I caught part of the Redskins vs Bengals game last night (in the DC market), and despite a nice deep TD pass (definitely a pretty ball under duress), I thought majority of his night was "meh." I'm not sure if it was because he doesn't have a lot of talent around him or not, but his passes just seem less accurate than I expected.
Final stats:
7/14 - 114 yards - 1 TD
55 of the 114 yards were from that TD pass.
What does Eli have to do with this? Everybody remembers Eli was bad as a rookie. It's 2019 and football is a completely different game geared towards helping the offense. QBs now shouldn't be compared to QB from 15+ years ago.
Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...
This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.
The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.
The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.
Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...
This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.
The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.
The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.
I think you missed the sarcasm.
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.
Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...
This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.
The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.
The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.
I think you missed the sarcasm.
Probably because it was incorrectly and unartfully presented.
It's a great throw by Haskins but a bad play by the Bengals' LB.
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.
Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...
This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.
The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.
The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.
I think you missed the sarcasm.
Well damn, he definitely got me if that's the case.
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But 3 TO's in limited action over 2 games... not very good, just not very impressed by Haskins. He reminds me of Jameis Winston a little. He probably can sling it a little better than Jameis can but I never saw either as Franchise QB's.
That could be an interesting comp. But I don’t think Haskins is as reckless as Winston...on and off the field.
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But 3 TO's in limited action over 2 games... not very good, just not very impressed by Haskins. He reminds me of Jameis Winston a little. He probably can sling it a little better than Jameis can but I never saw either as Franchise QB's.
That could be an interesting comp. But I don’t think Haskins is as reckless as Winston...on and off the field.
Rumor is that Haskins feels like he should just have the job and doesn't hit the playbook. Poor study habits is what I was told.
I've heard the exact opposite Joey... truth must lie in the middle :)
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But 3 TO's in limited action over 2 games... not very good, just not very impressed by Haskins. He reminds me of Jameis Winston a little. He probably can sling it a little better than Jameis can but I never saw either as Franchise QB's.
That could be an interesting comp. But I don’t think Haskins is as reckless as Winston...on and off the field.
Rumor is that Haskins feels like he should just have the job and doesn't hit the playbook. Poor study habits is what I was told.
I've heard the exact opposite Joey... truth must lie in the middle :)
Depending on where you heard it from. Was it from a station or newspaper that Daniel Snyder owns?
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But 3 TO's in limited action over 2 games... not very good, just not very impressed by Haskins. He reminds me of Jameis Winston a little. He probably can sling it a little better than Jameis can but I never saw either as Franchise QB's.
That could be an interesting comp. But I don’t think Haskins is as reckless as Winston...on and off the field.
Rumor is that Haskins feels like he should just have the job and doesn't hit the playbook. Poor study habits is what I was told.
Stuff like this is the vibe that I was getting and didn't like around draft time.
I was one of the bigger Haskins people here before that... and I still think he has the tools to be pretty good if he can get his feet right. He's a talented kid and he's bright. I think with the right coaching and dedication, he can be quite good.
But, there also seemed to be a small sense of entitlement and I think I'm just more sensitive to it now after what we dealt with with Beckham and some of the other guys who passed through here during what has been a very miserable stretch for us.
Jones might be great, he might suck, he will likely fall somewhere in between that vast scope of outcomes... but one thing I am certain of is that he has the right mindset for this city and this position. He will handle it much like Eli has for so long and we will never have to worry about Jones' work ethic or anything but football with him.
I don't think Haskins is a bad kid - he's not a criminal. I don't think anything like that. There's just a vibe with him that made me recoil a bit. Fairly or not.
Also, why are we analyzing pre-season?
throw just as he was being sacked .
Same with Jones he looked very good but have not seen
him under pressure and it's still pre-season .
The offensive pass interference call on the Redskins receiver that I saw was completely ass backwards. It was a clear case of defensive pi, but they called it on the offense and upheld it on review.
The only conclusion is that NFL officiating is still grossly incompetent or flat out bought.
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Dwayne Haskins notes:
-Excellent deep ball under pressure that is making all of the highlight reels. One of the better throws of the week.
-Short area accuracy wasn't great. Left a few behind, left YAC on the table
-Missed three deep passes from clean pocket
Jones might be great, he might suck, he will likely fall somewhere in between that vast scope of outcomes... but one thing I am certain of is that he has the right mindset for this city and this position. He will handle it much like Eli has for so long and we will never have to worry about Jones' work ethic or anything but football with him.
What is this based on that you are so convinced?
Look at Eli. Eli had the family name, was a five star recruit, was the younger brother to Peyton, went to his dad’s alma mater, got arrested at Ole Miss (faced adversity instantly on campus), etc, etc. So he had a foundation of dealing with enormous expectations...and succeeding.
Where the hell do we see any of that with Jones? He played in Durham for a basketball school with zero football expectations
He may work out fine, but I struggle to see anything in his resume to create such clarity that Jones in made for this...
I'd ask you what convinces you that he won't or that this stage is something he won't be able to cope with.
Everything I've seen from him thus far is that his persona is very much like Eli's. He got shit on by thousands and thousands of fans on draft night and thereafter and nary a peep... he doesn't go on Twitter acting like a loose-cannon or explode on the media. He's a very humble guy; I don't sense ANY entitlement or persona problems there in the early going and it would stun me if Jones was ever any sort of distraction for this team.
I expect things to be about football and virtually nothing else with Jones - just like it's been with Eli.
I didn't say I was convinced he'd be a great QB. That part remains to be seen. But I'm not sure what he's shown that would cause anyone to assume that his work ethic could be an issue or that he'd ever be a distraction.
What is it about him that makes you think otherwise? He's done nothing to suggest anything other than the above to date as far as I can tell.
These guys are barely out of the womb and we are already trying to determine what they are going to be when they grow up.
I'm not sure why that part of my post was met with such skepticism, but, bw gonna bw... :)
Not every athlete has that same restraint.
Playing on that team was probably unbelievably frustrating. Much like the horrific offensive lines Eli dealt with through the back 9 of his career. But Eli never complained or made a stink about it. He never made it an issue, he was never distracting. And I believe Jones would handle himself very similarly.
The football ability isn't the only thing Gettleman saw in Jones. I'm quite sure the way he handles himself played a role after all the BS we've been through in recent years.
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.
Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...
This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.
The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.
The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.
I think that's his point... he's satirizing those who had apoplectic reactions to Carter offering some reservations about Jones.
You, on the other hand, are convinced Jones will handle everything fairly seamlessly. So that intrigues me considering his background.
When the lights go on and you are judged by Ws, and a significant number of game’s have been played, then we’ll find out if Jones can handle the weight of his expectations. Which are enormous.
Until then, caution is in order...
Jones will have his day, but until then his job is to get ready because it’s coming...
He played against big schools and certainly faced constant pressure. We had this discussion a bunch of times around the draft but the Clemson game was what convinced me and was the single most impressive game I saw from any of the now rookie QB's. And that particular game wasn't a one-off, his whole schedule last season was possibly as tough as can for any CFB QB (especially given the talent around him). He won on the road in a monsoon against Miami, played Clemson tough on the road, beat Northwestern on the road in the game he broke his clavicle, and then had the best game of his career in the bowl game against Temple.
Caution is definitely warranted for any rookie QB but a few months later I think there's a lot that came through in the video against Clemson (but not necessarily the stat sheet due to the players around him) that's now coming through in practice reports. He's mobile, tough, accurate, puts great touch on the deep ball, and in that game generally made good decisions despite constant pressure.
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No big school program, no huge output, no signature moment(s), no constant pressure, etc. I usually like to something in a person’s background to indicate they have dealt with the big expectations/challenges.
He played against big schools and certainly faced constant pressure. We had this discussion a bunch of times around the draft but the Clemson game was what convinced me and was the single most impressive game I saw from any of the now rookie QB's. And that particular game wasn't a one-off, his whole schedule last season was possibly as tough as can for any CFB QB (especially given the talent around him). He won on the road in a monsoon against Miami, played Clemson tough on the road, beat Northwestern on the road in the game he broke his clavicle, and then had the best game of his career in the bowl game against Temple.
Caution is definitely warranted for any rookie QB but a few months later I think there's a lot that came through in the video against Clemson (but not necessarily the stat sheet due to the players around him) that's now coming through in practice reports. He's mobile, tough, accurate, puts great touch on the deep ball, and in that game generally made good decisions despite constant pressure.
They lost to Clemson 35-6 and he threw for 158 yards...
These are the same people who said Barkley wasn't good b/c he had 35 yards against Rutgers in 2017.
You, on the other hand, are convinced Jones will handle everything fairly seamlessly. So that intrigues me considering his background.
When the lights go on and you are judged by Ws, and a significant number of game’s have been played, then we’ll find out if Jones can handle the weight of his expectations. Which are enormous.
Until then, caution is in order...
Caution is only in order for me regarding his performance.
I have zero concerns about any of the other stuff.
It's fine if you do - I just really don't. I'll be stunned if Daniel Jones becomes a character concern or a guy who can't handle being criticized. He seemed to handle it pretty well after the draft...
I'd argue Haskins has faced less adversity than Jones. Jones had to get his butt kicked pretty regularly and had no help from anyone on his team through his entire college career.
I watched the game. Duke didn’t score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. That’s not exactly playing them tough.
Fate didn't do him any favors landing him with the redskins though. They're semi dysfunctional and have been for a long time.
Fate didn't do him any favors landing him with the redskins though. They're semi dysfunctional and have been for a long time.
A "pita?"
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If he's tough enough and can get the grey matter part of playing NFL QB he'll be a pita to play against for the next decade.
Fate didn't do him any favors landing him with the redskins though. They're semi dysfunctional and have been for a long time.
A "pita?"
pain in the ass
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If he's tough enough and can get the grey matter part of playing NFL QB he'll be a pita to play against for the next decade.
Fate didn't do him any favors landing him with the redskins though. They're semi dysfunctional and have been for a long time.
A "pita?"
pain in the ass
Ha! Thanks.
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.
I watched the game. Duke didn’t score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. That’s not exactly playing them tough.
Why does this matter? Daniel Jones doesn't play defense and Clemson's defense was among the toughest in the entire nation.
Kind of hard to score points against that with no help.
Not one player he played with was drafted by an NFL team.
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.
I watched the game. Duke didn’t score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. That’s not exactly playing them tough.
If you don't think a 1 score game at halftime against Clemson at home is playing tough, for Duke, without a single NFL caliber skill player, then I guess you didn't see what Clemson did to ND + Bama a month later at neutral sites.
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.
I watched the game. Duke didn’t score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. That’s not exactly playing them tough.
Why does this matter? Daniel Jones doesn't play defense and Clemson's defense was among the toughest in the entire nation.
Kind of hard to score points against that with no help.
Not one player he played with was drafted by an NFL team.
It's so agenda driven to cite stats from that game as a negative for Jones after what Clemson proved in the CFB playoff and then at the draft. 3 DL in the first 17 picks. The fact that Jones didn't commit a turnover in that game is borderline miraculous.
It's so agenda driven to cite stats from that game as a negative for Jones after what Clemson proved in the CFB playoff and then at the draft. 3 DL in the first 17 picks. The fact that Jones didn't commit a turnover in that game is borderline miraculous.
Not only those 3 top 17 picks but Clemson also had CB Trayvon Mullen taken early in round 2 and DE Austin Bryant in round 4. Also Isaiah Simmons is expected to go in round 1 next April.
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.
I watched the game. Duke didn’t score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. That’s not exactly playing them tough.
Lawrence himself said he knew Jones was the real deal playing against him in that game. He said exactly that, Jones was moving the ball against them and kept getting back up, they just couldn’t punch it in the end zone. Duke was a bad, bad, bad football team.