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BlueHurricane : 8/15/2019 11:39 am
Giants are going to stink. Probably should limit Saquan's touches this year because why would you beat up your only asset on a bad team. Why is Eli even starting at this point?

Darnold is going to be a top 10 QB this season and the Jets are going to be vastly improved.

I can't wait for this team to shove a monster shit burger up peoples asses.

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We do best when  
Rudy5757 : 8/15/2019 11:45 am : link
we are the underdog. Let them pile on.
Not for nothing,  
rnargi : 8/15/2019 11:47 am : link
but Ross Tucker usually is pretty spot on with his analysis. I don't particularly like his style, but his substance? I pay attention to it.
RE: Not for nothing,  
BlueHurricane : 8/15/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14531130 rnargi said:
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but Ross Tucker usually is pretty spot on with his analysis. I don't particularly like his style, but his substance? I pay attention to it.


Well then probably best to just mail in the season. :-(
I cant say I disagree with anything Tucker said  
cjac : 8/15/2019 11:50 am : link
the truth of the matter is the Giants are going to stink until the dont

Hell even John Mara implied that he'd be happy with "improving by the end of the season"

He knows football, he knows his team and even he is not expecting to make the playoffs
Tucker  
BIG FRED 1973 : 8/15/2019 11:50 am : link
is a good listen but he is always down on the Giants it seems
I'm sure the Jets will be vastly improved  
Jay on the Island : 8/15/2019 11:52 am : link
because they were pretty awful last year so that shouldn't be too hard. As for Darnold being a top 10 QB this season I think that's a stretch. I think Darnold will be a franchise QB but with the lack of weapons and a suspect offensive line I think he won't crack the top 10 just yet.

Of course a certain Jets fan will pop up telling us how Darnold is already a top 10 QB and destined for the HOF.
RE: Tucker  
cjac : 8/15/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14531137 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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is a good listen but he is always down on the Giants it seems


Might have something to do with him playing for the Redskins and the Cowboys. However until this team shuts him up, he's not wrong
"Why is Eli even starting at this point?"  
Enzo : 8/15/2019 11:53 am : link
plenty of people feel the same way.
RE: I'm sure the Jets will be vastly improved  
cjac : 8/15/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14531138 Jay on the Island said:
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because they were pretty awful last year so that shouldn't be too hard. As for Darnold being a top 10 QB this season I think that's a stretch. I think Darnold will be a franchise QB but with the lack of weapons and a suspect offensive line I think he won't crack the top 10 just yet.

Of course a certain Jets fan will pop up telling us how Darnold is already a top 10 QB and destined for the HOF.


Having L Bell alone will help Darnold, and I think he's a good QB, but lets see if he can limit the turnovers
Burden of proof is on the Giants at this point  
bigbluehoya : 8/15/2019 11:54 am : link
we'd all love for him to be wrong. Hard to ostracize anyone for that take, though, at the moment.
RE: RE: Not for nothing,  
rnargi : 8/15/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14531134 BlueHurricane said:
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In comment 14531130 rnargi said:


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but Ross Tucker usually is pretty spot on with his analysis. I don't particularly like his style, but his substance? I pay attention to it.



Well then probably best to just mail in the season. :-(


Lol I wouldn't go THAT far! Its a real Catch 22 with Eli. Don't want to unceremoniously dump him, but ready to move on to Jones. What to do? It's a quandary if the thought is they are not ready to contend for the playoffs
Tucker is definitely better than most when it comes  
figgy2989 : 8/15/2019 11:55 am : link
to analysis.

That said, he is someone who covers the NFL as a whole and like most "experts" out there, they all think the Giants aren't going to be very good. To be honest, they might be trending in the right direction, but there is nothing this team has done the last two years that would make you think they are immediately a playoff caliber team.
Realistically  
mittenedman : 8/15/2019 12:00 pm : link
he's probably right. Stink isn't the word but this Defense very well could stink.

I don't care how dominant Dexter Lawrence and some of the DBs are - if you can't rush the passer in this league you are in big trouble. Hoping we see SOMETHING out of the pass rush tomorrow because they didn't sniff Darnold or any of the Jets QBs.
RE: We do best when  
mfsd : 8/15/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14531129 Rudy5757 said:
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we are the underdog. Let them pile on.


+1
RE: We do best when  
Jimmy Googs : 8/15/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14531129 Rudy5757 said:
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we are the underdog. Let them pile on.


Correction.

We did do best when we were the underdog. All we have done lately is create a pile...
RE: RE: I'm sure the Jets will be vastly improved  
Nine-Tails : 8/15/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14531143 cjac said:
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In comment 14531138 Jay on the Island said:


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because they were pretty awful last year so that shouldn't be too hard. As for Darnold being a top 10 QB this season I think that's a stretch. I think Darnold will be a franchise QB but with the lack of weapons and a suspect offensive line I think he won't crack the top 10 just yet.

Of course a certain Jets fan will pop up telling us how Darnold is already a top 10 QB and destined for the HOF.



Having L Bell alone will help Darnold, and I think he's a good QB, but lets see if he can limit the turnovers


A lot of people are high on the jets and I think much has to do with Darnolds progression. I think he's good but it seems like everyone is anointing him. Aside from Bell and big Q, I though they overpaid for B talent and they have lot of holes still
We aren't good  
Joey in VA : 8/15/2019 12:06 pm : link
We cleaned house, this is really year one of the re-build. We lost our top WR, DB and Edge rusher in one off-season and are relying on Golden Tate (suspended for 1/4 of the year), Jabrill Peppers and some combo of Ximines and Golden to make up for the losses. We have two older creaky OTs, an aging QB and a green secondary. We have a young and unestablished DL, not much at LB and we're in a division with two of the more talented teams in the NFC.

We are going to take a lot of lumps, but what this year is for is to gauge the growth of Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, McIntosh, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximines, Love, Ballentine, Connelly and the Slaytons. Those two drafts could be the foundation of a good team in a couple of years but in the mean time we're going to stink. The sooner we turn to Jones the better, but given the backward ass view of Mara on this, I'm not sure when we turn the page.

On the bright side, we have a trio of talented playmakers on offense who are still young, the potential to have a solid DL and vastly improved secondary once the young guys get up to snuff. We still have an ILB problem, but outside, Carter, Golden and Ximines have to provide some hope. If Connelly pans out that's 3/4 of a solid LB corps. We have some potential building blocks in place, now it's time to watching them grow and gel and yes, lose more than we win.
RE: RE: Tucker  
FranknWeezer : 8/15/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14531141 cjac said:
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In comment 14531137 BIG FRED 1973 said:


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is a good listen but he is always down on the Giants it seems



Might have something to do with him playing for the Redskins and the Cowboys. However until this team shuts him up, he's not wrong


I'm a big Ross Tucker fan. Been listening to all his podcasts for the past 5-6 years. Loved him on Sirius. Post stuff of his here often. He's really smart and I value his analysis. But he's never...NEVER...liked anything about the Giants. Of course, in that time span, we have sucked. Also remember, Ross is a dyed-in-the-wool Eagles fan from Wyomissing, PA. And on top of that, now he's a commentator for the Eagles' preseason games. So he's an employee of the team, too.
RE: RE: Tucker  
BIG FRED 1973 : 8/15/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14531141 cjac said:
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In comment 14531137 BIG FRED 1973 said:


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is a good listen but he is always down on the Giants it seems



Might have something to do with him playing for the Redskins and the Cowboys. However until this team shuts him up, he's not wrong
And he works for the Eagles now and grew up a die hard eagles fan lol He always was down on the Giants when he did that show on yes too about 10 years ago with Howard Cross
Over Under for Wins  
Samiam : 8/15/2019 12:12 pm : link
Much of Vegas has the Giants at 6 wins. I’ve seen even less. That bothers me more than anything else. Even if they are off by a lot, and they rarely are, winning 7 or 8 would be a big year especially winning more than 2 than last years win total is big.
RE: We aren't good  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14531158 Joey in VA said:
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We cleaned house, this is really year one of the re-build. We lost our top WR, DB and Edge rusher in one off-season and are relying on Golden Tate (suspended for 1/4 of the year), Jabrill Peppers and some combo of Ximines and Golden to make up for the losses. We have two older creaky OTs, an aging QB and a green secondary. We have a young and unestablished DL, not much at LB and we're in a division with two of the more talented teams in the NFC.

We are going to take a lot of lumps, but what this year is for is to gauge the growth of Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, McIntosh, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximines, Love, Ballentine, Connelly and the Slaytons. Those two drafts could be the foundation of a good team in a couple of years but in the mean time we're going to stink. The sooner we turn to Jones the better, but given the backward ass view of Mara on this, I'm not sure when we turn the page.

On the bright side, we have a trio of talented playmakers on offense who are still young, the potential to have a solid DL and vastly improved secondary once the young guys get up to snuff. We still have an ILB problem, but outside, Carter, Golden and Ximines have to provide some hope. If Connelly pans out that's 3/4 of a solid LB corps. We have some potential building blocks in place, now it's time to watching them grow and gel and yes, lose more than we win.


I second this.
Tucker grew up in the town I work in -Wyomissing, PA SEPA  
GiantBlue : 8/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
His father plays golf every week with one of the guys I watch the Giants with every Sunday. He told me Ross is really dedicated to his craft and wants to get around all the surface stuff to the nitty gritty. He was always a good listen on NFL Radio.

However, he is an unabashed Eagles fan and sure enjoys giving it to the Giants, Cowboys and Skins fans when he can. He would tone it down when on with Bob Papa, but when he was on with Booger.....Eli needed a full body shield.
I can understand being down on the Giants  
ZogZerg : 8/15/2019 12:16 pm : link
especially with the cowboys and eagles in the same division.

I just don't understand the lover for the Jets that I'm hearing from various folks. Especially when some of the same ones like the Bills.
Most media guys...  
Racer : 8/15/2019 12:17 pm : link
..that cover all 32 teams, and Tucker works as hard as anyone out there, seldom have a good sense of when the arrow is going to start to rotate upward. I would argue that Sy'56 or Nick T, for instance, know the NYG roster (in particular where significant upside lies) far, far better than Tucker does.

The national media is NOT, for example, making a comment on T.J. Jones being undersold as Sy did in his Jets game review.
Saying the Giants are going to be bad is one thing  
BSIMatt : 8/15/2019 12:27 pm : link
But saying the Jets are going to be vastly improved out of the other side of your mouth? I’d like some of what he’s smoking.
Darnold Top 10?  
BillKo : 8/15/2019 12:33 pm : link
That's sounds like a talking point you bring when you're doing NYC sports radio.............
RE: RE: We aren't good  
Chef : 8/15/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14531173 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14531158 Joey in VA said:


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We cleaned house, this is really year one of the re-build. We lost our top WR, DB and Edge rusher in one off-season and are relying on Golden Tate (suspended for 1/4 of the year), Jabrill Peppers and some combo of Ximines and Golden to make up for the losses. We have two older creaky OTs, an aging QB and a green secondary. We have a young and unestablished DL, not much at LB and we're in a division with two of the more talented teams in the NFC.

We are going to take a lot of lumps, but what this year is for is to gauge the growth of Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, McIntosh, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximines, Love, Ballentine, Connelly and the Slaytons. Those two drafts could be the foundation of a good team in a couple of years but in the mean time we're going to stink. The sooner we turn to Jones the better, but given the backward ass view of Mara on this, I'm not sure when we turn the page.

On the bright side, we have a trio of talented playmakers on offense who are still young, the potential to have a solid DL and vastly improved secondary once the young guys get up to snuff. We still have an ILB problem, but outside, Carter, Golden and Ximines have to provide some hope. If Connelly pans out that's 3/4 of a solid LB corps. We have some potential building blocks in place, now it's time to watching them grow and gel and yes, lose more than we win.



I second this.


I third this... spot on ...
RE: We aren't good  
Jimmy Googs : 8/15/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14531158 Joey in VA said:
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We cleaned house, this is really year one of the re-build. We lost our top WR, DB and Edge rusher in one off-season and are relying on Golden Tate (suspended for 1/4 of the year), Jabrill Peppers and some combo of Ximines and Golden to make up for the losses. We have two older creaky OTs, an aging QB and a green secondary. We have a young and unestablished DL, not much at LB and we're in a division with two of the more talented teams in the NFC.

We are going to take a lot of lumps, but what this year is for is to gauge the growth of Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, McIntosh, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximines, Love, Ballentine, Connelly and the Slaytons. Those two drafts could be the foundation of a good team in a couple of years but in the mean time we're going to stink. The sooner we turn to Jones the better, but given the backward ass view of Mara on this, I'm not sure when we turn the page.

On the bright side, we have a trio of talented playmakers on offense who are still young, the potential to have a solid DL and vastly improved secondary once the young guys get up to snuff. We still have an ILB problem, but outside, Carter, Golden and Ximines have to provide some hope. If Connelly pans out that's 3/4 of a solid LB corps. We have some potential building blocks in place, now it's time to watching them grow and gel and yes, lose more than we win.


sticky please...
Gotta wonder why these guys aren’t millionaires  
map7711 : 8/15/2019 1:08 pm : link
If they’re always right, live in Vegas and strike it rich.
Giants are going to surprise teams and pundits this year.
He's one of the biggest media Eli haters  
arniefez : 8/15/2019 1:09 pm : link
and has been for years. Seems to be the norm with ex NFL players when it comes to both Mannings but Eli is the easy target.

Unfortunately I think he's correct about the Giants. They stink and they should limit Barkley's touches and play Jones if they start out 0-2. But they won't do either.

If Tucker had any guts he'd speak to the Giants real issues which are in the owners box. But he won't.
Tucker has a legitimate pt  
joeinpa : 8/15/2019 1:20 pm : link
About why play Eli, arguments can be made on either side of that issue, but he s not alone.

But surprised that a former NFL player would insinuate a teams best player will be limited because the team stinks. He should understand coaches try to win every game and use any and all resources to attain that goal.
RE: Tucker grew up in the town I work in -Wyomissing, PA SEPA  
Tom in NY : 8/15/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14531174 GiantBlue said:
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His father plays golf every week with one of the guys I watch the Giants with every Sunday. He told me Ross is really dedicated to his craft and wants to get around all the surface stuff to the nitty gritty. He was always a good listen on NFL Radio.

However, he is an unabashed Eagles fan and sure enjoys giving it to the Giants, Cowboys and Skins fans when he can. He would tone it down when on with Bob Papa, but when he was on with Booger.....Eli needed a full body shield.


THIS!

I listened to RT for years on his SXM morning show. Liked a lot of what he does, but he absolutely sees the world through his green eagles' glasses. Add in, as others have mentioned, that he played for Wash & Dal, and you have a difficult time making the case that he can be a neutral observer.
Let them all predict gloom & doom for the Giants...if they're right, the Giants are picking at the top of next year's draft with a good core of young players, and salary cap room going into 2020. If they're wrong, there will be a ton of "freezing cold takes" to share with them .
I think he’s probably spot on regarding what’s going to happen  
The_Boss : 8/15/2019 2:08 pm : link
This year. I’d be all for limiting Barkley’s carries in the 2nd half if we’re totally out of it. Barkley is exactly what Tucker called him, a depreciable asset, as bad as that sounds.
Sounds like the same clowns  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/15/2019 2:29 pm : link
Who said Sanchez was the best QB in NY. Likely Russ Tucker was one of them. It's like a shared mental illness "pundits" often have.
RE: Sounds like the same clowns  
HomerJones45 : 8/15/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14531326 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Who said Sanchez was the best QB in NY. Likely Russ Tucker was one of them. It's like a shared mental illness "pundits" often have.
yes unlike the shared mental illness on this site who believe a team that offed it’s vet talent on defense and are substituting a bunch of rookies, UFA and waiver wire pickups under the leadership of a HC who is trying to break through the magical 6 win barrier as a HC is going to make this great leap in improvement.

This team is a Barkeley sore leg away from being one of the worst in the aNFL
Tucker is the best at what he does IMO  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/15/2019 3:01 pm : link
and he's 100% right. I think people who see this team as a playoff contender this year are delusional and going to be very disappointed.
Bbi must have had a recent mass influx of Russ Tucker fanbois  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/15/2019 3:07 pm : link
Never crossed my mind he's a reliable analyst, Cowherd seems more reliable, better than Bayless though.
Gah  
Johnny5 : 8/15/2019 3:09 pm : link
So tired of the negativity. Suck it up Nancies.

Yeah, We are still up and coming but we will not suck this year.
Someone doesnt have to be an eagles fan  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2019 5:12 pm : link
To think this team isnt going to have a good season. We're just going to label everyone who isnt baging the table for 9 wins as a hater or ex-eagle player?
RE: Not for nothing,  
djm : 8/15/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14531130 rnargi said:
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but Ross Tucker usually is pretty spot on with his analysis. I don't particularly like his style, but his substance? I pay attention to it.


He’s usually unkind to the giants. He killed them prior to 2016. To be fair if you kill nyg lately you’re likely to be right.

Those bad teams that turn good usually surprise a lot of people along the way. This is how things work. Giants need to change the perception and narrative. It’s the only way to shut people up. Of course even if and when they do win there will still be more negativity than usual. But who cares.
Hard to argue  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 5:33 pm : link
with anything he said.

If Jones gets meaningful snaps this year and shows potential, the Giants could be 5-11 and still have a positive season.

I have yet to hear even one answer that makes even a little bit of sense to the question of why Eli is still on the team.

Mara, Gettleman and Shurmur are opening themselves up to a huge headache when there is no reason for it. Eli has very little to nothing left in the tank. He's not the present, he's not the future.

Mara being involved in it scares the hell out of me. The Giants had their get out of jail free card right in front of their face and had McAdoo to use as the scapegoat and they somehow fucked that up entirely.

Eli playing all 16 games this year is a nightmare scenario that John Mara is already preparing for. The only way it isn't a nightmare scenario is if he turns the clock back at least 5 years, and I probably have a better chance to hit the lottery than that does of happening.

I'm no fan of Gettleman or Shurmur whatsoever, but I dont think Eli is their call at all, I think this is almost 100% a John Mara decision and they have to go along with it. I know what they say publicly and they have to say publicly what they have, but those two guys have been around football forever, they know Eli has little left in the tank at this point.

This year to me, unless something unexpected happens and the Giants miraculously are good, is all about Daniel Jones. Just get him meaningful snaps, try not to let Saquon take a beating so he can save Shurmur's job, and have 2 guys to build around for 2020.

I really do love Eli. But the way this has been handled by the Giants (more specifically) John Mara has this headed for total disaster and a really, really sad way for what has been an amazing career as a Giant for Eli to end.
Look at the roster  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
I am not a fan of Gettleman because I don't like the way he is putting the roster. But this roster being lousy isn't just his fault. It's mostly the previous regime. Gettleman's legacy as Giants GM is tied to Jones. If he sucks, he'll be out of a job as a result. If he's good, he'll be praised as a GM. Saquon can stand on his head and run for 3k yards, but this teams future hinges on Jones. I'm very optimistic about Jones. Next off-season hopefully defensive end is priority #1, WR #2.

Looking at the roster for this year though. RB is the only position the Giants have elite talent. Hell even close to Elite talent. Guard is probably the 2nd strongest position on the team. Then defensive tackle possibly. Every other position group, in my opinion, is below average to awful. Hard to win in todays NFL with that kind of roster. A RB, regardless of how good he is, is not going to make you even close to being a contender.

I know some fans are always optimistic. That's fine. Personally I just can't imagine a scenario where the Giants are better than 7-9 this year. I think a ton will have to go right for 7-9 to happen too. I'd rather go 4-12 with Jones starting 12 games than go 7-9 with Eli starting all 16.

Eli starting all 16 games while the Giants are .500 or below is a nightmare scenario that John Mara may force on the GM and coach. Gettleman has a lot less to worry about when it comes to having a job in 2020, he's probably safe for 2020 regardless. But Shurmur may want Eli to play if he thinks he can win more games this year than Jones can, because Shurmur is probably coaching for his job this year. They go 5-11 and I'm not sure how anyone could justify bringing him back.

first sentence should read  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 5:48 pm : link
building the roster. Sorry
Tucker's a douche  
Torrag : 8/15/2019 5:50 pm : link
Any impartial comparison of the Giants and Jets reveals they are in a similar position. Both coming off bad years and rebuilding their franchises. Neither is likely to be a championship contender but are building towards playoff contention. They've had similar records the last two years and that should continue again. In fact I predict the winner of their regular season game will finish the season with a slightly better record.
People want everything now....what fans need to understand with  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2019 5:52 pm : link
how young this roster is, if they win 8 games next year it is a succesful season and it represents great things moving forward. Nobody is looking at this team and thinks playoff caliber roster. There is only one way you can overcome a roster like that and that is with elite level qb play. We know we aren't getting that.
Coughlin  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 6:02 pm : link
when it came to handling the Warner/Eli year had the security of that being his 1st year as well as having a solid resume as a head coach in the NFL.

Shurmur's first season was a total train wreck. His resume as a head coach is weak. If things go south again, adios. The Giants were horrible to start the year, then were ok for a bit and then the second it looked like they might have a chance to compete for a playoff spot, they totally shit the bed in the 2nd half in Philly.

Shurmur just seems like a good offensive coordinator that just doesnt have what it takes to be a head coach. There have been plenty of coaches like that. Plenty offensive coordinators who were even better as an OC than him that sucked as a head coach.

Every time John Mara speaks at this point it scares the shit out of me that he's the one directing this ship. Wish he would just stay entirely out of it. The handling of everything since the McAdoo/Geno Smith thing has been an epic disaster as far as Mara goes
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Bill2 : 8/15/2019 6:04 pm : link
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RE: People want everything now....what fans need to understand with  
MookGiants : 8/15/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14531491 Zeke's Alibi said:
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how young this roster is, if they win 8 games next year it is a succesful season and it represents great things moving forward. Nobody is looking at this team and thinks playoff caliber roster. There is only one way you can overcome a roster like that and that is with elite level qb play. We know we aren't getting that.


They dont need to win 8 games for it to be a successful season. If Jones plays a handful of games and shows promise they can win 4 games and it would be a successful season.

I have little to no faith in Mara/Shurmur handling the Eli dynamic well. Bringing Eli back opened up the possibility of a shit show with very little possible reward. I'll never understand the decision.
This team is gonna suck.  
Mike from SI : 8/15/2019 6:10 pm : link
Sorry to say it....
...  
christian : 8/15/2019 6:19 pm : link
I would very much like every roster spot filled by a guy the management feels will be a part of the next championship, no exceptions.

The coaches on the field, the guys here just because they know the system, the good role models, the old glories -- that's just wasted space.

The roster is getting close -- but there are a few expensive guys I don't think meet that criteria -- Bethea, Jenkins, Manning, and Tate.
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