Mets Lineup
Amed Rosario SS
J.D. Davis LF
Pete Alonso 1B
Wilson Ramos C
Michael Conforto RF
Todd Frazier 3B
Ruben Tejada 2B
Juan Lagares CF
Steven Matz P
Braves Lineup
Ronald Acuna Jr. RF
Ozzie Albies 2B
Freddie Freeman 1B
Josh Donaldson 3B
Adam Duvall LF
Johan Camargo SS
Ender Inciarte CF
Tyler Flowers C
Dallas Keuchel P
Ugly lineup. Hope for the best! LFGM!
Elevation of the sphere please
Conforto up
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In comment 14530725 Eric on Li said:
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I'd say that's a fairly robust sample size to say he was competent and neither a strong positive nor strong negative. His teams played reasonably hard, he got us to the playoffs twice in a row for the first time in like 15 years and to a WS.
If you wanna act like that's comparable to this clown show by all means but it's just not reality. And if the Coupons are going to continue paying managers the lowest salaries in the league we can only hope to get someone as competent as Terry again.
Listen, if my comparison is that Terry was bad and Mickey is worse, then I can live with that. Reality is that Terry has 5 winning season out of the 13 he managed. None of those winning seasons particularly impressive. He got he Mets to the playoffs ONCE. And only because the Nationals allowed us to by completely brain farting that one season. But I guess its better to be lucky than good. If we are hoping for Terry Collins again then there is something wrong.
But what do I know. The Yankees can lose their entire team to injuries the whole year, have worse starting pitching and Aaron fucking Boone as the manager...and manage to be 40 games over .500. WTF
I just think it's bizarre to bring Terry Collins into a discussion about Callaway's incompetence, especially at this moment. Name the last Met manager you'd prefer to Terry Collins.
Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.
The shame is losing a terrific start from Matz who can be great and can be normal - today he was great and it was wasted
Pulling Matz was stupid. That was at least 1 extra inning for the BP that they didn't need to carry.
Putting Lugo in the 7th was stupid. He's our best reliever. Why put him in then? Sticking with Lugo for almost 30 pitches when he didn't have it was also dumb because now he's burned for tomorrow.
Putting Avilan in with men on base against a righty was stupid.
Putting Familia in down 4 with Lugo burned for tomorrow was stupid.
Mickey Callaway...yesterday's dumb decisions are tomorrow's excuses for losses.
He looked really good and efficient. Even had a couple of hits. You seriously pull him because of one guy at 79 pitches? Donaldson? If that was the plan why let him bat then? Dont tell me Mickey knew Matz would get a hit. And I dont get changing to another pitcher only because we had the lead. It was a one run game either way with 3 innings left. Should have been playing our best players either way.
Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.
It wasn't a bat signal / I didn't just swoop in to attack your comment from left field - you made the comment in direct reply to a post i made (which was in response to a post you made). I wasn't looking to put Terry up on some pedestal, I just think there's no comparison between his shortcomings and Callaway's. If Terry was still the manager we'd have probably won this game tonight so I found it odd timing to criticize him. That's not a huge compliment of Terry either, you could have randomly named a zoo animal manager tonight and they would have probably kept Matz in the game.
@AnthonyDiComo
Steven Matz was not injured. Mickey Callaway made the move to take out Matz at 79 pitches "because we had the best reliever in baseball sitting down there."
"I'll make that move 100 times out of 100," Callaway said. "That's the right move, in my mind."
glad we cleared that up.
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Eric, all I did was comment that the Mets hired a worse manager than the horrible one they previously had. Not sure why it was a bat signal for you to come to the defense of Collins but its not the first time youve done it. I get it...you were cool with Terry. Many fans werent. We can just leave it at that.
It wasn't a bat signal / I didn't just swoop in to attack your comment from left field - you made the comment in direct reply to a post i made (which was in response to a post you made). I wasn't looking to put Terry up on some pedestal, I just think there's no comparison between his shortcomings and Callaway's. If Terry was still the manager we'd have probably won this game tonight so I found it odd timing to criticize him. That's not a huge compliment of Terry either, you could have randomly named a zoo animal manager tonight and they would have probably kept Matz in the game.
Fine, whatever. It was a throwaway comment about the horrible managers the Mets employ. I didnt even say TCs name. It didnt even have anything to do with your post (that I was agreeing with). For some reason you took it as an opportunity to make it a conversation about defending TC. Again, not the first time.
And, no...I don't believe for a second that we would have won this game if Collins was still the manager. Because he was horrible 😁
so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team
The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion
My biggest issue with Callaway's move to Lugo so early is him saying afterward, "If Lugo throws two scoreless innings, we win the game." Um, what about the 9th? Bottom line, I'd rather have Matz, the way he was going, for the 7th than Diaz or Wilson for the 9th.
so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team
The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion
Except that shifted Rosario to LF in possibly a tie game?? Not sure about that. Should have just started the real player in Panik over AAAA Tejada crap from the beginning.
The fact that Mickey says he'd do it 100 times out of 100 shows the problem in such clear terms I would honestly fire him tonight. That's not hyperbole. He made an indefensible decision and is doubling down with an indefensible statement, so it's indefensible to let that man make decisions if you want to see your team win games. Period. End of story.
Seriously, are we just supposed to wait to see him make that same decision the next 99 times before arriving at the conclusion that he lost this game for his team tonight? I will bet right now he walks back his asinine statement tomorrow.
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is he PH'd Panik for Altherr
so a big CHECK on one blatantly obvious decision that took, well, since AA's been on the team
The Mick: 1
Opposing teams: A Billion
Except that shifted Rosario to LF in possibly a tie game?? Not sure about that. Should have just started the real player in Panik over AAAA Tejada crap from the beginning.
Yup - or god forbid give Guillorme a freaking chance - he's only gotten 2 big hits in the last 3 at bats.
1) Matz had retired 14 straight
2) Matz was allowed to bat in top of 7th, then pulled
3) Callaway had no good definitive plan for 9th even if Lugo threw 2 scoreless. Not good."
Like I said above - I'd bet a lot of money Callaway walks back his dumbfuck "100x out of 100" tomorrow. He is like a worse version of Ben Mcadoo.
As that move would have lead to a first timer in the OF, I take it back!
@AnthonyDiComo
Steven Matz was not injured. Mickey Callaway made the move to take out Matz at 79 pitches "because we had the best reliever in baseball sitting down there."
"I'll make that move 100 times out of 100," Callaway said. "That's the right move, in my mind."
glad we cleared that up.
Mickey is childish. Admit you made a mistake and move on
It's an inexplicable decision.
Maybe it's just the new thought process in baseball, I dunno. It's fucking criminal to take out Matz there. It's a non-competitive move, managing not to lose, all of the above. The logic that he produced a few loud outs in the 6th shouldn't matter. Not to mention that was the teeth of the order. In the 7th he was going to face Donaldson and then a break in the lineup.
What do you have a starting pitcher for? What do you have pitch counts for? Such a weak move.
not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)
But once the Mets grabbed that lead, manager Mickey Callaway decided to go with Seth Lugo in the seventh inning rather than the cruising Matz. That went somewhat against what Callaway had suggested over the weekend, when he said his primary blueprint would be to use the right-hander for the final three to six outs with a lead.
Were more inclined to save him for the eighth and maybe pitch him in the eighth and ninth, he said Sunday of Lugo. There will be times when I dont feel like we can get there and hell pitch some in the seventh maybe get an out in the seventh and pitch the eighth and well figure out the ninth. Its not easy, just like every decision.
It's just amazing to me that a 1 run lead changed Mickey's entire thought process so instantly. Who doesn't love a boss who says one thing about your role and then asks the exact opposite of you on short notice?
If it were the 9th inning I'd understand but it was the 7th damn inning. What the hell was the rush to get Matz out of the game? He had just gone through the heart of Atlanta's lineup (Acuna/Albies/Freeman). Get Lugo working if you must and give Matz Donaldson. Even in a worst case scenario he gives up a homer, it's a tie game in the 7th, and you bring in Lugo (or another reliever) against the bottom of the lineup with nobody on base and more time to get warm.
The only thing bringing in Lugo in that spot did was guarantee you wouldn't have him to pitch against Acuna/Albies/Freeman the next time they came up.
Examining Mickey Callaways seventh-inning decision to pull Steven Matz for Seth Lugo - ( New Window )
@mikemayerMMO
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Mets with two prospects in the Top 100:
#60 Ronny Mauricio
#69 Andres Gimenez
(Kelenic at #31, Dunn at #99)
not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)
The WC run isn't over any more than it was for the Nats heading into Sunday vs. JDG - after losing 2 heartbreakers late. They gritted out a win against our BP despite Soto getting hurt, stopped the bleeding, and then turned the page against Cincy winning 3 straight.
The problem (I see your captain obvious and raise you) is that Callaway continues to show almost every night he is outclassed in anything resembling a tight game. Yesterday could have been a rallying point behind a great effort from Matz and instead it turns into a heartbreaker. BVW has done a lot of in-season maneuvering, recently most of it was helpful, how he handles the leadership crisis behind the scenes will determine what happens the rest of the year. I believe we are going to hear a different tune from Mickey today than he had last night and he's going to acknowledge he made a mistake. Not because I think he believes it or is actually learning from his mistakes, but because I think BVW is going to make him do it bc he knows it's the right thing to do if he doesn't want to lose the clubhouse.
@mikemayerMMO
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Mets with two prospects in the Top 100:
#60 Ronny Mauricio
#69 Andres Gimenez
(Kelenic at #31, Dunn at #99)
I feel like new/updated top 100 lists come out almost every week now.
Agree, but Preston Wilson has a point about common courtesy among athletes - you read about it all the time in many sports:
@PrestonWilson44
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When Biggio was injured as a result of my slide the first thing I did after the game was call their clubhouse to check on him and talk to him about it. Call it professional courtesy or just human decency. You should at least reach out to show you care. It could be you one day.
@ernestdove
1m
Sources have told myself along with @mikemayerMMO
of @MetsMerized
@Mets_Minors
that Mets top 10 prospect Mark Vientos is being rested as a precaution with a minor injury. Vientos hasnt appeared in a game since 8/12 & team has added an infielder to roster.
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Utley/Tejada stuff is such BS and Tejada added fuel to the fire.
Agree, but Preston Wilson has a point about common courtesy among athletes - you read about it all the time in many sports:
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Preston Wilson
@PrestonWilson44
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When Biggio was injured as a result of my slide the first thing I did after the game was call their clubhouse to check on him and talk to him about it. Call it professional courtesy or just human decency. You should at least reach out to show you care. It could be you one day.
I like Preston Wilson but he's off here. Utley DID reach out through Wright AND sent him a bottle of tequila.
Can't be man enough to do it yourself?
It is what is wrong with so much of sports "analysis", they try so hard to go against the grain that they make insupportable arguments.
Pretty innocuous stuff. Just seemed like he was just answering a question. He hasn't spoken to him.
They created a new rule due to Utley's slide, btw.
not throwing in the towel, but if the Mets don't stop the bleeding and go on another prolonged winning streak they're done (captain obvious?)
Too bad Mets arent in the AL....almost one third of those teams are gimmes so it is much easier to rattle off 10 in a row there. Just play Orioles, Tigers, Seattle, or KC (blue jays are improving) and you dont even have to bring your A team and you have 14 in a row.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Callaway: I bet 85 percent of our decisions go against the analytics. And that is how its always going to be, because that is just on paper. It doesnt take into account the person is a human being, how he performs in these big spots, all these things a manager looks at.
6:13 PM Aug 15, 2019Twitter Web App
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Callaway: I bet 85 percent of our decisions go against the analytics. And that is how its always going to be, because that is just on paper. It doesnt take into account the person is a human being, how he performs in these big spots, all these things a manager looks at.
6:13 PM Aug 15, 2019Twitter Web App
Mickey literally never looks at those things. Never.
We've come full circle.
Loved this:
Matt Ehalt
@MattEhalt
1m
Is it too early to pull Stroman for Lugo?
LOL