Amari Cooper dealing with ligament issue in foot,

I saw a report that stated he's has a plantar fascia irritation.

and the crappy QB and the character challenged RB. Pay all of them.

In comment 14531252 arniefez said:

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and the crappy QB and the character challenged RB. Pay all of them.

Damn beat me to it.

If so that could require surgery, like what ended Justin Tuck’s 2006 season.

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what kind of accident metaphor Jerry Jones comes up with for this one.

Will he take Cooper into the woods?????

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and I remember reading and watching some of his interviews about how painful and debilitating it was. Knowing Strahan and Tuck....it had to be because sometimes I used to think that an opposing player could stick a sword in them and they would still trot out there in the second half.

LT too!

If Cooper was actually offered top 5 WR money, assuming the guarantees were top 5 too, he should sign it ASAP. Even playing devil's advocate I can't see an argument he should be a top 5 paid WR whereas the cases for Dak/Elliott are easy:

Dak - more accomplished than Wentz and fewer injuries so he should get paid more than Wentz

Elliott - arguably the best RB so why shouldn't he surpass Gurley's deal? And again, doesn't have the injury history that Gurley does.

who knows their own anatomy should know that the only way to heal ligament issues in your foot, is to give yourself frostbite

Dak's not even a top 10 QB, much less top 5.
Zeke I agree with, but he's under contract. Take that up with the union for agreeing to 4 year rookie contracts.

gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.

In comment 14531280 GiantBlue said:

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and I remember reading and watching some of his interviews about how painful and debilitating it was. Knowing Strahan and Tuck....it had to be because sometimes I used to think that an opposing player could stick a sword in them and they would still trot out there in the second half. LT too!

And Phil Simms in 1990

In comment 14531292 Csonka said:

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Dak's not even a top 10 QB, much less top 5. Zeke I agree with, but he's under contract. Take that up with the union for agreeing to 4 year rookie contracts.

I personally agree re: Zeke, but since Dallas as (reportedly) offered him a deal, likely an extension, they don't necessarily see things the same.

I also agree that Dak isn't a top 10 QB, but any competent QB is going to get paid and if you're Dak and his attorney, how do you accept an offer below Wentz's?

In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said:

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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.

That's the point, Dak is not better than Wentz, nor is he a top 10 QB, it's just his turn on the "QB salary wheel." Dallas is in a tough spot. Dak can play in the NFL, but they have significant doubts if he can lead them to a SB win. If they don't sign him, and he catches lightning in a bottle, they'll have a Joe Flacco circa 2012 contract to pay out this coming offseason ($45M/year?). If they do pay him, they may have the next Andy Dalton situation to live with.
This is not too dissimilar to the Kirk Cousins scenario in Washington the past 3 offseasons.

In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said:

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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.

He's won the NFC East twice, and he has one more playoff win.

he has a better completion percentage, equal in yards and TDs. And he has a better win/loss record

In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said:

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gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens.

Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %)
Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time

Dak: 66.1%
Wentz: 63.7%

Dak: 2.68 TD:INT
Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT

Dak: 226.6 ypg
Wentz: 253.8 ypg

Dak: 7.4 y/a
Wentz: 7.0 y/a

Rushing
Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a
Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a

So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.

and hasnt had a losing season

You can argue that Wentz had 2 losing seasons considering he was 5-6 when he got hurt last year

In comment 14531310 Tom in NY said:

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In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said: Quote: gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens. That's the point, Dak is not better than Wentz, nor is he a top 10 QB, it's just his turn on the "QB salary wheel." Dallas is in a tough spot. Dak can play in the NFL, but they have significant doubts if he can lead them to a SB win. If they don't sign him, and he catches lightning in a bottle, they'll have a Joe Flacco circa 2012 contract to pay out this coming offseason ($45M/year?). If they do pay him, they may have the next Andy Dalton situation to live with. This is not too dissimilar to the Kirk Cousins scenario in Washington the past 3 offseasons.

I disagree. The argument for Wentz getting more is that he has a higher ceiling and still hasn't reached his potential whereas most people argue that Dak's a "game manager" that benefits from those around him. I happen to agree with that argument, but if you look at the stats, Dak has been the better QB to date.

And it's not like Wentz is playing behind the Giants OL. The Philly OL isn't far behind Dallas' and their WRs (including Ertz) are significantly better than Dallas'. I think the Philly offensive coaching staff is substantially better too. Only clear advantage Dallas has in coaching/personnel is Zeke (obviously significant).

In comment 14531316 giants#1 said:

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In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said: Quote: gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens. Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %) Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time Dak: 66.1% Wentz: 63.7% Dak: 2.68 TD:INT Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT Dak: 226.6 ypg Wentz: 253.8 ypg Dak: 7.4 y/a Wentz: 7.0 y/a Rushing Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.

This data is heavily skewed because of Wentz's rookie season vs Dak's which really isn't all that relevant to today since Dak has regressed (statistically) while Wentz when healthy has been significantly better.

NFL QB stats are dependent of the people around them. Prescott isn't any good. He's on a team with the best OL and best RB in the NFL. He's barely an average QB. I've been looking forward to the day Dallas has pay him for a few years. It's here now. Hopefully they blink and sign him. The fact they have an injured WR and the low character RB to pay too is just a bonus for the Giants.

the run or get a lead and force them into obvious passing situations. Contain rush with zone behind. Dak was awful and if you pay a QB elite money you need to expect him to tear up that look because you are going to need to shortcut other parts of your offense unless you want to completely ignore your defense.

Dak's comp% in 2018 essentially matched his rookie season. His yards/game was also the best mark of his career. His rookie year INT% was obviously unsustainable, but his INT% last year was very good and better than any mark in Wentz's career. And their Y/A were comparable last season, despite Wentz playing with significantly better WR/TE talent.

Coverage because their run game is so good. Dak is good enough to beat these looks and his numbers went up when they went to get a bonafide number 1 that can make you pay in man looks. He just really struggles when the defense is expecting pass, really struggles. They just haven't been put in that situation that often because the Cowboys have been really good, but when they have he hasn't answered the call. His roomie year he probably played 95 percent of snaps tied or with a lead.

I have google too.

If that's your argument, than its not worth my time. The 2 QB's are pretty far apart in skill, IMO. And fuck the 1 more playoff win, without Went'z MVP caliber regular season Eagles don't get to or win the Superbowl.

8 year 120 million for wife beating Ewok, and 8 year 200 million for Cooper!

By far.

I'd risk it with Dak -- 4th year is a big year for a QB. If he proves he's made the strides pay him. If he is who is, let him walk.

Philly paying Wentz was a gamble he'll be good enough, and the contract will normalize relative to the market in a few years.

Dak is getting killed pretty bad by PFF, who are basically saying all indicators point to a middle tier/average player and that Dallas cut bait.

Stats say he’s captain checkdown and that’s been the case. He has trouble throwing downfield so he takes safer options short. He struggles downfield. His percentage of uncatchable balls is not good. This is a guy whose benefitted from playing behind one of the best offensive lines in football. Reality is he’s an average quarterback by all accounts. That being said I really truly hope Dallas pays him...and Zeke...and Cooper.

If I’m Jerry, I would let him walk and save the 30+ million per year. The back up is probably just as good.

Amari Cooper's ligament will respond positively to more guaranteed money.

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Dak's comp% in 2018 essentially matched his rookie season. His yards/game was also the best mark of his career. His rookie year INT% was obviously unsustainable, but his INT% last year was very good and better than any mark in Wentz's career. And their Y/A were comparable last season, despite Wentz playing with significantly better WR/TE talent.

And as we know, the offensive line is the most important thing, and while Philly's is good, Dak plays behind 3 All-Pros and 2 other pretty good linemen.

I hope Dallas does pay Dak Prescott the huge money. Because honestly, he's a replacement level player. There are plenty of guys around the league who can do what Prescott does. Washington has 3 quarterbacks who are as good as Prescott.

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In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said: Quote: gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens. Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %) Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time Dak: 66.1% Wentz: 63.7% Dak: 2.68 TD:INT Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT Dak: 226.6 ypg Wentz: 253.8 ypg Dak: 7.4 y/a Wentz: 7.0 y/a Rushing Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.

Wow, never realized this is how they stack up.

In comment 14531316 giants#1 said:

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In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said: Quote: gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens. Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %) Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time Dak: 66.1% Wentz: 63.7% Dak: 2.68 TD:INT Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT Dak: 226.6 ypg Wentz: 253.8 ypg Dak: 7.4 y/a Wentz: 7.0 y/a Rushing Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it.

Nyg fans love to kill dak. And dak just keeps on helping Dallas to a winning record year after year. I only hope and pray we are saying the same thing about Daniel jones here. I’d sign for “shitty dak” production in a fucking heartbeat .

Dak is fine for the Dallas Cowboys. If you think he’s a special player then I don’t know what to tell you. Wentz is much more skilled, better at almost everything but hindered by health. If/when Zeke holds out and Dallas goes a prolonged period of time without a dominant run game, I’m guessing him being average will shine through.

What Russ Tucker is to Eli.

I think NYG fans have a more balanced view than unhinged Tucker, it would be wonderful if Jerry over spends 35-40 million a year on a mediocre QB like Dak, no one is saying he's terrible, solidly in the top 10-20 QB tier.

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In comment 14531333 giants#1 said: Quote: Dak's comp% in 2018 essentially matched his rookie season. His yards/game was also the best mark of his career. His rookie year INT% was obviously unsustainable, but his INT% last year was very good and better than any mark in Wentz's career. And their Y/A were comparable last season, despite Wentz playing with significantly better WR/TE talent. And as we know, the offensive line is the most important thing, and while Philly's is good, Dak plays behind 3 All-Pros and 2 other pretty good linemen. I hope Dallas does pay Dak Prescott the huge money. Because honestly, he's a replacement level player. There are plenty of guys around the league who can do what Prescott does. Washington has 3 quarterbacks who are as good as Prescott.

It's not like Philly's OL is trash. Kelce's got 2 straight 1st team All Pro awards. Lane Johnson was all pro 2017 and pro bowl last season. Peters isn't elite anymore, but he was excellent and earned a pro bowl Wentz's rookie season. And Brandon Brooks ain't too bad either (2x pro bowler).

I just really hope Dallas signs him, I think he’s solid but limited.

In comment 14531467 ron mexico said:

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In comment 14531316 giants#1 said: Quote: In comment 14531293 UConn4523 said: Quote: gotta hear this rationale. Wentz is a much better QB, his problem is injuries but if i'm paying $35m for either of them its going to be Wentz 100 times out of 100 and i'll deal with the injury when it happens. Dak: 48 G 32-16 record (.666 winning %) Wentz: 40 G 23-17 record (.575 winning %) with Foles 7-2 excluding the postseason over that time Dak: 66.1% Wentz: 63.7% Dak: 2.68 TD:INT Wentz: 2.5 TD:INT Dak: 226.6 ypg Wentz: 253.8 ypg Dak: 7.4 y/a Wentz: 7.0 y/a Rushing Dak: 189 att 944 yds 18 TDs 5.0 y/a Wentz: 144 att 542 yds 2 TDs 3.8 y/a So Dak has the better winning %, comp %, TD:INT ratio, higher Y/A (arguably the most important passing stat), and better rushing #s. Wentz has a significant edge in yards/game but that's it. Wow, never realized this is how they stack up.

Wentz has a much higher upside, but you know what you're gonna get out of Dak, with Wentz I'm not sure if he can last a full season

Obviously more conducive to winning than dak at high rent money. But Dallas can do worse.

He’s probably about average when all is said n done. I’d still feel better about playing Dallas if dak wasn’t behind center and they went with an unproven kid.

Whatever happens I hope it ends badly for Dallas.

But the guy was a lock to win mvp before he got hurt two seasons ago. If you are going to pay one you take the guy who may be best in league and if he gets hurt again good chance you are in a position to draft another elite qb talent. Much easier than trying to win with a qb making 30 million who is good not great (and Dak is good).

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But the guy was a lock to win mvp before he got hurt two seasons ago. If you are going to pay one you take the guy who may be best in league and if he gets hurt again good chance you are in a position to draft another elite qb talent. Much easier than trying to win with a qb making 30 million who is good not great (and Dak is good).

Couldn’t agree more.

that it is plantar fasciitis. That's the same thing Eli struggled with during a season or two, several years ago.

Not a good injury for a WR. He'll probably be dealing with it all season long.