There are many good ones to choose from.
My opinion, is promoting Jerry Reese to general manager. He made a lot of decisions that set the franchise back, including hiring Marc Ross. Reese's built the team based on athletic playmakers, ignored the OL, failed on every late round pick (outside Bradshaw), gambled on a lot of players with previous injuries who only lasted 1 contract. I still remember when they drafted David Wilson I said "Luxury pick. We're not that good."
What do you think was the worst management decision?
This!
If Bill Belichick had become Giants head coach, FIVE-peat would be a thing and the Giants would have won over Superbowls in his tenure.
>:)
+1
And part of the overall roster decline was due to repeatedly spending high draft picks and FA resources on the OL, that could have been spent elsewhere (on defense) had we not kept whiffing on OL picks and signings.
[quote] wasn’t head coach material [/quote
This and his inability to adapt to free agency are why he should not be in the HOF
[quote] wasn’t head coach material [/quote
This and his inability to adapt to free agency are why he should not be in the HOF
I disagree about the HOF - IMO Young should definitely be in. You’re right about Belichick and free agency, but he rebuilt the Giants into a Super Bowl champion and perennial contender after the infamous “15 years of lousy football” era, while managing through the Mara family weirdness during that time.
The Ray Handley decision was a big one. Macadoo is up there as they should have cleaned house. Macadoo in a suit and slick hair was a classic.
The handling of Eli under Macadoo was just stupid and then the effort to fix it was embarrassing.
The handling of Simms and Hostetler.
Drafting Dave Brown in the supplemental draft set us back bigtime.
I dont know much about the Giants before the 80s but those teams seemed to be a disaster so there must be some big ones from them.
Agreed!!!! 2 rings isn't that bad
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[quote] wasn’t head coach material [/quote
This and his inability to adapt to free agency are why he should not be in the HOF
I disagree about the HOF - IMO Young should definitely be in. You’re right about Belichick and free agency, but he rebuilt the Giants into a Super Bowl champion and perennial contender after the infamous “15 years of lousy football” era, while managing through the Mara family weirdness during that time.
Those are good pts. But he let good players that had won a championship and could still play walk. He drafted Dave Brown and he prevented a return of Parcells.
He was a stubborn man who would not adjust, that s not HOF to me
#2, before my time, would be letting both Lombardi and Landry walk.
1) George Young not liking Bill Belichik and not grooming him to succeed Parcells
2) Dave Brown as the handpicked successor to Phil Simms
3) Not preparing/adapting to free agency spending spree that consumed the 90s (see cowboys and 49ers dominance of big name free agents - most exemplified by Deion Sanders winning Super Bowls for both teams) It took Accorsi a few years to right the ship....
That Coughlin Gilbride offense was humming, and we were making the playoffs nearly every year.
When the offensive line fell apart, it all fell apart, and 2011 was the last gasp.
I firmly believe that if they had kept that line young, fresh, and restocked BEFORE it completely came apart at the seams, we could have kept our run going.
That Coughlin Gilbride offense was humming, and we were making the playoffs nearly every year.
When the offensive line fell apart, it all fell apart, and 2011 was the last gasp.
I firmly believe that if they had kept that line young, fresh, and restocked BEFORE it completely came apart at the seams, we could have kept our run going.
This narrative is a pile of shit. The giants brass including Coughlin and Reese drafted and brought in FA’s and they just didn’t work out. Draft picks didn’t pan out and key FA signings got hurt. You can’t say they just never tried.
Winner. And it isn't close.
Lot's of second place ties after this one.
A fish rots from the head.
Moving on from Coughlin after 3 or 4 bad seasons was perfectly rational. Allowing the guy who constructed that dogshit roster to help choose his replacement was nonsensical. As was their decision to promote a first time HC who wasn't even all that good as an offensive coordinator.
That Coughlin Gilbride offense was humming, and we were making the playoffs nearly every year.
When the offensive line fell apart, it all fell apart, and 2011 was the last gasp.
I firmly believe that if they had kept that line young, fresh, and restocked BEFORE it completely came apart at the seams, we could have kept our run going.
I don't agree with this narrative. In 2009 he drafted Beatty who was supposed to be the future LT.
In 2010 he signed Shawn Andrews and that was also the year when Adam Koets had a really good stretch run at center that season, only to pop his ACL and never play again. Gotta believe if he doesn't then Reese doesn't overpay for a mediocre Kevin Baas.
He addressed the line, but none of his picks panned out for an established period of time. Pugh was hurt often and had one really good season, same with Richburg.
We all thought Flowers was promising in his rookie year and he regressed in many ways.
Wasn't for a lack of trying, he was just bad a analyzing offensive lineman. Wasn't a lack of trying, imo.
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when cracks started showing in 2009.
That Coughlin Gilbride offense was humming, and we were making the playoffs nearly every year.
When the offensive line fell apart, it all fell apart, and 2011 was the last gasp.
I firmly believe that if they had kept that line young, fresh, and restocked BEFORE it completely came apart at the seams, we could have kept our run going.
This narrative is a pile of shit. The giants brass including Coughlin and Reese drafted and brought in FA’s and they just didn’t work out. Draft picks didn’t pan out and key FA signings got hurt. You can’t say they just never tried.
“This isn’t just an overnight thing. People are acting like this just happened. This has been a buildup that needed to be addressed for a while.”
-Kevin Gilbride
So who am I going to believe? You? Or Kevin Gilbride?
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when cracks started showing in 2009.
That Coughlin Gilbride offense was humming, and we were making the playoffs nearly every year.
When the offensive line fell apart, it all fell apart, and 2011 was the last gasp.
I firmly believe that if they had kept that line young, fresh, and restocked BEFORE it completely came apart at the seams, we could have kept our run going.
I don't agree with this narrative. In 2009 he drafted Beatty who was supposed to be the future LT.
In 2010 he signed Shawn Andrews and that was also the year when Adam Koets had a really good stretch run at center that season, only to pop his ACL and never play again. Gotta believe if he doesn't then Reese doesn't overpay for a mediocre Kevin Baas.
He addressed the line, but none of his picks panned out for an established period of time. Pugh was hurt often and had one really good season, same with Richburg.
We all thought Flowers was promising in his rookie year and he regressed in many ways.
Wasn't for a lack of trying, he was just bad a analyzing offensive lineman. Wasn't a lack of trying, imo.
Beatty was a second round pick. Andrews had mental problems and we took a flyer on him.
We FINALLY spent a 1st round pick on O-line after 2013.
But come on, getting bamboozled by the Eagles to hire frigging Mcadoo, that was blatantly terrible hire at the time, frigging Mara/Tisch/Reese.
This.
Ironically, Go Terps might have been the loudest back then about neglect of the O-line going to cost them in the future. I remember him beating that drum loudly in 2009.
He was told he was full of shit then, too.
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when cracks started showing in 2009.
That Coughlin Gilbride offense was humming, and we were making the playoffs nearly every year.
When the offensive line fell apart, it all fell apart, and 2011 was the last gasp.
I firmly believe that if they had kept that line young, fresh, and restocked BEFORE it completely came apart at the seams, we could have kept our run going.
I don't agree with this narrative. In 2009 he drafted Beatty who was supposed to be the future LT.
In 2010 he signed Shawn Andrews and that was also the year when Adam Koets had a really good stretch run at center that season, only to pop his ACL and never play again. Gotta believe if he doesn't then Reese doesn't overpay for a mediocre Kevin Baas.
He addressed the line, but none of his picks panned out for an established period of time. Pugh was hurt often and had one really good season, same with Richburg.
We all thought Flowers was promising in his rookie year and he regressed in many ways.
Wasn't for a lack of trying, he was just bad a analyzing offensive lineman. Wasn't a lack of trying, imo.
Beatty was a second round pick. Andrews had mental problems and we took a flyer on him.
We FINALLY spent a 1st round pick on O-line after 2013.
Before 2013 (Pugh was drafted in the 2013 draft,so before the 2013 season).
I do think they waited on the OL too long and then the investment in the OL (which really can't be questioned - and that compounded things) and was loaded with misses (Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Omameh, etc.)
The Mara's have for the most part been a class act. I think some of their decisions are emotional/loyalty based and a more cut throat type probably would have taken a different course a few times.
Britt, I fully agree with you and the back end of TC and Eli's career would be viewed totally different.
I do remember reading he needed a few epidurals during the week just to play a game.
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when cracks started showing in 2009.
That Coughlin Gilbride offense was humming, and we were making the playoffs nearly every year.
When the offensive line fell apart, it all fell apart, and 2011 was the last gasp.
I firmly believe that if they had kept that line young, fresh, and restocked BEFORE it completely came apart at the seams, we could have kept our run going.
I don't agree with this narrative. In 2009 he drafted Beatty who was supposed to be the future LT.
In 2010 he signed Shawn Andrews and that was also the year when Adam Koets had a really good stretch run at center that season, only to pop his ACL and never play again. Gotta believe if he doesn't then Reese doesn't overpay for a mediocre Kevin Baas.
He addressed the line, but none of his picks panned out for an established period of time. Pugh was hurt often and had one really good season, same with Richburg.
We all thought Flowers was promising in his rookie year and he regressed in many ways.
Wasn't for a lack of trying, he was just bad a analyzing offensive lineman. Wasn't a lack of trying, imo.
Beatty was a second round pick. Andrews had mental problems and we took a flyer on him.
We FINALLY spent a 1st round pick on O-line after 2013.
Before 2013 (Pugh was drafted in the 2013 draft,so before the 2013 season).
I do think they waited on the OL too long and then the investment in the OL (which really can't be questioned - and that compounded things) and was loaded with misses (Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Omameh, etc.)
Agreed, which is why I qualified my initial statement as not ignored, but neglected when the signs started showing early
Richburg was a second-round
It forced Gilbride out and made us change our offense, which ultimately led to Ben McAdoo. It all goes back to failure to address the offensive line IN TIME. Complete lack of foresight.
I don't see how anybody can argue from that after fall from being the #1 rushing team in the entire league in 2008 to the 32nd ranked rushing offense in 2011.
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when cracks started showing in 2009.
That Coughlin Gilbride offense was humming, and we were making the playoffs nearly every year.
When the offensive line fell apart, it all fell apart, and 2011 was the last gasp.
I firmly believe that if they had kept that line young, fresh, and restocked BEFORE it completely came apart at the seams, we could have kept our run going.
I don't agree with this narrative. In 2009 he drafted Beatty who was supposed to be the future LT.
In 2010 he signed Shawn Andrews and that was also the year when Adam Koets had a really good stretch run at center that season, only to pop his ACL and never play again. Gotta believe if he doesn't then Reese doesn't overpay for a mediocre Kevin Baas.
He addressed the line, but none of his picks panned out for an established period of time. Pugh was hurt often and had one really good season, same with Richburg.
We all thought Flowers was promising in his rookie year and he regressed in many ways.
Wasn't for a lack of trying, he was just bad a analyzing offensive lineman. Wasn't a lack of trying, imo.
Beatty was a second round pick. Andrews had mental problems and we took a flyer on him.
We FINALLY spent a 1st round pick on O-line after 2013.
Before 2013 (Pugh was drafted in the 2013 draft,so before the 2013 season).
I do think they waited on the OL too long and then the investment in the OL (which really can't be questioned - and that compounded things) and was loaded with misses (Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Omameh, etc.)
Agreed, which is why I qualified my initial statement as not ignored, but neglected when the signs started showing early
So investing a 2nd round pick on Will Beatty in 2009 who wasn’t terrible when he played wasn’t a high enough draft pick for an Oline for you?!?