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What was your thought on Haskins's performance last night?

RC in MD : 8/16/2019 7:36 am
I caught part of the Redskins vs Bengals game last night (in the DC market), and despite a nice deep TD pass (definitely a pretty ball under duress), I thought majority of his night was "meh." I'm not sure if it was because he doesn't have a lot of talent around him or not, but his passes just seem less accurate than I expected.

Final stats:
7/14 - 114 yards - 1 TD

55 of the 114 yards were from that TD pass.
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RE: How little we remember how bad Eli looked in his first year  
Big Rick in FL : 8/16/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14531924 DC Gmen Fan said:
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It will be a couple years before we can pass judgement on Haskins unless he just can't play which doesn't appear to be the case.


What does Eli have to do with this? Everybody remembers Eli was bad as a rookie. It's 2019 and football is a completely different game geared towards helping the offense. QBs now shouldn't be compared to QB from 15+ years ago.
RE: Haskin's TD Pass: the corner stumbled, the pass was underthrown  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/16/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14531920 Jimmy Googs said:
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.

Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...


This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.

The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.

The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.
He hit a touchdown pass with a guy wrapped around him  
mattlawson : 8/16/2019 9:58 am : link
I thought that was pretty impressive
RE: RE: Haskin's TD Pass: the corner stumbled, the pass was underthrown  
DC Gmen Fan : 8/16/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14531935 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.

Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...



This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.

The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.

The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.



I think you missed the sarcasm.
RE: RE: RE: Haskin's TD Pass: the corner stumbled, the pass was underthrown  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14531939 DC Gmen Fan said:
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.

Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...



This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.

The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.

The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.




I think you missed the sarcasm.

Probably because it was incorrectly and unartfully presented.
On that TD pass  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 10:05 am : link
Take a close look at #57 - the Bengals third round pick Germaine Pratt - and the angle he takes getting to Haskins. He runs past Haskins to wrap him up - if he takes a more direct angle Haskins would have been toast.

It's a great throw by Haskins but a bad play by the Bengals' LB.
RE: RE: RE: Haskin's TD Pass: the corner stumbled, the pass was underthrown  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/16/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14531939 DC Gmen Fan said:
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.

Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...



This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.

The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.

The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.




I think you missed the sarcasm.


Well damn, he definitely got me if that's the case.
Bill  
Jimmy Googs : 8/16/2019 10:08 am : link
you seriously need that enema we spoke about last week...
I'm sure Chris Carter  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 10:30 am : link
Will masterbate repeatedly to his TD throw, possibly on air.
RE: RE: Kerry Wynn sacked Haskins  
Joey in VA : 8/16/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14531885 bw in dc said:
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But 3 TO's in limited action over 2 games... not very good, just not very impressed by Haskins. He reminds me of Jameis Winston a little. He probably can sling it a little better than Jameis can but I never saw either as Franchise QB's.



That could be an interesting comp. But I donít think Haskins is as reckless as Winston...on and off the field.
Rumor is that Haskins feels like he should just have the job and doesn't hit the playbook. Poor study habits is what I was told.
RE: RE: RE: Kerry Wynn sacked Haskins  
DC Gmen Fan : 8/16/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14531994 Joey in VA said:
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But 3 TO's in limited action over 2 games... not very good, just not very impressed by Haskins. He reminds me of Jameis Winston a little. He probably can sling it a little better than Jameis can but I never saw either as Franchise QB's.



That could be an interesting comp. But I donít think Haskins is as reckless as Winston...on and off the field.

Rumor is that Haskins feels like he should just have the job and doesn't hit the playbook. Poor study habits is what I was told.


I've heard the exact opposite Joey... truth must lie in the middle :)
I noticed that aceinthehouse stopped posting  
Jay on the Island : 8/16/2019 10:44 am : link
It's not surprising after he called Gettleman the "Redskins MVP" for letting them have Landon Collins, Dwayne Haskins, and Ereck Flowers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kerry Wynn sacked Haskins  
Jay on the Island : 8/16/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14531999 DC Gmen Fan said:
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But 3 TO's in limited action over 2 games... not very good, just not very impressed by Haskins. He reminds me of Jameis Winston a little. He probably can sling it a little better than Jameis can but I never saw either as Franchise QB's.



That could be an interesting comp. But I donít think Haskins is as reckless as Winston...on and off the field.

Rumor is that Haskins feels like he should just have the job and doesn't hit the playbook. Poor study habits is what I was told.



I've heard the exact opposite Joey... truth must lie in the middle :)

Depending on where you heard it from. Was it from a station or newspaper that Daniel Snyder owns?
RE: RE: RE: Kerry Wynn sacked Haskins  
arcarsenal : 8/16/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14531994 Joey in VA said:
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But 3 TO's in limited action over 2 games... not very good, just not very impressed by Haskins. He reminds me of Jameis Winston a little. He probably can sling it a little better than Jameis can but I never saw either as Franchise QB's.



That could be an interesting comp. But I donít think Haskins is as reckless as Winston...on and off the field.

Rumor is that Haskins feels like he should just have the job and doesn't hit the playbook. Poor study habits is what I was told.


Stuff like this is the vibe that I was getting and didn't like around draft time.

I was one of the bigger Haskins people here before that... and I still think he has the tools to be pretty good if he can get his feet right. He's a talented kid and he's bright. I think with the right coaching and dedication, he can be quite good.

But, there also seemed to be a small sense of entitlement and I think I'm just more sensitive to it now after what we dealt with with Beckham and some of the other guys who passed through here during what has been a very miserable stretch for us.

Jones might be great, he might suck, he will likely fall somewhere in between that vast scope of outcomes... but one thing I am certain of is that he has the right mindset for this city and this position. He will handle it much like Eli has for so long and we will never have to worry about Jones' work ethic or anything but football with him.

I don't think Haskins is a bad kid - he's not a criminal. I don't think anything like that. There's just a vibe with him that made me recoil a bit. Fairly or not.
What are some people watching?  
Strahan91 : 8/16/2019 10:53 am : link
When Haskins releases the ball the defender is in lockstep with the receiver. Defender stumbles for no apparent reason leading to a wide open TD. It's impressive that he was able to make the throw downfield with the pressure bearing down on him but some folks on here are acting like it was Eli to Manningham against Atlanta in the playoffs.
One of Haskins' strengths has always been his deep ball.  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/16/2019 11:18 am : link
He's going to have a good one in the pros.

Also, why are we analyzing pre-season?
Reserve judgement  
Bluesbreaker : 8/16/2019 11:59 am : link
until I see him play saw the replay made a great
throw just as he was being sacked .
Same with Jones he looked very good but have not seen
him under pressure and it's still pre-season .
Meh.  
Red Dog : 8/16/2019 12:08 pm : link
What I took away from what little I watched of this game is that NFL officiating still can't find its ass with it's own two hands.

The offensive pass interference call on the Redskins receiver that I saw was completely ass backwards. It was a clear case of defensive pi, but they called it on the offense and upheld it on review.

The only conclusion is that NFL officiating is still grossly incompetent or flat out bought.
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BSIMatt : 8/16/2019 12:14 pm : link
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Dwayne Haskins notes:

-Excellent deep ball under pressure that is making all of the highlight reels. One of the better throws of the week.

-Short area accuracy wasn't great. Left a few behind, left YAC on the table

-Missed three deep passes from clean pocket
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kerry Wynn sacked Haskins  
bw in dc : 8/16/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14532006 arcarsenal said:
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Jones might be great, he might suck, he will likely fall somewhere in between that vast scope of outcomes... but one thing I am certain of is that he has the right mindset for this city and this position. He will handle it much like Eli has for so long and we will never have to worry about Jones' work ethic or anything but football with him.


What is this based on that you are so convinced?

Look at Eli. Eli had the family name, was a five star recruit, was the younger brother to Peyton, went to his dadís alma mater, got arrested at Ole Miss (faced adversity instantly on campus), etc, etc. So he had a foundation of dealing with enormous expectations...and succeeding.

Where the hell do we see any of that with Jones? He played in Durham for a basketball school with zero football expectations

He may work out fine, but I struggle to see anything in his resume to create such clarity that Jones in made for this...
It will take about 30 games  
arniefez : 8/16/2019 12:27 pm : link
to figure out how good a rookie QB is. If a rookie QB is good enough and has enough ownership, front office, coaching and player support to start 30 games. In year 4 after the MN game Eli was on the verge of losing some support and then a few months later he won the Super Bowl. In year 4. Way too early tell on these guys.
Man I hope Jones wins quickly  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 12:27 pm : link
So bw will shut the hell up about him.
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arcarsenal : 8/16/2019 12:32 pm : link
You think Daniel Jones is going to be a problem in the locker room or handle media poorly? Or think New York is too big for him to handle?

I'd ask you what convinces you that he won't or that this stage is something he won't be able to cope with.

Everything I've seen from him thus far is that his persona is very much like Eli's. He got shit on by thousands and thousands of fans on draft night and thereafter and nary a peep... he doesn't go on Twitter acting like a loose-cannon or explode on the media. He's a very humble guy; I don't sense ANY entitlement or persona problems there in the early going and it would stun me if Jones was ever any sort of distraction for this team.

I expect things to be about football and virtually nothing else with Jones - just like it's been with Eli.

I didn't say I was convinced he'd be a great QB. That part remains to be seen. But I'm not sure what he's shown that would cause anyone to assume that his work ethic could be an issue or that he'd ever be a distraction.

What is it about him that makes you think otherwise? He's done nothing to suggest anything other than the above to date as far as I can tell.
Everyone needs to just chill out there...  
EricJ : 8/16/2019 12:35 pm : link
with the early criticism of ANY of the rookie QBs. If Jones has a bad game tonight, we will be making excuses for him.

These guys are barely out of the womb and we are already trying to determine what they are going to be when they grow up.
I feel like being an overlooked recruit who was  
BSIMatt : 8/16/2019 12:37 pm : link
Barely recruited out of high school and was going to attend Princeton and then switching to a bottom feeding team of a power 5 conference with overmatched supporting cast and playing his way into becoming a top 10 nfl draft pick is evidence of overcoming adversity.
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arcarsenal : 8/16/2019 12:37 pm : link
I had questions about Daniel Jones the player leading up to draft night... but never Daniel Jones the person.

I'm not sure why that part of my post was met with such skepticism, but, bw gonna bw... :)
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arcarsenal : 8/16/2019 12:41 pm : link
Imagine being far and away the best player on your football team - surrounded by players who were not and are not capable of playing in the NFL. Throwing pass after pass that gets dropped. Having your supporting cast fail you over and over... play through injuries, and never complain once or throw anyone under the bus.

Not every athlete has that same restraint.

Playing on that team was probably unbelievably frustrating. Much like the horrific offensive lines Eli dealt with through the back 9 of his career. But Eli never complained or made a stink about it. He never made it an issue, he was never distracting. And I believe Jones would handle himself very similarly.

The football ability isn't the only thing Gettleman saw in Jones. I'm quite sure the way he handles himself played a role after all the BS we've been through in recent years.
RE: RE: Haskin's TD Pass: the corner stumbled, the pass was underthrown  
santacruzom : 8/16/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14531935 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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his feet weren't under him, most of his yards came on one pass.

Not for nothing, but I think many of you need to change your BBI handles to Cris Carter...



This is just such an ironic post. The pass was 45 yards in the air and hit the WR perfectly in stride, and Haskins made this pass while under extremely heavy pressure.

The corner just got beat but the ball was not even close to underthrown. It was simply a great play by Haskins.

The way you criticized Haskins in that post is exactly the BS Cris Carter did with Jones.


I think that's his point... he's satirizing those who had apoplectic reactions to Carter offering some reservations about Jones.
arc...  
bw in dc : 8/16/2019 1:36 pm : link
I really donít know what to expect. No big school program, no huge output, no signature moment(s), no constant pressure, etc. I usually like to something in a personís background to indicate they have dealt with the big expectations/challenges.

You, on the other hand, are convinced Jones will handle everything fairly seamlessly. So that intrigues me considering his background.

When the lights go on and you are judged by Ws, and a significant number of gameís have been played, then weíll find out if Jones can handle the weight of his expectations. Which are enormous.

Until then, caution is in order...
The Giants are being cautious. That is why they agreed  
Jimmy Googs : 8/16/2019 1:44 pm : link
to keep and pay full toll with Eli in 2019. And why he is most likely de facto starter for some time more.

Jones will have his day, but until then his job is to get ready because itís coming...

RE: arc...  
Eric on Li : 8/16/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14532192 bw in dc said:
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No big school program, no huge output, no signature moment(s), no constant pressure, etc. I usually like to something in a personís background to indicate they have dealt with the big expectations/challenges.


He played against big schools and certainly faced constant pressure. We had this discussion a bunch of times around the draft but the Clemson game was what convinced me and was the single most impressive game I saw from any of the now rookie QB's. And that particular game wasn't a one-off, his whole schedule last season was possibly as tough as can for any CFB QB (especially given the talent around him). He won on the road in a monsoon against Miami, played Clemson tough on the road, beat Northwestern on the road in the game he broke his clavicle, and then had the best game of his career in the bowl game against Temple.

Caution is definitely warranted for any rookie QB but a few months later I think there's a lot that came through in the video against Clemson (but not necessarily the stat sheet due to the players around him) that's now coming through in practice reports. He's mobile, tough, accurate, puts great touch on the deep ball, and in that game generally made good decisions despite constant pressure.
RE: RE: arc...  
ajr2456 : 8/16/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14532212 Eric on Li said:
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No big school program, no huge output, no signature moment(s), no constant pressure, etc. I usually like to something in a personís background to indicate they have dealt with the big expectations/challenges.




He played against big schools and certainly faced constant pressure. We had this discussion a bunch of times around the draft but the Clemson game was what convinced me and was the single most impressive game I saw from any of the now rookie QB's. And that particular game wasn't a one-off, his whole schedule last season was possibly as tough as can for any CFB QB (especially given the talent around him). He won on the road in a monsoon against Miami, played Clemson tough on the road, beat Northwestern on the road in the game he broke his clavicle, and then had the best game of his career in the bowl game against Temple.

Caution is definitely warranted for any rookie QB but a few months later I think there's a lot that came through in the video against Clemson (but not necessarily the stat sheet due to the players around him) that's now coming through in practice reports. He's mobile, tough, accurate, puts great touch on the deep ball, and in that game generally made good decisions despite constant pressure.


They lost to Clemson 35-6 and he threw for 158 yards...
Judging a qb by stats  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 3:20 pm : link
Without watching the game is kind of pointless.
RE: Judging a qb by stats  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14532291 dep026 said:
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.


These are the same people who said Barkley wasn't good b/c he had 35 yards against Rutgers in 2017.
Exactly. It could have been raining for instance  
Jimmy Googs : 8/16/2019 3:39 pm : link
like it did in all of Eliís starts in 2018
RE: arc...  
arcarsenal : 8/16/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14532192 bw in dc said:
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I really donít know what to expect. No big school program, no huge output, no signature moment(s), no constant pressure, etc. I usually like to something in a personís background to indicate they have dealt with the big expectations/challenges.

You, on the other hand, are convinced Jones will handle everything fairly seamlessly. So that intrigues me considering his background.

When the lights go on and you are judged by Ws, and a significant number of gameís have been played, then weíll find out if Jones can handle the weight of his expectations. Which are enormous.

Until then, caution is in order...


Caution is only in order for me regarding his performance.

I have zero concerns about any of the other stuff.

It's fine if you do - I just really don't. I'll be stunned if Daniel Jones becomes a character concern or a guy who can't handle being criticized. He seemed to handle it pretty well after the draft...

I'd argue Haskins has faced less adversity than Jones. Jones had to get his butt kicked pretty regularly and had no help from anyone on his team through his entire college career.
This is not The Ohio State  
Bruner4329 : 8/16/2019 4:05 pm : link
Big difference playing in the Pros as opposed to having all day in the pocket like he did at OSU.
RE: Judging a qb by stats  
ajr2456 : 8/16/2019 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14532291 dep026 said:
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.


I watched the game. Duke didnít score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. Thatís not exactly playing them tough.
Terrific arm with a quick release and better movement than advertised  
Torrag : 8/16/2019 5:24 pm : link
If he's tough enough and can get the grey matter part of playing NFL QB he'll be a pita to play against for the next decade.

Fate didn't do him any favors landing him with the redskins though. They're semi dysfunctional and have been for a long time.
RE: Terrific arm with a quick release and better movement than advertised  
Klaatu : 8/16/2019 5:27 pm : link
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If he's tough enough and can get the grey matter part of playing NFL QB he'll be a pita to play against for the next decade.

Fate didn't do him any favors landing him with the redskins though. They're semi dysfunctional and have been for a long time.


A "pita?"
RE: RE: Terrific arm with a quick release and better movement than advertised  
ron mexico : 8/16/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14532431 Klaatu said:
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If he's tough enough and can get the grey matter part of playing NFL QB he'll be a pita to play against for the next decade.

Fate didn't do him any favors landing him with the redskins though. They're semi dysfunctional and have been for a long time.



A "pita?"


pain in the ass
RE: RE: RE: Terrific arm with a quick release and better movement than advertised  
Klaatu : 8/16/2019 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14532438 ron mexico said:
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If he's tough enough and can get the grey matter part of playing NFL QB he'll be a pita to play against for the next decade.

Fate didn't do him any favors landing him with the redskins though. They're semi dysfunctional and have been for a long time.



A "pita?"



pain in the ass


Ha! Thanks.
RE: RE: Judging a qb by stats  
arcarsenal : 8/16/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14532419 ajr2456 said:
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.



I watched the game. Duke didnít score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. Thatís not exactly playing them tough.


Why does this matter? Daniel Jones doesn't play defense and Clemson's defense was among the toughest in the entire nation.

Kind of hard to score points against that with no help.

Not one player he played with was drafted by an NFL team.
Aaron Rodgers sucks...heard he couldn't will his way to the end zone  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 6:08 pm : link
for a score on east Bumble fuck community College when he played the 85 bears.
Maybe this was mentioned and I missed it but was Haskins  
Blue21 : 8/16/2019 7:09 pm : link
playing against the ones or twos?
RE: RE: Judging a qb by stats  
Eric on Li : 8/16/2019 8:10 pm : link
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.



I watched the game. Duke didnít score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. Thatís not exactly playing them tough.


If you don't think a 1 score game at halftime against Clemson at home is playing tough, for Duke, without a single NFL caliber skill player, then I guess you didn't see what Clemson did to ND + Bama a month later at neutral sites.
RE: RE: RE: Judging a qb by stats  
Eric on Li : 8/16/2019 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14532448 arcarsenal said:
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.



I watched the game. Duke didnít score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. Thatís not exactly playing them tough.



Why does this matter? Daniel Jones doesn't play defense and Clemson's defense was among the toughest in the entire nation.

Kind of hard to score points against that with no help.

Not one player he played with was drafted by an NFL team.


It's so agenda driven to cite stats from that game as a negative for Jones after what Clemson proved in the CFB playoff and then at the draft. 3 DL in the first 17 picks. The fact that Jones didn't commit a turnover in that game is borderline miraculous.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Judging a qb by stats  
Jay on the Island : 8/17/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14532786 Eric on Li said:
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It's so agenda driven to cite stats from that game as a negative for Jones after what Clemson proved in the CFB playoff and then at the draft. 3 DL in the first 17 picks. The fact that Jones didn't commit a turnover in that game is borderline miraculous.

Not only those 3 top 17 picks but Clemson also had CB Trayvon Mullen taken early in round 2 and DE Austin Bryant in round 4. Also Isaiah Simmons is expected to go in round 1 next April.
RE: RE: Judging a qb by stats  
darren in pdx : 8/17/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14532419 ajr2456 said:
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Without watching the game is kind of pointless.



I watched the game. Duke didnít score a touchdown. Clemson scores 35 unanswered points from the point Duke went up 6-0. Thatís not exactly playing them tough.


Lawrence himself said he knew Jones was the real deal playing against him in that game. He said exactly that, Jones was moving the ball against them and kept getting back up, they just couldnít punch it in the end zone. Duke was a bad, bad, bad football team.
It's hard to make sweeping judgments in pre-season, but my feeling is  
Ira : 8/17/2019 3:52 pm : link
that all three qb's that went in the first round deserved to go in the first round and we got one of the two best.
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