Wheeler looks like he's been passed by Gates and Slade. He whiffs way too much. The Giants will also probably scan the waiver wire after final cuts, although any decent veteran OL who are cut will probably be claimed by a team with a higher waiver status.
Perkins helped himself, but he's competing with Smith, not Gallman, IMO.
Lauletta also helped himself, but I still give a slight edge to Tanney.
PR and pass rush are still big questions, as they have been for years with this team.
And Jones looked good outside of those two fumbles.
It's hard to even blame him for the second fumble. That was a flukishly good play by the defender, who managed to dodge 3 confused-looking linemen and slap the ball away with pinpoint accuracy.
preseason games where our backups look like they have NFL talent.
This^..I only saw the 4th quarter, but when was the last time a Giants 2nd, 3rd, or 4th team looked equal to the opponents backups? I cannot remember - 2011?
Some turnover issues but goes along with learning
They were able to generate a pass rush .
Best of all these guys are forming as a team with no
prima-donna BS .
Corey Latimer picked up where he left off .
Great hustle play by Russell .
And Jones looked good outside of those two fumbles.
It's hard to even blame him for the second fumble. That was a flukishly good play by the defender, who managed to dodge 3 confused-looking linemen and slap the ball away with pinpoint accuracy.
Maybe so, but a rusher speeding around the edge to the passing hand of the QB happens quite often. Ball security is still the qb’s responsibility. IMO, the fault lies at Jones’ feet.
preseason games where our backups look like they have NFL talent.
I think we can be competitive this year, especially if the Cowboys devolve into a shitshow like I think might happen.
Spot on, how many years have we watched this team look like crap in the preseason and blamed it on vanillla schemes and then it continues in week 1 of the regular season. Very encouraged from what I have seen so far.
Alonzo Russell with the effort plays but not many highlight receptions. TJ Jones looking like a keeper. You know they like Slayton, but he's not been on the field.
Russell Shepard could easily be in the outside looking in with several others making a case as well.
RE: Alonzo Russell certainly looks like a keeper Â
read too much into how the team looked tonight because Nagy doesn't give a crap about the preseason. That makes it hard to gauge how the starters would've done in a regular season game.
But a good takeaway is that the bottom half of the roster can play hard and can provide some key depth. We aren't seeing a Davis Webb come in and go 1-7 for 5 yards, or any of the previous backups who have looked terrible. We look like we have solid talent up and down the roster. At least better than we initially thought it would look like.
And Jones looked good outside of those two fumbles.
It's hard to even blame him for the second fumble. That was a flukishly good play by the defender, who managed to dodge 3 confused-looking linemen and slap the ball away with pinpoint accuracy.
Maybe so, but a rusher speeding around the edge to the passing hand of the QB happens quite often. Ball security is still the qb’s responsibility. IMO, the fault lies at Jones’ feet.
Someone pointed out that he kept his eyes downfield, which is a good thing. He also was aware a rusher coming, so that trip was on him. That would be okay where I’d like to see him use his legs to extend
read too much into how the team looked tonight because Nagy doesn't give a crap about the preseason. That makes it hard to gauge how the starters would've done in a regular season game.
But a good takeaway is that the bottom half of the roster can play hard and can provide some key depth. We aren't seeing a Davis Webb come in and go 1-7 for 5 yards, or any of the previous backups who have looked terrible. We look like we have solid talent up and down the roster. At least better than we initially thought it would look like.
I know what you are saying, but in previous years we would struggle even against a start less Nagy team. Its encouraging to see the offense make plays. Wide receivers are catching the ball. Offensive linemen are creating holes for the running backs and the special teams is making plays.
I think it really is like shurmur said before the first pre season game. He wants to see it look like a real football game and it has. It hasn't looked like a football game in preseason for so long.
I was very impressed with #84 Russell's hustle. Perkins was a different player from last week and had a great catch and run. Nice to see Golden get a sack.
Plenty of positives.
Wonder if TE Dickerson is overtaking Simonson... Â
Not sure where he fits but it’s going to be hard keeping him off the field.
I have t seen the whole game yet, just first half. Are you saying Gates looked good playing tackle tonight? He had a bad game last week.....did he do better this week? I’m sure it was against Chicago’s third team though, so I will temper my enthusiasm a wee bit, but always glad to hear good news.
the giants went 6/0 in preseason, and we all expected so much. i think we won 2 games that regular season.
Winning is an important lesson for this giant team, players are getting experience as are units and the three teams, and their coaches.
the SEASON however, is what counts and is so different from this. I’m enjoying studying, once again reinterested in giants football. But we will see what transpires when the real firing starts. It’s always much different.
RE: i remember in the middle or so of the 18 years of terrible football, Â
the giants went 6/0 in preseason, and we all expected so much. i think we won 2 games that regular season.
Winning is an important lesson for this giant team, players are getting experience as are units and the three teams, and their coaches.
the SEASON however, is what counts and is so different from this. I’m enjoying studying, once again reinterested in giants football. But we will see what transpires when the real firing starts. It’s always much different.
Yeah, and it seems like the last 6 years or so we've sucked in the preseason and continued to suck in the regular season. Sometimes bad play in preseason IS indicative of the regular season. No one thinks this is some proof we'll be juggernauts.
Gates had one really bad play where he was best which led to a sack. I will be watching again to see the run blocking closer, but the story that he had a bad game last week I disagree with. Yes, he had the penalties, but he played a lot of snaps and pretty much locked down any kind of pass rush from his side. Neither of his holds were desperation moves from being beaten, they were the type made from starting on his man a bit too long and both were in rushing attempts.
Also interesting was that Slade came in and played LT when Wheeler finally saw the field.
I think the coaches are going to be happy again overall with the tape of Gates. His sack allowed was not due to poor footwork but the defender showed very good use of hands in shedding the block. Gates' arm length is his biggest issue and it hurt him on that play. I don't think he's a starter at LT, but he is likely to be the first man of the bench. As either Papa or Banks said, he's a five-hole player, meaning they can put him anywhere on the line and he'll give you acceptable play.
Called this an up and down performance. I’ll agree the he had two turnovers, but cmon if this was any other top ten pick, you would hear the praise all over.
Whether or not DG needs another offseason to get more OL and front Â
seven players, we look to have the most important piece of the rebuild already...Jones looks like the real goods.
I agree with the comments about the team having greater depth, and must comment that DG accomplished that in a short period of time. Now we could use an impact player or two on defense, and perhaps one more stud on the OL and we’ll be a force again.
I can’t give Gettleman enough praise for the job he’s done to date.
I don't know how this can happen, but the snap did not come straight back but rather looked like it was hiked to the far left grazing Jones' fingers. He still has to secure the ball, but it looked like a funky snap.
I haven't been vocal about it, but I've always thought he was drafted too high. Our coaches seem to believe in his potential, and I hope I'm wrong.
But for now, If he never makes the starting lineup, I wouldn't be surprised.
I haven't been vocal about it, but I've always thought he was drafted too high. Our coaches seem to believe in his potential, and I hope I'm wrong.
But for now, If he never makes the starting lineup, I wouldn't be surprised.
He’s a rookie who is moving from a small school. He’s probably a spot player behind Carter, Golden and Martin. Let’s not write him off after two preseason games.
You already have Tate and Sterling Shepard, but beyond that it is murky. Latimer is a coaching favorite, QB’s seem to have a rapport with Fowler, Russell Shepard has made plays on coverage teams, Alonzo Russell gives 110% whenever he is on the field, T.J. Jones has made plays this preseason, Brittan Golden actually looks like our best returner but really has not shown much at WR going against the same opponents that Jones and Alonzo Russell have, and then there is Darius Slayton. Even with Tate’s suspension you still are in a numbers game.
I haven't been vocal about it, but I've always thought he was drafted too high. Our coaches seem to believe in his potential, and I hope I'm wrong.
But for now, If he never makes the starting lineup, I wouldn't be surprised.
He’s a rookie who is moving from a small school. He’s probably a spot player behind Carter, Golden and Martin. Let’s not write him off after two preseason games.
Banks mentioned he looked gassed during the broadcast. After I picked up on him saying that his technique did look a bit off to me...maybe was getting tired already.
I haven't been vocal about it, but I've always thought he was drafted too high. Our coaches seem to believe in his potential, and I hope I'm wrong.
But for now, If he never makes the starting lineup, I wouldn't be surprised.
Jeez... it's kind early to make such a conclusion. He may not contribute very much this season, but give this guy some time!
...has a nice pass rush, but then got his ass completely handed to him on (I believe) a third down rush to the right. He was double teamed, and by the look of it, he may still be going fucking backwards at 7:59am Saturday morning. He really looked terrible on that play.
RE: For a weak position, WR battle is interesting Â
You already have Tate and Sterling Shepard, but beyond that it is murky. Latimer is a coaching favorite, QB’s seem to have a rapport with Fowler, Russell Shepard has made plays on coverage teams, Alonzo Russell gives 110% whenever he is on the field, T.J. Jones has made plays this preseason, Brittan Golden actually looks like our best returner but really has not shown much at WR going against the same opponents that Jones and Alonzo Russell have, and then there is Darius Slayton. Even with Tate’s suspension you still are in a numbers game.
Yup, Tyke Tolbert is once again doing a great job getting the average guys ready to play hard and make the plays that are there to be made.
I agree that Tate, SS, Latimer and Fowler seem to be the top 4...and assuming Slayton gets his chance to get healthy, that likely leaves 1 remaining spot for Shepard, Russell, Jones, Golden, and the other guys to fight for.
RE: Alonzo Russell certainly looks like a keeper Â
wow, a young team with depth who would have thunk it
I had to tape the game, haven’t seen the second half. What did Alonzo do that made him stand out? I see he only caught one pass for 4 yards, so it had to be something else.
RE: Wonder if TE Dickerson is overtaking Simonson... Â
... the WR competition might not require any really painful choices in September. And by the time Tate returns, somebody else may have gotten dinged or earned a ticket to the waiver wire. Behind Tate, Shepard and Latimer (and possibly Slayton), the Giants have a bunch of Work-hard types who would have a good chance of clearing waivers - either in September or when Tate returns - and returning on the practice squad. Most of them have been waived at least once in their careers.
I haven't heard of any significant injuries. I hope that's true Â
Called this an up and down performance. I’ll agree the he had two turnovers, but cmon if this was any other top ten pick, you would hear the praise all over.
I don’t expect them to gush over Jones performance. After all, they still want to save face for mocking this pick.
What will be comical this week is probably no talking head will criticize the MUrray pick...like say he might be too short, etc. watch...
RE: RE: Alonzo Russell certainly looks like a keeper Â
wow, a young team with depth who would have thunk it
I had to tape the game, haven’t seen the second half. What did Alonzo do that made him stand out? I see he only caught one pass for 4 yards, so it had to be something else.
He caught the defender from behind whom otherwise would have had a pick 6
RE: I haven't heard of any significant injuries. I hope that's true Â
They have four years accrued, so no need to clear waivers. I doubt Fowler is in immediate jeopardy anyway, as long as he stays healthy. He might have to worry when Tate returns, if younger receivers show promise. My guess is that they go vet-heavy in September (Maybe keeping both Fowler and Jones), then start migrating the rookies from the practice squad after Tate comes back.
RE: RE: Alonzo Russell certainly looks like a keeper Â
wow, a young team with depth who would have thunk it
I had to tape the game, haven’t seen the second half. What did Alonzo do that made him stand out? I see he only caught one pass for 4 yards, so it had to be something else.
Tanney threw an interception near the goal line and the defensive player who intercepted it from the bears was gone. Looked like it was a sure TD going the other way. Out of nowhere Russell comes up and made the tackle around mid field. The bears subsequently scored, but Russell showed hustle and speed.
Any one know why he only get a few snaps this game?
He looked pretty decent getting some penetration near the goaline shooting the C gap. Also, got under the right tackle on a run play and nearly tripped up the ball carrier. Any insight would be appreciated. I was thinking he may have been dinged up but then I saw him out there for the last few plays of the game
Confident he can learn from both of those mistakes. Looked like they opened up the playbook for him as well. His accuracy and touch is impressive
Wheeler looks like he's been passed by Gates and Slade. He whiffs way too much. The Giants will also probably scan the waiver wire after final cuts, although any decent veteran OL who are cut will probably be claimed by a team with a higher waiver status.
Perkins helped himself, but he's competing with Smith, not Gallman, IMO.
Lauletta also helped himself, but I still give a slight edge to Tanney.
PR and pass rush are still big questions, as they have been for years with this team.
It's hard to even blame him for the second fumble. That was a flukishly good play by the defender, who managed to dodge 3 confused-looking linemen and slap the ball away with pinpoint accuracy.
I think we can be competitive this year, especially if the Cowboys devolve into a shitshow like I think might happen.
Like the JPP of TEs?
This^..I only saw the 4th quarter, but when was the last time a Giants 2nd, 3rd, or 4th team looked equal to the opponents backups? I cannot remember - 2011?
They were able to generate a pass rush .
Best of all these guys are forming as a team with no
prima-donna BS .
Corey Latimer picked up where he left off .
Great hustle play by Russell .
I think we can be competitive this year, especially if the Cowboys devolve into a shitshow like I think might happen.
Funny how Cooper has a heel injury now...
Agreed - as evidenced by the offense not going to pieces when the backups went in. 2nd and 3rd unit OL looked pretty sharp too
Narrator: he was wrong
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And Jones looked good outside of those two fumbles.
It's hard to even blame him for the second fumble. That was a flukishly good play by the defender, who managed to dodge 3 confused-looking linemen and slap the ball away with pinpoint accuracy.
Maybe so, but a rusher speeding around the edge to the passing hand of the QB happens quite often. Ball security is still the qb’s responsibility. IMO, the fault lies at Jones’ feet.
These 2 preseason games have been night and day when compared to the recent era.
You win in this league with a strong middle roster. We haven't had that in years.
I think we can be competitive this year, especially if the Cowboys devolve into a shitshow like I think might happen.
Spot on, how many years have we watched this team look like crap in the preseason and blamed it on vanillla schemes and then it continues in week 1 of the regular season. Very encouraged from what I have seen so far.
Shepard, Tate, Fowler, Latimer seem like locks.
Alonzo Russell with the effort plays but not many highlight receptions. TJ Jones looking like a keeper. You know they like Slayton, but he's not been on the field.
Russell Shepard could easily be in the outside looking in with several others making a case as well.
Absolutely Agree, big fast possession receiver and good special teams player.. Just what we need!!!
But a good takeaway is that the bottom half of the roster can play hard and can provide some key depth. We aren't seeing a Davis Webb come in and go 1-7 for 5 yards, or any of the previous backups who have looked terrible. We look like we have solid talent up and down the roster. At least better than we initially thought it would look like.
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And Jones looked good outside of those two fumbles.
It's hard to even blame him for the second fumble. That was a flukishly good play by the defender, who managed to dodge 3 confused-looking linemen and slap the ball away with pinpoint accuracy.
Maybe so, but a rusher speeding around the edge to the passing hand of the QB happens quite often. Ball security is still the qb’s responsibility. IMO, the fault lies at Jones’ feet.
Someone pointed out that he kept his eyes downfield, which is a good thing. He also was aware a rusher coming, so that trip was on him. That would be okay where I’d like to see him use his legs to extend
But a good takeaway is that the bottom half of the roster can play hard and can provide some key depth. We aren't seeing a Davis Webb come in and go 1-7 for 5 yards, or any of the previous backups who have looked terrible. We look like we have solid talent up and down the roster. At least better than we initially thought it would look like.
I know what you are saying, but in previous years we would struggle even against a start less Nagy team. Its encouraging to see the offense make plays. Wide receivers are catching the ball. Offensive linemen are creating holes for the running backs and the special teams is making plays.
I think it really is like shurmur said before the first pre season game. He wants to see it look like a real football game and it has. It hasn't looked like a football game in preseason for so long.
Plenty of positives.
Not sure where he fits but it’s going to be hard keeping him off the field.
But if he doesn't, will everyone still act like he did?
Probably.
Not sure where he fits but it’s going to be hard keeping him off the field.
I have t seen the whole game yet, just first half. Are you saying Gates looked good playing tackle tonight? He had a bad game last week.....did he do better this week? I’m sure it was against Chicago’s third team though, so I will temper my enthusiasm a wee bit, but always glad to hear good news.
How about Stephen A or that Max guy, who i thought I heard, claims to be a Giants fan.
Winning is an important lesson for this giant team, players are getting experience as are units and the three teams, and their coaches.
the SEASON however, is what counts and is so different from this. I’m enjoying studying, once again reinterested in giants football. But we will see what transpires when the real firing starts. It’s always much different.
Winning is an important lesson for this giant team, players are getting experience as are units and the three teams, and their coaches.
the SEASON however, is what counts and is so different from this. I’m enjoying studying, once again reinterested in giants football. But we will see what transpires when the real firing starts. It’s always much different.
Yeah, and it seems like the last 6 years or so we've sucked in the preseason and continued to suck in the regular season. Sometimes bad play in preseason IS indicative of the regular season. No one thinks this is some proof we'll be juggernauts.
Also interesting was that Slade came in and played LT when Wheeler finally saw the field.
I think the coaches are going to be happy again overall with the tape of Gates. His sack allowed was not due to poor footwork but the defender showed very good use of hands in shedding the block. Gates' arm length is his biggest issue and it hurt him on that play. I don't think he's a starter at LT, but he is likely to be the first man of the bench. As either Papa or Banks said, he's a five-hole player, meaning they can put him anywhere on the line and he'll give you acceptable play.
I agree with the comments about the team having greater depth, and must comment that DG accomplished that in a short period of time. Now we could use an impact player or two on defense, and perhaps one more stud on the OL and we’ll be a force again.
I can’t give Gettleman enough praise for the job he’s done to date.
Interior pass blocking will be a huge benefit this year and big upgrade at RT.
It was Chicago back-ups but they are a team with one of the better defenses in the league so their depth is probably stronger than most.
The Giants are trotting a significantly better Oline opening day. The team is continuing to work towards winning in Dallas!
...was entirely his fault.
I don't know how this can happen, but the snap did not come straight back but rather looked like it was hiked to the far left grazing Jones' fingers. He still has to secure the ball, but it looked like a funky snap.
...made some nice tackles and compressed the pocket. Very nice effort.
But for now, If he never makes the starting lineup, I wouldn't be surprised.
But for now, If he never makes the starting lineup, I wouldn't be surprised.
He’s a rookie who is moving from a small school. He’s probably a spot player behind Carter, Golden and Martin. Let’s not write him off after two preseason games.
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I haven't been vocal about it, but I've always thought he was drafted too high. Our coaches seem to believe in his potential, and I hope I'm wrong.
But for now, If he never makes the starting lineup, I wouldn't be surprised.
He’s a rookie who is moving from a small school. He’s probably a spot player behind Carter, Golden and Martin. Let’s not write him off after two preseason games.
But for now, If he never makes the starting lineup, I wouldn't be surprised.
Jeez... it's kind early to make such a conclusion. He may not contribute very much this season, but give this guy some time!
...has a nice pass rush, but then got his ass completely handed to him on (I believe) a third down rush to the right. He was double teamed, and by the look of it, he may still be going fucking backwards at 7:59am Saturday morning. He really looked terrible on that play.
Yup, Tyke Tolbert is once again doing a great job getting the average guys ready to play hard and make the plays that are there to be made.
I agree that Tate, SS, Latimer and Fowler seem to be the top 4...and assuming Slayton gets his chance to get healthy, that likely leaves 1 remaining spot for Shepard, Russell, Jones, Golden, and the other guys to fight for.
I had to tape the game, haven’t seen the second half. What did Alonzo do that made him stand out? I see he only caught one pass for 4 yards, so it had to be something else.
Engram, Ellison, Conrad....not sure we keep 4 if we keep 7 WRs. Stash one on PS and bring him up when we get an injury.
I don’t expect them to gush over Jones performance. After all, they still want to save face for mocking this pick.
What will be comical this week is probably no talking head will criticize the MUrray pick...like say he might be too short, etc. watch...
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wow, a young team with depth who would have thunk it
I had to tape the game, haven’t seen the second half. What did Alonzo do that made him stand out? I see he only caught one pass for 4 yards, so it had to be something else.
He caught the defender from behind whom otherwise would have had a pick 6
Hamilton left midway through, pretty sure that was it, and there was no immediate sigh it was serious
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wow, a young team with depth who would have thunk it
I had to tape the game, haven’t seen the second half. What did Alonzo do that made him stand out? I see he only caught one pass for 4 yards, so it had to be something else.
Tanney threw an interception near the goal line and the defensive player who intercepted it from the bears was gone. Looked like it was a sure TD going the other way. Out of nowhere Russell comes up and made the tackle around mid field. The bears subsequently scored, but Russell showed hustle and speed.
He looked pretty decent getting some penetration near the goaline shooting the C gap. Also, got under the right tackle on a run play and nearly tripped up the ball carrier. Any insight would be appreciated. I was thinking he may have been dinged up but then I saw him out there for the last few plays of the game