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Anybody watching Kyler Murray

JoeyBigBlue : 8/15/2019 8:56 pm
I don’t want to make quick judgments, but the kid doesn’t look ready for prime time yet. Anyone watching.
Unable to watch  
TommytheElephant : 8/15/2019 9:00 pm : link
Please elaborate
RE: Unable to watch  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/15/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14531630 TommytheElephant said:
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He’s had 2 false start penalties and a delay the game penalty. He’s also missed a few throws.
I’m watching the game but  
tyrik13 : 8/15/2019 9:01 pm : link
To me he doesn’t look half bad. That o-line is horrendous, pass pro breaking down damn near right away, they’re also getting bullshit calls against them as well and their running game is trash. He’s gonna have to literally carry this team by himself
It's a brutal..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2019 9:02 pm : link
game to watch. Flags all over the place and bad calls.

You know, everytime they talk about Murray, they talk about him knowing the offense perfectly and brag that he's been playing in it since he was 8

Is it really a positive that a NFL team is running an offense that a Pee Wee team did? That's the question to ask of Kingsbury. It isn't like the guy has set the world on fire as a HC anywhere. Maybe it is he's running an offense 8 year olds can comprehend.
RE: RE: Unable to watch  
tyrik13 : 8/15/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14531631 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 14531630 TommytheElephant said:


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He’s had 2 false start penalties and a delay the game penalty. He’s also missed a few throws.


That first false start was bullshit, it was definitely neutral zone infraction
I'm watching...  
M.S. : 8/15/2019 9:02 pm : link

...not pretty. But neither is his offensive line.

On the other hand, Sam Darnold lit it up on his first drive of game flicking the ball around like a souped-up Joe Namath!

Very impressive.
The NFL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2019 9:06 pm : link
needs to crack down on unnecessary QB movement. They've been getting away with fake snaps and arm movement from the shotgun for years.
Murray  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/15/2019 9:13 pm : link
Just took a safety. Awful night is turning worse.
Murray has the arm strength  
fanofthejets : 8/15/2019 9:14 pm : link
But other than that there were plenty of red flags with them. Definitely shouldn't be starting off the bat. Don't really like his footwork. Stares down receivers too often. And of course with his size...issues regarding throwing to the middle of the field. He also apparently didn't interview/test well.

I think he can make it in this league but far from a sure thing. And not as polished as Russell Wilson was the first time I saw him in the pros
This..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2019 9:16 pm : link
Cardinals team is just poor on both sides of the ball.

I don't know what it is about tonight, but Derek Carr is acting like it's the Super Bowl. He's pumped up and running on the field to congratulate guys
And Booger  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2019 9:19 pm : link
is in mid-season form.

After gushing about how Murray audibled to a rip coverage to be run heavy, they passed the ball
Raiders are playing hard  
ZogZerg : 8/15/2019 9:22 pm : link
Cardinals suck on both sides of the ball.
RE: And Booger  
Strahan91 : 8/15/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14531663 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is in mid-season form.

After gushing about how Murray audibled to a rip coverage to be run heavy, they passed the ball

Is he still sitting on that ridiculous moving cart?
It..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2019 9:26 pm : link
is only a 2-man booth tonight so he's in an actual space.
Wait  
jeff57 : 8/15/2019 9:36 pm : link
I was told Josh Rosen was the problem.
RE: It's a brutal..  
Vanzetti : 8/15/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14531635 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Maybe it is he's running an offense 8 year olds can comprehend.


They should get some eight year olds because Murray can’t make heads or tails of the offense
Keelan Doss  
santacruzom : 8/15/2019 10:30 pm : link
Having a good game for the Raiders. Shit. I was hoping he'd get cut and then signed by the Giants.
It's always..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2019 10:33 pm : link
a tough night when Nathan Peterman outplays you!
It's his  
TommyWiseau : 8/15/2019 10:48 pm : link
Second preseason game, cut the guy some slack.
BBi..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2019 11:01 pm : link
Favorite Andy Isabella with a long TD catch
I think he looked like crap  
PatersonPlank : 8/15/2019 11:09 pm : link
something like 3-8 for 12 yards. He looks just like every other too small QB I have seen (like Flutie). Over throwing guys, and he couldn't run because the DE's and LB's are as fast as he is, and then all the normal rookie stuff.

Then to add to it, Hundley comes in and moves the team.
Murray is going...  
bw in dc : 8/15/2019 11:09 pm : link
to burn a lot of calories this year.
bw favorite...  
bw in dc : 8/15/2019 11:11 pm : link
Ryan Finley with another good game tonight.

There is a chance the Bengals will have a very good set of back-ups.
RE: It's a brutal..  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/15/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14531635 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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game to watch. Flags all over the place and bad calls.

You know, everytime they talk about Murray, they talk about him knowing the offense perfectly and brag that he's been playing in it since he was 8

Is it really a positive that a NFL team is running an offense that a Pee Wee team did? That's the question to ask of Kingsbury. It isn't like the guy has set the world on fire as a HC anywhere. Maybe it is he's running an offense 8 year olds can comprehend.


King hey and Murray. This years ESPN and media darlings. Chip Kelly was an million times the college coach Kingsbury was. Same can be said for Spurrier. Who even knows if Murray can read an NFL D. Not like they run any D at all In the BIG 12. And there were Lots of people posting here the kid was some “generational”’talent that will change the Cards. That team is a mess w an offensive line every bit as bad as what we e seen here w a HC who has a resume that’s paper thin for the
NFL.

Good news for them. They can pick anQB again rd 1. They will be a in top 5 again.
RE: It's a brutal..  
montanagiant : 8/16/2019 12:00 am : link
In comment 14531635 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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game to watch. Flags all over the place and bad calls.

You know, everytime they talk about Murray, they talk about him knowing the offense perfectly and brag that he's been playing in it since he was 8

Is it really a positive that a NFL team is running an offense that a Pee Wee team did? That's the question to ask of Kingsbury. It isn't like the guy has set the world on fire as a HC anywhere. Maybe it is he's running an offense 8 year olds can comprehend.

Excellent point. it's the same Offense my Son played in Jr High. Even he commented on it being the same
It would be surprising if Kyler Murray could read an NFL defense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2019 7:07 am : link
given that it's his second NFL preseason game.
RE: Murray has the arm strength  
FStubbs : 8/16/2019 7:23 am : link
In comment 14531658 fanofthejets said:
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But other than that there were plenty of red flags with them. Definitely shouldn't be starting off the bat. Don't really like his footwork. Stares down receivers too often. And of course with his size...issues regarding throwing to the middle of the field. He also apparently didn't interview/test well.

I think he can make it in this league but far from a sure thing. And not as polished as Russell Wilson was the first time I saw him in the pros


So here's the question - because pretty much everyone outside of Arizona knew Murray was a project and shouldn't have gone #1. How does he compare to Josh Rosen?
They are running RPO WR screens and 4 wide in peewee these days?  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:34 am : link
These are some talented chillens!
If DJ plays like this everyone is gonna be screaming bust.  
Blue21 : 8/16/2019 8:05 am : link
Murray is only a rookie and it's gonna take time. What I question is a rookie coach, in a college system, with a rookie QB, that was a lousey team to begin with last year. But gotta give the kid some time.
RE: It would be surprising if Kyler Murray could read an NFL defense  
Blue21 : 8/16/2019 8:07 am : link
In comment 14531795 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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given that it's his second NFL preseason game.


I agree with this too. When it was noted he's playing in an offense he's comfortable because he knows it very well I said yeah but what about reading defenses?
RE: They are running RPO WR screens and 4 wide in peewee these days?  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14531812 Zeke's Alibi said:
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These are some talented chillens!


Yeah - I have to laugh at the idea that Murray has full mastery of a offense because he's had Kingsbury as a coach in Pee Wee. But that's exactly what ESPN will have you believe!

When they report things like that they really should realize how stupid that sounds.
RE: RE: They are running RPO WR screens and 4 wide in peewee these days?  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 8:12 am : link
In comment 14531848 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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These are some talented chillens!



Yeah - I have to laugh at the idea that Murray has full mastery of a offense because he's had Kingsbury as a coach in Pee Wee. But that's exactly what ESPN will have you believe!

When they report things like that they really should realize how stupid that sounds.


I only watched the highlights last night, but one thing I noticed is he does a great job avoiding hits. Also the lineman splits are huge! His height won't really be an issue throwing from the pocket, especially with the deep drop.
I’m sure  
5BowlsSoon : 8/16/2019 8:22 am : link
We will hear the same thing when Jones falls on his face the first time.....especially here at BBI.
If Jones played like Murray last night  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/16/2019 8:30 am : link
You’d hear ESPN analyst calling for Gettleman’s job. Murray was that bad last night.
I stick by it  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 10:24 am : link
Kingsbury and Gase most lulzy coachinh hires this. Wouldn't be shocked to see either get as canned midseason.
RE: And Booger  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14531663 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is in mid-season form.

After gushing about how Murray audibled to a rip coverage to be run heavy, they passed the ball


The best part was there was a corner blitz and instead if hitting the hot route wide open receiver he threw to the opposite side..

mcfarland waxed poetic how it was a good read
RE: If Jones played like Murray last night  
5BowlsSoon : 8/16/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14531862 JoeyBigBlue said:
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You’d hear ESPN analyst calling for Gettleman’s job. Murray was that bad last night.


I wonder if anyone on ESPN is blasting MUrray or that pick today....
These guys will be the driving force of a Fitzgerald desert exit  
ghost718 : 8/16/2019 11:28 am : link
RE: I think he looked like crap  
GeofromNJ : 8/16/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14531749 PatersonPlank said:
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something like 3-8 for 12 yards. He looks just like every other too small QB I have seen (like Flutie). Over throwing guys, and he couldn't run because the DE's and LB's are as fast as he is, and then all the normal rookie stuff.

Then to add to it, Hundley comes in and moves the team.

That was Manziel's problem. In the pro's, the DE's and LB's are as fast as he was.
It's one thing to run Air Raid concepts,  
Section331 : 8/16/2019 12:29 pm : link
but to make it your base offense is going to be interesting to watch. AZ has a terrible OL, and now you're going to give DL wider gaps to exploit? I can't see Murray making it past week 6.
Murray was god-awful  
Stan in LA : 8/16/2019 1:31 pm : link
And at his size, he needs to be a LOT better just to be average.
I missed seeing Murray  
5BowlsSoon : 8/16/2019 2:07 pm : link
But did see Huntley do quite well. So, I guess that new offense can score points if properly executed, right? Hundley sure made it look easy.
RE: RE: They are running RPO WR screens and 4 wide in peewee these days?  
Bernie : 8/16/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14531848 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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These are some talented chillens!



Yeah - I have to laugh at the idea that Murray has full mastery of a offense because he's had Kingsbury as a coach in Pee Wee. But that's exactly what ESPN will have you believe!

When they report things like that they really should realize how stupid that sounds.


This is not true. He never played for Kingsbury. He played at Allen (a small, 6,500 student HS in the Dallas suburbs) that is a Texas HS powerhouse. His father Kevin was a Texas A&M QB that became a “QB guru” in TX and helped design the spread offenses that are now prevalent all over the country. As a result Kyler is more proficient than most having literally grown up with it.

Time will tell how his career develops. But I can tell you that while playing in a program that had almost 30 D1 commits during his 4 yrs, he was always the best athlete on the field and #2 was nowhere close. If he ends up playing in a more traditional offense, he will be more than fine.
Wow.....  
thrunthrublue : 8/16/2019 6:40 pm : link
He looks absolutely tiny, smaller than flutie ever looked.....if he does not have escape pocket presence, the bigs will squash him.
I love how this has played out so far  
NINEster : 8/16/2019 11:34 pm : link
with Kyler Murray.

What I found annoying with him is that he was top 15 in fantasy QB this year. WTF has he done to warrant that?

Maybe, just maybe he could be top 15 if he played for KC this year. But the Cardinals?



RE: RE: RE: They are running RPO WR screens and 4 wide in peewee these days?  
Deejboy : 8/17/2019 12:08 am : link
In comment 14532233 Bernie said:
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These are some talented chillens!



Yeah - I have to laugh at the idea that Murray has full mastery of a offense because he's had Kingsbury as a coach in Pee Wee. But that's exactly what ESPN will have you believe!

When they report things like that they really should realize how stupid that sounds.



This is not true. He never played for Kingsbury. He played at Allen (a small, 6,500 student HS in the Dallas suburbs) that is a Texas HS powerhouse. His father Kevin was a Texas A&M QB that became a “QB guru” in TX and helped design the spread offenses that are now prevalent all over the country. As a result Kyler is more proficient than most having literally grown up with it.

Time will tell how his career develops. But I can tell you that while playing in a program that had almost 30 D1 commits during his 4 yrs, he was always the best athlete on the field and #2 was nowhere close. If he ends up playing in a more traditional offense, he will be more than fine.

Unfortunately he can't grow 3 inches and put on 25lbs of muscle and that might be his undoing.
RE: They are running RPO WR screens and 4 wide in peewee these days?  
montanagiant : 8/17/2019 3:55 am : link
In comment 14531812 Zeke's Alibi said:
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These are some talented chillens!

Do you ever watch Texas football at the grade school level?

They do this in 3rd grade
RE: RE: RE: They are running RPO WR screens and 4 wide in peewee these days?  
montanagiant : 8/17/2019 3:57 am : link
In comment 14532233 Bernie said:
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In comment 14531848 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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In comment 14531812 Zeke's Alibi said:


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These are some talented chillens!



Yeah - I have to laugh at the idea that Murray has full mastery of a offense because he's had Kingsbury as a coach in Pee Wee. But that's exactly what ESPN will have you believe!

When they report things like that they really should realize how stupid that sounds.



This is not true. He never played for Kingsbury. He played at Allen (a small, 6,500 student HS in the Dallas suburbs) that is a Texas HS powerhouse. His father Kevin was a Texas A&M QB that became a “QB guru” in TX and helped design the spread offenses that are now prevalent all over the country. As a result Kyler is more proficient than most having literally grown up with it.

Time will tell how his career develops. But I can tell you that while playing in a program that had almost 30 D1 commits during his 4 yrs, he was always the best athlete on the field and #2 was nowhere close. If he ends up playing in a more traditional offense, he will be more than fine.

A High School with 6500 students is anything but small
Murray would benefit from sitting a year...  
Torrag : 8/17/2019 4:32 am : link
...just as Mahomes did.
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