NFT: Mets at Braves Game 2: Matz

before he removed him too. And then took out our hottest hitter in a one run game. YEESH.

What a joke.

why are we just rolling w/ Lugo? Is no one up in the pen? ZERO OUTS in like 5-6 ABs? But just keep him out there?

Lugo isn't likely to be perfect every game but WTF, lets keep him in while he's off?

but this a real long leash for such a shit outing from pitch 1

In comment 14530695 PhiPsi125 said:

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This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently?

I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.

and he won't tempt you the next time your starter is dominating.

anyone who was "buying" after that run was incorrect. Way too soon. There were many saying we had to wait and see for THIS stretch

Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real

Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear

Mickey fucked us in this one. Still a chance to take one tomorrow. Will gladly settle for 3-3 against the Nats and Braves.

In comment 14530700 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14530695 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently? I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum.

Don’t disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had.

Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season.

TBH, many saw this same shit during the W streak and said how that still needed to change if they have a legit shot, esp vs good teams

In comment 14530706 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 14530700 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 14530695 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently? I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum. Don’t disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had. Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season.

Terry was competent. He wasn't great but he wasn't as awful as the results he had early on when they had no talent. Mickey is incompetent and BVW keeping him was pure insanity.

But good news, Avilan is in against a righty with men on.

In comment 14530708 ChaChing said:

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TBH, many saw this same shit during the W streak and said how that still needed to change if they have a legit shot, esp vs good teams

The guy literally almost blew all 3 games against Washington with his decisions in the BP. Frazier's homer saved him.

but a game like this loses me not only as a Mets fan but baseball overall.

Matz is out there competing his ass off. Battled through a tough 2nd inning and really settled into a groove. His pitch count was low and he was headed into the lower half of the Braves lineup.

Taking him out is not what competition is about. Totally disheartening and a bunch of bullshit.

This one is a bitter pill to swallow.

Team prob trades him and/or McNeil this summer for a washed up BVW client

never seen a throw beat a guy like that and the catcher not even get the glove on the player.

In comment 14530704 ChaChing said:

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anyone who was "buying" after that run was incorrect. Way too soon. There were many saying we had to wait and see for THIS stretch Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear

Well, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Plenty were buying into it. As has been the entire season, this team is going to underperform against real baseball teams the remainder of the season. They shouldn’t, but they will. Poor leadership destroys good baseball teams.

In comment 14530710 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14530708 ChaChing said: Quote: TBH, many saw this same shit during the W streak and said how that still needed to change if they have a legit shot, esp vs good teams The guy literally almost blew all 3 games against Washington with his decisions in the BP. Frazier's homer saved him.

Worse, I'm even talking about the Ws vs shit teams. They won despite the Mick in many of those too

Obv when you are a weak team, a streak like that isn't nothing. But it ain't a whole lot when on it's own

And there's still a ton of time, but I hate when the main 'pro' is "there's time" vs improvements in play or strategy

In comment 14530709 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14530706 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: In comment 14530700 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 14530695 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: This team is, and always has been, a huge disappointment. Did anyone really expect this to go any differently? I refuse to blame the team that just battled to take the lead on the road shorthanded for 1 moron's stupid decision. You think it's not demoralizing for the team to have to play for this clown? Every single player in both dugouts knows he blew the game and completely screwed up his own team's momentum. Don’t disagree with anything you said. Only the Mets can find a WORSE replacement for the horrible manager they previously had. Rinse and repeat with this team. Every season. Terry was competent. He wasn't great but he wasn't as awful as the results he had early on when they had no talent. Mickey is incompetent and BVW keeping him was pure insanity. But good news, Avilan is in against a righty with men on.

I know you like to defend Terry but he was bad. And had a long history of being bad. Yes, he didn’t have good talent in the beginning but when he did have it he was bad. 2015 was great and all (from August forward) but it was smoke and mirrors. But it’s cool, we can agree to disagree.

In comment 14530715 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 14530704 ChaChing said: Quote: anyone who was "buying" after that run was incorrect. Way too soon. There were many saying we had to wait and see for THIS stretch Many enjoyed it while it was happening, but I know I was pretty much always saying yes they have to W a lot of these, but even if they do, the Nats series on is where it's for real Many here weren't simply expecting them to just go on a tear Well, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Plenty were buying into it. As has been the entire season, this team is going to underperform against real baseball teams the remainder of the season. They shouldn’t, but they will. Poor leadership destroys good baseball teams.

Didn't say people weren't. I'm saying that take was incorrect / clearly preemptive and there were those who weren't just buying beating Pit or Mia. It's fine to get excited of course - that's the fun - but I know I wasn't saying a whole lot different than wait-and-see, and there were some others too...

Enjoyed it while it was happening tho

Long time minor league guy - LONG time Braves organization - Brings in Shane Greene AGAIN knowing they need him if they're going to stand up to the Dodgers.

And at least this time, Greene does not disappoint.

I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.

If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.

if they somehow get a lead tomorrow who is going to pitch?

In comment 14530725 Eric on Li said:

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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS. If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.

The fact that Terry Collins was better than The Mick is a reflection on Mickey, not Terry. Collins was OK - Mickey is terrible

In comment 14530727 Eric on Li said:

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if they somehow get a lead tomorrow who is going to pitch?

Agreed! I think - At this point Familia should be given closer duties until he disappoints.

can't wait until tomorrow night's high leverage, avoid the sweep situation featuring "everyday" Rob Gsellman and Edwin "chicks dig the long ball" Diaz.

In comment 14530727 Eric on Li said:

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if they somehow get a lead tomorrow who is going to pitch?

The Mick can't think that far ahead. Unless it makes no sense (he'll have some answer for pulling Matz)

Once again, doing nothing would have been better than doing Mick things. LEAVE YOUR SP IN WHEN HE'S ROLLING ON LOW PC. It's not just easier but pretty 101 level stuff. Well if you insist on ignoring common sense anyway

And he does!

situations, checks notes, down by 4 runs with the team's best reliever already burned for tomorrow's game.

In comment 14530725 Eric on Li said:

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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS. If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.

Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess it’s better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong.

But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF

that should not help

Oh wait, Tejada, Lagares THEN Altherr. Buzzsaw

just hit .200!!!!

Lets get 5 and turn It over to Diaz.

In comment 14530738 Gmanfandan said:

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Lets get 5 and turn It over to Diaz.

So still lose you mean?

I kid I kid

But not

In comment 14530735 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 14530725 Eric on Li said: Quote: I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS. If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again. Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess it’s better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong. But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF

I just think it's bizarre to bring Terry Collins into a discussion about Callaway's incompetence, especially at this moment. Name the last Met manager you'd prefer to Terry Collins.

Makes me happy watching another team's pen blow as bad as ours all year.

then Alonso up next fwiw

seriously flipping a coin would be better than letting Callaway make any decision.

Isnt up right now...

In comment 14530745 ZGiants98 said:

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Isnt up right now...

In your face!!!!

(...I said the same thing pre AB)

In comment 14530745 ZGiants98 said:

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Isnt up right now...

You know it's bad for someone in the mets org when Z is taking jabs. Nice to see you join the dark side for once.

In comment 14530747 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14530745 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Isnt up right now... You know it's bad for someone in the mets org when Z is taking jabs. Nice to see you join the dark side for once.

Ive always been against Mickey. And Terry before that really. Im sure Phi or somebody will back me up on that...

save some HRs

(hint hint, kid. Doooo it)

not sure this gets overturned but he didn't touch the base before he started bobbling.

bobbling the ball during transfer. I suspect they will give him an "area" call (bc we are the only assholes who get screwed by that rule) but I don't think he ever had possession of the ball while touching the bag.

That said, Mr RISP up, so would be big if he's not out...1 hit could tie it

he just never had possession on the bag. He was losing it before he touched it.

Can we get a single?

he caught it BUT was still dragging the foot over...and started the transfer b4 hitting the bag

as Ronnie just said

k thanks.

Ramos. You sonofa...