Giants are going to stink. Probably should limit Saquan's touches this year because why would you beat up your only asset on a bad team. Why is Eli even starting at this point?
Darnold is going to be a top 10 QB this season and the Jets are going to be vastly improved.
I can't wait for this team to shove a monster shit burger up peoples asses.
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but Ross Tucker usually is pretty spot on with his analysis. I don't particularly like his style, but his substance? I pay attention to it.
Well then probably best to just mail in the season. :-(
Lol I wouldn't go THAT far! Its a real Catch 22 with Eli. Don't want to unceremoniously dump him, but ready to move on to Jones. What to do? It's a quandary if the thought is they are not ready to contend for the playoffs
Worrying about unceremoniously dumping Eli is the mark of a loser franchise. Eli has earned a lot of money in his career, the Giants should do what's best for the Giants.
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how young this roster is, if they win 8 games next year it is a succesful season and it represents great things moving forward. Nobody is looking at this team and thinks playoff caliber roster. There is only one way you can overcome a roster like that and that is with elite level qb play. We know we aren't getting that.
They dont need to win 8 games for it to be a successful season. If Jones plays a handful of games and shows promise they can win 4 games and it would be a successful season.
I have little to no faith in Mara/Shurmur handling the Eli dynamic well. Bringing Eli back opened up the possibility of a shit show with very little possible reward. I'll never understand the decision.
I totally disagree. The Giants schedule on paper is weak and most importantly the travel less than any other team in the NFL this year. If Jones plays and shows promise and still only win 4 games that is terrible news for the rest of the roster going forward unless Saquon got hurt in week 2. We are going to be able to run the ball and stop the run. That should be enough to win 6 games in the NFL.
But but but Jets added Santonio Holm... I mean Leveon Bell.
It's simple. With all the facts in front of them at this point in time, Eli is the better QB. He is in good shape. He has the experience. And, he's in the last year of his contract that pays him a boatload of money.
If Eli shows that his talent has deteriorated to the point that he can't win games then they will bring in Jones. Otherwise, they will be done with Eli's contract next year and it would be the time to let him go.
So Jones will play if either scenario happens.
1. He is better than Eli
2. The giants are eliminated from the playoffs.
There’s a good chance he plays but I’ll be shocked if he starts more than 5 games this year.
Looking at the roster for this year though. RB is the only position the Giants have elite talent. Hell even close to Elite talent. Guard is probably the 2nd strongest position on the team. Then defensive tackle possibly. Every other position group, in my opinion, is below average to awful. Hard to win in todays NFL with that kind of roster. A RB, regardless of how good he is, is not going to make you even close to being a contender.
He's in his 2nd year after inheriting what may have been the NFL's worst roster. What more/different should he have done for you to like it, w/o undoing the things you do like?
My fear at this point is that we end up an 8-8 team this year and then take a step back next year as Jones learns the ropes.
Maybe the roster was full as assholes, but there was plenty of talent on the roster.
Gettleman chose to tear down the team, and plenty of the guys he moved away from are still playing good football in the NFL.
If Jones gets meaningful snaps this year and shows potential, the Giants could be 5-11 and still have a positive season.
I have yet to hear even one answer that makes even a little bit of sense to the question of why Eli is still on the team.
Mara, Gettleman and Shurmur are opening themselves up to a huge headache when there is no reason for it. Eli has very little to nothing left in the tank. He's not the present, he's not the future.
Mara being involved in it scares the hell out of me. The Giants had their get out of jail free card right in front of their face and had McAdoo to use as the scapegoat and they somehow fucked that up entirely.
Eli playing all 16 games this year is a nightmare scenario that John Mara is already preparing for. The only way it isn't a nightmare scenario is if he turns the clock back at least 5 years, and I probably have a better chance to hit the lottery than that does of happening.
I'm no fan of Gettleman or Shurmur whatsoever, but I dont think Eli is their call at all, I think this is almost 100% a John Mara decision and they have to go along with it. I know what they say publicly and they have to say publicly what they have, but those two guys have been around football forever, they know Eli has little left in the tank at this point.
This year to me, unless something unexpected happens and the Giants miraculously are good, is all about Daniel Jones. Just get him meaningful snaps, try not to let Saquon take a beating so he can save Shurmur's job, and have 2 guys to build around for 2020.
I really do love Eli. But the way this has been handled by the Giants (more specifically) John Mara has this headed for total disaster and a really, really sad way for what has been an amazing career as a Giant for Eli to end.
The mess up was not shooting for next yrs qb class. Should've bit the bullet this season (which in all likely will this season) and drafted Dl ie and went with Eli this yr as his absolute last season win or lose. Jones ..better hope he's a real deal..or it'll be the biggest blemish on this org for lifetime hereafter.
Eli struggling in games. DJ getting more first team reps, etc.
If Jones gets meaningful snaps this year and shows potential, the Giants could be 5-11 and still have a positive season.
I have yet to hear even one answer that makes even a little bit of sense to the question of why Eli is still on the team.
Mara, Gettleman and Shurmur are opening themselves up to a huge headache when there is no reason for it. Eli has very little to nothing left in the tank. He's not the present, he's not the future.
Mara being involved in it scares the hell out of me. The Giants had their get out of jail free card right in front of their face and had McAdoo to use as the scapegoat and they somehow fucked that up entirely.
Eli playing all 16 games this year is a nightmare scenario that John Mara is already preparing for. The only way it isn't a nightmare scenario is if he turns the clock back at least 5 years, and I probably have a better chance to hit the lottery than that does of happening.
I'm no fan of Gettleman or Shurmur whatsoever, but I dont think Eli is their call at all, I think this is almost 100% a John Mara decision and they have to go along with it. I know what they say publicly and they have to say publicly what they have, but those two guys have been around football forever, they know Eli has little left in the tank at this point.
This year to me, unless something unexpected happens and the Giants miraculously are good, is all about Daniel Jones. Just get him meaningful snaps, try not to let Saquon take a beating so he can save Shurmur's job, and have 2 guys to build around for 2020.
I really do love Eli. But the way this has been handled by the Giants (more specifically) John Mara has this headed for total disaster and a really, really sad way for what has been an amazing career as a Giant for Eli to end.
I find the notion that Mara would overrule his GM and coach by forcing Eli on them difficult to believe. Mara might love Eli, but he loves the Giants more. You speak as fact that Gettleman and Shurmur know Eli is done to make your case, it is obviously an opinion.
They might be wrong about Eli, but I m pretty convinced the general consensus of all three is that he can still play, and they can win with him this year.
There is much precedent for #1 picks sitting behind established starters, it s narrow minded to not even consider this might be even more beneficial to Jones than baptism by fire.
I d be fine with Jones starting and Eli gone, but it s not ridiculous to begin year with Eli.
People, including those in the media, screamed that the Giants were wasting Eli's talent by surrounding him with inferior players. Well, now they should have a decent OL and have the best RB in the NFL. Give Eli a chance to prove them right or wrong. If he can't do it any more, then go with Jones.
I want to see my team win. What an asshole for trying to compare football management with hedge fund management as justification to not playing Barkley. It's one thing for him to be an asshole for suggesting it but to be stupid too is beyond idiotic.
To start the season you play to win. It'c COMPETITION. It;s a disgrace they allow that guy air time.
The GMEN have a chance. You don't give up before the season starts.
I want to see my team win. What an asshole for trying to compare football management with hedge fund management as justification to not playing Barkley. It's one thing for him to be an asshole for suggesting it but to be stupid too is beyond idiotic.
To start the season you play to win. It'c COMPETITION. It;s a disgrace they allow that guy air time.
The GMEN have a chance. You don't give up before the season starts.
Regards to Darnold I meant for his career not necessarily this year.