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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 7:23 pm
Not expected to play tonight #CHIvsNYG:

RB Barkley (coaches decision)
RB Gallman (ankle)
CB Beal (hamstring)
CB Baker (knee)
LB Ogletree (calf)
OT Mihalik (burner)
OT Asafo-Adjei (concussion)
WR Slayton (hamstring)
WR S. Shepard (thumb)
TE Engram (coaches decision)
LS Zak DeOssie (toe)
Bears not playing starters tonight  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/16/2019 7:26 pm : link
on both sides of the ball
I wNt the starters  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 7:27 pm : link
To exert their will on backups. Which means Eli moves the ball for a score and the defense keeps them out of the end zone. Lets do this the right way.
RE: I wNt the starters  
joeinpa : 8/16/2019 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14532563 dep026 said:
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To exert their will on backups. Which means Eli moves the ball for a score and the defense keeps them out of the end zone. Lets do this the right way.


Yep
This is a game where we find out what our depth is all about  
Canton : 8/16/2019 7:31 pm : link
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RE: Bears not playing starters tonight  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14532562 Sneakers O'toole said:
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on both sides of the ball


Keeping it close to the vest based on meeting later in the regular seaso? or am I overstating strategy and it's just all about health? Curious move for the second exhibition game.
This is the first step towards an 18 game regular season with  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:35 pm : link
two preseason games. The coaches think the preseason is a waste of time and just like going for it on 4th, finally coaches are coming around.
Honestly, I expect Eli to light it up tonight.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:36 pm : link
.
Hopefully,  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:37 pm : link
there will be no injuries. We've already had a lot.

I'm interested in the WRs and LBs.
No starters for CHI.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 7:37 pm : link
So, by some folks logic last week, I guess nothing that any Giants player does 'counts' tonight.

Hehe.
RE: No starters for CHI.  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14532583 Dave in Hoboken said:
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So, by some folks logic last week, I guess nothing that any Giants player does 'counts' tonight.

Hehe.


If our starters are trash that isnt a good thing
Latimer burned that guy.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:39 pm : link
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Seeing a clean pocket is such a breath of fresh air...  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 7:39 pm : link
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Nice  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:39 pm : link
start, although the DB fell down.
good start  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 7:39 pm : link
first down first play
Rod Smith with a nice run.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 7:40 pm : link
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Great  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:41 pm : link
blocking by Remmers and Hernandez.
Great blocking  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 7:41 pm : link
By Hernandez.
RE: Great  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14532593 AcidTest said:
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blocking by Remmers and Hernandez.


Zeitler.
Irregardless of whos playing for the Bears  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 7:42 pm : link
remarkable what this offense can do both running and passing when the blocking is there
Acid Test  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 7:42 pm : link
Beat me!
nice touch on that  
markky : 8/16/2019 7:42 pm : link
nice to see the OL do their job
RE: Irregardless of whos playing for the Bears  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14532596 mfsd said:
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remarkable what this offense can do both running and passing when the blocking is there


Well yeh the blocking isn't just there, they are dominating.
How can you discount the fact that it's the Bears  
CT Charlie : 8/16/2019 7:45 pm : link
second string?

Fowler makes a play!!  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 7:45 pm : link
10 play TD drive, and a beauty!
The  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:46 pm : link
story of that drive was the blocking.
Thats a fine, fine drive  
jpkmets : 8/16/2019 7:46 pm : link
Good to see!
Exactly what you wanna see  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 7:46 pm : link
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Ok, our 1s can dominate 2s of a good team  
Ben in Tampa : 8/16/2019 7:46 pm : link
That is an improvement!
Well good sign, our offensive line looked like the 2016 Cowboys.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:46 pm : link
And our Wrs that need to step up look like they can beat the Bears scrubs.
Fantastic drive  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/16/2019 7:46 pm : link
No reason to see Eli play anymore.


Id like to keep the OL in
RE: How can you discount the fact that it's the Bears  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14532602 CT Charlie said:
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second string?


I don't, but I'm nonetheless happy to see some good blocking.
Bears 2nd team giving some resistance,  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
but we still moved the ball fairly well. Ill take it. I like Fowler too. I think he makes this roster regardless of him not playing on Specials.
Nice drive  
Bluesbreaker : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
Eli looked sharp .
Nice snap  
XBRONX : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
on the extra point by Pepper. By Deossie.
Giants fans: JONES WAS PERFECT, HE HAS TO START!  
81_Great_Dane : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
Eli Manning: Hold my beer.
Very nice  
OBJRoyal : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
Drive by the offense!! OL looked good, run game was ok and Eli looked good
nice drive  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
no penalties. last year I doubt they could run 10 plays without a penalty.
RE: How can you discount the fact that it's the Bears  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14532602 CT Charlie said:
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second string?


No basically whatever they did it wouldnt matter to you?

Its not their fault Mack isnt playing
RE: Bears 2nd team giving some resistance,  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14532613 Simms11 said:
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but we still moved the ball fairly well. Ill take it. I like Fowler too. I think he makes this roster regardless of him not playing on Specials.


Lol what? What resistance?
RE: RE: Irregardless of whos playing for the Bears  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14532600 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14532596 mfsd said:


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remarkable what this offense can do both running and passing when the blocking is there



Well yeh the blocking isn't just there, they are dominating.


True true...but what I love too is seeing our guys get their assignments right. No plays blown up bc somebody whiffed on his read or something like that.
Looked sharp and no penalties.  
RDJR : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
Now let Jones play next series.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
Barkley is going to love this line. There was one gigantic hole that he would have taken it to the house.
Not to be outdone  
mattlawson : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
4/4 and a TD for manning.
If we..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
can just get average OL play - we will be a much more competitive team this year.

And thus far through a game and a drive, the OL is better than average
Fowler got good  
rebel yell : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
separation out of the slot. Nice drive and TD.
Why  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
isn't Engram playing? I know why Saquon isn't playing, no sense in having him play in these games, we already know how good he is.

But Engram needs reps. He's talented, but he hasn't played anywhere near well enough to this point where he doesn't need the preseason reps.
RE: How can you discount the fact that it's the Bears  
BillT : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14532602 CT Charlie said:
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second string?

Yeah, let's find some negatives as soon as possible.
RE: Ok, our 1s can dominate 2s of a good team  
micky : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14532609 Ben in Tampa said:
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That is an improvement!


Lmao
Looking really sharp!!!  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
The execution on the TD drive was excellent! NICE!!!
RE: Fantastic drive  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14532611 Joey from GlenCove said:
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No reason to see Eli play anymore.


Id like to keep the OL in


Eli should play another drive or 2 IMO. Live action against another team is good practice for him. Hes going to be the starter week 1.
RE: How can you discount the fact that it's the Bears  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14532602 CT Charlie said:
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second string?


They had a great drive against an inferior defense. Exactly what you'd hope out of your first string. Also exactly what they wouldn't have done the past few years. They've met reasonable expectations. And yes, we've reached the point that merely meeting reasonable expectations is exciting. But nonetheless...
It s the Bears 2  
joeinpa : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
Yep, and Eli and Giants lit them up
RE: nice drive  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14532618 Steve in ATL said:
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no penalties. last year I doubt they could run 10 plays without a penalty.


That's true. I kept waiting to see holding called
Smith may be the most underrated pickup of the offseason  
Chris684 : 8/16/2019 7:49 pm : link
Tough, downhill runner. Plays on every special teams unit. Most importantly, will take a lot of punishment between the tackles that would otherwise be on Saquon.
RE: Looked sharp and no penalties.  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14532622 RDJR said:
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Now let Jones play next series.


Yeah I'm guessing Jones gets it until halftime?
I also..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:49 pm : link
like when Rosas hits the high hangers and forces teams to run the kickoffs
Oh snap...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 7:49 pm : link
...Superbowl!
Hopefully....  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 7:49 pm : link
Defense can follow suit!!!
Nice  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:50 pm : link
hustle by Hill, and push by Lawrence.
RE: ...  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14532623 Eric from BBI said:
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Barkley is going to love this line. There was one gigantic hole that he would have taken it to the house.


There is no way our line looks this good in regular season. The last time I saw domination like that at the NFL level was the 16 Boys. These guys are improved on the crap we have been trotting out there, but there really isn't much to be dissected when we dominated so hard up front. I will say our WRs that need to step up looked good.
Really good blocking  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 7:50 pm : link

Really good start
In previous years  
darren in pdx : 8/16/2019 7:51 pm : link
the o-line struggled against 2nd stringers during the preseason. They played well against inferior competition, that's what you want and expect to happen.

..that is a weaksauce penalty.
Hate..  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 7:51 pm : link
...that penalty.
Incidental contact should be a no call.
Youd hope the starting D would take note that they are playing  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 7:52 pm : link
2nd stringers?!
Tomlinson  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:52 pm : link
with a PF. More nice hustle from Hill running down the screen from behind.
Dumb penalty  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 7:52 pm : link
but Carter got some pressure there, good sign. He'll learn hopefully not to do that. Those are the penalties that can cost you a game in the regular season, so hopefully it gets cleaned up.

Hill is a player. That would have gone a long way if not for his hustle
Wasn't there..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:52 pm : link
a thread yesterday saying Simonson was cut?
I get the risk to playing in preseason  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/16/2019 7:52 pm : link
And there is no reason for 4 games. (Besides money)

But I think a few reps are good. Surprised the bears arent playing any of their main guys
Yikes  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 7:52 pm : link
Come on defense.
Shitty Defense!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 7:52 pm : link
Nobody sets Edge!
Connelly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:53 pm : link
was set up for a huge play there but the edge wasn't set
Cant get off the field on 3rd down  
BlueHurricane : 8/16/2019 7:53 pm : link
Sounds familiar.
Not a good play  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 7:53 pm : link
By Carter. Disappointing. Needs to see the edge.
Our defense is going to suck.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:53 pm : link
For at least the first half of the season while the dbacks learn communication
Lawrence looks like a beast in the middle  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 7:54 pm : link
Carter has to tighten some shit up, but he stands out as an athlete out there
Set  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 7:54 pm : link
The edge.
Yep. Our defense is  
rebel yell : 8/16/2019 7:54 pm : link
going to be our Achilles heel this year unless we can really gel quickly.
Run Defense sucks ass!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 7:54 pm : link
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the ends  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 7:55 pm : link
and linebackers holding up against the run scares me.

And that was an obvious penalty on Carter. He didn't club him in the head but it was plenty enough to draw a flag. That will be called every time. The rules are the rules, players have to adjust. Just can't go anywhere near the head of the QB, even if you dont hit him hard it''s going to be called.
The one thing Im noticing  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 7:55 pm : link
Is Peppers is evrerywhere. Which is a good thing.
Cant get off the field on 3rd down  
BlueHurricane : 8/16/2019 7:55 pm : link
Sounds familiar
We have..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:55 pm : link
a lot of side to side speed it seems.

That's something to work with
The lack of pass rush is extremely alarming  
Giantfan21 : 8/16/2019 7:55 pm : link
If they can't generate a pass rush against the bears backups they are in big trouble.
Bears backup offense driving on our starting defense.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 7:56 pm : link
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Connolly has to start  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 7:56 pm : link
It seems like he diagnoses every play.
Jenkins still got the wheels  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 7:56 pm : link
.
Damn no pressure  
Rflairr : 8/16/2019 7:56 pm : link
against their backups? Jeesh
RE: The one thing Im noticing  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14532663 dep026 said:
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Is Peppers is evrerywhere. Which is a good thing.


Agreed.
That was a preseason play by Nagy there.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 7:57 pm : link
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RE: The lack of pass rush is extremely alarming  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14532666 Giantfan21 said:
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If they can't generate a pass rush against the bears backups they are in big trouble.


That really didn't figure into this drive. The Bears were getting the passes out really quickly.
Some good, some bad on that series  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 7:57 pm : link
Jackrabbit reminding everyone why hes still perhaps our best defensive player
At least it's not 7!  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 7:57 pm : link
I can live with a field goal but the inexperience on defense is evident with all the young guys we have starting!
Seem like they have no sacks......  
thrunthrublue : 8/16/2019 7:57 pm : link
Since forever!
The play Jenkins made on that reverse  
Chris684 : 8/16/2019 7:57 pm : link
was awesome. His closing speed was insane.
RE: Some good, some bad on that series  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14532674 mfsd said:
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Jackrabbit reminding everyone why hes still perhaps our best defensive player


Agreed! He hustled his ass off to across the field to help stop that play. I was extremely impressed!!!
RE: The play Jenkins made on that reverse  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14532677 Chris684 said:
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was awesome. His closing speed was insane.


Yep. Two plays in a row his closing speed prevented a first down or big play
Run Defense is sorely lacking and  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 7:59 pm : link
Im not crazy about Tomlinson in the middle. LBers also need to do a better job.
Don't like Ballentine running back kicks...  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:00 pm : link
He's too valuable.
RE: Connolly has to start  
RDJR : 8/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14532668 RobCarpenter said:
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It seems like he diagnoses every play.


Has to make tackles.
RE: The play Jenkins made on that reverse  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14532677 Chris684 said:
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was awesome. His closing speed was insane.


Agreed. Eli is done for the night.
Fans just cheered big time for Jones name being announced  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
into the game.
Smith looks  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
Much better than Perkins so far.
RE: Run Defense is sorely lacking and  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14532682 Simms11 said:
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Im not crazy about Tomlinson in the middle. LBers also need to do a better job.


Connelly is there, but he cant take on an entire OL himself
RE: The lack of pass rush is extremely alarming  
Toth029 : 8/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14532666 Giantfan21 said:
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If they can't generate a pass rush against the bears backups they are in big trouble.

Ends are getting a push. Inside is not which makes it easy for the QB to step up.
Rod Smith  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
Looking good tonight!!!
Danny Jones...  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:02 pm : link
Accurate!!!!
I really love Smith as the perfect compliment to SB  
Chris684 : 8/16/2019 8:02 pm : link
We can do a lot of damage on the ground this year.
Fowler and DJ.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 8:02 pm : link
.
Another dime by  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:02 pm : link
Jones.
Niiiiice throw  
jpkmets : 8/16/2019 8:03 pm : link
By Jonesy
Who needs OBJ  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 8:03 pm : link
Weve got Fowler!
Another  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:03 pm : link
very accurate throw by Jones.
RE: RE: Run Defense is sorely lacking and  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14532690 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14532682 Simms11 said:


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Im not crazy about Tomlinson in the middle. LBers also need to do a better job.



Connelly is there, but he cant take on an entire OL himself


And the point about the DLine playing more stout in the middle too.
RE: Rod Smith  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14532692 nzyme said:
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Looking good tonight!!!


Yes sir, knows hes playing for a job and running hard.
Line looks  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 8:03 pm : link
decent but one injury and the entire thing could blow up in their face. No depth whatsoever. Better than where they have been in recent years obviously, but like many areas on the team, depth doesn't exist.
Jones  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 8:04 pm : link
Baby
RE: I really love Smith as the perfect compliment to SB  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14532695 Chris684 said:
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We can do a lot of damage on the ground this year.


I'm really interested to see Hillman tonight! Surprised he's back tonight since his head hit the turf hard in the last game.
Rod smith looks very good  
Giantfan21 : 8/16/2019 8:04 pm : link
I think perkins is the odd man out
RE: Line looks  
Chris684 : 8/16/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14532703 MookGiants said:
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decent but one injury and the entire thing could blow up in their face. No depth whatsoever. Better than where they have been in recent years obviously, but like many areas on the team, depth doesn't exist.


Where are the teams with all of this great OL depth?
RE: RE: Rod Smith  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14532702 mfsd said:
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In comment 14532692 nzyme said:


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Looking good tonight!!!



Yes sir, knows hes playing for a job and running hard.


Smith is on 4 special teams too. He is a lock to make the team.
RE: Line looks  
GiantEgo : 8/16/2019 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14532703 MookGiants said:
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decent but one injury and the entire thing could blow up in their face. No depth whatsoever. Better than where they have been in recent years obviously, but like many areas on the team, depth doesn't exist.


The forces of darkness determined to prevent anyone from enjoying even a single play.
Would have liked to see one more series for Manning  
BillT : 8/16/2019 8:06 pm : link
But no big deal and Jones is interesting to watch.
DJ is the real deal...  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
He's impressing the hell out of me!!!!
RE: Line looks  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14532703 MookGiants said:
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decent but one injury and the entire thing could blow up in their face. No depth whatsoever. Better than where they have been in recent years obviously, but like many areas on the team, depth doesn't exist.

You're fucking miserable.
i'm not sure Jones will ever throw  
markky : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
an incomplete pass
This Jones kid  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
...
Daniel Jones.  
Ryan in Albany : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
!
Nice work  
jpkmets : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
By Jones and Latimer
Nice  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
catch by Latimer, but again, an incredibly accurate throw by Jones.
DJ  
Mr. Nickels : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
Will never throw an incomplete pass in his entire career. Change my mind.
But I thought he had a noodle arm  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
.
Beautiful  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
throw. Great route by Lattimer too.
Aw man  
jpkmets : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
Thats a shame
And then he looks like a rookie  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
.
WRs making plays  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
Yikes Jones. Get the sweat off those palms!
WTF  
CMicks3110 : 8/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
JONES, AWFUL
And  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
then the inevitable rookie mistake. Cut him!
That sucks.  
Ryan in Albany : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
.
Damn..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
he's fumble prone!!
my God  
markky : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
he's terrible
Crap!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
Rookie mistake
RE: DJ is the real deal...  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14532715 nzyme said:
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He's impressing the hell out of me!!!!


Aaaaannnd he fumbles making me look like an ass....
Ah shit, right when hes about to finish off another  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
beautiful drive. Nows the time to learn from those mistakes
Snap aside...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
This kid. Getting excited.
RE: WTF  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14532729 CMicks3110 said:
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JONES, AWFUL


Carter is going to call him a bust now
Damnit!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
40 yard bomb still counts, though!
Damn that sucks  
Giantfan21 : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
Thats all the haters will be talking about now instead of that beautiful 40 yd pass he threw right before
Who gives a shit about that fumble, that will get cleaned up  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
My God what a throw!
RE: Line looks  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14532703 MookGiants said:
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decent but one injury and the entire thing could blow up in their face. No depth whatsoever. Better than where they have been in recent years obviously, but like many areas on the team, depth doesn't exist.


You must be a blast at parties.
Ok with the fumble  
RobCrossRiver56 : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link

This kid can play
And the Cinderella shoe fell off  
micky : 8/16/2019 8:08 pm : link
..
Jones  
XBRONX : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
sucks.Lol Another great throw
RE: Damn..  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14532733 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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he's fumble prone!!

He really is an Eli clone
That's it  
BillT : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
Cut Jones now!
With the kinds of throws Jones is making  
Chris684 : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
Does anyone really give a shit he just fumbled!? Lol
Such a beautiful pass.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
Downfield accuracy is a beautiful thing and Jones has it.
RE: RE: Damn..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14532747 Bill L said:
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In comment 14532733 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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he's fumble prone!!


He really is an Eli clone


HA!!
Oh lord...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
...cut that punk~
Ouch!  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
Rookie mistake. May turn out good as he doesn't seem to make the same mistake twice.
.  
GiantEgo : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
That's going to make a lot of people here very happy
It's a preseason fumble in his rookie season.  
fivehead : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
Not a big deal.

He's looking promising otherwise.
Damn it secure the ball  
Bluesbreaker : 8/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
geesh ..
Jones didnt lead him down the field  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/16/2019 8:10 pm : link
-Cris Carter
Want to see him learn as a rookie  
rebel yell : 8/16/2019 8:10 pm : link
in pre-season. No problem with the fumble. He has the goods to deliver with his arm. He's proving it.
RE: Line looks  
Ira : 8/16/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14532703 MookGiants said:
Quote:
decent but one injury and the entire thing could blow up in their face. No depth whatsoever. Better than where they have been in recent years obviously, but like many areas on the team, depth doesn't exist.


I agree. But at least they have a pretty good group of starters. That's been a long time coming.
ESPN Headline..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:11 pm : link
tomorrow. Fumbles 1 Incompletions 0

Said negatively....
Pash rush arrives!  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:11 pm : link
Nice play by Golden
Sack  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:11 pm : link
by Golden!
Might as well ignore Mook....anyone that said the line  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 8:12 pm : link
looked "decent" in the first two series opinion can be completely discounted
Niiiice defensive  
jpkmets : 8/16/2019 8:12 pm : link
Series
Every  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:13 pm : link
punt return is an adventure.
Jones blows  
XBRONX : 8/16/2019 8:13 pm : link
as PR
TJ Jones made plays at WR  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 8:13 pm : link
But we need to try someone else as PR
It..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:13 pm : link
seems whomever we put back on punt returns has an issue fielding the ball cleanly
The depth  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 8:14 pm : link
on the line is filled with guys who probably wouldn't make most teams roster. God forbid anyone say anything bad about the depth on this team. Grab some pom poms and wear a skirt if you want to be a cheerleader.

This team doesn't have a Kevin Booth on it. Or anything close to it. If one guy gets hurt, the replacement is likely not an NFL caliber player.

First order of business was to get better starters. They've done that. But they're still no where near in good shape as far as the offensive line goes. Hoping everyone stays healthy because watching the shit show that has been the offensive line the last few years was painful. Will be nice to have a capable line for a change, but they're all going to have to stay healthy.
Punt returner  
mattlawson : 8/16/2019 8:14 pm : link
Needed
Did we..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:14 pm : link
even ever have a Kevin Booth?
RE: Might as well ignore Mook....anyone that said the line  
BleedBlue : 8/16/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14532766 Zeke's Alibi said:
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looked "decent" in the first two series opinion can be completely discounted


Totally agree. I think the OL is going to be good this year. We will def spend a high pick on an OT but still a good group. Our depth needs some work for sure
RE: The depth  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14532773 MookGiants said:
Quote:
on the line is filled with guys who probably wouldn't make most teams roster. God forbid anyone say anything bad about the depth on this team. Grab some pom poms and wear a skirt if you want to be a cheerleader.

This team doesn't have a Kevin Booth on it. Or anything close to it. If one guy gets hurt, the replacement is likely not an NFL caliber player.

First order of business was to get better starters. They've done that. But they're still no where near in good shape as far as the offensive line goes. Hoping everyone stays healthy because watching the shit show that has been the offensive line the last few years was painful. Will be nice to have a capable line for a change, but they're all going to have to stay healthy.


May find one on cut down day.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 8:15 pm : link
Jones now in with 2nd-team OL.
RE: The depth  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14532773 MookGiants said:
Quote:
on the line is filled with guys who probably wouldn't make most teams roster. God forbid anyone say anything bad about the depth on this team. Grab some pom poms and wear a skirt if you want to be a cheerleader.

This team doesn't have a Kevin Booth on it. Or anything close to it. If one guy gets hurt, the replacement is likely not an NFL caliber player.

First order of business was to get better starters. They've done that. But they're still no where near in good shape as far as the offensive line goes. Hoping everyone stays healthy because watching the shit show that has been the offensive line the last few years was painful. Will be nice to have a capable line for a change, but they're all going to have to stay healthy.


You must not watch a lot of NFL. Not a ton of offensive line talent. There isn't a team in the league that could weather a couple injuries to there top 3 lineman.
Hard to gauge all this....  
thrunthrublue : 8/16/2019 8:15 pm : link
Our ones, against their threes......and, their LT, 52....just like us....watching from the sidelines.
If you count Flowers, we had a toll booth  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 8:15 pm : link
Or is that a turnstile?
RE: RE: Line looks  
eli4life : 8/16/2019 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14532760 Ira said:
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In comment 14532703 MookGiants said:


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decent but one injury and the entire thing could blow up in their face. No depth whatsoever. Better than where they have been in recent years obviously, but like many areas on the team, depth doesn't exist.



I agree. But at least they have a pretty good group of starters. That's been a long time coming.


Big difference from when other teams backups would be an improvement on our line. Oline depth is relatively non existent league wide
RE: The depth  
micky : 8/16/2019 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14532773 MookGiants said:
Quote:
on the line is filled with guys who probably wouldn't make most teams roster. God forbid anyone say anything bad about the depth on this team. Grab some pom poms and wear a skirt if you want to be a cheerleader.

This team doesn't have a Kevin Booth on it. Or anything close to it. If one guy gets hurt, the replacement is likely not an NFL caliber player.

First order of business was to get better starters. They've done that. But they're still no where near in good shape as far as the offensive line goes. Hoping everyone stays healthy because watching the shit show that has been the offensive line the last few years was painful. Will be nice to have a capable line for a change, but they're all going to have to stay healthy.



Goodluck on health..this isthe NFL.
RE: ...  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14532778 Eric from BBI said:
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Jones now in with 2nd-team OL.


1st sting OL played enough. Good work and no injuries.
Jones  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:16 pm : link
had the RB in the flat.
Jones get backups  
ZogZerg : 8/16/2019 8:16 pm : link
Foe fumbling😀
Would anyone really even  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 8:17 pm : link
Argue that the OL doesn't have to be healthy?

Seems petty obvious, but it's just another thing to be said that can throw cold b water on progress
RE: If you count Flowers, we had a toll booth  
eli4life : 8/16/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14532781 Bill L said:
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Or is that a turnstile?


Neither because both would require you to slow down at least
Ball placement still a plus.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2019 8:17 pm : link


I think thats completed  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:18 pm : link
If TJ doesnt slip.
TJ jones just fell down on that 3rd down  
Giantfan21 : 8/16/2019 8:18 pm : link
before the ball got there
RE: The depth  
Chris684 : 8/16/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14532773 MookGiants said:
Quote:
on the line is filled with guys who probably wouldn't make most teams roster. God forbid anyone say anything bad about the depth on this team. Grab some pom poms and wear a skirt if you want to be a cheerleader.

This team doesn't have a Kevin Booth on it. Or anything close to it. If one guy gets hurt, the replacement is likely not an NFL caliber player.

First order of business was to get better starters. They've done that. But they're still no where near in good shape as far as the offensive line goes. Hoping everyone stays healthy because watching the shit show that has been the offensive line the last few years was painful. Will be nice to have a capable line for a change, but they're all going to have to stay healthy.


The first men off the bench for this OL will be Pulley and Wheeler.

If you looked at backups across the league, I highly doubt youd find many more players who would really excite you as backups.
Harry Carson is terrible on the mic  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/16/2019 8:18 pm : link
:
Jones looks human for a drive  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:18 pm : link
blocking was there, he just missed a couple guys
Very  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:18 pm : link
little good usually happens when a punt returner does that much lateral running.
RE: Ball placement still a plus.  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14532791 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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If the corner looks, its an INT...


- Cris Carter
RE: Jones looks human for a drive  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14532797 mfsd said:
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blocking was there, he just missed a couple guys


Cant expect a WR to slip out of his break
Tom Quinn sighting  
BlueHurricane : 8/16/2019 8:19 pm : link
That fucking guy is like herpes
Jones is the goods  
gtt350 : 8/16/2019 8:19 pm : link
his receiver tripped
kicking  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 8:20 pm : link
and punting units should be solid this year. Punt return who knows. But the way the league is now and how many penalties are thrown on punt returns, probably best if you just have a sure handed guy back there who won't do anything dumb. Fair catch in most cases is the best option. ,
Paul Perkins, I'm just not that into you.  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 8:20 pm : link
🤷‍♂️
RE: RE: Jones looks human for a drive  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14532801 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14532797 mfsd said:


Quote:


blocking was there, he just missed a couple guys



Cant expect a WR to slip out of his break


Yup saw that on the replay
RE: RE: RE: Jones looks human for a drive  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14532808 mfsd said:
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In comment 14532801 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 14532797 mfsd said:


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blocking was there, he just missed a couple guys



Cant expect a WR to slip out of his break



Yup saw that on the replay


Looked like it to me too.
Safety time  
Bluesbreaker : 8/16/2019 8:23 pm : link
!
#73 looked like Flowers there  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:25 pm : link
.
Carter puts the pressure on  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:25 pm : link
nice work by the defense
Tonights game  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:26 pm : link
Has been a huge success.

Dont care if it was against the 2nd team.
Nice  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:26 pm : link
rush by Carter. Very flexible.
Nice move by Carter  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 8:26 pm : link
.
The pass..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:26 pm : link
rush has been consistent the past two series, and the Bears are still doing mostly quick-hitters.
That's the problem  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 8:26 pm : link
Wheeler and Pulley being their main backups.

I'm not sure either one would make many other rosters in the league. It takes time to build depth but that unit depth wise is still a long ways away from where it needs to be.

Wheeler and Pulley in an ideal world are guys that are in a battle to make the team. Instead they're 1 play away from starting.

It's not Gettleman's fault that the unit has no depth. I dont like DG but the OL was in total shambles when he got here. He's got a respectable starting unit now which is a start. But the depth scares the hell out of me especially when you have guys like Remmers who are a huge injury risk.
Too many time stoppages.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:26 pm : link
Get Jones on the field. That's what we're all here for.
Oh here we go...  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:26 pm : link
Judgement time!!
This PI review stuff  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 8:27 pm : link
Is gonna suck this year!
Twitter is brutal during games.  
bceagle05 : 8/16/2019 8:27 pm : link
Wannabe stand-up comics trying to come up with the most clever one-liners.
Why challenge..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:27 pm : link
this? At best the Giants accept the holding penalty and they offset.

And if they call PI - it is really a shitty review system.
this pass interference BS is going to ruin the season  
gtt350 : 8/16/2019 8:27 pm : link
.
Pulley did a decent job last year  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 8:27 pm : link
Theres no question he would make another teams roster
RE: Too many time stoppages.  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14532820 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Get Jones on the field. That's what we're all here for.
+1
RE: That's the problem  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14532819 MookGiants said:
Quote:
Wheeler and Pulley being their main backups.

I'm not sure either one would make many other rosters in the league. It takes time to build depth but that unit depth wise is still a long ways away from where it needs to be.

Wheeler and Pulley in an ideal world are guys that are in a battle to make the team. Instead they're 1 play away from starting.

It's not Gettleman's fault that the unit has no depth. I dont like DG but the OL was in total shambles when he got here. He's got a respectable starting unit now which is a start. But the depth scares the hell out of me especially when you have guys like Remmers who are a huge injury risk.


Wheeler is 3rd string and could be cut
The..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:28 pm : link
Bears literally have nothing to gain here except another 3rd down try
RE: Why challenge..  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14532824 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this? At best the Giants accept the holding penalty and they offset.

And if they call PI - it is really a shitty review system.


they are using the preseason to get a better feel on how the PI challenge system will work.
They must not have overturned?  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 8:29 pm : link
.
Man  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 8:29 pm : link
the NFL is stupid.
fucking flag football  
gtt350 : 8/16/2019 8:29 pm : link
bring on hockey
Alot of flags.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:29 pm : link
.
We  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:30 pm : link
fielded the punt quickly, but had a penalty.
Another flag.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:31 pm : link
.
SOB.....pre-season!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:31 pm : link
.
RE: Twitter is brutal during games.  
justafan : 8/16/2019 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14532823 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
Wannabe stand-up comics trying to come up with the most clever one-liners.


"during" you mean always, the place is a cesspool.
Nice catch.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:32 pm : link
.
All on Simonson!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:32 pm : link
.
Cut Simonson  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 8:32 pm : link
!
Cmon Simonson  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
.
Duke flashback for Jones with Simonson  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
dropping a pass
Spade blocks as well  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
As he gives asshat info.
RE: We  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14532837 AcidTest said:
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fielded the punt quickly, but had a penalty.


Correctly, not quickly.

Bad by Slade, and worse by Jones.
He really is like Eli  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
Oh well
Eli never ever would have made the tackle  
gtt350 : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
.
This kid really wants to be like Eli...  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
.
BBI...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
...gonna trip on that!
Shit!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
.
Backup OL looks brutal.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
.
Jones  
XBRONX : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
what a fing disaster
RE: Cut Simonson  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14532844 Mike in NY said:
Quote:
!


Did I imagine that there was a thread saying Simonson had been cut? Seriously, I thought I saw it yesterday
RE: Spade blocks as well  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14532847 dep026 said:
Quote:
As he gives asshat info.


Slade
Oooh boy  
micky : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
.
Jones, fumble machine.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
Hahaha.
Ximines  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:33 pm : link
with the sack!
Jones going to have to work on ball protection  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 8:34 pm : link
.
RE: This kid really wants to be like Eli...  
micky : 8/16/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14532851 j_rud said:
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Lol
Teaching.....  
thrunthrublue : 8/16/2019 8:34 pm : link
Moments, multi million dollar, teaching moments.
RE: RE: Cut Simonson  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14532856 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14532844 Mike in NY said:


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!



Did I imagine that there was a thread saying Simonson had been cut? Seriously, I thought I saw it yesterday


There was some type of stipulation where if they cut and then re-signed him they saved cap room and Simonson agreed.
RE: RE: Cut Simonson  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14532856 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14532844 Mike in NY said:


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!



Did I imagine that there was a thread saying Simonson had been cut? Seriously, I thought I saw it yesterday


I saw it, too.
Who just went down?  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:34 pm : link
Just wondering who.....
This new PI challenge  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 8:34 pm : link
is going to be a total disaster. How about get refs who aren't totally clueless and can see the most obvious PI ever in live action.

If they wanted to do something, they needed to just give each team 1 PI challenge per game. Coaches wouldn't use it early and they would only use it on a game changing play.

If you use yours too early, then thats on you. Save it for the rare instance where it costs you a game.

None of this it comes from the booth in last 2 minutes of half. 1 a game for each side. The game for decades has been totally fine without having replays for PI, then they overreact to one fuck up. Instead of getting better officials, they put this dumb shit in
RE: Jones  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14532855 XBRONX said:
Quote:
what a fing disaster


I really don't think you're kidding.
RE: Jones, fumble machine.  
eli4life : 8/16/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14532859 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Hahaha.


Its all part of the plan to make the transition seamless
RE: Who just went down?  
BleedBlue : 8/16/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14532866 nzyme said:
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Just wondering who.....


Hamilton
RE: RE: Cut Simonson  
Mike in Prescott : 8/16/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14532856 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
In comment 14532844 Mike in NY said:
He was then resigned. It was an administrative move to change the cap impact.

Quote:


!



Did I imagine that there was a thread saying Simonson had been cut? Seriously, I thought I saw it yesterday
RE: Who just went down?  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14532866 nzyme said:
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Just wondering who.....


Hamilton
RE: Jones going to have to work on ball protection  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14532861 jeff57 said:
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Learning point. 2nd Team Oline did him no favors there either.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 8:36 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

2m
Antonio Hamilton is walking off slowly.
jones will learn  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 8:36 pm : link
from all of this. I haven't seen anything from him that is even a little bit concerning to this point. He's got everything you want in a QB.

The backup offensive line, woof. Just say a prayer none of the 5 starters get hurt. This backup group is atrocious
Who could possibly have thought that PI challenge was a good idea  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2019 8:37 pm : link
I don't understand how the competition committee allowed it.

At best, you make it a rule for playoffs only.
One thing to point out about  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 8:37 pm : link
The last Jones fumble. Even with pressure coming, and I think he saw it, he kept his eyes down the field
Sack!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
.
Bench Jones  
Canton : 8/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
Not ready for the big leagues.
....  
Toth029 : 8/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
Jones needs to be more aware but boy, Slade was the fault there. What the hell is that? Flowers lite.
Pass rush..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
is getting there whenever the Bears drop back instead of rolling out
Cut Jones  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
Ha ha
Slade  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
Poor asshat. Poor pass protector.
Obviously 2 fumbles aren't great but are people serious  
BestFeature : 8/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
with some of these responses?
That was a nice job by the defense se  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 8:39 pm : link
.
RE: jones will learn  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14532876 MookGiants said:
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from all of this. I haven't seen anything from him that is even a little bit concerning to this point. He's got everything you want in a QB.

The backup offensive line, woof. Just say a prayer none of the 5 starters get hurt. This backup group is atrocious


We get it already.

The backup LT looks decent to me.
Based on some..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:39 pm : link
of their posting histories, yes - a few of the people are being serious.

Just incredible.
RE: Obviously 2 fumbles aren't great but are people serious  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14532885 BestFeature said:
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with some of these responses?


Id say 95% are in jest.
Osi!  
ChaChing : 8/16/2019 8:40 pm : link
I mean, Olsen! Had a #72 flashback

Big play esp given the FG miss
Big play!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:40 pm : link
.
Didnt Kerry Collins wear  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 8:41 pm : link
8?
RE: RE: jones will learn  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14532887 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 14532876 MookGiants said:


Quote:


from all of this. I haven't seen anything from him that is even a little bit concerning to this point. He's got everything you want in a QB.

The backup offensive line, woof. Just say a prayer none of the 5 starters get hurt. This backup group is atrocious



We get it already.

The backup LT looks decent to me.


It's Nick Gates
Did  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:41 pm : link
we coat our hands with grease before the game?
Yowza.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:41 pm : link
Is the ball slick tonight or something?
Fumblitis  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:41 pm : link
tonight!
RE: Didnt Kerry Collins wear  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14532892 jeff57 said:
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8?


#5
Nick Gates showing well tonight  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 8:41 pm : link
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None of these RBs are doing well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2019 8:42 pm : link
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Good hustle by Gates  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 8:42 pm : link
To get that ball back
RE: RE: Didnt Kerry Collins wear  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14532897 dep026 said:
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In comment 14532892 jeff57 said:


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8?



#5


Right
The way these last couple of offensive series have gone...  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:43 pm : link
I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel Jones comes out for a portion of the 3rd quarter!
RE: None of these RBs are doing well  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14532899 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
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Smith looks like he could pound it in there.
Shurmur teaching  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 8:43 pm : link
.
That checkdown by Jones  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 8:43 pm : link
Gave us 3 points
Bummer about the fumbles  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
But the kid knows how to throw the ball
Thats what you want from your  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
Pro Bowl Kicker!
Good to get a FG out of that drive  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
with the 9 yard loss due to the fumble. I approve.
Nice  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
hustle by Gates to recover the fumble. He has also blocked well.

Jones has been accurate. That's what's important.

We are going to have to pay Rosas a lot of money.
Hamilton with a groin  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
Really can't afford more injuries at that spot
Good job by Jones getting them back  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
in FG range. And Rosas in mid season form
RE: The way these last couple of offensive series have gone...  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14532903 nzyme said:
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I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel Jones comes out for a portion of the 3rd quarter!


Agree. Want him to go out on a good positive.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 8:44 pm : link
Dan Salomone
@NYGsalomone

3m
Injury update: CB Antonio Hamilton (groin) is out for the remainder of the game.
Remember the cut Rosas threads?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2019 8:45 pm : link
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47 is a chip shot  
ChaChing : 8/16/2019 8:45 pm : link
for Rosas
RE: Bummer about the fumbles  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14532907 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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But the kid knows how to throw the ball


He really does. He looks like he knows what hes doing out there and is not fazed by the level of play either.
BJ Goodson sighting  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:45 pm : link
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Eli telling Jones  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 8:45 pm : link
"Keep doing what you're doing, it's fine"

😉
Jones  
Percy : 8/16/2019 8:45 pm : link
Ball leaves his hand on passes very, very quickly and accurately.
People here should start getting into what a good QB he's going to be.
RE: ...  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14532914 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Salomone
@NYGsalomone

3m
Injury update: CB Antonio Hamilton (groin) is out for the remainder of the game.


Can we bubble wrap the rest of the CBs?
Jones is the goods, 2nd fumble was a fluke  
gtt350 : 8/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
,
They  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
greased their hands too.
Safety!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
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Must be something in the air tonight...  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
Nobody seems to be able to hang on to the ball!!!
More..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
grease on the ball!
The  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
best part is another series for Jones before the half.
RE: None of these RBs are doing well  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14532899 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I disagree. The fumble is egregious but Smith looks decent.
Guess they replaced football  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 8:48 pm : link
With Greased Watermelon
Colphins???  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:48 pm : link
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Great!  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 8:48 pm : link
Jones gets a 2 minute offense to practice live.
RE: RE: None of these RBs are doing well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14532929 j_rud said:
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I disagree. The fumble is egregious but Smith looks decent.


He had a near-fumble earlier too.
That  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:49 pm : link
was a great juke by Perkins.
Perkins looked good there.  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:49 pm : link
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Finally some life from Perkins  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:49 pm : link
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Perkins looks much better tonight!  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:49 pm : link
Just looks like he found a second gear tonight.
Jones mechanics  
Nine-Tails : 8/16/2019 8:51 pm : link
Are great and repeatable. Smooth and decisive also
Just keep building confidence.  
rnargi : 8/16/2019 8:51 pm : link
You've seen it growing all night.
Perkins looks like a different back  
MM_in_NYC : 8/16/2019 8:51 pm : link
If he can sustain this he will supplant Gallman.
RE: Jones mechanics  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14532938 Nine-Tails said:
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Are great and repeatable. Smooth and decisive also


Yes.
RE: Colphins???  
Route 9 : 8/16/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14532931 RobCarpenter said:
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I thought that something looked weird
Jones with a laser  
Canton : 8/16/2019 8:52 pm : link
between the numbers.
RE: Jones is the goods, 2nd fumble was a fluke  
santacruzom : 8/16/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14532923 gtt350 said:
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Yeah, that was a hell of a play by the defender, combined with what looked like 3 absolute whiffs by 3 different offensive linemen.
Perkins now running hard  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:53 pm : link
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RE: Jones mechanics  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14532938 Nine-Tails said:
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Are great and repeatable. Smooth and decisive also


Yup. Hes got to learn to feel the rush and tuck it when one of his OL whiffs, but hes decisive and accurate throwing the ball. Fun to watch.
RE: Perkins looks like a different back  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14532940 MM_in_NYC said:
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If he can sustain this he will supplant Gallman.


Nope. He's competing with Smith, not Gallman. Gallman is a lock
Wow Jones  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 8:53 pm : link
Looks amazing!!
Jones  
jnoble : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
to Jones for 6!
Jones drops it in the breadbasket!!  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Beautiful pass
What  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
a throw. Like it was hand delivered.
JONES!!!!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Beautiful pass.
Daniel Mother Fucking Jones!!!!  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Another TD!!!!
Jones to Jones!  
ChathamMark : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Woo Hoo!
Love it.  
Ryan in Albany : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Jones to Jones.
Kids legit. I'm ready to say it.  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
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Right where it needed to be  
BestFeature : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Great pass!
Jones back to looking good  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
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Fucking...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
..player.

What a pass  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
For the TD. God this kid is good.
BEAUTIFUL TOUCH  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Im sorry but Haskins does not have that kind of touch.
Jones looks like a player  
bubba0825 : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
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Gorgeous  
jpkmets : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Throw by Jones. Just pretty!
Yes Way  
Bluesbreaker : 8/16/2019 8:54 pm : link
Great throw !
Nice to see Perkins bounce Back !
Ball  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
Placement!!!
Have to love  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
what you're seeing from Jones. The two fumbles I'm not concerned about, those are easy to correct. He has all the tools to be a stud
Dayum.  
Mike in Prescott : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
That is all.
I remember reading pre draft profiles  
santacruzom : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
That some of Jones' best throws are in the red zone. Sure seems to be the case.
Danny Dimes  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
Baby!
Great pass  
mattlawson : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
Just lovely
Perkins has looked good - especially on that screen.  
Ira : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
He can catch the ball.
RE: Kids legit. I'm ready to say it.  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14532958 j_rud said:
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Hes got a nice confidence building and he shook off the two fumbles. Gotta like what you see from him. I dont care who hes playing against.
Easy interception  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
If the starter is in
I don't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
know if Cris Carter will have any analysis about Jones, but if he does and focuses on the fumbles - then you know there's bias.
Awesome!  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
Great drive. Will probably sit the 2nd half although I would play him the rest of the game.
Ugh  
jnoble : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
Bruce Beck with his forced enthusiasm and ass-kiss interviews. He's like the Jimmy Fallon of sports anchors
Jones has great touch!  
fivehead : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
So far, I'm not missing Josh Allen at all.
I  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
don't care if it comes back, we still have problems with ST, specifically with contain.
Honestly, I'd rather he scored  
BestFeature : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
I'd like to see Jones with a minute left.
Kids got wheels  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
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Those O line players....  
thrunthrublue : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
Seem motivated, even the back ups!
Jones looks like he has fast feet  
markky : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
I like how fast he gets into position after the snap
Its only 2 games by both players and likely meaningless  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 8:56 pm : link
But someone convince me after them that Haskins was the pick we should have made.
Eli smiling  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 8:57 pm : link
After Jones td
RE: Danny Dimes  
BillT : 8/16/2019 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14532972 Motley Two said:
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Baby!

like that!
Don't  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:57 pm : link
blame Rosas at all.
Look at the freaking guns on Rosas!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 8:57 pm : link
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Daniel Montana  
Canton : 8/16/2019 8:57 pm : link
With the pinpoint accurate TD in the endzone.
RE: Honestly, I'd rather he scored  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14532982 BestFeature said:
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I'd like to see Jones with a minute left.


Good point.
Think about this..  
rnargi : 8/16/2019 8:58 pm : link
After the fumble it's 2nd and 19 out of FG range, he doesn't get greedy, gets Rosas into FG range. Then in the 2 minute drill he calmly leads them to a 65 yard TD drive without even taking a time out. Poise.
please play Jones another quarter  
gtt350 : 8/16/2019 8:58 pm : link
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RE: please play Jones another quarter  
Big Rick in FL : 8/16/2019 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14532997 gtt350 said:
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Please don't! No need to risk it. He's the goods.
Im glad the defense is on the field  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 8:59 pm : link
These are the points, witch seconds left in halves and games, where we lost games last year.
Jeez...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 9:00 pm : link
one of the interior DL was just ripped down on that play
I dont care about the fumbles, those are rookie mistakes that are  
Giantfan21 : 8/16/2019 9:00 pm : link
easily correctable. The way jones throws the ball, the touch he has on his passes, the accuracy, how quick he gets it out just has me really excited about his potential
McIntosh  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:01 pm : link
with the pressure.
Ballentine got spun around there!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 9:02 pm : link
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I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 9:02 pm : link
the tape will show that on most of the pass plays that weren't quick hitters or quick dumpoffs that the pressure has been pretty constant
RE: Im glad the defense is on the field  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14532999 Bill L said:
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These are the points, witch seconds left in halves and games, where we lost games last year.

These are the points that hurt the most for me. Unnecessary
Haleys done a nice job  
jeff57 : 8/16/2019 9:03 pm : link
In coverage,
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 9:05 pm : link
Big Blue Interactive
@BigBlueInteract

11m
Daniel Jones can play.
Jones ball placement is outstanding  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/16/2019 9:05 pm : link
It's obvious what Gettleman and co. sees in him.
Perkins showing something too  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/16/2019 9:06 pm : link
.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 9:07 pm : link
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy

13m
One thing that Daniel Jones is proving he can do at a high level:

Putting different air and touch on each pass based on defensive set up, route, and play design
Daniel jones  
Giantfan21 : 8/16/2019 9:08 pm : link
11/14 161 YDS 1 TD
Jones diving for the fumble  
Matt in SGS : 8/16/2019 9:09 pm : link
Scared the crap out of me. Reminded me too much of Brees going for the fumble when he was with the Chargers and tore his shoulder up. Thank God he wasnt hurt
Regarding the 40 yard pass  
BestFeature : 8/16/2019 9:09 pm : link
Can someone better at football than me tell me if it was a good pass or a bit underthrown?
We have had a great QB in Eli.  
Giant John : 8/16/2019 9:09 pm : link
He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.
Jones moved the linebacker with his eyes  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 9:09 pm : link
To open up the inside route to the wr. Perkins to the flat, Jones lead the lb there which opened a window for his throw to the we on the inside
RE: Regarding the 40 yard pass  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14533021 BestFeature said:
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Can someone better at football than me tell me if it was a good pass or a bit underthrown?

IMO, any pass that is complete is a good pass.
RE: We have had a great QB in Eli.  
Big Rick in FL : 8/16/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14533022 Giant John said:
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He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.


He's a 16 year veteran playing backups. He should look good.

In reality Eli probably shouldn't be the starter Week 1. He should definitely be out before the end of the year.
Carter, Haskins  
Jim in Tampa : 8/16/2019 9:10 pm : link
Carter, Haskins
Carter, Haskins
Carter, Haskins
Carter, Haskins
Carter, Haskins
Carter, Haskins

Give it a rest already!

If Jones is for real nothing else matters.
Accuracy goes a long way with me.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2019 9:10 pm : link
I really like what I'm seeing. People are so worried about "arm strength" when this is what matters most.
RE: Regarding the 40 yard pass  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14533021 BestFeature said:
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Can someone better at football than me tell me if it was a good pass or a bit underthrown?


Very good pass.
RE: Regarding the 40 yard pass  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14533021 BestFeature said:
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Can someone better at football than me tell me if it was a good pass or a bit underthrown?


Assuming you mean the ball to Latimer, I thought it was near-perfect. DB has tight coverage, Jones put it up when Latimer could make a play.
RE: Accuracy goes a long way with me.  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14533027 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I really like what I'm seeing. People are so worried about "arm strength" when this is what matters most.


Accuracy, brains, toughness before arm strength
RE: RE: We have had a great QB in Eli.  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14533025 Big Rick in FL said:
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He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.



He's a 16 year veteran playing backups. He should look good.

In reality Eli probably shouldn't be the starter Week 1. He should definitely be out before the end of the year.


So the best player doesnt start? Or send a message that the year is over before the season starts?
Jones is a baby faced assassin  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 9:12 pm : link
With those fade routes. Don't remember Eli ever being particularly good with those throws, or touch throws in general.
So if he doesn't fumble ...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:13 pm : link
... The giants score.

I'm down with that.
RE: Jones is a baby faced assassin  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14533034 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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With those fade routes. Don't remember Eli ever being particularly good with those throws, or touch throws in general.


Ummm its probably the best route he throws.
RE: RE: RE: We have had a great QB in Eli.  
ajr2456 : 8/16/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14533032 dep026 said:
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He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.



He's a 16 year veteran playing backups. He should look good.

In reality Eli probably shouldn't be the starter Week 1. He should definitely be out before the end of the year.



So the best player doesnt start? Or send a message that the year is over before the season starts?


Jones has been the better player though
RE: Jones is a baby faced assassin  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14533034 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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With those fade routes. Don't remember Eli ever being particularly good with those throws, or touch throws in general.


Re: Eli and touch throws...you should really watch a replay of Super Bowl 42 one day.
RE: RE: RE: RE: We have had a great QB in Eli.  
Big Rick in FL : 8/16/2019 9:16 pm : link
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He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.



He's a 16 year veteran playing backups. He should look good.

In reality Eli probably shouldn't be the starter Week 1. He should definitely be out before the end of the year.



So the best player doesnt start? Or send a message that the year is over before the season starts?



Jones has been the better player though


Eli hasn't been significantly better in OTAs, mini camp, training camp or preseason games. Neither give them a chance to win a Super Bowl so yes they should play the younger guy who they just took with the 6th overall pick.
let's face it Jones is as ready as last year's rookie qb's  
gtt350 : 8/16/2019 9:16 pm : link
we are wasting time with Eli. make the move before we have to pay Jones North of 30 million
RE: RE: RE: RE: We have had a great QB in Eli.  
BillT : 8/16/2019 9:17 pm : link
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He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.



He's a 16 year veteran playing backups. He should look good.

In reality Eli probably shouldn't be the starter Week 1. He should definitely be out before the end of the year.



So the best player doesnt start? Or send a message that the year is over before the season starts?



Jones has been the better player though

Bull. Eli has had a significantly better camp. It's not really close.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We have had a great QB in Eli.  
Big Rick in FL : 8/16/2019 9:18 pm : link
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He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.



He's a 16 year veteran playing backups. He should look good.

In reality Eli probably shouldn't be the starter Week 1. He should definitely be out before the end of the year.



So the best player doesnt start? Or send a message that the year is over before the season starts?



Jones has been the better player though


Bull. Eli has had a significantly better camp. It's not really close.


Who says he's been significantly better? I've honestly yet to see anybody say that.
Geez, he was wide open, glad it was overthrown.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 9:18 pm : link
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Tolliver not looking good  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 9:18 pm : link
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RE: RE: Regarding the 40 yard pass  
Nine-Tails : 8/16/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14533029 mfsd said:
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Can someone better at football than me tell me if it was a good pass or a bit underthrown?



Assuming you mean the ball to Latimer, I thought it was near-perfect. DB has tight coverage, Jones put it up when Latimer could make a play.


Its funny because of all the haters against Jones, i.e. cris carter, now we have to confirm whether the pass had a spiral, was on money, the corner played the ball, the corner was first stringer, etc...
Toliver  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:19 pm : link
was beaten badly, but the throw was badly overthrown, maybe because there was good pressure.
He should probably start  
huygens20 : 8/16/2019 9:20 pm : link
But the smartest thing is to wait until week 4 to let him take over.
Dany Dimes  
kelsto811 : 8/16/2019 9:20 pm : link
Danny Dimes might be my favorite nickname yet
RE: let's face it Jones is as ready as last year's rookie qb's  
Rory : 8/16/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14533042 gtt350 said:
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we are wasting time with Eli. make the move before we have to pay Jones North of 30 million


not happening
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 9:21 pm : link
Henre' Tolliver sucks.
Daniel Jones  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 9:21 pm : link
Like a tad like Jim Carrey
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We have had a great QB in Eli.  
ajr2456 : 8/16/2019 9:21 pm : link
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He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.



He's a 16 year veteran playing backups. He should look good.

In reality Eli probably shouldn't be the starter Week 1. He should definitely be out before the end of the year.



So the best player doesnt start? Or send a message that the year is over before the season starts?



Jones has been the better player though


Bull. Eli has had a significantly better camp. It's not really close.


Live game action > shorts and practices. Jones has done things with his arm Eli Hasnt done in a couple of years. Hes been better, he should be starting by Week 2
RE: Daniel Jones  
ChaChing : 8/16/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14533058 crick n NC said:
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Like a tad like Jim Carrey

Very true...but someone (iirc Klaatu?) posted a young Bruce Campbell picture, which must be his identical twin
....  
BleedBlue : 8/16/2019 9:23 pm : link
An entire half of lauletta and Tanney is fucking stupid. Jones needs as many snaps and reps reading coverages as possible
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We have had a great QB in Eli.  
Nine-Tails : 8/16/2019 9:23 pm : link
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He can play as long as he wants. Fine with me. Then we have Eli II in the wings. Life is good. Eli looked good didnt he.



He's a 16 year veteran playing backups. He should look good.

In reality Eli probably shouldn't be the starter Week 1. He should definitely be out before the end of the year.



So the best player doesnt start? Or send a message that the year is over before the season starts?



Jones has been the better player though


Bull. Eli has had a significantly better camp. It's not really close.


Elis having a better camp, and he should. Hes the vet and knows the offense. But Jones seems ahead of the rookie curve. And game performance matters more than practice. Eli did his thing, but Jones is not afraid of the moment.
He should be called Comrade instead of Conrad on that pass  
BestFeature : 8/16/2019 9:23 pm : link
Only a commie would drop that!
RE: ....  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14533065 BleedBlue said:
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An entire half of lauletta and Tanney is fucking stupid. Jones needs as many snaps and reps reading coverages as possible


Against guys who will be bagging groceries doesnt add much
RE: RE: Regarding the 40 yard pass  
BestFeature : 8/16/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14533028 dep026 said:
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Can someone better at football than me tell me if it was a good pass or a bit underthrown?



Very good pass.


Thanks for the answer!
Tanney to Jones:  
bceagle05 : 8/16/2019 9:24 pm : link
Thats how you hang onto the ball, bitch!
Is  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:25 pm : link
Wheeler now third string, or are the Giants just trying to work him back in against lesser competition while he recovers from a bad back?
Wheeler does not deserve a roster spot  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 9:25 pm : link
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RE: RE: Regarding the 40 yard pass  
BestFeature : 8/16/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14533029 mfsd said:
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Can someone better at football than me tell me if it was a good pass or a bit underthrown?



Assuming you mean the ball to Latimer, I thought it was near-perfect. DB has tight coverage, Jones put it up when Latimer could make a play.


Thanks!
Dixon with another stinker......  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 9:25 pm : link
I dont see Townsend beating Dixon out, but man WTF.
It seems like a foregone conclusion that Tanney is the 3rd QB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2019 9:25 pm : link
I guess Lauletta has to have a fair shot but it almost seems like wasted time.
RE: RE: RE: Regarding the 40 yard pass  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14533048 Nine-Tails said:
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Can someone better at football than me tell me if it was a good pass or a bit underthrown?



Assuming you mean the ball to Latimer, I thought it was near-perfect. DB has tight coverage, Jones put it up when Latimer could make a play.



Its funny because of all the haters against Jones, i.e. cris carter, now we have to confirm whether the pass had a spiral, was on money, the corner played the ball, the corner was first stringer, etc...
Only if you're an asshole BBIr.
The rest of the giant fandom is excited and thinks this kid is a player.
RE: RE: ....  
BleedBlue : 8/16/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14533071 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14533065 BleedBlue said:


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An entire half of lauletta and Tanney is fucking stupid. Jones needs as many snaps and reps reading coverages as possible



Against guys who will be bagging groceries doesnt add much



Not all of the defensive players will be cut that are currently playing. Also, it doesn't matter. Reading coverages, handling protections, etc. There is still alot of benefit from playing now. He should have gotten all 3rd qtr and let Tanney n laualetta split 4th.

Dixon  
Marty866b : 8/16/2019 9:26 pm : link
Has way too many crappy punts like the last one. it's easy to see why the Giants are looking at other punters.
RE: RE: Daniel Jones  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14533064 ChaChing said:
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In comment 14533058 crick n NC said:


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Like a tad like Jim Carrey


Very true...but someone (iirc Klaatu?) posted a young Bruce Campbell picture, which must be his identical twin


Just looked it up, yup!
RE: Tanney to Jones:  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14533073 bceagle05 said:
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Thats how you hang onto the ball, bitch!

Scoreboard bitch!
Getting  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:27 pm : link
a feeling that along with Perkins, Goodson and Wheeler are in serious trouble.
RE: RE: RE: ....  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14533086 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14533071 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 14533065 BleedBlue said:


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An entire half of lauletta and Tanney is fucking stupid. Jones needs as many snaps and reps reading coverages as possible



Against guys who will be bagging groceries doesnt add much




Not all of the defensive players will be cut that are currently playing. Also, it doesn't matter. Reading coverages, handling protections, etc. There is still alot of benefit from playing now. He should have gotten all 3rd qtr and let Tanney n laualetta split 4th.
he will start and play a ton in the 4th preseason game
Stupid reminds me of Herz!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 9:29 pm : link
.
That  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:29 pm : link
should have been a pick six for Stupar, but it also could have been caught by #35 for the Bears off of the deflection.
RE: Have to love  
santacruzom : 8/16/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14532968 MookGiants said:
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what you're seeing from Jones. The two fumbles I'm not concerned about, those are easy to correct. He has all the tools to be a stud


I actually think the second should barely count against him. That was just a crazy play.
RE: Stupid reminds me of Herz!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14533098 Simms11 said:
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Stupar
so, as i have learned here tonight idave gettleman and his scout  
plato : 8/16/2019 9:30 pm : link
reorg are nfl quality, and most on bbi are media pack followers.,a surprise of course.
Nice  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:31 pm : link
return by Golden.
Just the preseason  
Marty866b : 8/16/2019 9:31 pm : link
But does it appear that the opposing punter seems to average 55+ against us.
RE: Getting  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14533093 AcidTest said:
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a feeling that along with Perkins, Goodson and Wheeler are in serious trouble.
It's going to be type between Smith and Perkins.
Perkins seemed to redeem himself a bit in the 3rd quarter.
Tight...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:32 pm : link
...
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 9:32 pm : link
not sure the third RB is on this roster. Maybe Penny.
RE: Just the preseason  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14533105 Marty866b said:
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But does it appear that the opposing punter seems to average 55+ against us.


I just said to my family, "I wish we had their punter."
RE: so, as i have learned here tonight idave gettleman and his scout  
Nine-Tails : 8/16/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14533102 plato said:
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reorg are nfl quality, and most on bbi are media pack followers.,a surprise of course.


Dg is a scout at heart. He has his faults, but he knows how to find talent. Ipwhen Jones was picked, I was afraid it was a Mara move for comfort due to the Eli connection. But this was all DG
Lawrence  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:35 pm : link
seems like a cool dude.
Perkins now running hard!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 9:35 pm : link
.
Tanney looking like a Veteran  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 9:37 pm : link
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RE: Lawrence  
BestFeature : 8/16/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14533114 AcidTest said:
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seems like a cool dude.


Yeah, I agree.
After last week and this week's performance....  
nzyme : 8/16/2019 9:38 pm : link
RE: Tanney looking like a Veteran  
Anakim : 8/16/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14533119 Simms11 said:
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He is a veteran
On that Tanney run  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 9:38 pm : link
Wheeler completely famed on his man
Fanned  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 9:39 pm : link
.
I can tell BBI  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:41 pm : link
Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC
Wonder weather giants need  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/16/2019 9:41 pm : link
A third qb on the roster
Put in Lauletta  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 9:42 pm : link
!
Alonzo Russell...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:42 pm : link
... is fast
RE: RE: Tanney looking like a Veteran  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14533125 Anakim said:
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In comment 14533119 Simms11 said:


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He is a veteran


I know he is. I take it back!
That's a nice read by Duck  
Anakim : 8/16/2019 9:42 pm : link
But Tanney under threw that ball badly
Terribly  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:42 pm : link
underthrown by Tanney. Great play by the Bears defender, but that should have been a TD.
RE: Wonder weather giants need  
Anakim : 8/16/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14533135 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
[quote] A third qb on the roster [/quote

I don't think they do
Gates...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:42 pm : link
... Seems like solid depth to me
that's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 9:42 pm : link
just stupid football. And that's on the coaches.
84.....Alonzo russel.....  
thrunthrublue : 8/16/2019 9:43 pm : link
Nfl quality closing speed!!!
RE: Fanned  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14533130 RobCarpenter said:
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It looked that way to me as well.
Ridiculous  
Marty866b : 8/16/2019 9:43 pm : link
Just run the ball in. Why get cute? Just stupidity.
That was bad by Tanney  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 9:44 pm : link
.
RE: I can tell BBI  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:
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Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC


Well, of course the fans here know things before the coaching staff does. The Giants wait to see what bbi decides before making any decisions
RE: Ridiculous  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14533149 Marty866b said:
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Just run the ball in. Why get cute? Just stupidity.


Just stupid, stupid football. I don't care if it is preseason. And on the play before, they were in the shotgun.

This is the shit that drives me nuts with the coaches.
RE: I can tell BBI  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:
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Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC


it is not that he is better, it is that he is the future and it is not like the giants have some veteran super bowl reasy team, they are young..
Does Alonzo play ST?  
beatrixkiddo : 8/16/2019 9:45 pm : link
Kid looks like he wants a spot in this team, I like his size and speed.
RE: I can tell BBI  
ajr2456 : 8/16/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:
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Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC


Yes, a rookie QB has never been better than a veteran from day one in the history of the NFL. I forgot about that.
I'll bet that Tanney  
PEEJ : 8/16/2019 9:46 pm : link
checked into that play
Nice  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:46 pm : link
play by Ladler.
It's pre-season  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 9:46 pm : link
Giants have things they want to work on. Think about that before getting pissy about the play call
RE: On that Tanney run  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14533127 RobCarpenter said:
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Wheeler completely famed on his man


He's looked very sluggish all night.
RE: RE: Ridiculous  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14533152 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14533149 Marty866b said:


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Just run the ball in. Why get cute? Just stupidity.



Just stupid, stupid football. I don't care if it is preseason. And on the play before, they were in the shotgun.

This is the shit that drives me nuts with the coaches.


Thats a TD if Jones was the QB
RE: I can tell BBI  
Thunderstruck27 : 8/16/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:
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Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC


Just think of all the pointless arguments you can get in over Eli. The possibilities are endless.
That's  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:48 pm : link
a TD.
RE: I can tell BBI  
EricJ : 8/16/2019 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:
Quote:
Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC


yeah this place is going to be unbearable.

The right move and the smart decision is to start Eli until this happens..

1. Eli has a couple of really bad games in a row
and/or
2. The team is like 2-6

Other than that, there is no way we are starting Jones early in the season.... and it does not matter how many nice looking passes he throws during pre-season.
RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14533153 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:


Quote:


Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC



it is not that he is better, it is that he is the future and it is not like the giants have some veteran super bowl reasy team, they are young..


So like Insaid, youre going to tell the team before the season you arent going to play the better player and give up on the season?
Eli  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:50 pm : link
is the starter. The people who think he shouldn't be probably also believe that Beal should be cut because he has a hamstring injury.
RE: RE: Ridiculous  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14533152 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14533149 Marty866b said:


Quote:


Just run the ball in. Why get cute? Just stupidity.



Just stupid, stupid football. I don't care if it is preseason. And on the play before, they were in the shotgun.

This is the shit that drives me nuts with the coaches.


With preseason, you never know what plays they want to work on. Add in having to play the Bears later in the season and they might just be trying to run a play to see if somebody had their assignment or something.
RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14533155 ajr2456 said:
Quote:
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:


Quote:


Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC



Yes, a rookie QB has never been better than a veteran from day one in the history of the NFL. I forgot about that.
werent you in Haskins lap? So, more anti-Eli than pro-jones.
RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14533169 EricJ said:
Quote:
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:


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Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC



yeah this place is going to be unbearable.

The right move and the smart decision is to start Eli until this happens..

1. Eli has a couple of really bad games in a row
and/or
2. The team is like 2-6

Other than that, there is no way we are starting Jones early in the season.... and it does not matter how many nice looking passes he throws during pre-season.


Bingo. Its really this simple. If Eli plays well and we are in the playoff hunt, there will be a lot of pissed off posters. I am positive of it.
I think its always a good strategy to quit before you begin  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 9:52 pm : link
It can really save time and money.
Eli vs. Jones  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 9:52 pm : link
Hmm that sounds like it could be a good thread to start....and have that discussion there.
RE: RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14533172 dep026 said:
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In comment 14533153 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


In comment 14533134 dep026 said:


Quote:


Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC



it is not that he is better, it is that he is the future and it is not like the giants have some veteran super bowl reasy team, they are young..



So like Insaid, youre going to tell the team before the season you arent going to play the better player and give up on the season?


you are not giving up on the season and what is wrong with going with your future qb?

I get everyone loves eli but if you wemt with jones i dont think the players would think you are giving up on thr season...

and didnt the giants do it to start eli?
RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14533155 ajr2456 said:
Quote:
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:


Quote:


Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC



Yes, a rookie QB has never been better than a veteran from day one in the history of the NFL. I forgot about that.


Youre seriously unfuckingbearable.

So Eli has been by far the best QB in camp. Lights it up tonight. And Jones is better.

Christ - theres agendas and there is shitty posting. Guess which one you are?
RE: I think its always a good strategy to quit before you begin  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14533183 Bill L said:
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It can really save time and money.


HA!
RE: RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14533182 dep026 said:
Quote:
In comment 14533169 EricJ said:


Quote:


In comment 14533134 dep026 said:


Quote:


Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC



yeah this place is going to be unbearable.

The right move and the smart decision is to start Eli until this happens..

1. Eli has a couple of really bad games in a row
and/or
2. The team is like 2-6

Other than that, there is no way we are starting Jones early in the season.... and it does not matter how many nice looking passes he throws during pre-season.



Bingo. Its really this simple. If Eli plays well and we are in the playoff hunt, there will be a lot of pissed off posters. I am positive of it.

+1
RE: RE: Ridiculous  
ChaChing : 8/16/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14533152 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
In comment 14533149 Marty866b said:
Quote:
Just run the ball in. Why get cute? Just stupidity.


Just stupid, stupid football. I don't care if it is preseason. And on the play before, they were in the shotgun.

This is the shit that drives me nuts with the coaches.

But but but Pete Carroll insists it's the smart play on the goaline...
Seems like we should be happy  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/16/2019 9:54 pm : link
That we have a guy that looks like our next QB whether he plays now or later.
and i am not even saying start jones week 1  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 9:54 pm : link
but he has to play this year, eli is not your starter next year
RE: RE: RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14533185 nygiants16 said:
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you are not giving up on the season and what is wrong with going with your future qb?

I get everyone loves eli but if you wemt with jones i dont think the players would think you are giving up on thr season...

and didnt the giants do it to start eli?


So youre going to tell the team that guy who has performed better all of camp, established veteran - that ehhh youre done. You think that sends a good sign?

Shit... should we cut Bethea too and start love at FS too?
Odds are Jones will start later in the season,  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 9:55 pm : link
and I'm okay with that. Dude has also done himself some favors last week and tonight. 11/14 161, TD. Ridiculous.
RE: and i am not even saying start jones week 1  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14533193 nygiants16 said:
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but he has to play this year, eli is not your starter next year


And like everyone with a brain says... you play Eli until he is godawful for a few games or we are in the toilet record wise to start the year. If we are 9-3, should we bench Eli for Jones?
Not  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 9:55 pm : link
a great decision by Tanney on that deep throw. But then a nice throw and an even better catch by Scott.
RE: Seems like we should be happy  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14533192 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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That we have a guy that looks like our next QB whether he plays now or later.


Bingo x2!
Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
micky : 8/16/2019 9:57 pm : link
Qb to qb
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14533194 dep026 said:
Quote:
In comment 14533185 nygiants16 said:


Quote:



you are not giving up on the season and what is wrong with going with your future qb?

I get everyone loves eli but if you wemt with jones i dont think the players would think you are giving up on thr season...

and didnt the giants do it to start eli?



So youre going to tell the team that guy who has performed better all of camp, established veteran - that ehhh youre done. You think that sends a good sign?

Shit... should we cut Bethea too and start love at FS too?


It is going to be messy no matter when you do it...

Giants can be 3-5 and it is still going to be messy..

Here's the question  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 9:58 pm : link
Would you prefer Manning to play well and be a playoff team, or for Manning to not play well, so Jones comes in?

Answer should be simple
RE: Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14533200 micky said:
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Qb to qb
. Or sure theres evidence of that. They have a an who can lead them and they have an heir apparent thats learning.
RE: I can tell BBI  
BigBlueShock : 8/16/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:
Quote:
Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC

Wtf? Would you be happier if Jones has looked like shit? This is ridiculous. We should ALL be happy with what weve seen from Jones. It doesnt make him better than Eli but whats wrong with being excited about what we are seeing?

Do you honestly think that getting Jones in sooner rather than later is not better for the long term? Instead of being excited about Jones, youre more worried about the reactions youll see regarding Eli if he doesnt play well. And thats pathetic.
RE: Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14533200 micky said:
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Qb to qb
how so?
It's not outlandish  
MookGiants : 8/16/2019 9:59 pm : link
to think Jones can actually be better than Eli this year.

I'm still not sure what the point of having Eli on the team is. Getting paid a shit ton of money, is finished being a good football player and could create a real messy situation if not handled properly by Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur.

Judging by how Eli has been handled for a couple years now, it's probably going to be a shit show. There is a ton of risk, and very little reward. Everyone, Eli included, would have been far better off if he was cut in the off-season.

It's sad the way Eli's giants career is going to end. Terrific career that is going to have a black eye on it at the end because of the owner. McAdoo was a total clown, but he was right about Eli at this stage. McAdoo handled everything terribly, but he also gave the Giants a get out of jail free card where Mara and co. didn't have to be the bad guy and they could have parted ways that off-season, and they chose not to do that.

The 2019 season to me is mostly about Daniel Jones. I dont need to see Eli play a bunch of games and struggle to even be .500. Get Jones meaningful time and set your sights on bigger things for 2020. Hopefully don't let Barkley take a beating and hope that guys like Lorenzo Carter show great promise.

Way too great of a chance at a complete mess to even consider bringing Eli back this year.

The managements comments comparing the situation to Green Bay with Rodgers/Favre and KC with Smith/Mahomes scares the hell out of me. Eli has done absolutely nothing recently to make anyone believe the GIants can win 10+ games this year. The Packers/Chiefs were both playoff teams in those 2 QB's final seasons, Favre all the way to NFC title game. The Giants the last 2 seasons have been dreadful.

I'm just not sure what they are holding onto with Eli. The Giants couldn't handle the Eli situation worse if they were intentionally trying to have it blow up in their face.

This is Barkleys and Jones team now and hopefully for a long time. The sooner it's turned over to Jones, the better.

RE: Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
BillT : 8/16/2019 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14533200 micky said:
Quote:
Qb to qb

Because they should have released Eli before they drafted Jones or should they have not drafted Jones because they had Eli? Inquiring minds want to know.
Hilliman  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
Nice run.....little wiggle.
what i dont want  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
is for the giants to be around 500 and barely in the playoff picture and the giants stick with eli because there is a slight chance they can make the playoffs
You'd think after the last 7 years everyone would be more focused  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
on the future, but whatever. Either way, Jones' day is coming soon. I'm just happy about that.
RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
EricJ : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14533155 ajr2456 said:
Quote:


Yes, a rookie QB has never been better than a veteran from day one in the history of the NFL. I forgot about that.


Your untrained eye tells you that Jones is better right now. You have no idea what it takes to be a good QB.

Do you know whether Jones has absorbed the whole play book?
Do you know whether he is making all of the right adjustments at the line yet?
Do you know whether he is making the right reads?
Does anyone know whether he can deal with a real pass rush when the season starts?
Can you tell us how well he has played against a starting defense?

I have been a critic of Eli over the years. Dep will tell you that. However, you have to look at this objectively. There is no way that Jones is a better QB yet. If you still think that is the case, then someone needs to take your car keys away because your judgement is a huge issue right now.
Leave Eli alone!  
adamg : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
RE: Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14533200 micky said:
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Qb to qb


Bringing the absolute LULZ as usual.
RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14533204 BigBlueShock said:
Quote:
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:


Quote:


Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC


Wtf? Would you be happier if Jones has looked like shit? This is ridiculous. We should ALL be happy with what weve seen from Jones. It doesnt make him better than Eli but whats wrong with being excited about what we are seeing?

Do you honestly think that getting Jones in sooner rather than later is not better for the long term? Instead of being excited about Jones, youre more worried about the reactions youll see regarding Eli if he doesnt play well. And thats pathetic.


I think you misunderstood my post. Ive been as pumped as anyone with Jones. I am just shaking my head at guys saying he should automatically start week 1.

There are posters here basically saying if we made the playoffs with Eli, that it was a wasted season since Jones didnt start.

RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14533204 BigBlueShock said:
Quote:
In comment 14533134 dep026 said:


Quote:


Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC


Wtf? Would you be happier if Jones has looked like shit? This is ridiculous. We should ALL be happy with what weve seen from Jones. It doesnt make him better than Eli but whats wrong with being excited about what we are seeing?

Do you honestly think that getting Jones in sooner rather than later is not better for the long term? Instead of being excited about Jones, youre more worried about the reactions youll see regarding Eli if he doesnt play well. And thats pathetic.
youre not hurting Jones by sitting him and you play each year to maximized your record. Not sure whats wrong with that. Its what normal professionals do.
Conrad buried someone on that TD run  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 10:00 pm : link
hes going to enjoy seeing that on film tomorrow
RE: You'd think after the last 7 years everyone would be more focused  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14533212 Dave in Hoboken said:
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on the future, but whatever. Either way, Jones' day is coming soon. I'm just happy about that.


Shit youve been waiting 15 years...
RE: It's not outlandish  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14533206 MookGiants said:
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to think Jones can actually be better than Eli this year.

I'm still not sure what the point of having Eli on the team is. Getting paid a shit ton of money, is finished being a good football player and could create a real messy situation if not handled properly by Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur.

Judging by how Eli has been handled for a couple years now, it's probably going to be a shit show. There is a ton of risk, and very little reward. Everyone, Eli included, would have been far better off if he was cut in the off-season.

It's sad the way Eli's giants career is going to end. Terrific career that is going to have a black eye on it at the end because of the owner. McAdoo was a total clown, but he was right about Eli at this stage. McAdoo handled everything terribly, but he also gave the Giants a get out of jail free card where Mara and co. didn't have to be the bad guy and they could have parted ways that off-season, and they chose not to do that.

The 2019 season to me is mostly about Daniel Jones. I dont need to see Eli play a bunch of games and struggle to even be .500. Get Jones meaningful time and set your sights on bigger things for 2020. Hopefully don't let Barkley take a beating and hope that guys like Lorenzo Carter show great promise.

Way too great of a chance at a complete mess to even consider bringing Eli back this year.

The managements comments comparing the situation to Green Bay with Rodgers/Favre and KC with Smith/Mahomes scares the hell out of me. Eli has done absolutely nothing recently to make anyone believe the GIants can win 10+ games this year. The Packers/Chiefs were both playoff teams in those 2 QB's final seasons, Favre all the way to NFC title game. The Giants the last 2 seasons have been dreadful.

I'm just not sure what they are holding onto with Eli. The Giants couldn't handle the Eli situation worse if they were intentionally trying to have it blow up in their face.

This is Barkleys and Jones team now and hopefully for a long time. The sooner it's turned over to Jones, the better.


Hi! I really wanted Darnold and spent a year bitching about it, so I'm going to repost a version of this whenever possible.

Wouldn't that just be an easier reply?
Not allowing challenge PI  
Steve in ATL : 8/16/2019 10:01 pm : link
on 2 point conversion
RE: It's not outlandish  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14533206 MookGiants said:
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to think Jones can actually be better than Eli this year.

I'm still not sure what the point of having Eli on the team is. Getting paid a shit ton of money, is finished being a good football player and could create a real messy situation if not handled properly by Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur.

Judging by how Eli has been handled for a couple years now, it's probably going to be a shit show. There is a ton of risk, and very little reward. Everyone, Eli included, would have been far better off if he was cut in the off-season.

It's sad the way Eli's giants career is going to end. Terrific career that is going to have a black eye on it at the end because of the owner. McAdoo was a total clown, but he was right about Eli at this stage. McAdoo handled everything terribly, but he also gave the Giants a get out of jail free card where Mara and co. didn't have to be the bad guy and they could have parted ways that off-season, and they chose not to do that.

The 2019 season to me is mostly about Daniel Jones. I dont need to see Eli play a bunch of games and struggle to even be .500. Get Jones meaningful time and set your sights on bigger things for 2020. Hopefully don't let Barkley take a beating and hope that guys like Lorenzo Carter show great promise.

Way too great of a chance at a complete mess to even consider bringing Eli back this year.

The managements comments comparing the situation to Green Bay with Rodgers/Favre and KC with Smith/Mahomes scares the hell out of me. Eli has done absolutely nothing recently to make anyone believe the GIants can win 10+ games this year. The Packers/Chiefs were both playoff teams in those 2 QB's final seasons, Favre all the way to NFC title game. The Giants the last 2 seasons have been dreadful.

I'm just not sure what they are holding onto with Eli. The Giants couldn't handle the Eli situation worse if they were intentionally trying to have it blow up in their face.

This is Barkleys and Jones team now and hopefully for a long time. The sooner it's turned over to Jones, the better.


Mara is petrified of pissing off the mannings and if it was up to him manning would choose when he wants to be done
RE: RE: Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
micky : 8/16/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14533203 Bill L said:
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Qb to qb

. Or sure theres evidence of that. They have a an who can lead them and they have an heir apparent thats learning.


Bottomline..drafted jones rid eli..or eli's team this season and drafted much more area of need say defense and made it work to draft a better group of qbs next draft. Bottomline, like it or not, they messed this up..the transition. Period
Yep  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:02 pm : link
This place will be more brutal than usual
Oh well, I can choose to endure it or not.
Nygiants16  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:03 pm : link
Youre sounding ridiculous. Mara is afraid of pissing off Manning? Come on, youre better than that.
RE: RE: It's not outlandish  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14533224 nygiants16 said:
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to think Jones can actually be better than Eli this year.

I'm still not sure what the point of having Eli on the team is. Getting paid a shit ton of money, is finished being a good football player and could create a real messy situation if not handled properly by Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur.

Judging by how Eli has been handled for a couple years now, it's probably going to be a shit show. There is a ton of risk, and very little reward. Everyone, Eli included, would have been far better off if he was cut in the off-season.

It's sad the way Eli's giants career is going to end. Terrific career that is going to have a black eye on it at the end because of the owner. McAdoo was a total clown, but he was right about Eli at this stage. McAdoo handled everything terribly, but he also gave the Giants a get out of jail free card where Mara and co. didn't have to be the bad guy and they could have parted ways that off-season, and they chose not to do that.

The 2019 season to me is mostly about Daniel Jones. I dont need to see Eli play a bunch of games and struggle to even be .500. Get Jones meaningful time and set your sights on bigger things for 2020. Hopefully don't let Barkley take a beating and hope that guys like Lorenzo Carter show great promise.

Way too great of a chance at a complete mess to even consider bringing Eli back this year.

The managements comments comparing the situation to Green Bay with Rodgers/Favre and KC with Smith/Mahomes scares the hell out of me. Eli has done absolutely nothing recently to make anyone believe the GIants can win 10+ games this year. The Packers/Chiefs were both playoff teams in those 2 QB's final seasons, Favre all the way to NFC title game. The Giants the last 2 seasons have been dreadful.

I'm just not sure what they are holding onto with Eli. The Giants couldn't handle the Eli situation worse if they were intentionally trying to have it blow up in their face.

This is Barkleys and Jones team now and hopefully for a long time. The sooner it's turned over to Jones, the better.




Mara is petrified of pissing off the mannings and if it was up to him manning would choose when he wants to be done

Now thats unmitigated bullshit.
RE: RE: Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
micky : 8/16/2019 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14533215 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Qb to qb



Bringing the absolute LULZ as usual.


You bring the lulz or clusterfuck ..drop dead hahaha
Alonzo Russell  
Thinblueline : 8/16/2019 10:04 pm : link
Is a player.. He consistently gets open, QB's not seeing him... Did you see that speed from a 6'4" receiver!
Tolliver getting picked on again!  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:04 pm : link
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Adding a...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 10:04 pm : link
"period" to a sentence end doesn't really do anything if the entire post before it is pure gibberish.
RE: RE: RE: Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:04 pm : link
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Bringing the absolute LULZ as usual.



You bring the lulz or clusterfuck ..drop dead hahaha


Classy. Telling someone to die. Holy fuck.
RE: Nygiants16  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14533229 dep026 said:
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Youre sounding ridiculous. Mara is afraid of pissing off Manning? Come on, youre better than that.
now youre full of crap. This is a tough night.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bottom line they clusterfucked the transition  
micky : 8/16/2019 10:05 pm : link
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Bringing the absolute LULZ as usual.



You bring the lulz or clusterfuck ..drop dead hahaha



Classy. Telling someone to die. Holy fuck.


Yup..i don't give a fuck lol
micky..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 10:05 pm : link
that isn't the first time you've told me to drop dead.

As a person who is actually sick, you should know better. If I said the same to you - that would be a hideous comment.

You just can't fucking help yourself.
Was  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 10:05 pm : link
Wheeler even in on that last drive?
RE: RE: You'd think after the last 7 years everyone would be more focused  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:06 pm : link
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on the future, but whatever. Either way, Jones' day is coming soon. I'm just happy about that.



Shit youve been waiting 15 years...


Wrong.
You  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 10:06 pm : link
are a fucking imbecile
Jones has looked good in his time so far.  
bradshaw44 : 8/16/2019 10:06 pm : link
That being said, its preseason. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. You start Eli. If the season gets away from us, like so many have recently, you give the kid his shot.
RE: Nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14533229 dep026 said:
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Youre sounding ridiculous. Mara is afraid of pissing off Manning? Come on, youre better than that.


You dont think there is a part of mara that still feels bad he had a hand in benching eli?

he just did anninterview where he hopes jones does not see the field and says eli is year to year...there should be no chance eli is back next year
Micky  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:06 pm : link
Wishing death upon posters isn't uncommon
Nate Solder  
Nick in LA : 8/16/2019 10:07 pm : link
Getting some tape for an analyst position after football
RE: RE: RE: You'd think after the last 7 years everyone would be more focused  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:07 pm : link
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on the future, but whatever. Either way, Jones' day is coming soon. I'm just happy about that.



Shit youve been waiting 15 years...



Wrong.


Right.
You  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 10:07 pm : link
could be at the bottom of the depth chart for your position, but would nonetheless have a great chance to make the team if you showed anything good as a PR.
I for one am happy Eli played well  
justafan : 8/16/2019 10:07 pm : link
and even though Jones had some ball security issues I still think he played well as a rookie. Not sure what the debate is here. Start Eli until he is not performing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You'd think after the last 7 years everyone would be more focused  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14533248 dep026 said:
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on the future, but whatever. Either way, Jones' day is coming soon. I'm just happy about that.



Shit youve been waiting 15 years...



Wrong.



Right.


If that was true, I'd be one of the people wanting Jones to start Week 1 this year, which I don't. So...nope.
RE: Jones has looked good in his time so far.  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14533244 bradshaw44 said:
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That being said, its preseason. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. You start Eli. If the season gets away from us, like so many have recently, you give the kid his shot.
Agree. But people want to tank before September. Its crazy and more than a bit unethical.
RE: Nate Solder  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14533247 Nick in LA said:
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Getting some tape for an analyst position after football


HAHA. Yes.
RE: micky..  
micky : 8/16/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14533239 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that isn't the first time you've told me to drop dead.

As a person who is actually sick, you should know better. If I said the same to you - that would be a hideous comment.

You just can't fucking help yourself.


Actually i wouldn't give a fuck. You can. But to you it would lol
Can't we all just get along?  
adamg : 8/16/2019 10:08 pm : link
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and again eli should start  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:08 pm : link
but this season should be about getting jones ready to hit the ground running next year, i love eli but he is no.longer the future qb
RE: what i dont want  
Nine-Tails : 8/16/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14533210 nygiants16 said:
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is for the giants to be around 500 and barely in the playoff picture and the giants stick with eli because there is a slight chance they can make the playoffs


That would suck, and I think its quite possible. Many would probably like a playoff team and the reins handed to Jones next year, ala Smith to Mahomes. But in that situation it could be dicey, DG and Shurmur probably would want to go to Jones, Mara would want Eli back for another year and Manning would want multiple years.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You'd think after the last 7 years everyone would be more focused  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:09 pm : link
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on the future, but whatever. Either way, Jones' day is coming soon. I'm just happy about that.



Shit youve been waiting 15 years...



Wrong.



Right.



If that was true, I'd be one of the people wanting Jones to start Week 1 this year, which I don't. So...nope.


Why not start Jones week 1? He looks ready, right?
Giants defense has some dude out there  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 10:09 pm : link
with some beautiful hair. Lol
RE: I for one am happy Eli played well  
wonderback : 8/16/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14533251 justafan said:
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and even though Jones had some ball security issues I still think he played well as a rookie. Not sure what the debate is here. Start Eli until he is not performing.


Youre not alone. What you said. I dont get it either.
RE: RE: Nygiants16  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14533245 nygiants16 said:
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Youre sounding ridiculous. Mara is afraid of pissing off Manning? Come on, youre better than that.



You dont think there is a part of mara that still feels bad he had a hand in benching eli?

he just did anninterview where he hopes jones does not see the field and says eli is year to year...there should be no chance eli is back next year


Again, people need to see whats actually said.

1. If the giants have this unexpected season and win the division and make noise in the playoffs with Eli, isnt that a good thing? Dont you think thats what Mara was implying?
2. And lets take it a step further. In the unlikely scenario we winnthe SB this year and Eli has a great year - youre just tossing him away?

And what could the Mannings possibly do to Mara in retaliation of starting Jones? Mara is a million times more powerful than eli or Archie when it comes to the NFL?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You'd think after the last 7 years everyone would be more focused  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:10 pm : link
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on the future, but whatever. Either way, Jones' day is coming soon. I'm just happy about that.



Shit youve been waiting 15 years...



Wrong.



Right.



If that was true, I'd be one of the people wanting Jones to start Week 1 this year, which I don't. So...nope.


Why not start Jones week 1? He looks ready, right?


If the team is bad or just not in contention, I'd play Jones in the middle/towards the end of the season.
I think Jones still needs seasoning.....  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:10 pm : link
once the bullets start really flying, Defenses will get much tougher to decipher. He needs time to develop and we can still win with Eli early on.
This  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 10:10 pm : link
isn't complicated. Eli is the starter until the Giants are mathematically eliminated. Sometime after that, Jones plays so he can get some regular game experience before next season.
Its retry obvious, and professional that  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:10 pm : link
They will play for the present, until the present dictates that they play for the future.
RE: and again eli should start  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14533257 nygiants16 said:
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but this season should be about getting jones ready to hit the ground running next year, i love eli but he is no.longer the future qb


And he can easily do that playing 6-8 games, right?
RE: RE: and again eli should start  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:13 pm : link
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but this season should be about getting jones ready to hit the ground running next year, i love eli but he is no.longer the future qb



And he can easily do that playing 6-8 games, right?


as long as he plays 6 to 8 games, i would prefer 10 but i would take 6 to 8 games but my worry is he gets the last coiple of games and that is it...
Much much better job by Dixon there......  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:13 pm : link
If he can just maintain that consistency.
Russell making a case for himself  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 10:13 pm : link
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RE: This  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14533265 AcidTest said:
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isn't complicated. Eli is the starter until the Giants are mathematically eliminated. Sometime after that, Jones plays so he can get some regular game experience before next season.


no it shouldnt be mathematically eliminated
RE: This  
Nine-Tails : 8/16/2019 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14533265 AcidTest said:
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isn't complicated. Eli is the starter until the Giants are mathematically eliminated. Sometime after that, Jones plays so he can get some regular game experience before next season.


My leash would be shorter. Say the Giants fall to say 3-6 and lost two in a row in poor fashion, and Jones is showing well in practice. Right there would be the time to make the switch. Possibility he sparks the team and saves the season.
RE: RE: RE: and again eli should start  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14533269 nygiants16 said:
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but this season should be about getting jones ready to hit the ground running next year, i love eli but he is no.longer the future qb



And he can easily do that playing 6-8 games, right?



as long as he plays 6 to 8 games, i would prefer 10 but i would take 6 to 8 games but my worry is he gets the last coiple of games and that is it...


Why are you worrying about something you don't control nor have any real idea what will happen?
Russell  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 10:14 pm : link
doing his best J. Williams impression.
Mahomes had 1 game  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:14 pm : link
To get ready for a MVP year.

Jones will be fine and we should be excited that either.

Eli has a big year and we make the playoffs

Or

Jones gets ready for 2020.
RE: Russell  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14533276 AcidTest said:
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doing his best J. Williams impression.


Same thought entered my mind.
RE: RE: RE: I can tell BBI  
BigBlueShock : 8/16/2019 10:15 pm : link
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Is going to be unbearable once Eli plays at least the first 6-8 weeks. Now Daniel Jones is already better?

JFC


Wtf? Would you be happier if Jones has looked like shit? This is ridiculous. We should ALL be happy with what weve seen from Jones. It doesnt make him better than Eli but whats wrong with being excited about what we are seeing?

Do you honestly think that getting Jones in sooner rather than later is not better for the long term? Instead of being excited about Jones, youre more worried about the reactions youll see regarding Eli if he doesnt play well. And thats pathetic.

youre not hurting Jones by sitting him and you play each year to maximized your record. Not sure whats wrong with that. Its what normal professionals do.

Oh I absolutely agree. My point to dep is, hes etting it up to be absolutely unbearable when the time comes to get Jones on the field. We all know hes gonna go through the typical rookie struggles. But dep will remind us all on every incomplpass or turnover that many thought Jones was better than Eli. He is not going to be an objective viewer in this. Hes too invested.

Any sane person on the planet wont expect Jones to perform like a 15 year vet right out of the shoots. But dep will focus on the 1% that actually thinks Jones is better right now. You watch. Its going to happen.
Jones will be fine  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:15 pm : link
Nice transition from Eli will be fine
BBS  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:17 pm : link
I think youre misreading my posts cause thats not what I mean.

The unbearable part is going to be posters clamoring everyday once the season starts for him to start when in reality Eli will be given at least 6 starts to show what he can do.
People are going to be literally crying either later this season  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:18 pm : link
or Week 1 2020..
I've been  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:18 pm : link
Crying a lot the last several years
BBS  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:19 pm : link
So I guess all my posts cheering and complimenting Jones was ignored on your part. Fucking BBI sucks anymore.
RE: I've been  
adamg : 8/16/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14533285 crick n NC said:
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Crying a lot the last several years


Which is why Eli should have a short leash.
Beautiful hair dude  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 10:20 pm : link
With the fumble recovery
What ownership/management says  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/16/2019 10:20 pm : link
and what they do are often two very different things.

Jones will start 2020. Possibly sooner. Probably not until the season is lost.

At this point they are saying all the right things to smooth the transition, but it's very telling that they didn't extend Eli. There is no way they are going to extend him next offseason and continue to sit a #6 pick. It's downright foolish to expect otherwise.

It should be obvious that the PR plan at this point is to placate a fan base that acted like morons the last time Eli was benched.
Hillman doing some work  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 10:21 pm : link
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RE: RE: I've been  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:21 pm : link
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Crying a lot the last several years



Which is why Eli should have a short leash.


Eli's time here is almost up. It more than likely won't bother me when they switch.

I would prefer Manning to have a good season
RE: What ownership/management says  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14533290 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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and what they do are often two very different things.

Jones will start 2020. Possibly sooner. Probably not until the season is lost.

At this point they are saying all the right things to smooth the transition, but it's very telling that they didn't extend Eli. There is no way they are going to extend him next offseason and continue to sit a #6 pick. It's downright foolish to expect otherwise.

It should be obvious that the PR plan at this point is to placate a fan base that acted like morons the last time Eli was benched.


+1.
Bunche not a good showing tonight  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:22 pm : link
many penalties
RE: RE: RE: I've been  
adamg : 8/16/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14533292 crick n NC said:
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Crying a lot the last several years



Which is why Eli should have a short leash.



Eli's time here is almost up. It more than likely won't bother me when they switch.

I would prefer Manning to have a good season


I want him to win another superbowl. But he hasn't been good lately. And expecting a superbowl is fucking crazy at this point.
Credit where due  
mfsd : 8/16/2019 10:22 pm : link
Lauletta not giving up a roster spot without a fight
Noodle arm???  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 10:22 pm : link
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Nice  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 10:22 pm : link
throw by Lauletta.
Lauletta geeked  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 10:23 pm : link
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RE: What ownership/management says  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14533290 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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and what they do are often two very different things.

Jones will start 2020. Possibly sooner. Probably not until the season is lost.

At this point they are saying all the right things to smooth the transition, but it's very telling that they didn't extend Eli. There is no way they are going to extend him next offseason and continue to sit a #6 pick. It's downright foolish to expect otherwise.

It should be obvious that the PR plan at this point is to placate a fan base that acted like morons the last time Eli was benched.

That may be true, it its a misplaced fear. The circumstances between Jones and Smith couldnt be more different.
RE: Noodle arm???  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14533298 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Looks a little stronger this year
Why should the giants care  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
What the fans have to say about player personnel. The fans will show up. You certainly don't build or maintain a team because of what fans say. What a horrible way to maintain a team
Would like to see Lauletta make the team  
Sean : 8/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: and again eli should start  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
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but this season should be about getting jones ready to hit the ground running next year, i love eli but he is no.longer the future qb



And he can easily do that playing 6-8 games, right?



as long as he plays 6 to 8 games, i would prefer 10 but i would take 6 to 8 games but my worry is he gets the last coiple of games and that is it...



Why are you worrying about something you don't control nor have any real idea what will happen?


i really donnt trust mara to make that decision
RE: Credit where due  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14533297 mfsd said:
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Lauletta not giving up a roster spot without a fight

Id offer Tanney or Lauletta to the Eagles and see if they bite.
juggernaut...  
section125 : 8/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
it's happening!
RE: Why should the giants care  
nygiants16 : 8/16/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14533305 crick n NC said:
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What the fans have to say about player personnel. The fans will show up. You certainly don't build or maintain a team because of what fans say. What a horrible way to maintain a team


because mara already did this? he freaked out when the backlash started
Nice job  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 10:25 pm : link
.
RE: RE: Noodle arm???  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14533304 Simms11 said:
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Looks a little stronger this year

I read an article where Tanney and Lauletta are trade bait XD
check  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 10:25 pm : link
out this block by Mike Remmers
https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1162510517027713024 - ( New Window )
I wonder what the aggregate QBR for the preseason is?  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:26 pm : link
Theyve all been excellent so far.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I've been  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14533296 adamg said:
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Crying a lot the last several years



Which is why Eli should have a short leash.



Eli's time here is almost up. It more than likely won't bother me when they switch.

I would prefer Manning to have a good season



I want him to win another superbowl. But he hasn't been good lately. And expecting a superbowl is fucking crazy at this point.


My expectations are quite loose for the giants. I've been burned too many times because I thought I knew better.
RE: RE: Why should the giants care  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14533310 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14533305 crick n NC said:


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What the fans have to say about player personnel. The fans will show up. You certainly don't build or maintain a team because of what fans say. What a horrible way to maintain a team



because mara already did this? he freaked out when the backlash started


Or righted a wrong when he was lied to by 3 people who are no longer in the NFL.
for  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 10:26 pm : link
as much love as we gave C.J. Conrad, Garrett Dickerson has looked pretty good.
Like the young players on this roster......  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:26 pm : link
Nice athleticism. We have a nice foundation on this team.
RE: Nice  
Percy : 8/16/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14533299 AcidTest said:
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throw by Lauletta.

It was. A rocket. Like to see more of him in passing situations.End of game emphasis seems to be on runners and run blocking, though.
RE: RE: Why should the giants care  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14533310 nygiants16 said:
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What the fans have to say about player personnel. The fans will show up. You certainly don't build or maintain a team because of what fans say. What a horrible way to maintain a team



because mara already did this? he freaked out when the backlash started


I don't know that he necessarily freaked out. That is a perception.

Even if he did, can't one change their mind or ways?
RE: BBS  
BigBlueShock : 8/16/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14533282 dep026 said:
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I think youre misreading my posts cause thats not what I mean.

The unbearable part is going to be posters clamoring everyday once the season starts for him to start when in reality Eli will be given at least 6 starts to show what he can do.

Yeah Im fine with that if you are saying that when Jones does get his chance and struggles you arent constantly bringing up those that thought hed be better than Eli. Im with you on the fact Jones likely isnt ready and Eli should get the starts as long as they are competitive and in contention. Im just thinking you wont give Jones a fair shake if he struggles when he does take over. I can see an endless stream of I told you so going on.

Dont let the nitwits turn you against Jones, even if subconsciously. We should all hope he comes in and kicks ass.
RE: Would like to see Lauletta make the team  
Nine-Tails : 8/16/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14533306 Sean said:
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Agree
RE: check  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14533314 Eric from BBI said:
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out this block by Mike Remmers https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1162510517027713024 - ( New Window )


I can't tell if that was the same play, I think it was, but Hernandez ended up blocking two dudes at the same time
RE: check  
Canton : 8/16/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14533314 Eric from BBI said:
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out this block by Mike Remmers https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1162510517027713024 - ( New Window )


If his back holds up we may have a very fine line this year. That pancake was sick!
RE: RE: BBS  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14533324 BigBlueShock said:
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I think youre misreading my posts cause thats not what I mean.

The unbearable part is going to be posters clamoring everyday once the season starts for him to start when in reality Eli will be given at least 6 starts to show what he can do.


Yeah Im fine with that if you are saying that when Jones does get his chance and struggles you arent constantly bringing up those that thought hed be better than Eli. Im with you on the fact Jones likely isnt ready and Eli should get the starts as long as they are competitive and in contention. Im just thinking you wont give Jones a fair shake if he struggles when he does take over. I can see an endless stream of I told you so going on.

Dont let the nitwits turn you against Jones, even if subconsciously. We should all hope he comes in and kicks ass.


I can make a nice friendly wager with you. Ill cheer on Jones like I do for Eli when he gets his chance. Ive become a big fan of Jones.

In fact - I texted Mook earlier tonight saying we are going to be just fine with Jones whenever he gets his chance.
More Lauletta!  
Percy : 8/16/2019 10:30 pm : link
Now that they got the ball back
79  
Mike in NY : 8/16/2019 10:31 pm : link
Just moved his guy out of the way
This kid (Hilliman)  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:32 pm : link
Doesnt look half bad
Not too pile on but it's nice not to see  
Bluesbreaker : 8/16/2019 10:32 pm : link
The camera not constantly on OBJ
these guys are having fun and look to be together
as a team .
Wheeler  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 10:32 pm : link
was beaten badly on that long third and eight run by Hillman.
RE: This kid (Hilliman)  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14533335 Bill L said:
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Doesnt look half bad


I think hes defined for the PS, unless one of the backs in front of him get hurt?!
...  
christian : 8/16/2019 10:33 pm : link
I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?
RE: This kid (Hilliman)  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14533335 Bill L said:
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Doesnt look half bad

226 lbs, but looks very shifty for a guy his size. Kind of like 230 lb SB.
RE: RE: This kid (Hilliman)  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14533338 Simms11 said:
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Doesnt look half bad



I think hes defined for the PS, unless one of the backs in front of him get hurt?!

Oh yeah. Im not expecting more than that.
RE: for  
AcidTest : 8/16/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14533320 Eric from BBI said:
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as much love as we gave C.J. Conrad, Garrett Dickerson has looked pretty good.


Agreed.
RE: RE: This kid (Hilliman)  
Simms11 : 8/16/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14533338 Simms11 said:
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Doesnt look half bad



I think hes defined for the PS, unless one of the backs in front of him get hurt?!


destined, not defined....ugh
RE: Not too pile on but it's nice not to see  
Motley Two : 8/16/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14533336 Bluesbreaker said:
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The camera not constantly on OBJ
these guys are having fun and look to be together
as a team .


Just wait until the NFL unveils their new picture in picture feature in the regular season.
these  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 10:34 pm : link
shotgun formations inside the 5-yard line drive me nuts.
It's good to see Hillman  
Captplanet : 8/16/2019 10:34 pm : link
thanking his line just now. The camaraderie on this team is impressive
RE: ...  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14533339 christian said:
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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?

I know its only preseason but even so, I believe this team will be better than you think.
RE: Wheeler  
RobCarpenter : 8/16/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14533337 AcidTest said:
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was beaten badly on that long third and eight run by Hillman.


Get your playbook, coach wants to see you
RE: RE: This kid (Hilliman)  
section125 : 8/16/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14533340 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Doesnt look half bad


226 lbs, but looks very shifty for a guy his size. Kind of like 230 lb SB.


I'd like to see him vs better competition. He looks pretty doggone good. Has some speed too.
RE: ...  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14533339 christian said:
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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?


It's just a final thank you to Eli before they move on for good.
RE: ...  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14533339 christian said:
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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?


Perhaps they believe winning makes a difference in the attitude of your team.

If manning gives them the better chance to turn his team into a winning team then it's an easy decision.

A team can have a successful season without a championship. Some believe winning consistently is good for the mindset of your team
RE: RE: ...  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14533350 Dave in Hoboken said:
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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?



It's just a final thank you to Eli before they move on for good.


You honestly think the giants are wasting a season just to send a player off?
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 8/16/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14533347 Bill L said:
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In comment 14533339 christian said:


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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?


I know its only preseason but even so, I believe this team will be better than you think.


Do you believe this team is good enough to seriously compete for a championship?
did  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/16/2019 10:38 pm : link
Jake Carlock even play?
RE: RE: ...  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14533351 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14533339 christian said:


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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?



Perhaps they believe winning makes a difference in the attitude of your team.

If manning gives them the better chance to turn his team into a winning team then it's an easy decision.

A team can have a successful season without a championship. Some believe winning consistently is good for the mindset of your team
it seems like we have an inordinate number of fans here whose objective is to lose.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14533355 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14533339 christian said:


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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?



It's just a final thank you to Eli before they move on for good.



You honestly think the giants are wasting a season just to send a player off?


Eli has one year left on his contract. I think they're giving this to him and letting him play this final year (or at least until the middle/latter part of the season). Did you see how they reacted when Eli got benched?
They are building  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/16/2019 10:39 pm : link
A team.
And an inordinate..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 10:40 pm : link
amount who think the fans are dictating the decisions that the team is making.

I think there's a shortage of tin foil in the Tri-State area
IDK about that Dave  
adamg : 8/16/2019 10:40 pm : link
Eli may be on the back 9, but he's still a pro. We may not win, but Eli is a legit player.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
crick n NC : 8/16/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14533360 Dave in Hoboken said:
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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?



It's just a final thank you to Eli before they move on for good.



You honestly think the giants are wasting a season just to send a player off?



Eli has one year left on his contract. I think they're giving this to him and letting him play this final year (or at least until the middle/latter part of the season). Did you see how they reacted when Eli got benched?


Yes I was paying attention. Even with that data I was never lead to believe they would simply waste a season
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14533365 crick n NC said:
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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?



It's just a final thank you to Eli before they move on for good.



You honestly think the giants are wasting a season just to send a player off?



Eli has one year left on his contract. I think they're giving this to him and letting him play this final year (or at least until the middle/latter part of the season). Did you see how they reacted when Eli got benched?



Yes I was paying attention. Even with that data I was never lead to believe they would simply waste a season


It's not a gift. He's under contract anyway.
When dafuq  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 10:42 pm : link
Was the last time we didn't look like utter total crap during the preseason?
RE: IDK about that Dave  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14533364 adamg said:
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Eli may be on the back 9, but he's still a pro. We may not win, but Eli is a legit player.


Huh?
RE: They are building  
j_rud : 8/16/2019 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14533361 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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A team.


Came away with the same feeling. And it feels pretty good.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14533356 christian said:
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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?


I know its only preseason but even so, I believe this team will be better than you think.



Do you believe this team is good enough to seriously compete for a championship?


Probably not.... but if Eli is better than Jones (which I believe he is right now), you play Eli until youre proven not.

Dallas has problems with elliott and a bunch of injuries. Guys fussing over contracts. Wentz hasnt proven to stay healthy. And Washington is in a free fall with their QBs.

Heres what I believe. We are on the right path. And we are narrowing the gap. So with some luck, couple bounces - who knows?

The energy and attitude of this team just feels different than what we have rolled out the last 5-6 years.
...  
christian : 8/16/2019 10:45 pm : link
As cynical as it might seem, I'd much rather Jones get through the growing pains, than the Giants win 9 games this year.

Losing now for the sake of experience, and an investment in the future of the team is a sacrifice I'd gladly accept as a fan.
RE: ...  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14533374 christian said:
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As cynical as it might seem, I'd much rather Jones get through the growing pains, than the Giants win 9 games this year.

Losing now for the sake of experience, and an investment in the future of the team is a sacrifice I'd gladly accept as a fan.


What if 9 games gets you in the playoffs?
DJ8 is sick  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/16/2019 10:46 pm : link
Looking off a safety for a good chunk of yardage.
Danny Dimes.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/16/2019 10:47 pm : link
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You could..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 10:49 pm : link
win 9 games this year and still have Jones learn enough to take over full-time next year.

That's worked over and over again in the NFL. If anything, starting immediately out of the gate has led to many flameouts, although the percentage of that happening has lessened in recent years.

I'll try and find the exact n umber, but since 1990, the number of first round QB's who started for more than 3 years after sitting at least a year was like 1.5 times higher than the number of QB's who started for three years or more who started immediately
Agree with crick  
Bill2 : 8/16/2019 10:52 pm : link
I agree with the thinking seen in cricks post at 10:36
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 8/16/2019 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14533377 dep026 said:
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In comment 14533374 christian said:


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As cynical as it might seem, I'd much rather Jones get through the growing pains, than the Giants win 9 games this year.

Losing now for the sake of experience, and an investment in the future of the team is a sacrifice I'd gladly accept as a fan.



What if 9 games gets you in the playoffs?


If the Giants get in the tournament it was worth it.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
dep026 : 8/16/2019 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14533402 christian said:
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As cynical as it might seem, I'd much rather Jones get through the growing pains, than the Giants win 9 games this year.

Losing now for the sake of experience, and an investment in the future of the team is a sacrifice I'd gladly accept as a fan.



What if 9 games gets you in the playoffs?



If the Giants get in the tournament it was worth it.


👍
RE: ...  
Bill L : 8/16/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14533374 christian said:
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As cynical as it might seem, I'd much rather Jones get through the growing pains, than the Giants win 9 games this year.

Losing now for the sake of experience, and an investment in the future of the team is a sacrifice I'd gladly accept as a fan.

Theres a very flawed assumption that if he sits and learns in practice and starts next year ear, that he would still have growing pains and we would have a less than optimal season. Theres really no data to support this; anything is conjecture. Whats real is for people who get paid to do their job to the fullest.
The data..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 11:11 pm : link
actually supports the opposite. At least for 1st rounders.
RE: ...  
TrueBlue56 : 8/16/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14533374 christian said:
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As cynical as it might seem, I'd much rather Jones get through the growing pains, than the Giants win 9 games this year.

Losing now for the sake of experience, and an investment in the future of the team is a sacrifice I'd gladly accept as a fan.


Well, good to know you would forfeit a season because you don't think the giants can compete. Good thing the giants don't follow that line of thinking or 2007 and 2011 would have never happened.

The giants can compete this year and still remain competitive whenever they decide to transition to Daniel Jones. I don't understand how anyone thinks that they can't. Did the chiefs struggle with mahomes? How about Aaron Rodgers when they moved on from Favre? Rivers sat behind breese for 2 seasons and posted a 14-2 record his 1st year as a starter
RE: RE: ...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/16/2019 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14533351 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14533339 christian said:


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I still struggle to understand how management saw the 5-11 team from last year, the number of rookies and 2nd year players in key roles this year, and the number of new players in the system, and thinks this is a team that can compete for a championship.

Because why would you pay and play Manning in front of Jones unless they really think this team has a legitimate shot at championship?



Perhaps they believe winning makes a difference in the attitude of your team.

If manning gives them the better chance to turn his team into a winning team then it's an easy decision.

A team can have a successful season without a championship. Some believe winning consistently is good for the mindset of your team

+1
And having a bad team..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/16/2019 11:26 pm : link
and then starting a first rounder immediately has really taken quite a few guys down.

You don't need to call it the Packers model or the Chiefs model. A first rounder starting immediately on a bad team could have lasting damage. I don't think the Giants are terrible, but you've seen it with a litany of Cleveland Browns QB's. David Carr. Joey Harrington.

...  
christian : 8/16/2019 11:39 pm : link
There's very little in common between the 07, 11, and 19 Giants. The championship teams followed a playoff team and a 10 win team, with a young veteran QB entering his prime.

The 2019 Giants are following consecutive last place finishes with a lame duck quarterback at the end of his career.

I've been highly consistent in my opinion on the quarterback position from the end of last year; cut Manning, sign a much cheaper stop gap, draft a first round player and ease him in. I call that the Tom Coughlin model.

I'm not advocating throwing Jones to the wolves. I'd much rather throw a much less valuable player like Taney at the wolves.

But the worst case is Manning playing 16 games and Jones walking into 2020 with no starts under his belt.
RE: Bunche not a good showing tonight  
Milton : 8/17/2019 2:31 am : link
In comment 14533295 Simms11 said:
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many penalties
C'mon, man, that was crying out for you to say "a bunch of penalties"
RE: ...  
Mike in NY : 8/17/2019 7:35 am : link
In comment 14533449 christian said:
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There's very little in common between the 07, 11, and 19 Giants. The championship teams followed a playoff team and a 10 win team, with a young veteran QB entering his prime.

The 2019 Giants are following consecutive last place finishes with a lame duck quarterback at the end of his career.

I've been highly consistent in my opinion on the quarterback position from the end of last year; cut Manning, sign a much cheaper stop gap, draft a first round player and ease him in. I call that the Tom Coughlin model.

I'm not advocating throwing Jones to the wolves. I'd much rather throw a much less valuable player like Taney at the wolves.

But the worst case is Manning playing 16 games and Jones walking into 2020 with no starts under his belt.


If the Giants are winning and the offense is working the Giants seem comfortable with an Alex Smith/Pat Mahomes approach.
...  
christian : 8/17/2019 9:26 am : link
The 2016 Chiefs were a 12 win team with the 7th best defense in football. They had every reason to believe their incumbent quarterback could help them compete for a championship -- that team has nothing in common with the Giants.

I'm not making a complicated point -- I'm simply saying if you don't believe you can make a run at it -- it's better to have a plan to get the young guy an quickly as responsible.

I'm not saying throw him to the wolves and ruin him, I'm saying when he's ready to execute a gameplan get him starting.
RE: ...  
TrueBlue56 : 8/17/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14533637 christian said:
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The 2016 Chiefs were a 12 win team with the 7th best defense in football. They had every reason to believe their incumbent quarterback could help them compete for a championship -- that team has nothing in common with the Giants.

I'm not making a complicated point -- I'm simply saying if you don't believe you can make a run at it -- it's better to have a plan to get the young guy an quickly as responsible.

I'm not saying throw him to the wolves and ruin him, I'm saying when he's ready to execute a gameplan get him starting.


But, that is the point. Just because you don't think they can make a run at it doesn't mean the giants feel that way. It is not absolutely necessary to get Daniel Jones starts. Plenty of quarterbacks have sat for most of the season and more and played well when their opportunity came. They can learn by watching too.
...  
christian : 8/17/2019 9:43 am : link
Do you believe the Giants can make a championship run?
RE: ...  
dep026 : 8/17/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14533662 christian said:
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Do you believe the Giants can make a championship run?


Why does it have to be a championship or bust? And it doesnt matter what we think.

If the Giants coaches and brass think they can go out and win a lot of football games with Eli then thats what they are going to do. And if we happpen to stink, which is quite possible, then they will make the switch.
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 8/17/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14533668 dep026 said:
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Do you believe the Giants can make a championship run?



Why does it have to be a championship or bust? And it doesnt matter what we think.

If the Giants coaches and brass think they can go out and win a lot of football games with Eli then thats what they are going to do. And if we happpen to stink, which is quite possible, then they will make the switch.


Dep -- if every discussion comes down to "what does it matter what we think" -- Eric might as well close up shop.

I respect Gettleman and Shurmur enough to assume they believe the team can compete, I'm genuinely interested in what the fans think.

Most of the examples of teams who stashed QBs for a full year or more were pretty good teams already, so I don't get those comparisons. I'm looking to understand if there are other more intellectually interesting arguments.
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TrueBlue56 : 8/17/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14533662 christian said:
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Do you believe the Giants can make a championship run?


It doesn't matter what you or I think. It's what the giants think. What the giants think now may change during the course of the season and they will adjust. Last year they thought they had stabilized the offensive line with omameh and flowers on the right side. It didn't work and they made changes. The season will play itself out and reveal where this team is.

With all that said, you asked if I think they can make a championship run. I think the giants could be in contention for the playoffs down the stretch (whether it be for the division or a wild card spot) and if they make the playoffs, anything can happen. We have seen teams get hot late and make a run.

We are not the saints or the rams, but we aren't the Miami dolphins either.
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christian : 8/17/2019 10:03 am : link
Thanks Trueblue -- I think that's a fair point -- the Giants aren't the Dolphins and it wouldn't be jaw dropping if the Giants were in contention at the end.

I think the Giants are further away than many fans. I think when the games matter we'll see a defense with a lot of youth and growing pains, and WR set that's very average and will effectively shorten the field.

I won't be surprised if the Giants are competitive and come up short to the tune of a 3-5 start, but with Manning playing efficient football behind a better line and a better running game.

And that's where I see things getting really tough. What happens if Manning is playing pretty good ball but the Giants aren't winning. How do you handle the season?
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TrueBlue56 : 8/17/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14533686 christian said:
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Thanks Trueblue -- I think that's a fair point -- the Giants aren't the Dolphins and it wouldn't be jaw dropping if the Giants were in contention at the end.

I think the Giants are further away than many fans. I think when the games matter we'll see a defense with a lot of youth and growing pains, and WR set that's very average and will effectively shorten the field.

I won't be surprised if the Giants are competitive and come up short to the tune of a 3-5 start, but with Manning playing efficient football behind a better line and a better running game.

And that's where I see things getting really tough. What happens if Manning is playing pretty good ball but the Giants aren't winning. How do you handle the season?


I have a feeling this offense is going to put up some points. The offensive line is key to that success, but I really like what we have there, As far as wide receivers, I see a lot of what shurmur had in Minnesota with Diggs and Thielen. Tate and shepard can create space within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and get yards after catch. I view the wide receiver group as "the sum is greater than its parts". Engram is also going to be a factor and we will see contributions from players like Fowler, TJ Jones and latimer.

Barkley is another factor and I believe if the passing game is proficient enough, Barkley will find holes to run the ball.

The defense is the biggest unknown, but I really like the mix of veteran leadership with bethea, ogletree, markus golden and Jenkins with young talented fast players. They will have their struggles for sure, but depends how much.

The season really does reveal what teams really are and it will be no different this year. What if we struggle and are 3-5 after 8 games, but the rest of the division is struggling too and we are only 1 game back of the division. What if we see the defense coming on and really playing well.

So many variables that can play out and dictate the decision making. In 2004 we were 5-4 and still fighting for the division when Coughlin made the move to Eli.
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christian : 8/17/2019 11:19 am : link
That's a great point -- there are many variables and unknowns and the season will reveal all.

And that's my point -- in all the myriad scenarios -- the only one where Eli Manning playing the majority of the games clearly gets the Giants closer to the ultimate goal is if they are unambiguously a contender.

And if the Giants aren't an unambiguous contender I don't see the utility in Manning taking away snaps from Jones.

I deeply hope by the midpoint this Giants regime has the fortitude the Coughlin regime did.
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TrueBlue56 : 8/17/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14533817 christian said:
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That's a great point -- there are many variables and unknowns and the season will reveal all.

And that's my point -- in all the myriad scenarios -- the only one where Eli Manning playing the majority of the games clearly gets the Giants closer to the ultimate goal is if they are unambiguously a contender.

And if the Giants aren't an unambiguous contender I don't see the utility in Manning taking away snaps from Jones.

I deeply hope by the midpoint this Giants regime has the fortitude the Coughlin regime did.


In 2007, our defense was blown out by 80 points in the first 2 games and looked like the season was going to go down the toilet. The defense showed nothing, but then they got it together and got significantly better as the season progressed and were eventually instrumental in the playoffs to a superbowl championship.

In 2011, we had a horrible running game. We struggled mightily to run the ball, with any consistency, but then late in the season we started running the ball better and it propelled us into the playoffs and again the running game was a key factor in the playoff run to a superbowl championship.

My point is that teams can improve as the season goes on and we don't know how much of an impact that improvement can mean. This defense could really struggle early on, but by week 8 or 9, they could be really making an impact in a positive way in games.

You seem to feel that Daniel Jones needs to start and the sooner the better. I do not share that sentiment. There are some quarterbacks that have had success starting from day one and others that have struggled as starters from day 1. There are quarterbacks that have had success after sitting for a year or more and others that have struggled. It is not a detriment to the team or Daniel Jones if he doesn't start this year.

Daniel Jones has already come in and showed some very positive production and talent. He will learn a lot from watching and studying.
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