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BlueHurricane : 8/15/2019 11:39 am
Giants are going to stink. Probably should limit Saquan's touches this year because why would you beat up your only asset on a bad team. Why is Eli even starting at this point?

Darnold is going to be a top 10 QB this season and the Jets are going to be vastly improved.

I can't wait for this team to shove a monster shit burger up peoples asses.

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RE: RE: Tucker  
BIG FRED 1973 : 8/15/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14531141 cjac said:
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In comment 14531137 BIG FRED 1973 said:


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is a good listen but he is always down on the Giants it seems



Might have something to do with him playing for the Redskins and the Cowboys. However until this team shuts him up, he's not wrong
And he works for the Eagles now and grew up a die hard eagles fan lol He always was down on the Giants when he did that show on yes too about 10 years ago with Howard Cross
Over Under for Wins  
Samiam : 8/15/2019 12:12 pm : link
Much of Vegas has the Giants at 6 wins. Iíve seen even less. That bothers me more than anything else. Even if they are off by a lot, and they rarely are, winning 7 or 8 would be a big year especially winning more than 2 than last years win total is big.
RE: We aren't good  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14531158 Joey in VA said:
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We cleaned house, this is really year one of the re-build. We lost our top WR, DB and Edge rusher in one off-season and are relying on Golden Tate (suspended for 1/4 of the year), Jabrill Peppers and some combo of Ximines and Golden to make up for the losses. We have two older creaky OTs, an aging QB and a green secondary. We have a young and unestablished DL, not much at LB and we're in a division with two of the more talented teams in the NFC.

We are going to take a lot of lumps, but what this year is for is to gauge the growth of Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, McIntosh, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximines, Love, Ballentine, Connelly and the Slaytons. Those two drafts could be the foundation of a good team in a couple of years but in the mean time we're going to stink. The sooner we turn to Jones the better, but given the backward ass view of Mara on this, I'm not sure when we turn the page.

On the bright side, we have a trio of talented playmakers on offense who are still young, the potential to have a solid DL and vastly improved secondary once the young guys get up to snuff. We still have an ILB problem, but outside, Carter, Golden and Ximines have to provide some hope. If Connelly pans out that's 3/4 of a solid LB corps. We have some potential building blocks in place, now it's time to watching them grow and gel and yes, lose more than we win.


I second this.
Tucker grew up in the town I work in -Wyomissing, PA SEPA  
GiantBlue : 8/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
His father plays golf every week with one of the guys I watch the Giants with every Sunday. He told me Ross is really dedicated to his craft and wants to get around all the surface stuff to the nitty gritty. He was always a good listen on NFL Radio.

However, he is an unabashed Eagles fan and sure enjoys giving it to the Giants, Cowboys and Skins fans when he can. He would tone it down when on with Bob Papa, but when he was on with Booger.....Eli needed a full body shield.
I can understand being down on the Giants  
ZogZerg : 8/15/2019 12:16 pm : link
especially with the cowboys and eagles in the same division.

I just don't understand the lover for the Jets that I'm hearing from various folks. Especially when some of the same ones like the Bills.
Most media guys...  
Racer : 8/15/2019 12:17 pm : link
..that cover all 32 teams, and Tucker works as hard as anyone out there, seldom have a good sense of when the arrow is going to start to rotate upward. I would argue that Sy'56 or Nick T, for instance, know the NYG roster (in particular where significant upside lies) far, far better than Tucker does.

The national media is NOT, for example, making a comment on T.J. Jones being undersold as Sy did in his Jets game review.
Saying the Giants are going to be bad is one thing  
BSIMatt : 8/15/2019 12:27 pm : link
But saying the Jets are going to be vastly improved out of the other side of your mouth? Iíd like some of what heís smoking.
Darnold Top 10?  
BillKo : 8/15/2019 12:33 pm : link
That's sounds like a talking point you bring when you're doing NYC sports radio.............
RE: RE: We aren't good  
Chef : 8/15/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14531173 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14531158 Joey in VA said:


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We cleaned house, this is really year one of the re-build. We lost our top WR, DB and Edge rusher in one off-season and are relying on Golden Tate (suspended for 1/4 of the year), Jabrill Peppers and some combo of Ximines and Golden to make up for the losses. We have two older creaky OTs, an aging QB and a green secondary. We have a young and unestablished DL, not much at LB and we're in a division with two of the more talented teams in the NFC.

We are going to take a lot of lumps, but what this year is for is to gauge the growth of Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, McIntosh, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximines, Love, Ballentine, Connelly and the Slaytons. Those two drafts could be the foundation of a good team in a couple of years but in the mean time we're going to stink. The sooner we turn to Jones the better, but given the backward ass view of Mara on this, I'm not sure when we turn the page.

On the bright side, we have a trio of talented playmakers on offense who are still young, the potential to have a solid DL and vastly improved secondary once the young guys get up to snuff. We still have an ILB problem, but outside, Carter, Golden and Ximines have to provide some hope. If Connelly pans out that's 3/4 of a solid LB corps. We have some potential building blocks in place, now it's time to watching them grow and gel and yes, lose more than we win.



I second this.


I third this... spot on ...
RE: We aren't good  
Jimmy Googs : 8/15/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14531158 Joey in VA said:
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We cleaned house, this is really year one of the re-build. We lost our top WR, DB and Edge rusher in one off-season and are relying on Golden Tate (suspended for 1/4 of the year), Jabrill Peppers and some combo of Ximines and Golden to make up for the losses. We have two older creaky OTs, an aging QB and a green secondary. We have a young and unestablished DL, not much at LB and we're in a division with two of the more talented teams in the NFC.

We are going to take a lot of lumps, but what this year is for is to gauge the growth of Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, McIntosh, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximines, Love, Ballentine, Connelly and the Slaytons. Those two drafts could be the foundation of a good team in a couple of years but in the mean time we're going to stink. The sooner we turn to Jones the better, but given the backward ass view of Mara on this, I'm not sure when we turn the page.

On the bright side, we have a trio of talented playmakers on offense who are still young, the potential to have a solid DL and vastly improved secondary once the young guys get up to snuff. We still have an ILB problem, but outside, Carter, Golden and Ximines have to provide some hope. If Connelly pans out that's 3/4 of a solid LB corps. We have some potential building blocks in place, now it's time to watching them grow and gel and yes, lose more than we win.


sticky please...
Gotta wonder why these guys arenít millionaires  
map7711 : 8/15/2019 1:08 pm : link
If theyíre always right, live in Vegas and strike it rich.
Giants are going to surprise teams and pundits this year.
He's one of the biggest media Eli haters  
arniefez : 8/15/2019 1:09 pm : link
and has been for years. Seems to be the norm with ex NFL players when it comes to both Mannings but Eli is the easy target.

Unfortunately I think he's correct about the Giants. They stink and they should limit Barkley's touches and play Jones if they start out 0-2. But they won't do either.

If Tucker had any guts he'd speak to the Giants real issues which are in the owners box. But he won't.
Tucker has a legitimate pt  
joeinpa : 8/15/2019 1:20 pm : link
About why play Eli, arguments can be made on either side of that issue, but he s not alone.

But surprised that a former NFL player would insinuate a teams best player will be limited because the team stinks. He should understand coaches try to win every game and use any and all resources to attain that goal.
RE: Tucker grew up in the town I work in -Wyomissing, PA SEPA  
Tom in NY : 8/15/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14531174 GiantBlue said:
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His father plays golf every week with one of the guys I watch the Giants with every Sunday. He told me Ross is really dedicated to his craft and wants to get around all the surface stuff to the nitty gritty. He was always a good listen on NFL Radio.

However, he is an unabashed Eagles fan and sure enjoys giving it to the Giants, Cowboys and Skins fans when he can. He would tone it down when on with Bob Papa, but when he was on with Booger.....Eli needed a full body shield.


THIS!

I listened to RT for years on his SXM morning show. Liked a lot of what he does, but he absolutely sees the world through his green eagles' glasses. Add in, as others have mentioned, that he played for Wash & Dal, and you have a difficult time making the case that he can be a neutral observer.
Let them all predict gloom & doom for the Giants...if they're right, the Giants are picking at the top of next year's draft with a good core of young players, and salary cap room going into 2020. If they're wrong, there will be a ton of "freezing cold takes" to share with them .
I think heís probably spot on regarding whatís going to happen  
The_Boss : 8/15/2019 2:08 pm : link
This year. Iíd be all for limiting Barkleyís carries in the 2nd half if weíre totally out of it. Barkley is exactly what Tucker called him, a depreciable asset, as bad as that sounds.
Sounds like the same clowns  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/15/2019 2:29 pm : link
Who said Sanchez was the best QB in NY. Likely Russ Tucker was one of them. It's like a shared mental illness "pundits" often have.
RE: Sounds like the same clowns  
HomerJones45 : 8/15/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14531326 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Who said Sanchez was the best QB in NY. Likely Russ Tucker was one of them. It's like a shared mental illness "pundits" often have.
yes unlike the shared mental illness on this site who believe a team that offed itís vet talent on defense and are substituting a bunch of rookies, UFA and waiver wire pickups under the leadership of a HC who is trying to break through the magical 6 win barrier as a HC is going to make this great leap in improvement.

This team is a Barkeley sore leg away from being one of the worst in the aNFL
Tucker is the best at what he does IMO  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/15/2019 3:01 pm : link
and he's 100% right. I think people who see this team as a playoff contender this year are delusional and going to be very disappointed.
Bbi must have had a recent mass influx of Russ Tucker fanbois  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/15/2019 3:07 pm : link
Never crossed my mind he's a reliable analyst, Cowherd seems more reliable, better than Bayless though.
Gah  
Johnny5 : 8/15/2019 3:09 pm : link
So tired of the negativity. Suck it up Nancies.

Yeah, We are still up and coming but we will not suck this year.
Someone doesnt have to be an eagles fan  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2019 5:12 pm : link
To think this team isnt going to have a good season. We're just going to label everyone who isnt baging the table for 9 wins as a hater or ex-eagle player?
RE: Not for nothing,  
djm : 8/15/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14531130 rnargi said:
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but Ross Tucker usually is pretty spot on with his analysis. I don't particularly like his style, but his substance? I pay attention to it.


Heís usually unkind to the giants. He killed them prior to 2016. To be fair if you kill nyg lately youíre likely to be right.

Those bad teams that turn good usually surprise a lot of people along the way. This is how things work. Giants need to change the perception and narrative. Itís the only way to shut people up. Of course even if and when they do win there will still be more negativity than usual. But who cares.
Hard to argue  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 5:33 pm : link
with anything he said.

If Jones gets meaningful snaps this year and shows potential, the Giants could be 5-11 and still have a positive season.

I have yet to hear even one answer that makes even a little bit of sense to the question of why Eli is still on the team.

Mara, Gettleman and Shurmur are opening themselves up to a huge headache when there is no reason for it. Eli has very little to nothing left in the tank. He's not the present, he's not the future.

Mara being involved in it scares the hell out of me. The Giants had their get out of jail free card right in front of their face and had McAdoo to use as the scapegoat and they somehow fucked that up entirely.

Eli playing all 16 games this year is a nightmare scenario that John Mara is already preparing for. The only way it isn't a nightmare scenario is if he turns the clock back at least 5 years, and I probably have a better chance to hit the lottery than that does of happening.

I'm no fan of Gettleman or Shurmur whatsoever, but I dont think Eli is their call at all, I think this is almost 100% a John Mara decision and they have to go along with it. I know what they say publicly and they have to say publicly what they have, but those two guys have been around football forever, they know Eli has little left in the tank at this point.

This year to me, unless something unexpected happens and the Giants miraculously are good, is all about Daniel Jones. Just get him meaningful snaps, try not to let Saquon take a beating so he can save Shurmur's job, and have 2 guys to build around for 2020.

I really do love Eli. But the way this has been handled by the Giants (more specifically) John Mara has this headed for total disaster and a really, really sad way for what has been an amazing career as a Giant for Eli to end.
Look at the roster  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
I am not a fan of Gettleman because I don't like the way he is putting the roster. But this roster being lousy isn't just his fault. It's mostly the previous regime. Gettleman's legacy as Giants GM is tied to Jones. If he sucks, he'll be out of a job as a result. If he's good, he'll be praised as a GM. Saquon can stand on his head and run for 3k yards, but this teams future hinges on Jones. I'm very optimistic about Jones. Next off-season hopefully defensive end is priority #1, WR #2.

Looking at the roster for this year though. RB is the only position the Giants have elite talent. Hell even close to Elite talent. Guard is probably the 2nd strongest position on the team. Then defensive tackle possibly. Every other position group, in my opinion, is below average to awful. Hard to win in todays NFL with that kind of roster. A RB, regardless of how good he is, is not going to make you even close to being a contender.

I know some fans are always optimistic. That's fine. Personally I just can't imagine a scenario where the Giants are better than 7-9 this year. I think a ton will have to go right for 7-9 to happen too. I'd rather go 4-12 with Jones starting 12 games than go 7-9 with Eli starting all 16.

Eli starting all 16 games while the Giants are .500 or below is a nightmare scenario that John Mara may force on the GM and coach. Gettleman has a lot less to worry about when it comes to having a job in 2020, he's probably safe for 2020 regardless. But Shurmur may want Eli to play if he thinks he can win more games this year than Jones can, because Shurmur is probably coaching for his job this year. They go 5-11 and I'm not sure how anyone could justify bringing him back.

first sentence should read  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 5:48 pm : link
building the roster. Sorry
Tucker's a douche  
Torrag : 8/15/2019 5:50 pm : link
Any impartial comparison of the Giants and Jets reveals they are in a similar position. Both coming off bad years and rebuilding their franchises. Neither is likely to be a championship contender but are building towards playoff contention. They've had similar records the last two years and that should continue again. In fact I predict the winner of their regular season game will finish the season with a slightly better record.
People want everything now....what fans need to understand with  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2019 5:52 pm : link
how young this roster is, if they win 8 games next year it is a succesful season and it represents great things moving forward. Nobody is looking at this team and thinks playoff caliber roster. There is only one way you can overcome a roster like that and that is with elite level qb play. We know we aren't getting that.
Coughlin  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 6:02 pm : link
when it came to handling the Warner/Eli year had the security of that being his 1st year as well as having a solid resume as a head coach in the NFL.

Shurmur's first season was a total train wreck. His resume as a head coach is weak. If things go south again, adios. The Giants were horrible to start the year, then were ok for a bit and then the second it looked like they might have a chance to compete for a playoff spot, they totally shit the bed in the 2nd half in Philly.

Shurmur just seems like a good offensive coordinator that just doesnt have what it takes to be a head coach. There have been plenty of coaches like that. Plenty offensive coordinators who were even better as an OC than him that sucked as a head coach.

Every time John Mara speaks at this point it scares the shit out of me that he's the one directing this ship. Wish he would just stay entirely out of it. The handling of everything since the McAdoo/Geno Smith thing has been an epic disaster as far as Mara goes
Liked the posts by  
Bill2 : 8/15/2019 6:04 pm : link
Joey in VA and by Mook
RE: People want everything now....what fans need to understand with  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14531491 Zeke's Alibi said:
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how young this roster is, if they win 8 games next year it is a succesful season and it represents great things moving forward. Nobody is looking at this team and thinks playoff caliber roster. There is only one way you can overcome a roster like that and that is with elite level qb play. We know we aren't getting that.


They dont need to win 8 games for it to be a successful season. If Jones plays a handful of games and shows promise they can win 4 games and it would be a successful season.

I have little to no faith in Mara/Shurmur handling the Eli dynamic well. Bringing Eli back opened up the possibility of a shit show with very little possible reward. I'll never understand the decision.
This team is gonna suck.  
Mike from SI : 8/15/2019 6:10 pm : link
Sorry to say it....
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christian : 8/15/2019 6:19 pm : link
I would very much like every roster spot filled by a guy the management feels will be a part of the next championship, no exceptions.

The coaches on the field, the guys here just because they know the system, the good role models, the old glories -- that's just wasted space.

The roster is getting close -- but there are a few expensive guys I don't think meet that criteria -- Bethea, Jenkins, Manning, and Tate.
RE: RE: RE: Not for nothing,  
BestFeature : 8/15/2019 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14531147 rnargi said:
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but Ross Tucker usually is pretty spot on with his analysis. I don't particularly like his style, but his substance? I pay attention to it.



Well then probably best to just mail in the season. :-(



Lol I wouldn't go THAT far! Its a real Catch 22 with Eli. Don't want to unceremoniously dump him, but ready to move on to Jones. What to do? It's a quandary if the thought is they are not ready to contend for the playoffs


Worrying about unceremoniously dumping Eli is the mark of a loser franchise. Eli has earned a lot of money in his career, the Giants should do what's best for the Giants.
RE: RE: People want everything now....what fans need to understand with  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2019 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14531496 MookGiants said:
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In comment 14531491 Zeke's Alibi said:


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how young this roster is, if they win 8 games next year it is a succesful season and it represents great things moving forward. Nobody is looking at this team and thinks playoff caliber roster. There is only one way you can overcome a roster like that and that is with elite level qb play. We know we aren't getting that.



They dont need to win 8 games for it to be a successful season. If Jones plays a handful of games and shows promise they can win 4 games and it would be a successful season.

I have little to no faith in Mara/Shurmur handling the Eli dynamic well. Bringing Eli back opened up the possibility of a shit show with very little possible reward. I'll never understand the decision.


I totally disagree. The Giants schedule on paper is weak and most importantly the travel less than any other team in the NFL this year. If Jones plays and shows promise and still only win 4 games that is terrible news for the rest of the roster going forward unless Saquon got hurt in week 2. We are going to be able to run the ball and stop the run. That should be enough to win 6 games in the NFL.
RE: Tucker's a douche  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/15/2019 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14531488 Torrag said:
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Any impartial comparison of the Giants and Jets reveals they are in a similar position. Both coming off bad years and rebuilding their franchises. Neither is likely to be a championship contender but are building towards playoff contention. They've had similar records the last two years and that should continue again. In fact I predict the winner of their regular season game will finish the season with a slightly better record.

But but but Jets added Santonio Holm... I mean Leveon Bell.
RE:  
Gman11 : 8/15/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14531142 Enzo said:
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plenty of people feel the same way.


It's simple. With all the facts in front of them at this point in time, Eli is the better QB. He is in good shape. He has the experience. And, he's in the last year of his contract that pays him a boatload of money.

If Eli shows that his talent has deteriorated to the point that he can't win games then they will bring in Jones. Otherwise, they will be done with Eli's contract next year and it would be the time to let him go.
Just remember  
dep026 : 8/15/2019 7:19 pm : link
Playing an inferior player may not be popular with guys on the team. The guys on the team want to win. The guys on the team know Eliís rope is short.

So Jones will play if either scenario happens.
1. He is better than Eli
2. The giants are eliminated from the playoffs.

Thereís a good chance he plays but Iíll be shocked if he starts more than 5 games this year.
RE: Look at the roster  
ColHowPepper : 8/15/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14531485 MookGiants said:
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I am not a fan of Gettleman because I don't like the way he is putting the roster. But this roster being lousy isn't just his fault. It's mostly the previous regime....
Looking at the roster for this year though. RB is the only position the Giants have elite talent. Hell even close to Elite talent. Guard is probably the 2nd strongest position on the team. Then defensive tackle possibly. Every other position group, in my opinion, is below average to awful. Hard to win in todays NFL with that kind of roster. A RB, regardless of how good he is, is not going to make you even close to being a contender.
Mook, you say you're not a fan of DG's building the roster. But you then go on to say the elite/close to positions are RB, Guard ('18 2nd pick, Zeitler), and then the DL, possible (mostly DG, Hill and DL), and you don't mention the DBs. You say you like DJ.

He's in his 2nd year after inheriting what may have been the NFL's worst roster. What more/different should he have done for you to like it, w/o undoing the things you do like?
It's a bit of a catch 22 though  
ron mexico : 8/15/2019 7:37 pm : link
How can he prove he is better than Eli without playing?

And more to the point  
ron mexico : 8/15/2019 7:42 pm : link
How's he going to get better than Eli without playing?

My fear at this point is that we end up an 8-8 team this year and then take a step back next year as Jones learns the ropes.
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christian : 8/15/2019 7:42 pm : link
The legend of how bad the roster Gettleman inherited is quite entertaining at this point.

Maybe the roster was full as assholes, but there was plenty of talent on the roster.

Gettleman chose to tear down the team, and plenty of the guys he moved away from are still playing good football in the NFL.
RE: Hard to argue  
micky : 8/15/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14531477 MookGiants said:
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with anything he said.

If Jones gets meaningful snaps this year and shows potential, the Giants could be 5-11 and still have a positive season.

I have yet to hear even one answer that makes even a little bit of sense to the question of why Eli is still on the team.

Mara, Gettleman and Shurmur are opening themselves up to a huge headache when there is no reason for it. Eli has very little to nothing left in the tank. He's not the present, he's not the future.

Mara being involved in it scares the hell out of me. The Giants had their get out of jail free card right in front of their face and had McAdoo to use as the scapegoat and they somehow fucked that up entirely.

Eli playing all 16 games this year is a nightmare scenario that John Mara is already preparing for. The only way it isn't a nightmare scenario is if he turns the clock back at least 5 years, and I probably have a better chance to hit the lottery than that does of happening.

I'm no fan of Gettleman or Shurmur whatsoever, but I dont think Eli is their call at all, I think this is almost 100% a John Mara decision and they have to go along with it. I know what they say publicly and they have to say publicly what they have, but those two guys have been around football forever, they know Eli has little left in the tank at this point.

This year to me, unless something unexpected happens and the Giants miraculously are good, is all about Daniel Jones. Just get him meaningful snaps, try not to let Saquon take a beating so he can save Shurmur's job, and have 2 guys to build around for 2020.

I really do love Eli. But the way this has been handled by the Giants (more specifically) John Mara has this headed for total disaster and a really, really sad way for what has been an amazing career as a Giant for Eli to end.



The mess up was not shooting for next yrs qb class. Should've bit the bullet this season (which in all likely will this season) and drafted Dl ie and went with Eli this yr as his absolute last season win or lose. Jones ..better hope he's a real deal..or it'll be the biggest blemish on this org for lifetime hereafter.
RE: It's a bit of a catch 22 though  
dep026 : 8/15/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14531546 ron mexico said:
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How can he prove he is better than Eli without playing?


Eli struggling in games. DJ getting more first team reps, etc.
RE: Hard to argue  
joeinpa : 8/15/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14531477 MookGiants said:
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with anything he said.

If Jones gets meaningful snaps this year and shows potential, the Giants could be 5-11 and still have a positive season.

I have yet to hear even one answer that makes even a little bit of sense to the question of why Eli is still on the team.

Mara, Gettleman and Shurmur are opening themselves up to a huge headache when there is no reason for it. Eli has very little to nothing left in the tank. He's not the present, he's not the future.

Mara being involved in it scares the hell out of me. The Giants had their get out of jail free card right in front of their face and had McAdoo to use as the scapegoat and they somehow fucked that up entirely.

Eli playing all 16 games this year is a nightmare scenario that John Mara is already preparing for. The only way it isn't a nightmare scenario is if he turns the clock back at least 5 years, and I probably have a better chance to hit the lottery than that does of happening.

I'm no fan of Gettleman or Shurmur whatsoever, but I dont think Eli is their call at all, I think this is almost 100% a John Mara decision and they have to go along with it. I know what they say publicly and they have to say publicly what they have, but those two guys have been around football forever, they know Eli has little left in the tank at this point.

This year to me, unless something unexpected happens and the Giants miraculously are good, is all about Daniel Jones. Just get him meaningful snaps, try not to let Saquon take a beating so he can save Shurmur's job, and have 2 guys to build around for 2020.

I really do love Eli. But the way this has been handled by the Giants (more specifically) John Mara has this headed for total disaster and a really, really sad way for what has been an amazing career as a Giant for Eli to end.


I find the notion that Mara would overrule his GM and coach by forcing Eli on them difficult to believe. Mara might love Eli, but he loves the Giants more. You speak as fact that Gettleman and Shurmur know Eli is done to make your case, it is obviously an opinion.

They might be wrong about Eli, but I m pretty convinced the general consensus of all three is that he can still play, and they can win with him this year.

There is much precedent for #1 picks sitting behind established starters, it s narrow minded to not even consider this might be even more beneficial to Jones than baptism by fire.

I d be fine with Jones starting and Eli gone, but it s not ridiculous to begin year with Eli.
It's probably not so much overrule  
ron mexico : 8/15/2019 8:18 pm : link
As it is him bringing in likeminded people.
joeinpa  
Gman11 : 8/16/2019 6:56 am : link
Exactly.

People, including those in the media, screamed that the Giants were wasting Eli's talent by surrounding him with inferior players. Well, now they should have a decent OL and have the best RB in the NFL. Give Eli a chance to prove them right or wrong. If he can't do it any more, then go with Jones.
Maras comments are terrifying  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/16/2019 10:39 am : link
Eli will quickly become the elephant in the room. Him starting at this point is a detriment to the teams long term success unless DJ is absolutely not ready. Mara is pandering to the portion of the fanbase that canít let go
Eli is playing this year because he wants to win another SB  
GeofromNJ : 8/16/2019 11:15 am : link
and go out a winner. Every year, Eli thinks the Giants can go all the way with him under center. Mara doesn't want Jones to start because this will indicate the Giants are mailing in the season.
Ross Tucker a disgrace  
giantstock : 8/17/2019 4:30 am : link
Hey-- I think GMen will only be 6-10 and I think Darnold will be "at least" a "good" QB-- his suggestion to sit SB because thye will stink is so moronic.

I want to see my team win. What an asshole for trying to compare football management with hedge fund management as justification to not playing Barkley. It's one thing for him to be an asshole for suggesting it but to be stupid too is beyond idiotic.

To start the season you play to win. It'c COMPETITION. It;s a disgrace they allow that guy air time.

The GMEN have a chance. You don't give up before the season starts.
RE: Ross Tucker a disgrace  
giantstock : 8/17/2019 4:38 am : link
In comment 14533503 giantstock said:
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Hey-- I think GMen will only be 6-10 and I think Darnold will be "at least" a "good" QB-- his suggestion to sit SB because thye will stink is so moronic.

I want to see my team win. What an asshole for trying to compare football management with hedge fund management as justification to not playing Barkley. It's one thing for him to be an asshole for suggesting it but to be stupid too is beyond idiotic.

To start the season you play to win. It'c COMPETITION. It;s a disgrace they allow that guy air time.

The GMEN have a chance. You don't give up before the season starts.


Regards to Darnold I meant for his career not necessarily this year.
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