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Amari Cooper dealing with ligament issue in foot,

ZogZerg : 8/15/2019 1:05 pm
unlikely to participate in preseason.

I wouldn't mind if Zeke and Amari missed the first game of the season.....


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Garrett and the Cowboys are still calling Cooper's injury a day-to-day issue, for what it's worth.

"He's making progress, and we're certainly not gonna rush him back," Garrett said earlier this week in a press conference. "...He's getting closer and closer. He's working on the side. We don't think this is a long-term thing, but we just want to be deliberate in bringing him back."

Adding more mud to the water, though, Garrett was vague regarding what tests have been run.

"I don't know the exact medical procedures he's gone through," he noted. "But suffice it to say he's been evaluated a ton of different ways."

Amari Cooper dealing with ligament issue in foot, unlikely to participate in preseason - ( New Window )
His Heel  
Des51 : 8/15/2019 1:09 pm : link
I saw a report that stated he's has a plantar fascia irritation.
Just pay him already  
arniefez : 8/15/2019 1:10 pm : link
and the crappy QB and the character challenged RB. Pay all of them.
RE: Just pay him already  
NoPeanutz : 8/15/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14531252 arniefez said:
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and the crappy QB and the character challenged RB. Pay all of them.

Damn beat me to it.
I wonder if itís a lisfranc injury?  
T in NJ : 8/15/2019 1:17 pm : link
If so that could require surgery, like what ended Justin Tuckís 2006 season.
Never mind  
T in NJ : 8/15/2019 1:17 pm : link
.
I am waiting t o hear  
Jay in Toronto : 8/15/2019 1:24 pm : link
what kind of accident metaphor Jerry Jones comes up with for this one.

Will he take Cooper into the woods?????
Hopefully it is season ending!  
SterlingArcher : 8/15/2019 1:32 pm : link
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Strahan had Lisfranc too unfortunately  
GiantBlue : 8/15/2019 1:43 pm : link
and I remember reading and watching some of his interviews about how painful and debilitating it was. Knowing Strahan and Tuck....it had to be because sometimes I used to think that an opposing player could stick a sword in them and they would still trot out there in the second half.

LT too!
'top 5 salary'  
giants#1 : 8/15/2019 1:48 pm : link
If Cooper was actually offered top 5 WR money, assuming the guarantees were top 5 too, he should sign it ASAP. Even playing devil's advocate I can't see an argument he should be a top 5 paid WR whereas the cases for Dak/Elliott are easy:

Dak - more accomplished than Wentz and fewer injuries so he should get paid more than Wentz

Elliott - arguably the best RB so why shouldn't he surpass Gurley's deal? And again, doesn't have the injury history that Gurley does.
Any intelligent person  
cjac : 8/15/2019 2:01 pm : link
who knows their own anatomy should know that the only way to heal ligament issues in your foot, is to give yourself frostbite
Dak  
Csonka : 8/15/2019 2:01 pm : link
Dak's not even a top 10 QB, much less top 5.
Zeke I agree with, but he's under contract. Take that up with the union for agreeing to 4 year rookie contracts.
how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
UConn4523 : 8/15/2019 2:03 pm : link
gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.
RE: Strahan had Lisfranc too unfortunately  
Greg from LI : 8/15/2019 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14531280 GiantBlue said:
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and I remember reading and watching some of his interviews about how painful and debilitating it was. Knowing Strahan and Tuck....it had to be because sometimes I used to think that an opposing player could stick a sword in them and they would still trot out there in the second half.

LT too!


And Phil Simms in 1990
RE: Dak  
giants#1 : 8/15/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14531292 Csonka said:
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Dak's not even a top 10 QB, much less top 5.
Zeke I agree with, but he's under contract. Take that up with the union for agreeing to 4 year rookie contracts.


I personally agree re: Zeke, but since Dallas as (reportedly) offered him a deal, likely an extension, they don't necessarily see things the same.

I also agree that Dak isn't a top 10 QB, but any competent QB is going to get paid and if you're Dak and his attorney, how do you accept an offer below Wentz's?
RE: how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
Tom in NY : 8/15/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said:
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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.


That's the point, Dak is not better than Wentz, nor is he a top 10 QB, it's just his turn on the "QB salary wheel." Dallas is in a tough spot. Dak can play in the NFL, but they have significant doubts if he can lead them to a SB win. If they don't sign him, and he catches lightning in a bottle, they'll have a Joe Flacco circa 2012 contract to pay out this coming offseason ($45M/year?). If they do pay him, they may have the next Andy Dalton situation to live with.
This is not too dissimilar to the Kirk Cousins scenario in Washington the past 3 offseasons.
RE: how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
cjac : 8/15/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said:
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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.


He's won the NFC East twice, and he has one more playoff win.

he has a better completion percentage, equal in yards and TDs. And he has a better win/loss record
RE: how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
giants#1 : 8/15/2019 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said:
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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.


Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %)
Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time

Dak: 66.1%
Wentz: 63.7%

Dak: 2.68 TD:INT
Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT

Dak: 226.6 ypg
Wentz: 253.8 ypg

Dak: 7.4 y/a
Wentz: 7.0 y/a

Rushing
Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a
Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a

So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.
He's also won the division twice  
cjac : 8/15/2019 2:21 pm : link
and hasnt had a losing season

You can argue that Wentz had 2 losing seasons considering he was 5-6 when he got hurt last year
RE: RE: how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
giants#1 : 8/15/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14531310 Tom in NY said:
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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.



That's the point, Dak is not better than Wentz, nor is he a top 10 QB, it's just his turn on the "QB salary wheel." Dallas is in a tough spot. Dak can play in the NFL, but they have significant doubts if he can lead them to a SB win. If they don't sign him, and he catches lightning in a bottle, they'll have a Joe Flacco circa 2012 contract to pay out this coming offseason ($45M/year?). If they do pay him, they may have the next Andy Dalton situation to live with.
This is not too dissimilar to the Kirk Cousins scenario in Washington the past 3 offseasons.


I disagree. The argument for Wentz getting more is that he has a higher ceiling and still hasn't reached his potential whereas most people argue that Dak's a "game manager" that benefits from those around him. I happen to agree with that argument, but if you look at the stats, Dak has been the better QB to date.

And it's not like Wentz is playing behind the Giants OL. The Philly OL isn't far behind Dallas' and their WRs (including Ertz) are significantly better than Dallas'. I think the Philly offensive coaching staff is substantially better too. Only clear advantage Dallas has in coaching/personnel is Zeke (obviously significant).
RE: RE: how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
Strahan91 : 8/15/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14531316 giants#1 said:
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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.



Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %)
Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time

Dak: 66.1%
Wentz: 63.7%

Dak: 2.68 TD:INT
Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT

Dak: 226.6 ypg
Wentz: 253.8 ypg

Dak: 7.4 y/a
Wentz: 7.0 y/a

Rushing
Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a
Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a

So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.

This data is heavily skewed because of Wentz's rookie season vs Dak's which really isn't all that relevant to today since Dak has regressed (statistically) while Wentz when healthy has been significantly better.
Once again the simpletons think football is baseball  
arniefez : 8/15/2019 2:31 pm : link
NFL QB stats are dependent of the people around them. Prescott isn't any good. He's on a team with the best OL and best RB in the NFL. He's barely an average QB. I've been looking forward to the day Dallas has pay him for a few years. It's here now. Hopefully they blink and sign him. The fact they have an injured WR and the low character RB to pay too is just a bonus for the Giants.
That Rams playoff game really highlighted Daks weaknesses. Shut down  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2019 2:35 pm : link
the run or get a lead and force them into obvious passing situations. Contain rush with zone behind. Dak was awful and if you pay a QB elite money you need to expect him to tear up that look because you are going to need to shortcut other parts of your offense unless you want to completely ignore your defense.
depends what #s you pick  
giants#1 : 8/15/2019 2:35 pm : link
Dak's comp% in 2018 essentially matched his rookie season. His yards/game was also the best mark of his career. His rookie year INT% was obviously unsustainable, but his INT% last year was very good and better than any mark in Wentz's career. And their Y/A were comparable last season, despite Wentz playing with significantly better WR/TE talent.

And this is why numbers are bullshit...the Cowboys see a ton of man  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/15/2019 2:43 pm : link
Coverage because their run game is so good. Dak is good enough to beat these looks and his numbers went up when they went to get a bonafide number 1 that can make you pay in man looks. He just really struggles when the defense is expecting pass, really struggles. They just haven't been put in that situation that often because the Cowboys have been really good, but when they have he hasn't answered the call. His roomie year he probably played 95 percent of snaps tied or with a lead.
thanks for the stats guys  
UConn4523 : 8/15/2019 2:59 pm : link
I have google too.

If that's your argument, than its not worth my time. The 2 QB's are pretty far apart in skill, IMO. And fuck the 1 more playoff win, without Went'z MVP caliber regular season Eagles don't get to or win the Superbowl.
10 year 400 million for Dak  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/15/2019 3:10 pm : link
8 year 120 million for wife beating Ewok, and 8 year 200 million for Cooper!
We have the best QB situation in the NFC East  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/15/2019 3:12 pm : link
By far.
...  
christian : 8/15/2019 3:41 pm : link
I'd risk it with Dak -- 4th year is a big year for a QB. If he proves he's made the strides pay him. If he is who is, let him walk.

Philly paying Wentz was a gamble he'll be good enough, and the contract will normalize relative to the market in a few years.
Fwiw  
BSIMatt : 8/15/2019 4:34 pm : link
Dak is getting killed pretty bad by PFF, who are basically saying all indicators point to a middle tier/average player and that Dallas cut bait.

Stats say heís captain checkdown and thatís been the case. He has trouble throwing downfield so he takes safer options short. He struggles downfield. His percentage of uncatchable balls is not good. This is a guy whose benefitted from playing behind one of the best offensive lines in football. Reality is heís an average quarterback by all accounts. That being said I really truly hope Dallas pays him...and Zeke...and Cooper.
Dak is expendable  
5BowlsSoon : 8/15/2019 4:48 pm : link
If Iím Jerry, I would let him walk and save the 30+ million per year. The back up is probably just as good.
I'm betting ...  
FStubbs : 8/15/2019 5:01 pm : link
Amari Cooper's ligament will respond positively to more guaranteed money.
RE: depends what #s you pick  
FStubbs : 8/15/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14531333 giants#1 said:
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Dak's comp% in 2018 essentially matched his rookie season. His yards/game was also the best mark of his career. His rookie year INT% was obviously unsustainable, but his INT% last year was very good and better than any mark in Wentz's career. And their Y/A were comparable last season, despite Wentz playing with significantly better WR/TE talent.


And as we know, the offensive line is the most important thing, and while Philly's is good, Dak plays behind 3 All-Pros and 2 other pretty good linemen.

I hope Dallas does pay Dak Prescott the huge money. Because honestly, he's a replacement level player. There are plenty of guys around the league who can do what Prescott does. Washington has 3 quarterbacks who are as good as Prescott.
Yeah.  
David B. : 8/15/2019 5:09 pm : link
RE: RE: how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
ron mexico : 8/15/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14531316 giants#1 said:
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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.



Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %)
Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time

Dak: 66.1%
Wentz: 63.7%

Dak: 2.68 TD:INT
Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT

Dak: 226.6 ypg
Wentz: 253.8 ypg

Dak: 7.4 y/a
Wentz: 7.0 y/a

Rushing
Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a
Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a

So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.


Wow, never realized this is how they stack up.
RE: RE: how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
djm : 8/15/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14531316 giants#1 said:
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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.



Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %)
Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time

Dak: 66.1%
Wentz: 63.7%

Dak: 2.68 TD:INT
Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT

Dak: 226.6 ypg
Wentz: 253.8 ypg

Dak: 7.4 y/a
Wentz: 7.0 y/a

Rushing
Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a
Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a

So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.


Nyg fans love to kill dak. And dak just keeps on helping Dallas to a winning record year after year. I only hope and pray we are saying the same thing about Daniel jones here. Iíd sign for ďshitty dakĒ production in a fucking heartbeat .
So why arenít we killing Wentz then?  
UConn4523 : 8/15/2019 5:26 pm : link
Dak is fine for the Dallas Cowboys. If you think heís a special player then I donít know what to tell you. Wentz is much more skilled, better at almost everything but hindered by health. If/when Zeke holds out and Dallas goes a prolonged period of time without a dominant run game, Iím guessing him being average will shine through.
Nyg fans are to Dak  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/15/2019 5:29 pm : link
What Russ Tucker is to Eli.

I think NYG fans have a more balanced view than unhinged Tucker, it would be wonderful if Jerry over spends 35-40 million a year on a mediocre QB like Dak, no one is saying he's terrible, solidly in the top 10-20 QB tier.
RE: RE: depends what #s you pick  
giants#1 : 8/15/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14531461 FStubbs said:
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Dak's comp% in 2018 essentially matched his rookie season. His yards/game was also the best mark of his career. His rookie year INT% was obviously unsustainable, but his INT% last year was very good and better than any mark in Wentz's career. And their Y/A were comparable last season, despite Wentz playing with significantly better WR/TE talent.




And as we know, the offensive line is the most important thing, and while Philly's is good, Dak plays behind 3 All-Pros and 2 other pretty good linemen.

I hope Dallas does pay Dak Prescott the huge money. Because honestly, he's a replacement level player. There are plenty of guys around the league who can do what Prescott does. Washington has 3 quarterbacks who are as good as Prescott.


It's not like Philly's OL is trash. Kelce's got 2 straight 1st team All Pro awards. Lane Johnson was all pro 2017 and pro bowl last season. Peters isn't elite anymore, but he was excellent and earned a pro bowl Wentz's rookie season. And Brandon Brooks ain't too bad either (2x pro bowler).
I donít love to kill Dak  
BSIMatt : 8/15/2019 5:41 pm : link
I just really hope Dallas signs him, I think heís solid but limited.
RE: RE: RE: how is Dak more accomplished than Wentz  
Nine-Tails : 8/15/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14531467 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said:


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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.



Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %)
Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time

Dak: 66.1%
Wentz: 63.7%

Dak: 2.68 TD:INT
Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT

Dak: 226.6 ypg
Wentz: 253.8 ypg

Dak: 7.4 y/a
Wentz: 7.0 y/a

Rushing
Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a
Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a

So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.



Wow, never realized this is how they stack up.


Wentz has a much higher upside, but you know what you're gonna get out of Dak, with Wentz I'm not sure if he can last a full season
I do agree that dak at low rent money is  
djm : 8/15/2019 8:11 pm : link
Obviously more conducive to winning than dak at high rent money. But Dallas can do worse.

Heís probably about average when all is said n done. Iíd still feel better about playing Dallas if dak wasnít behind center and they went with an unproven kid.

Whatever happens I hope it ends badly for Dallas.
Come on - wentz has injury concerns  
bhill410 : 8/15/2019 8:16 pm : link
But the guy was a lock to win mvp before he got hurt two seasons ago. If you are going to pay one you take the guy who may be best in league and if he gets hurt again good chance you are in a position to draft another elite qb talent. Much easier than trying to win with a qb making 30 million who is good not great (and Dak is good).
RE: Come on - wentz has injury concerns  
UConn4523 : 8/15/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14531592 bhill410 said:
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But the guy was a lock to win mvp before he got hurt two seasons ago. If you are going to pay one you take the guy who may be best in league and if he gets hurt again good chance you are in a position to draft another elite qb talent. Much easier than trying to win with a qb making 30 million who is good not great (and Dak is good).


Couldnít agree more.
I heard reports  
Torn Tendon : 8/16/2019 8:01 am : link
that it is plantar fasciitis. That's the same thing Eli struggled with during a season or two, several years ago.

Not a good injury for a WR. He'll probably be dealing with it all season long.
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