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NFT: Mets at Braves Game 2: Matz

ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 7:04 pm
Mets Lineup

Amed Rosario SS
J.D. Davis LF
Pete Alonso 1B
Wilson Ramos C
Michael Conforto RF
Todd Frazier 3B
Ruben Tejada 2B
Juan Lagares CF
Steven Matz P

Braves Lineup

Ronald Acuna Jr. RF
Ozzie Albies 2B
Freddie Freeman 1B
Josh Donaldson 3B
Adam Duvall LF
Johan Camargo SS
Ender Inciarte CF
Tyler Flowers C
Dallas Keuchel P

Ugly lineup. Hope for the best! LFGM!
any updated start time?  
Rob in Rockaway : 8/14/2019 7:14 pm : link
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RE: any updated start time?  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14530559 Rob in Rockaway said:
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8:30.
Keuchel hasn't been good lately, maybe they get to him  
schabadoo : 8/14/2019 8:07 pm : link
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Flowers  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 8:42 pm : link
taking notes from Ramos behind the plate
It's always nice to see Matz come away with a good first inning  
Ira : 8/14/2019 8:50 pm : link
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Sup Ruben  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 8:53 pm : link
!!!
This will be the game Keuchel  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 8:56 pm : link
Puts it together and goes on a run for the rest of the season.... lol
Ugh. Defense.  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 9:12 pm : link
Still might get out just 1-0 tho...
Matz looking really good  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 9:58 pm : link
need to get a few runs for him.
Of course Matz is looking friggen great  
Chris684 : 8/14/2019 9:59 pm : link
and we cant buy an extra base hit.

Davis, Alonso and Conforto are gonna have to pick it up with McNeil out.

JD Davis really hits the ball hard  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:03 pm : link
big inning here, gotta make Keuchel work to get to their BP asap.
1st & 2nd no outs...rally time  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:05 pm : link
tho iirc this same situation came up yesterday to no avail. Either way 3rd time through for DK and or their BP coming up...
And Ramos ruins it  
Mike in NY : 8/14/2019 10:08 pm : link
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Mr Conforto  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 10:08 pm : link
Needs to be a hero about now
RE: Mr Conforto  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14530651 Gmanfandan said:
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Needs to be a hero about now

Or he could bunt.
RE: RE: Mr Conforto  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14530652 ChaChing said:
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Needs to be a hero about now


Or he could bunt.


sigh
Not that I understand Conforto trying to bunt there  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 10:10 pm : link
but the next time any Met player is able to lay down an actual bunt would be the first fucking time.
Double play there  
Metnut : 8/14/2019 10:11 pm : link
is a real killer. 3-1 pitch vs a lefty too.
nice eye by Conforto there  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:11 pm : link
big AB for toddfather.
Come on Frazier  
Chris684 : 8/14/2019 10:12 pm : link
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Keuchel's last inning for sure  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 10:12 pm : link
Would be nice for Todd to do something dramatic (in a good way)
DK's high ERA, per Gary Apple:  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:13 pm : link
"...it's not the just the numbers saying it...even THEY know it"

Don't they know it because of the numbers? Aaaaaanyway
high late game ERA  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:14 pm : link
that is
FFF  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 10:15 pm : link
And you should know what that means
fucking freddie freeman  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:15 pm : link
hate that guy.
RE: fucking freddie freeman  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14530662 Eric on Li said:
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hate that guy.


Jinx
Braves D very good  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:15 pm : link
I dunno the stats, but they are making every play. Donaldson, Albies, Freeman just off the top of my head these last couple. Surely there were more
This team is just a perennial disappointment  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 10:16 pm : link
Not that they fooled me into thinking they had a chance to be a competitive team. That winning streak against really bad teams was just a dick tease.

Oh well, well waste yet another season (inexplicably) but at least it will spare us from having to keep Mickey Mouse as the manager. We can then look forward to Jeff Wilpon hiring his favorite barista to captain the team. Extra whip, of course.
Of course that's a bit hyperbole  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:17 pm : link
if only because Rosario and maybe 1-2 others got hard IF hits off gloves...

But they have been solid / smooth overall in the field these 2 games
We squander 1st and 2nd no outs  
Chris684 : 8/14/2019 10:17 pm : link
And now like clockwork the Braves will tack on.

Is it possible for Freddie Freeman to NOT be perfect in every way against the Mets? Fuckin guy is a nightmare opponent
Freddie Freeman Daniel Murphy Chipper Jones chase Utley  
giantsFC : 8/14/2019 10:27 pm : link
Doesnt matter. The Mets just suck more often than not and a player always gets to them. They may be the worst franchise in baseball for having players be their daddy.

God to think they had us fooled for a few weeks. Mother fuckers.
I was complimenting Atl's D  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:32 pm : link
but Camargo not so much thankfully
JD!!!!!  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:33 pm : link
2-1 NYM. Wow non-HR runs!
That works  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 10:34 pm : link
I do like JD in the 2 hole
Finally a break.  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 10:34 pm : link
Matz doing it all tonight.
All work done  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:34 pm : link
w/ 2 outs, starting w/ Matz
Huge huge huge  
Metnut : 8/14/2019 10:38 pm : link
pen has to hold here!!
wtf is wrong with Mickey - why is he taking Matz out at 79 pitches?  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:40 pm : link
what am I missing?
Overmanaging..  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 10:42 pm : link
Should have left Matz in.. Davis too for that matter.
RE: wtf is wrong with Mickey - why is he taking Matz out at 79 pitches?  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14530681 Eric on Li said:
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what am I missing?

So you hit Matz with 2 outs  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 10:44 pm : link
And you don't let him pitch? Mickey? Really?
Lets fix what ain't broken  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:45 pm : link
and once again take out a pitcher WAY too soon

Too often, too soon

Ronnie's Lugo comment, if that's accurate, that's idiotic. If they have a lead Lugo's in, period. Shit use of pen, but par for the Mick
Mickey manages his BP into problems needlessly  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:46 pm : link
game after game after game. You know who was happiest to see Matz out of the game? Every Atlanta hitter. Even with Lugo coming out. Why? Because all that means is someone other than Lugo will in next inning. Or the inning after that. The biggest mistake BVW made this season - even bigger than Cano - was not firing this moron when he had the chance.
Fuck me  
Metnut : 8/14/2019 10:47 pm : link
Im not going to blame Mickey for bringing Lugo in with a one run lead but fuck this looks bad
seriously this fucking clown is so infuriating - one of the best games  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:48 pm : link
of the year ruined. If they lose this game is he going to have to make yet another public apology? I think he's already broken the all time record for most apologies in 1 year.
RE: Fuck me  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14530687 Metnut said:
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Im not going to blame Mickey for bringing Lugo in with a one run lead but fuck this looks bad


IT'S THE 7TH GOD DAMN INNING. MATZ HAD 79 PITCHES AND WAS CRUISING. LUGO WASN'T GOING TO PITCH 3 INNINGS.

(sorry for the caps, this is literally Mickey's stupidest decision of the year - and that's saying something)
Just one more blown save  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 10:49 pm : link
IF we miss the playoffs will be worth it to see Mickey take a hike
Mickey should be fired after this game  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:51 pm : link
and that's not a joke or an overreaction. This is out and out incompetence.
No worries  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:51 pm : link
we got Altherr in. That should help

Can't blame Mick for Lugo sucking this bad, but again, why take the SP out (almost always your better pitcher that game) who's rolling w/ momentum just to SEE if your BP arm is on or not?

And of course, why was he hitting last inning...but that's too many variables for Mick

And then Mets D again
Lol, why any of us fans bother anymore is beyond me.  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 10:52 pm : link
This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?
The hilarious thing is he let Matz bat  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 10:52 pm : link
before he removed him too. And then took out our hottest hitter in a one run game. YEESH.

What a joke.
And after pulling Matz too soon  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:53 pm : link
why are we just rolling w/ Lugo? Is no one up in the pen? ZERO OUTS in like 5-6 ABs? But just keep him out there?

Lugo isn't likely to be perfect every game but WTF, lets keep him in while he's off?
my bad...guys are up at least  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:54 pm : link
but this a real long leash for such a shit outing from pitch 1
RE: Lol, why any of us fans bother anymore is beyond me.  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14530695 PhiPsi125 said:
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This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?


I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.
Here's an idea Mickey - let Lugo throw 50 pitches so he blows his arm  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:56 pm : link
and he won't tempt you the next time your starter is dominating.
To be fair, just cuz I seen a few posts as such  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:57 pm : link
anyone who was "buying" after that run was incorrect. Way too soon. There were many saying we had to wait and see for THIS stretch

Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real

Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear
Welp...  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 10:57 pm : link
Mickey fucked us in this one. Still a chance to take one tomorrow. Will gladly settle for 3-3 against the Nats and Braves.
RE: RE: Lol, why any of us fans bother anymore is beyond me.  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14530700 Eric on Li said:
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This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?



I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.


Dont disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had.

Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season.
And Mick's shit decision making was a major con in that debate  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 10:59 pm : link
TBH, many saw this same shit during the W streak and said how that still needed to change if they have a legit shot, esp vs good teams
RE: RE: RE: Lol, why any of us fans bother anymore is beyond me.  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14530706 PhiPsi125 said:
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This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?



I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.



Dont disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had.

Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season.


Terry was competent. He wasn't great but he wasn't as awful as the results he had early on when they had no talent. Mickey is incompetent and BVW keeping him was pure insanity.

But good news, Avilan is in against a righty with men on.
RE: And Mick's shit decision making was a major con in that debate  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14530708 ChaChing said:
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TBH, many saw this same shit during the W streak and said how that still needed to change if they have a legit shot, esp vs good teams


The guy literally almost blew all 3 games against Washington with his decisions in the BP. Frazier's homer saved him.
I really want to like Callaway  
Chris684 : 8/14/2019 11:01 pm : link
but a game like this loses me not only as a Mets fan but baseball overall.

Matz is out there competing his ass off. Battled through a tough 2nd inning and really settled into a groove. His pitch count was low and he was headed into the lower half of the Braves lineup.

Taking him out is not what competition is about. Totally disheartening and a bunch of bullshit.

This one is a bitter pill to swallow.
At least jd davis is fun  
giantsFC : 8/14/2019 11:02 pm : link
Team prob trades him and/or McNeil this summer for a washed up BVW client
Ramos looked geriatric trying to apply that tag  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:02 pm : link
never seen a throw beat a guy like that and the catcher not even get the glove on the player.
RE: To be fair, just cuz I seen a few posts as such  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 11:03 pm : link
In comment 14530704 ChaChing said:
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anyone who was "buying" after that run was incorrect. Way too soon. There were many saying we had to wait and see for THIS stretch

Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real

Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear


Well, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Plenty were buying into it. As has been the entire season, this team is going to underperform against real baseball teams the remainder of the season. They shouldnt, but they will. Poor leadership destroys good baseball teams.
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ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:04 pm : link
RE: RE: And Mick's shit decision making was a major con in that debate  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14530710 Eric on Li said:
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TBH, many saw this same shit during the W streak and said how that still needed to change if they have a legit shot, esp vs good teams


The guy literally almost blew all 3 games against Washington with his decisions in the BP. Frazier's homer saved him.

Worse, I'm even talking about the Ws vs shit teams. They won despite the Mick in many of those too

Obv when you are a weak team, a streak like that isn't nothing. But it ain't a whole lot when on it's own

And there's still a ton of time, but I hate when the main 'pro' is "there's time" vs improvements in play or strategy
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lol, why any of us fans bother anymore is beyond me.  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 11:06 pm : link
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This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?



I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.



Dont disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had.

Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season.



Terry was competent. He wasn't great but he wasn't as awful as the results he had early on when they had no talent. Mickey is incompetent and BVW keeping him was pure insanity.

But good news, Avilan is in against a righty with men on.


I know you like to defend Terry but he was bad. And had a long history of being bad. Yes, he didnt have good talent in the beginning but when he did have it he was bad. 2015 was great and all (from August forward) but it was smoke and mirrors. But its cool, we can agree to disagree.
RE: RE: To be fair, just cuz I seen a few posts as such  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14530715 PhiPsi125 said:
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anyone who was "buying" after that run was incorrect. Way too soon. There were many saying we had to wait and see for THIS stretch

Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real

Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear


Well, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Plenty were buying into it. As has been the entire season, this team is going to underperform against real baseball teams the remainder of the season. They shouldnt, but they will. Poor leadership destroys good baseball teams.

Didn't say people weren't. I'm saying that take was incorrect / clearly preemptive and there were those who weren't just buying beating Pit or Mia. It's fine to get excited of course - that's the fun - but I know I wasn't saying a whole lot different than wait-and-see, and there were some others too...

Enjoyed it while it was happening tho
Snitker  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 11:11 pm : link
Long time minor league guy - LONG time Braves organization - Brings in Shane Greene AGAIN knowing they need him if they're going to stand up to the Dodgers.

And at least this time, Greene does not disappoint.
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ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:13 pm : link
Collins was a career .500 manager over 2000+ games  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:13 pm : link
I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.

If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.
here's a question - with Lugo burned, why is Familia pitching down 4?  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:14 pm : link
if they somehow get a lead tomorrow who is going to pitch?
RE: Collins was a career .500 manager over 2000+ games  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14530725 Eric on Li said:
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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.

If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.


The fact that Terry Collins was better than The Mick is a reflection on Mickey, not Terry. Collins was OK - Mickey is terrible
RE: here's a question - with Lugo burned, why is Familia pitching down 4?  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14530727 Eric on Li said:
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if they somehow get a lead tomorrow who is going to pitch?

Agreed! I think - At this point Familia should be given closer duties until he disappoints.
Mickey Callaway is a bullpen terrorist  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:17 pm : link
can't wait until tomorrow night's high leverage, avoid the sweep situation featuring "everyday" Rob Gsellman and Edwin "chicks dig the long ball" Diaz.
RE: here's a question - with Lugo burned, why is Familia pitching down 4?  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14530727 Eric on Li said:
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if they somehow get a lead tomorrow who is going to pitch?

The Mick can't think that far ahead. Unless it makes no sense (he'll have some answer for pulling Matz)

Once again, doing nothing would have been better than doing Mick things. LEAVE YOUR SP IN WHEN HE'S ROLLING ON LOW PC. It's not just easier but pretty 101 level stuff. Well if you insist on ignoring common sense anyway

And he does!
Nice inning for Familia - glad to see he's earned more high leverage  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:27 pm : link
situations, checks notes, down by 4 runs with the team's best reliever already burned for tomorrow's game.
RE: Collins was a career .500 manager over 2000+ games  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14530725 Eric on Li said:
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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.

If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.


Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess its better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong.

But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF
Nice Altherr is up this inning  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:30 pm : link
that should not help

Oh wait, Tejada, Lagares THEN Altherr. Buzzsaw
Lagares is on fire  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:30 pm : link
just hit .200!!!!
What the heck...  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 11:31 pm : link
Lets get 5 and turn It over to Diaz.
RE: What the heck...  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14530738 Gmanfandan said:
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Lets get 5 and turn It over to Diaz.

So still lose you mean?

I kid I kid

But not
RE: RE: Collins was a career .500 manager over 2000+ games  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14530735 PhiPsi125 said:
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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.

If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.



Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess its better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong.

But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF


I just think it's bizarre to bring Terry Collins into a discussion about Callaway's incompetence, especially at this moment. Name the last Met manager you'd prefer to Terry Collins.
lol at the Braves pen  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:34 pm : link
Makes me happy watching another team's pen blow as bad as ours all year.
Mkay, tying run to plate...Big Bopper Guillorme  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:34 pm : link
then Alonso up next fwiw
Good thing Callaway brought Avilan in against a R to stop the bleeding  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:35 pm : link
seriously flipping a coin would be better than letting Callaway make any decision.
So glad JD Davis  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:35 pm : link
Isnt up right now...
RE: So glad JD Davis  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14530745 ZGiants98 said:
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Isnt up right now...

In your face!!!!

(...I said the same thing pre AB)
RE: So glad JD Davis  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14530745 ZGiants98 said:
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Isnt up right now...


You know it's bad for someone in the mets org when Z is taking jabs. Nice to see you join the dark side for once.
RE: RE: So glad JD Davis  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14530747 Eric on Li said:
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Isnt up right now...



You know it's bad for someone in the mets org when Z is taking jabs. Nice to see you join the dark side for once.


Ive always been against Mickey. And Terry before that really. Im sure Phi or somebody will back me up on that...
Pete ain't done much since the ASG  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:38 pm : link
save some HRs

(hint hint, kid. Doooo it)
that ump gave Melancon a ridiculous strike on 2-0  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:39 pm : link
not sure this gets overturned but he didn't touch the base before he started bobbling.
watch his feet - by the time his foot touches the bag, he's already  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:40 pm : link
bobbling the ball during transfer. I suspect they will give him an "area" call (bc we are the only assholes who get screwed by that rule) but I don't think he ever had possession of the ball while touching the bag.
Close but I doubt there's an overturn. Too close to flip i'd think  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:40 pm : link
That said, Mr RISP up, so would be big if he's not out...1 hit could tie it
wow i think that's the right call  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:41 pm : link
he just never had possession on the bag. He was losing it before he touched it.
Wow...  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:42 pm : link
Can we get a single?
Actually watching there...  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:42 pm : link
he caught it BUT was still dragging the foot over...and started the transfer b4 hitting the bag

as Ronnie just said
someone tell Ramos not to hit it on the fucking ground pls  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:42 pm : link
k thanks.
Dont you hit into a DP  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:42 pm : link
Ramos. You sonofa...
RE: someone tell Ramos not to hit it on the fucking ground pls  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14530756 Eric on Li said:
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k thanks.


Elevation of the sphere please
Killer curve right there  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:44 pm : link
(dick)
Blevins  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:44 pm : link
for the WIN. lol.
good pitch, tip the cap - Conforto time against Blevins  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:45 pm : link
this is a winnable situation that needs to be taken advantage of.
Welp, Blevins blew leads FOR us not long ago  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:45 pm : link
so how bout a little love back bud?

Conforto up
gary apple is so bad he needs to be muted in a big spot  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:47 pm : link
down to 1 strike left. Come on Conforto.
Thanks  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:48 pm : link
Mick!
RE: RE: RE: Collins was a career .500 manager over 2000+ games  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14530740 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14530735 PhiPsi125 said:


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In comment 14530725 Eric on Li said:


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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.

If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.



Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess its better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong.

But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF



I just think it's bizarre to bring Terry Collins into a discussion about Callaway's incompetence, especially at this moment. Name the last Met manager you'd prefer to Terry Collins.


Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.
Welp... Nice to see a little fight...  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:49 pm : link
Desperately need to win tomorrow...

obv joking a bit tho Mick really set them back  
ChaChing : 8/14/2019 11:49 pm : link
They still coulda made it happen there...4 runs is a lot but it was there. Ramos & Conforto just didn't make it happen
RE: obv joking a bit tho Mick really set them back  
Gmanfandan : 8/14/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14530769 ChaChing said:
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They still coulda made it happen there...4 runs is a lot but it was there. Ramos & Conforto just didn't make it happen


The shame is losing a terrific start from Matz who can be great and can be normal - today he was great and it was wasted
We are going to drop out of this race as quickly as we got back  
PhiPsi125 : 8/14/2019 11:52 pm : link
into it with all of our competition feasting on their cake schedules.
the players deserve credit for the 9th  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2019 11:52 pm : link
and for doing everything possible if the BP didn't blow it, once again. As disappointing as it is for the BP to suck I put 90+% of the blame on Callaway because he is a bp terrorist.

Pulling Matz was stupid. That was at least 1 extra inning for the BP that they didn't need to carry.

Putting Lugo in the 7th was stupid. He's our best reliever. Why put him in then? Sticking with Lugo for almost 30 pitches when he didn't have it was also dumb because now he's burned for tomorrow.

Putting Avilan in with men on base against a righty was stupid.

Putting Familia in down 4 with Lugo burned for tomorrow was stupid.

Mickey Callaway...yesterday's dumb decisions are tomorrow's excuses for losses.
Just shitty all around for Matz  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:53 pm : link
The guy can be shaky at times but when he's pitching like he is tonight, it just sucks to see it get wasted...

He looked really good and efficient. Even had a couple of hits. You seriously pull him because of one guy at 79 pitches? Donaldson? If that was the plan why let him bat then? Dont tell me Mickey knew Matz would get a hit. And I dont get changing to another pitcher only because we had the lead. It was a one run game either way with 3 innings left. Should have been playing our best players either way.
Garry Apple is legit the worst play by play guy I have ever heard  
moespree : 8/14/2019 11:53 pm : link
He has zero feel for the ball off the bat. There's at least 3 or 4 occasions tonight he raised his voice in excitement as if it's a homerun off the bat and it's a popup in the infield.
Gotta say it too  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2019 11:56 pm : link
But Alonso has really been awful since the break. He hit a few home runs last week which was nice but overall he still hasn't truly heated up. 104 wRC+ over the second half. That's just not good enough. Not now. Not with so many hitters out of the lineup.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Collins was a career .500 manager over 2000+ games  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2019 12:02 am : link
In comment 14530766 PhiPsi125 said:
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Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.


It wasn't a bat signal / I didn't just swoop in to attack your comment from left field - you made the comment in direct reply to a post i made (which was in response to a post you made). I wasn't looking to put Terry up on some pedestal, I just think there's no comparison between his shortcomings and Callaway's. If Terry was still the manager we'd have probably won this game tonight so I found it odd timing to criticize him. That's not a huge compliment of Terry either, you could have randomly named a zoo animal manager tonight and they would have probably kept Matz in the game.
This explanation is worse than the decision itself if that's possible  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2019 12:04 am : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
Steven Matz was not injured. Mickey Callaway made the move to take out Matz at 79 pitches "because we had the best reliever in baseball sitting down there."

"I'll make that move 100 times out of 100," Callaway said. "That's the right move, in my mind."

glad we cleared that up.
Wow...  
ZGiants98 : 8/15/2019 12:11 am : link
Mickey said if we had tied it in the 9th Rosario was going to play LF. Yeeesh.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Collins was a career .500 manager over 2000+ games  
PhiPsi125 : 8/15/2019 12:12 am : link
In comment 14530777 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14530766 PhiPsi125 said:


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Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.



It wasn't a bat signal / I didn't just swoop in to attack your comment from left field - you made the comment in direct reply to a post i made (which was in response to a post you made). I wasn't looking to put Terry up on some pedestal, I just think there's no comparison between his shortcomings and Callaway's. If Terry was still the manager we'd have probably won this game tonight so I found it odd timing to criticize him. That's not a huge compliment of Terry either, you could have randomly named a zoo animal manager tonight and they would have probably kept Matz in the game.


Fine, whatever. It was a throwaway comment about the horrible managers the Mets employ. I didnt even say TCs name. It didnt even have anything to do with your post (that I was agreeing with). For some reason you took it as an opportunity to make it a conversation about defending TC. Again, not the first time.

And, no...I don't believe for a second that we would have won this game if Collins was still the manager. Because he was horrible 😁
Hey 1 good Mick move, as I missed it live  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 12:14 am : link
is he PH'd Panik for Altherr

so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team

The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion
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ZGiants98 : 8/15/2019 12:15 am : link
JHarper
My biggest issue with Callaway's move to Lugo so early is him saying afterward, "If Lugo throws two scoreless innings, we win the game." Um, what about the 9th? Bottom line, I'd rather have Matz, the way he was going, for the 7th than Diaz or Wilson for the 9th.
RE: Hey 1 good Mick move, as I missed it live  
ZGiants98 : 8/15/2019 12:21 am : link
In comment 14530782 ChaChing said:
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is he PH'd Panik for Altherr

so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team

The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion


Except that shifted Rosario to LF in possibly a tie game?? Not sure about that. Should have just started the real player in Panik over AAAA Tejada crap from the beginning.
there is no defense of the decision to pull Matz  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2019 12:22 am : link
he had just gotten through Acuna, Albies, and Freeman in 11 pitches the inning prior. That's why he was allowed to hit in the first place.

The fact that Mickey says he'd do it 100 times out of 100 shows the problem in such clear terms I would honestly fire him tonight. That's not hyperbole. He made an indefensible decision and is doubling down with an indefensible statement, so it's indefensible to let that man make decisions if you want to see your team win games. Period. End of story.

Seriously, are we just supposed to wait to see him make that same decision the next 99 times before arriving at the conclusion that he lost this game for his team tonight? I will bet right now he walks back his asinine statement tomorrow.
RE: RE: Hey 1 good Mick move, as I missed it live  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2019 12:24 am : link
In comment 14530785 ZGiants98 said:
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is he PH'd Panik for Altherr

so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team

The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion



Except that shifted Rosario to LF in possibly a tie game?? Not sure about that. Should have just started the real player in Panik over AAAA Tejada crap from the beginning.


Yup - or god forbid give Guillorme a freaking chance - he's only gotten 2 big hits in the last 3 at bats.
Not that we didn't all see this in real time  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2019 12:27 am : link
From Heyman - "Todd Zeile makes great points about Mickeys call to pull Matz after 6 innings and 79 pitches up 2-1.
1) Matz had retired 14 straight
2) Matz was allowed to bat in top of 7th, then pulled
3) Callaway had no good definitive plan for 9th even if Lugo threw 2 scoreless. Not good."

Like I said above - I'd bet a lot of money Callaway walks back his dumbfuck "100x out of 100" tomorrow. He is like a worse version of Ben Mcadoo.
Yeah fair enough  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 12:29 am : link
I was thinking like Mick, just looking at the single situation (as a guy who's been hard on AA, tho he's deserved it)

As that move would have lead to a first timer in the OF, I take it back!
Mick McAdoo. Or Ben Callaway  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 12:30 am : link
Oh yeah there's a resemblance
RE: This explanation is worse than the decision itself if that's possible  
Vanzetti : 8/15/2019 12:33 am : link
In comment 14530778 Eric on Li said:
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Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
Steven Matz was not injured. Mickey Callaway made the move to take out Matz at 79 pitches "because we had the best reliever in baseball sitting down there."

"I'll make that move 100 times out of 100," Callaway said. "That's the right move, in my mind."

glad we cleared that up.


Mickey is childish. Admit you made a mistake and move on
Unbelievable  
5BowlsSoon : 8/15/2019 7:59 am : link
79 pitches and gone.....makes no sense. Oh, and in case you didnt know it, you dont have a great man to come out of the bullpen. You should be fired for that decision.
I guess the best move  
Gmanfandan : 8/15/2019 8:13 am : link
Is to throw another chair?
I'm even more furious this morning  
Chris684 : 8/15/2019 8:36 am : link
after listening to know nothings Boomer and Gio on WFAN try to tell everyone why Callaway was right.

It's an inexplicable decision.

Maybe it's just the new thought process in baseball, I dunno. It's fucking criminal to take out Matz there. It's a non-competitive move, managing not to lose, all of the above. The logic that he produced a few loud outs in the 6th shouldn't matter. Not to mention that was the teeth of the order. In the 7th he was going to face Donaldson and then a break in the lineup.

What do you have a starting pitcher for? What do you have pitch counts for? Such a weak move.
Well at least  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 9:20 am : link
we had some meaningful August baseball.

not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)
Good article recapping Mickey's moronic decision  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2019 10:10 am : link
with a few quotes/nuggets I hadn't seen elsewhere.

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The rally had been sparked by a single from Steven Matz, hitting for himself in the seventh because hed retired 14 batters in a row.

But once the Mets grabbed that lead, manager Mickey Callaway decided to go with Seth Lugo in the seventh inning rather than the cruising Matz. That went somewhat against what Callaway had suggested over the weekend, when he said his primary blueprint would be to use the right-hander for the final three to six outs with a lead.

Were more inclined to save him for the eighth and maybe pitch him in the eighth and ninth, he said Sunday of Lugo. There will be times when I dont feel like we can get there and hell pitch some in the seventh maybe get an out in the seventh and pitch the eighth and well figure out the ninth. Its not easy, just like every decision.


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Lugo didnt start warming up until the Mets took the lead on Davis two-out single about five minutes before he took the mound for the seventh. He insisted that was enough time to get warm, even if he did walk the first batter he faced for the first time in more than a year.


It's just amazing to me that a 1 run lead changed Mickey's entire thought process so instantly. Who doesn't love a boss who says one thing about your role and then asks the exact opposite of you on short notice?

If it were the 9th inning I'd understand but it was the 7th damn inning. What the hell was the rush to get Matz out of the game? He had just gone through the heart of Atlanta's lineup (Acuna/Albies/Freeman). Get Lugo working if you must and give Matz Donaldson. Even in a worst case scenario he gives up a homer, it's a tie game in the 7th, and you bring in Lugo (or another reliever) against the bottom of the lineup with nobody on base and more time to get warm.

The only thing bringing in Lugo in that spot did was guarantee you wouldn't have him to pitch against Acuna/Albies/Freeman the next time they came up.
Examining Mickey Callaways seventh-inning decision to pull Steven Matz for Seth Lugo - ( New Window )
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 10:13 am : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO

1h
Mets with two prospects in the Top 100:

#60 Ronny Mauricio
#69 Andres Gimenez

(Kelenic at #31, Dunn at #99)
RE: Well at least  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14530916 pjcas18 said:
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we had some meaningful August baseball.

not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)


The WC run isn't over any more than it was for the Nats heading into Sunday vs. JDG - after losing 2 heartbreakers late. They gritted out a win against our BP despite Soto getting hurt, stopped the bleeding, and then turned the page against Cincy winning 3 straight.

The problem (I see your captain obvious and raise you) is that Callaway continues to show almost every night he is outclassed in anything resembling a tight game. Yesterday could have been a rallying point behind a great effort from Matz and instead it turns into a heartbreaker. BVW has done a lot of in-season maneuvering, recently most of it was helpful, how he handles the leadership crisis behind the scenes will determine what happens the rest of the year. I believe we are going to hear a different tune from Mickey today than he had last night and he's going to acknowledge he made a mistake. Not because I think he believes it or is actually learning from his mistakes, but because I think BVW is going to make him do it bc he knows it's the right thing to do if he doesn't want to lose the clubhouse.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14530981 pjcas18 said:
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Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO

1h
Mets with two prospects in the Top 100:

#60 Ronny Mauricio
#69 Andres Gimenez

(Kelenic at #31, Dunn at #99)


I feel like new/updated top 100 lists come out almost every week now.
I still can't believe Matz didn't start the 7th...  
Chris684 : 8/15/2019 10:23 am : link
Unbelievable.
That  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2019 11:01 am : link
Utley/Tejada stuff is such BS and Tejada added fuel to the fire.
RE: That  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14531059 DanMetroMan said:
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Utley/Tejada stuff is such BS and Tejada added fuel to the fire.


Agree, but Preston Wilson has a point about common courtesy among athletes - you read about it all the time in many sports:

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Preston Wilson
@PrestonWilson44

15h
When Biggio was injured as a result of my slide the first thing I did after the game was call their clubhouse to check on him and talk to him about it. Call it professional courtesy or just human decency. You should at least reach out to show you care. It could be you one day.
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 11:29 am : link
Ernest Dove
@ernestdove

1m
Sources have told myself along with @mikemayerMMO
of @MetsMerized
@Mets_Minors
that Mets top 10 prospect Mark Vientos is being rested as a precaution with a minor injury. Vientos hasnt appeared in a game since 8/12 & team has added an infielder to roster.
RE: RE: That  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14531067 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14531059 DanMetroMan said:


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Utley/Tejada stuff is such BS and Tejada added fuel to the fire.



Agree, but Preston Wilson has a point about common courtesy among athletes - you read about it all the time in many sports:



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Preston Wilson
@PrestonWilson44

15h
When Biggio was injured as a result of my slide the first thing I did after the game was call their clubhouse to check on him and talk to him about it. Call it professional courtesy or just human decency. You should at least reach out to show you care. It could be you one day.




I like Preston Wilson but he's off here. Utley DID reach out through Wright AND sent him a bottle of tequila.
Utley reached out thru Wright?  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/15/2019 1:05 pm : link
Okay, and?

Can't be man enough to do it yourself?

RE: I'm even more furious this morning  
Section331 : 8/15/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14530863 Chris684 said:
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after listening to know nothings Boomer and Gio on WFAN try to tell everyone why Callaway was right.



It is what is wrong with so much of sports "analysis", they try so hard to go against the grain that they make insupportable arguments.
RE: That  
schabadoo : 8/15/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14531059 DanMetroMan said:
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Utley/Tejada stuff is such BS and Tejada added fuel to the fire.


Pretty innocuous stuff. Just seemed like he was just answering a question. He hasn't spoken to him.

They created a new rule due to Utley's slide, btw.
RE: Well at least  
5BowlsSoon : 8/15/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14530916 pjcas18 said:
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we had some meaningful August baseball.

not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)


Too bad Mets arent in the AL....almost one third of those teams are gimmes so it is much easier to rattle off 10 in a row there. Just play Orioles, Tigers, Seattle, or KC (blue jays are improving) and you dont even have to bring your A team and you have 14 in a row.
Mickey embarrassing himself  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 6:20 pm : link


Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Callaway: I bet 85 percent of our decisions go against the analytics. And that is how its always going to be, because that is just on paper. It doesnt take into account the person is a human being, how he performs in these big spots, all these things a manager looks at.
6:13 PM Aug 15, 2019Twitter Web App
RE: Mickey embarrassing himself  
PhiPsi125 : 8/15/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14531500 pjcas18 said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Callaway: I bet 85 percent of our decisions go against the analytics. And that is how its always going to be, because that is just on paper. It doesnt take into account the person is a human being, how he performs in these big spots, all these things a manager looks at.
6:13 PM Aug 15, 2019Twitter Web App


Mickey literally never looks at those things. Never.
And people mocked  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 6:48 pm : link
Davey Johnson because he used a computer to aid his decisions.

We've come full circle.
Alonso  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
3 run bomb, #39.

Loved this:
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Matt Ehalt
@MattEhalt

1m
Is it too early to pull Stroman for Lugo?

LOL
451 feet on the Alonso bomb  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 7:37 pm : link


Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89

4m
Most home runs in a players first 120 career games:

Mark McGwire: 40
Pete Alonso: 39
Cody Bellinger: 38

#Mets #LGM
RE: Mickey embarrassing himself  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14531500 pjcas18 said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Callaway: I bet 85 percent of our decisions go against the analytics. And that is how its always going to be, because that is just on paper. It doesnt take into account the person is a human being, how he performs in these big spots, all these things a manager looks at.
6:13 PM Aug 15, 2019Twitter Web App

Man Mick is a fucking idiot. Yes, analytics in the specific moment are just a piece of the puzzle. But "does't take into account" shit - yeah it does, it includes EVERY AB, during which his personal situations apply each time...

Now you can't glean that from the numbers, we know that. Which is why YOU LEAVE MATZ IN WHEN HE'S KILLING IT...even when his overall ERA is higher than Lugo's or R bats are coming up or a statistical decline 3rd time through / late game...you know, like you did 2 starts ago with him in his CG (derp)

Seriously, even pro mgrs don't understand how to use stats most times it seems
Teheran  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 8:10 pm : link
can't find the SZ at all. 9 balls out of last 10. Please do not swing 1st pitch at least!!!
Last nights game  
KDubbs : 8/15/2019 8:11 pm : link
Is probably going to haunt us for the rest of the year. Finish 3-3 and well be ok. Somehow go 4-2 and everything is good
Rosario on fire  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 8:15 pm : link
if he maintains, it will solve a problem going forward some people felt existed but really doesn't.

Also, Dilson Herrera 2 HR's today. Mets made the wrong call with Tejada IMO.

wouldn't matter tonight, Panik on base twice.
Ramos: either good for a DP or runs  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 8:18 pm : link
Nothing in between lol
Ramos  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2019 8:19 pm : link
KO's Teheran.

Stroman just needs to be ok and get through 6, hopefully not get complacent - Braves O can score in bunches.

Lagares cracks the Mendoza line. May he never look back  
Ira : 8/15/2019 8:34 pm : link
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Almost exactly since I said I've given up on Lagares...  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 8:34 pm : link
he's had solid ABs and gotten a bunch of hits. Lets goooooo Juan
So a former AL pitcher in Stro bunts better than basically every Met  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 8:35 pm : link
?
RE: Rosario on fire  
Gmanfandan : 8/15/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14531590 pjcas18 said:
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if he maintains, it will solve a problem going forward some people felt existed but really doesn't.

Also, Dilson Herrera 2 HR's today. Mets made the wrong call with Tejada IMO.

wouldn't matter tonight, Panik on base twice.


Rueben looked like he didn't belong out there. Hope that changes.
Stroman  
KDubbs : 8/15/2019 8:48 pm : link
Hasnt really been a good pickup yet. 3 starts he hasnt been very good
Right...  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 8:49 pm : link
0-outs, bases juiced after 2 walks, a passed ball & a glove malfunction. Donaldson up, he with his .400+ vs the Mets

7 feels like not enough already...
Tho that was a quick close to the inning  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 8:50 pm : link
7-1, not bad after 0-outs & bases loaded
Pete...2 RBI single  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 9:21 pm : link
big night even outside the HR. 9-2 in the 5th
Phils and cards losing late  
KDubbs : 8/15/2019 9:38 pm : link
We can get some help on top of a win here. Nats play brewers so if we can somehow sweep the royals, we sill gain ground on someone
What a night for big Pete so far. 4-4 with a walk, a hr and 6 rbi's  
Ira : 8/15/2019 10:02 pm : link
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Huge game to salvage  
Metnut : 8/15/2019 10:16 pm : link
Have a nice weekend in KC with our best pitchers going and well still be right there.
RE: What a night for big Pete so far. 4-4 with a walk, a hr and 6 rbi's  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14531701

And Rosario a HR away from the cycle too, Lagares 3 hits for the 2nd game in 3 i believe

Rosario w/ another hit tho...5 hits
GS Walk of by Harper  
Gmanfandan : 8/15/2019 10:22 pm : link
Off Holland - do no ground there
Cubs bullpen collapses  
Mike in NY : 8/15/2019 10:22 pm : link
Harper with walk off grand slam
RE: GS Walk of by Harper  
KDubbs : 8/15/2019 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14531713 Gmanfandan said:
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Off Holland - do no ground there


No ground on phils but the cubs and cards we gain on with a win.
Guess I was right way b4  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 10:50 pm : link
7 ain't enough runs...10-7 now...but 2 outs so this 'should' get done damnit
Im not scared  
Gmanfandan : 8/15/2019 10:50 pm : link
You're scared! Maybe we'll need Diaz for the save (gulp)
Drew Gagnon  
nygfaninorlando : 8/15/2019 10:50 pm : link
not good.
Jfc  
KDubbs : 8/15/2019 10:50 pm : link
Earth to Mickey
MFer  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 10:50 pm : link
10-8
Maybe hell put Matz in  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/15/2019 10:52 pm : link
.
Why give Gagnon  
nygfaninorlando : 8/15/2019 10:53 pm : link
a 2nd inning?
This game  
KDubbs : 8/15/2019 10:54 pm : link
Is gonna be a loss. I fucking hate watching Diaz pitch
Are you kidding me?  
nygfaninorlando : 8/15/2019 10:54 pm : link
4 pitch walk from Diaz.
Aaaaaand Diaz, he of 3 HRs in last 4 outings  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 10:55 pm : link
and now a 4 pitch walk, tying run at the plate. At least that's not Mickey's fault, but wtf
Big fucking deal  
KDubbs : 8/15/2019 10:56 pm : link
Diaz might be the fucking worst closer in a long line of shitty closers. Fuck him
wins a win  
Gmanfandan : 8/15/2019 10:56 pm : link
Lets get to KC and get back in this thing
The bullpen  
sshin05 : 8/15/2019 10:58 pm : link
just wow, wow. Gagnon is probably not going to KC at this rate.
Mets bullpen is fire  
giantsFC : 8/15/2019 11:07 pm : link
Can they just bring back retired out of shape greats.
John Franco, Jesse Orosco, Roger McDowell, Jeff Innis, Turk Wendell could do better in 2019.

Heck where is Colon or RA Dickey?
Gagnon shouldn't have been in for a 2nd inning  
moespree : 8/15/2019 11:22 pm : link
And certainly shouldn't have stayed in once there was the slightest sign of trouble. The manager is a dope. And is Riggleman just stealing money? What exactly is he doing? I thought he was hired to prevent Mickey from being a dope.
Not that he's any driving force  
ChaChing : 8/15/2019 11:29 pm : link
but it seems Panik was a good get. Solidified the D and is producing a bit on O (i think mostly scoring runs, but yea!). Decent to have in the bot lineup while that continues, esp as a tough K

Better than the black holes we seen...as related really nice to see Lagares bump a bit. Would be huge if he can give us something on O, if not just spd on the bags
On the bright side, Lagares is hot and deserves regular playing time  
Ira : 8/16/2019 7:24 am : link
at least until he's not. Rosario and Big Pete each had 5 hits. Alonso was amazing with his 6 rbi's.
Big W  
10thAve : 8/16/2019 7:32 am : link
Get a sweep here in KC to keep it moving.

Alonso seems like a guy who says to the team, f*ck this, I got this tonight and puts the team on his back when its needed most, like last night.

During the rain delay the other night I was watching the pre-game and it was an interview with Gelbs and Randazzo with Alonso, it was really interesting. Alonsos high school said he would never be a college ball player, he was doubted through college and the minors, and you can tell that drives him. He also had some choice words for the scouts who shat on him in the minors about his defense.
Agree  
5BowlsSoon : 8/16/2019 1:54 pm : link
Should have won 2 with Matz but with cream puff Royals up next, a sweep is very possible.
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