his ass off. Battled through a tough 2nd inning and really settled into a groove. His pitch count was low and he was headed into the lower half of the Braves lineup.
Taking him out is not what competition is about. Totally disheartening and a bunch of bullshit.
This one is a bitter pill to swallow.
Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real
Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear
Well, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Plenty were buying into it. As has been the entire season, this team is going to underperform against real baseball teams the remainder of the season. They shouldnt, but they will. Poor leadership destroys good baseball teams.
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TBH, many saw this same shit during the W streak and said how that still needed to change if they have a legit shot, esp vs good teams
The guy literally almost blew all 3 games against Washington with his decisions in the BP. Frazier's homer saved him.
Worse, I'm even talking about the Ws vs shit teams. They won despite the Mick in many of those too
Obv when you are a weak team, a streak like that isn't nothing. But it ain't a whole lot when on it's own
And there's still a ton of time, but I hate when the main 'pro' is "there's time" vs improvements in play or strategy
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In comment 14530695 PhiPsi125 said:
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This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?
I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.
Dont disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had.
Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season.
Terry was competent. He wasn't great but he wasn't as awful as the results he had early on when they had no talent. Mickey is incompetent and BVW keeping him was pure insanity.
But good news, Avilan is in against a righty with men on.
I know you like to defend Terry but he was bad. And had a long history of being bad. Yes, he didnt have good talent in the beginning but when he did have it he was bad. 2015 was great and all (from August forward) but it was smoke and mirrors. But its cool, we can agree to disagree.
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anyone who was "buying" after that run was incorrect. Way too soon. There were many saying we had to wait and see for THIS stretch
Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real
Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear
Well, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Plenty were buying into it. As has been the entire season, this team is going to underperform against real baseball teams the remainder of the season. They shouldnt, but they will. Poor leadership destroys good baseball teams.
Didn't say people weren't. I'm saying that take was incorrect / clearly preemptive and there were those who weren't just buying beating Pit or Mia. It's fine to get excited of course - that's the fun - but I know I wasn't saying a whole lot different than wait-and-see, and there were some others too...
Enjoyed it while it was happening tho
And at least this time, Greene does not disappoint.
If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.
If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.
The fact that Terry Collins was better than The Mick is a reflection on Mickey, not Terry. Collins was OK - Mickey is terrible
Agreed! I think - At this point Familia should be given closer duties until he disappoints.
The Mick can't think that far ahead. Unless it makes no sense (he'll have some answer for pulling Matz)
Once again, doing nothing would have been better than doing Mick things. LEAVE YOUR SP IN WHEN HE'S ROLLING ON LOW PC. It's not just easier but pretty 101 level stuff. Well if you insist on ignoring common sense anyway
And he does!
If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.
Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess its better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong.
But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF
Oh wait, Tejada, Lagares THEN Altherr. Buzzsaw
So still lose you mean?
I kid I kid
But not
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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.
If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.
Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess its better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong.
But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF
I just think it's bizarre to bring Terry Collins into a discussion about Callaway's incompetence, especially at this moment. Name the last Met manager you'd prefer to Terry Collins.
In your face!!!!
(...I said the same thing pre AB)
You know it's bad for someone in the mets org when Z is taking jabs. Nice to see you join the dark side for once.
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Isnt up right now...
You know it's bad for someone in the mets org when Z is taking jabs. Nice to see you join the dark side for once.
Ive always been against Mickey. And Terry before that really. Im sure Phi or somebody will back me up on that...
(hint hint, kid. Doooo it)
as Ronnie just said
Elevation of the sphere please
Conforto up
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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.
If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.
Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess its better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong.
But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF
I just think it's bizarre to bring Terry Collins into a discussion about Callaway's incompetence, especially at this moment. Name the last Met manager you'd prefer to Terry Collins.
Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.
The shame is losing a terrific start from Matz who can be great and can be normal - today he was great and it was wasted
Pulling Matz was stupid. That was at least 1 extra inning for the BP that they didn't need to carry.
Putting Lugo in the 7th was stupid. He's our best reliever. Why put him in then? Sticking with Lugo for almost 30 pitches when he didn't have it was also dumb because now he's burned for tomorrow.
Putting Avilan in with men on base against a righty was stupid.
Putting Familia in down 4 with Lugo burned for tomorrow was stupid.
Mickey Callaway...yesterday's dumb decisions are tomorrow's excuses for losses.
He looked really good and efficient. Even had a couple of hits. You seriously pull him because of one guy at 79 pitches? Donaldson? If that was the plan why let him bat then? Dont tell me Mickey knew Matz would get a hit. And I dont get changing to another pitcher only because we had the lead. It was a one run game either way with 3 innings left. Should have been playing our best players either way.
Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.
It wasn't a bat signal / I didn't just swoop in to attack your comment from left field - you made the comment in direct reply to a post i made (which was in response to a post you made). I wasn't looking to put Terry up on some pedestal, I just think there's no comparison between his shortcomings and Callaway's. If Terry was still the manager we'd have probably won this game tonight so I found it odd timing to criticize him. That's not a huge compliment of Terry either, you could have randomly named a zoo animal manager tonight and they would have probably kept Matz in the game.
@AnthonyDiComo
Steven Matz was not injured. Mickey Callaway made the move to take out Matz at 79 pitches "because we had the best reliever in baseball sitting down there."
"I'll make that move 100 times out of 100," Callaway said. "That's the right move, in my mind."
glad we cleared that up.
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Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.
It wasn't a bat signal / I didn't just swoop in to attack your comment from left field - you made the comment in direct reply to a post i made (which was in response to a post you made). I wasn't looking to put Terry up on some pedestal, I just think there's no comparison between his shortcomings and Callaway's. If Terry was still the manager we'd have probably won this game tonight so I found it odd timing to criticize him. That's not a huge compliment of Terry either, you could have randomly named a zoo animal manager tonight and they would have probably kept Matz in the game.
Fine, whatever. It was a throwaway comment about the horrible managers the Mets employ. I didnt even say TCs name. It didnt even have anything to do with your post (that I was agreeing with). For some reason you took it as an opportunity to make it a conversation about defending TC. Again, not the first time.
And, no...I don't believe for a second that we would have won this game if Collins was still the manager. Because he was horrible 😁
so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team
The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion
My biggest issue with Callaway's move to Lugo so early is him saying afterward, "If Lugo throws two scoreless innings, we win the game." Um, what about the 9th? Bottom line, I'd rather have Matz, the way he was going, for the 7th than Diaz or Wilson for the 9th.
so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team
The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion
Except that shifted Rosario to LF in possibly a tie game?? Not sure about that. Should have just started the real player in Panik over AAAA Tejada crap from the beginning.
The fact that Mickey says he'd do it 100 times out of 100 shows the problem in such clear terms I would honestly fire him tonight. That's not hyperbole. He made an indefensible decision and is doubling down with an indefensible statement, so it's indefensible to let that man make decisions if you want to see your team win games. Period. End of story.
Seriously, are we just supposed to wait to see him make that same decision the next 99 times before arriving at the conclusion that he lost this game for his team tonight? I will bet right now he walks back his asinine statement tomorrow.
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is he PH'd Panik for Altherr
so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team
The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion
Except that shifted Rosario to LF in possibly a tie game?? Not sure about that. Should have just started the real player in Panik over AAAA Tejada crap from the beginning.
Yup - or god forbid give Guillorme a freaking chance - he's only gotten 2 big hits in the last 3 at bats.
1) Matz had retired 14 straight
2) Matz was allowed to bat in top of 7th, then pulled
3) Callaway had no good definitive plan for 9th even if Lugo threw 2 scoreless. Not good."
Like I said above - I'd bet a lot of money Callaway walks back his dumbfuck "100x out of 100" tomorrow. He is like a worse version of Ben Mcadoo.
As that move would have lead to a first timer in the OF, I take it back!
@AnthonyDiComo
Steven Matz was not injured. Mickey Callaway made the move to take out Matz at 79 pitches "because we had the best reliever in baseball sitting down there."
"I'll make that move 100 times out of 100," Callaway said. "That's the right move, in my mind."
glad we cleared that up.
Mickey is childish. Admit you made a mistake and move on
It's an inexplicable decision.
Maybe it's just the new thought process in baseball, I dunno. It's fucking criminal to take out Matz there. It's a non-competitive move, managing not to lose, all of the above. The logic that he produced a few loud outs in the 6th shouldn't matter. Not to mention that was the teeth of the order. In the 7th he was going to face Donaldson and then a break in the lineup.
What do you have a starting pitcher for? What do you have pitch counts for? Such a weak move.
not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)
But once the Mets grabbed that lead, manager Mickey Callaway decided to go with Seth Lugo in the seventh inning rather than the cruising Matz. That went somewhat against what Callaway had suggested over the weekend, when he said his primary blueprint would be to use the right-hander for the final three to six outs with a lead.
Were more inclined to save him for the eighth and maybe pitch him in the eighth and ninth, he said Sunday of Lugo. There will be times when I dont feel like we can get there and hell pitch some in the seventh maybe get an out in the seventh and pitch the eighth and well figure out the ninth. Its not easy, just like every decision.
It's just amazing to me that a 1 run lead changed Mickey's entire thought process so instantly. Who doesn't love a boss who says one thing about your role and then asks the exact opposite of you on short notice?
If it were the 9th inning I'd understand but it was the 7th damn inning. What the hell was the rush to get Matz out of the game? He had just gone through the heart of Atlanta's lineup (Acuna/Albies/Freeman). Get Lugo working if you must and give Matz Donaldson. Even in a worst case scenario he gives up a homer, it's a tie game in the 7th, and you bring in Lugo (or another reliever) against the bottom of the lineup with nobody on base and more time to get warm.
The only thing bringing in Lugo in that spot did was guarantee you wouldn't have him to pitch against Acuna/Albies/Freeman the next time they came up.
Examining Mickey Callaways seventh-inning decision to pull Steven Matz for Seth Lugo - ( New Window )
@mikemayerMMO
1h
Mets with two prospects in the Top 100:
#60 Ronny Mauricio
#69 Andres Gimenez
(Kelenic at #31, Dunn at #99)
not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)
The WC run isn't over any more than it was for the Nats heading into Sunday vs. JDG - after losing 2 heartbreakers late. They gritted out a win against our BP despite Soto getting hurt, stopped the bleeding, and then turned the page against Cincy winning 3 straight.
The problem (I see your captain obvious and raise you) is that Callaway continues to show almost every night he is outclassed in anything resembling a tight game. Yesterday could have been a rallying point behind a great effort from Matz and instead it turns into a heartbreaker. BVW has done a lot of in-season maneuvering, recently most of it was helpful, how he handles the leadership crisis behind the scenes will determine what happens the rest of the year. I believe we are going to hear a different tune from Mickey today than he had last night and he's going to acknowledge he made a mistake. Not because I think he believes it or is actually learning from his mistakes, but because I think BVW is going to make him do it bc he knows it's the right thing to do if he doesn't want to lose the clubhouse.
@mikemayerMMO
1h
Mets with two prospects in the Top 100:
#60 Ronny Mauricio
#69 Andres Gimenez
(Kelenic at #31, Dunn at #99)
I feel like new/updated top 100 lists come out almost every week now.
Agree, but Preston Wilson has a point about common courtesy among athletes - you read about it all the time in many sports:
@PrestonWilson44
15h
When Biggio was injured as a result of my slide the first thing I did after the game was call their clubhouse to check on him and talk to him about it. Call it professional courtesy or just human decency. You should at least reach out to show you care. It could be you one day.
@ernestdove
1m
Sources have told myself along with @mikemayerMMO
of @MetsMerized
@Mets_Minors
that Mets top 10 prospect Mark Vientos is being rested as a precaution with a minor injury. Vientos hasnt appeared in a game since 8/12 & team has added an infielder to roster.
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Utley/Tejada stuff is such BS and Tejada added fuel to the fire.
Agree, but Preston Wilson has a point about common courtesy among athletes - you read about it all the time in many sports:
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Preston Wilson
@PrestonWilson44
15h
When Biggio was injured as a result of my slide the first thing I did after the game was call their clubhouse to check on him and talk to him about it. Call it professional courtesy or just human decency. You should at least reach out to show you care. It could be you one day.
I like Preston Wilson but he's off here. Utley DID reach out through Wright AND sent him a bottle of tequila.
Can't be man enough to do it yourself?
It is what is wrong with so much of sports "analysis", they try so hard to go against the grain that they make insupportable arguments.
Pretty innocuous stuff. Just seemed like he was just answering a question. He hasn't spoken to him.
They created a new rule due to Utley's slide, btw.
not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)
Too bad Mets arent in the AL....almost one third of those teams are gimmes so it is much easier to rattle off 10 in a row there. Just play Orioles, Tigers, Seattle, or KC (blue jays are improving) and you dont even have to bring your A team and you have 14 in a row.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Callaway: I bet 85 percent of our decisions go against the analytics. And that is how its always going to be, because that is just on paper. It doesnt take into account the person is a human being, how he performs in these big spots, all these things a manager looks at.
6:13 PM Aug 15, 2019Twitter Web App
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Callaway: I bet 85 percent of our decisions go against the analytics. And that is how its always going to be, because that is just on paper. It doesnt take into account the person is a human being, how he performs in these big spots, all these things a manager looks at.
6:13 PM Aug 15, 2019Twitter Web App
Mickey literally never looks at those things. Never.
We've come full circle.
Loved this:
Matt Ehalt
@MattEhalt
1m
Is it too early to pull Stroman for Lugo?
LOL
Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
4m
Most home runs in a players first 120 career games:
Mark McGwire: 40
Pete Alonso: 39
Cody Bellinger: 38
#Mets #LGM
@NYPost_Mets
Callaway: I bet 85 percent of our decisions go against the analytics. And that is how its always going to be, because that is just on paper. It doesnt take into account the person is a human being, how he performs in these big spots, all these things a manager looks at.
6:13 PM Aug 15, 2019Twitter Web App
Man Mick is a fucking idiot. Yes, analytics in the specific moment are just a piece of the puzzle. But "does't take into account" shit - yeah it does, it includes EVERY AB, during which his personal situations apply each time...
Now you can't glean that from the numbers, we know that. Which is why YOU LEAVE MATZ IN WHEN HE'S KILLING IT...even when his overall ERA is higher than Lugo's or R bats are coming up or a statistical decline 3rd time through / late game...you know, like you did 2 starts ago with him in his CG (derp)
Seriously, even pro mgrs don't understand how to use stats most times it seems
Also, Dilson Herrera 2 HR's today. Mets made the wrong call with Tejada IMO.
wouldn't matter tonight, Panik on base twice.
Stroman just needs to be ok and get through 6, hopefully not get complacent - Braves O can score in bunches.
Also, Dilson Herrera 2 HR's today. Mets made the wrong call with Tejada IMO.
wouldn't matter tonight, Panik on base twice.
Rueben looked like he didn't belong out there. Hope that changes.
7 feels like not enough already...
And Rosario a HR away from the cycle too, Lagares 3 hits for the 2nd game in 3 i believe
Rosario w/ another hit tho...5 hits
No ground on phils but the cubs and cards we gain on with a win.
John Franco, Jesse Orosco, Roger McDowell, Jeff Innis, Turk Wendell could do better in 2019.
Heck where is Colon or RA Dickey?
Better than the black holes we seen...as related really nice to see Lagares bump a bit. Would be huge if he can give us something on O, if not just spd on the bags
Alonso seems like a guy who says to the team, f*ck this, I got this tonight and puts the team on his back when its needed most, like last night.
During the rain delay the other night I was watching the pre-game and it was an interview with Gelbs and Randazzo with Alonso, it was really interesting. Alonsos high school said he would never be a college ball player, he was doubted through college and the minors, and you can tell that drives him. He also had some choice words for the scouts who shat on him in the minors about his defense.