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Thoughts on Webb/Geno/McAdoo now?

BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/16/2019 4:01 pm
Listening to the WFAN today, they were talking about Davis Webb being cut by the Jets. Ben wasn’t a great manager of a locker room and not a great fit for NY as a head coach, but most killed him for starting Geno over giving Webb a shot. Knowing how Webb panned out, do you still hold it against him?
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McAdoo didn't know how to support his players  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/16/2019 6:53 pm : link
particularly Eli. Until you are ready to make the switch, you have to support the people that play for you. He didn't. Eli would never throw players or coaches under the bus. While McAdoo was fairly subtle about it, he did.

The decision that Geno Smith was a better option than Eli was absurd. Mara thought that he was going to give Webb a chance in some games. The switch to a never was in Geno was just pointless. It got him fired.
Team needed to be burned to the ground  
Dankbeerman : 8/16/2019 7:00 pm : link
Reese stacked the the wood dump gas on it handed the pack of matches to Macadodo and he lit it up.

RE: As soon..  
christian : 8/16/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14532512 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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as it was apparent that 2017 was a lost season, there was no reason to have Geno on the roster. And the fact that Webb wasn't getting reps to at least try and develop him is on the coaching staff.

When they were at 1 or 2 wins, you cut Geno and have Webb get all the practice reps. Hell, he was supposedly a study rat and picks things up quickly.


I imagine this didn't happen because Webb was not capable in the least of operating an NFL offense.

The events of the last 2 offseasons are good indicate as much.

Some guys don't need a trial by fire to show who they are, a trial by smoke signals seemed to be enough with Webb.
I have been wrong on many things :)  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 7:22 pm : link
But even a monkeys ass could have seen how bad Webb was in college. How he was drafted in third round will go down as one of the biggest head scratchers in my time following college football and the draft.
RE: As soon..  
ron mexico : 8/16/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14532512 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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as it was apparent that 2017 was a lost season, there was no reason to have Geno on the roster. And the fact that Webb wasn't getting reps to at least try and develop him is on the coaching staff.

When they were at 1 or 2 wins, you cut Geno and have Webb get all the practice reps. Hell, he was supposedly a study rat and picks things up quickly.


I agree 100%. I hope the current regime doesn't make the same mistake. But Eli doesn't seem like a guy who likes to miss reps.
RE: RE: As soon..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14532552 christian said:
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In comment 14532512 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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as it was apparent that 2017 was a lost season, there was no reason to have Geno on the roster. And the fact that Webb wasn't getting reps to at least try and develop him is on the coaching staff.

When they were at 1 or 2 wins, you cut Geno and have Webb get all the practice reps. Hell, he was supposedly a study rat and picks things up quickly.



I imagine this didn't happen because Webb was not capable in the least of operating an NFL offense.

The events of the last 2 offseasons are good indicate as much.

Some guys don't need a trial by fire to show who they are, a trial by smoke signals seemed to be enough with Webb.


I agree that Webb probably looked terrible, but it wasn't like the season was going anywhere. Even if Geno won a game, what would it have accomplished? He'd have been gone the next season too.

My feeling is Mac wasn't a good HC because he lacked the foresight needed and was terrible at managing the players and the locker room.

There was no reason short term or long term to start Geno or even have him on the roster once the season was lost
RE: This was the final culmination of a massive cluster f^ck  
Reb8thVA : 8/16/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14532417 Red Dog said:
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that started when Reese was elevated to General Manager. Not that he was a bad pick, because he had excellent credentials. But he should have been removed before this Webb/Geno/McAdoodoo mess happened.

This stinking disaster just rolled along for a decade, gathering strength as it went while ownership ignored the growing signs of management incompetence.

Webb was a mistake, one of a long, long, long line of draft mistakes by Reese & Ross. But he comes out of this with the least egg on his face. And hopefully he will get on with his career which seems to be destined to make him a coach someday.

Geno ("Mr. Big Play For The Opponent") was a disaster from the word go. I have a nice collection of low-mileage bridges to show to anybody who thinks he is a starting QB in this league.

McAdoo was totally incompetent. Actually worse than Ray Handley. There, I've said it.

As somebody who suffered through the seemingly endless string of Championship losses in the late 50s and early 60s followed by the fifteen years of lousy football, I am very relieved that this largely lost decade of incompetence is behind us. And I am very sorry that Eli Manning, who is probably the best QB the team has ever had, was forced to waste the best years of his career during this awful time.


Preach on brother! You know it!
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Amazinz : 8/16/2019 7:58 pm : link
Yes. I still hold it against him.
Geno sucks!!  
ZogZerg : 8/16/2019 7:59 pm : link
It was stupid to sign him and start him.
RE: McAdoo didn't know how to support his players  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14532518 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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particularly Eli. Until you are ready to make the switch, you have to support the people that play for you. He didn't. Eli would never throw players or coaches under the bus. While McAdoo was fairly subtle about it, he did.

The decision that Geno Smith was a better option than Eli was absurd. Mara thought that he was going to give Webb a chance in some games. The switch to a never was in Geno was just pointless. It got him fired.

Reese and Macadoo were absolutely POS, throwing our totally classy team first qb under the bus. Obj probably learned a thing or two from them. Subbing Smith for Eli and breaking his Ironman streak has to be the greatest ass clown decision in sports. Of all time.
All you need to know about Geno was written by Nolan Nawrocki  
fanofthejets : 8/19/2019 12:28 pm : link
And he was panned for that assessment but it proved right. Every last word.

Sure he's an NFL backup but he's just too nonchalant, too apathetic, poor work ethic, no leadership skills. No natural football instincts either. I mean who runs backwards 20 yards and then takes the sack passing up opportunities to throw the ball away and remain in FG range on 3rd down?

You don't want someone like that on your roster in any role
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