I derided the pick because of my hatred against Gettleman. Had anyone else picked him I wouldn’t have cared; in fact I said quite a few times that there were things on his tape that I liked, and by that point I had come to realize that Haskins had serious issues with his mobility and throwing motion.
Specifically the fact that daniel Jones knew where the ball was supposed to go on almost every play. This is very evident that he has a chance at being a high iq level for football. At duke he never dropped back and wandered around. He got the ball out very quickly on first down like he was a robot. I wrote that he reminded me of an upgraded Alex Smith which gives him a good shot at being a top 10 qb.
But whatever,
For the record this won’t stop me from hating gettleman
ok parcells hated gy but that’s another story, so why hate dg?
Seems crazy you saw all that on film then in one fell swoop ignored it because of your opinion of someone else...which has nothing to do with his production as a player
But DG staked his legacy on DJ, ultimately, and early returns look promising. Thanks
Seems crazy you saw all that on film then in one fell swoop ignored it because of your opinion of someone else...which has nothing to do with his production as a player
You know what? Give the guy some credit for coming on here and posting that he was wrong. That's a rarity on BBI
This has to be more about his style/abrasiveness and not what he is doing with the team. I think he gas overstated his impact on the Panthers and previous stints with Giants but I think that was in reaction criticism to his unpopular moves.
As pointed out by others he has reshaped the roster for the better and created cap space going forward. Rebuilt the offensive line, the defensive line, the secondary, drafted a generational RB, and brought in Eli's replacement. Oh yes-also got rid of all the malcontents.
Didn't we all want exactly what he has done?
Quote:
to trust it from film, even if you're not a scout. So use actual football to craft an opinion about him as a player instead of from biases for other people, media, fans and their opinions, etc
Seems crazy you saw all that on film then in one fell swoop ignored it because of your opinion of someone else...which has nothing to do with his production as a player
You know what? Give the guy some credit for coming on here and posting that he was wrong. That's a rarity on BBI
Surely. I didn't mean to sound that critical, nor referenced that
Tho it came off backhanded a bit, I was complimenting his football eye based on what he said he saw in DJ from Duke games, saying he should trust it over his opinion of the GM, because that's unrelated to how DJ plays
We will know when the bullets start flying for real and that may take some time.
Where I felt confident in this guy ONLY stemmed from the fact that Shurmur, a real QB guru, imo, was ok with DG pulling the trigger at 6. THAT was the tell-all TO ME.
Oh and btw? Should he become everything we hope for, you know what the backtracking will inevitably me from the negative media and fans? He will go from the “worst pick ever(at 6)” to, “he had his flaws, but my negative reaction was mainly based on taking him at 6.” This, despite, pretty reputable sources saying he would have been gone by 17, given that there were supposedly several teams ready to take him.
So please, stop with the right or wrong, at this point. We just don’t know, yet. That’s what should have been the case when people in the know had the wherewithal to make an informed decision. We will of vourse find out if they were correct. In time.
I understand wanting another player besides Jones, but once the pick was made the amount of outrage expressed before seeing him play a single snap was ludicrous and comical
I understand wanting another player besides Jones, but once the pick was made the amount of outrage expressed before seeing him play a single snap was ludicrous and comical
The good news is that I know squat about college football. The bad news is that I bought into many BBIers disdain for Jones and for picking him at 6. I was shocked at first, until I calmed down and realized who was overreacting and who was confident in the pick (the Giants). I will try not to make that knee jerk response again. I said I will try. :)
As I ve gotten older I ve begun to understand better the concept of I don’t know what I don’t know.
As to media and other fans takes on things, I used to be really influenced by it. I ve come to realize I know more about the team I root for than do 90% of the media that cover them.
As for fans I learned long time ago as a coach, fans usually don’t totally understand enough to be relied upon for good advice
Capable? Yes. Blind faith? No, but why no grey area here? I think evidence suggests that he is capable.
If Jones loves up to his potential that's a pretty big feather in Gettleman's cap, and certainly evidence that he knows more than 90% of BBI that spent April calling him a senile fool.
Quote:
Dg, but I would strongly prefer we have another gm as well. I frankly don’t think the guy is that capable, and we are entrusting him with franchise altering decisions. Time will tell, but that was my initial reaction. Stewart may not be a franchise crippling decision but it was one of the strangest ones I have seen. But nothing to lose sleep over, I just don’t get the blind faith in his skill set.
I don’t either, a lot of assumptions being made about how improved this team is. This is very difficult to gauge when going against vanilla defenses and backups. There are still very few tangible results to indicate how good or bad this team is going to be, better to judge it after some real action.
Capable? Yes. Blind faith? No, but why no grey area here? I think evidence suggests that he is capable.
If Jones loves up to his potential that's a pretty big feather in Gettleman's cap, and certainly evidence that he knows more than 90% of BBI that spent April calling him a senile fool.
No need for proclamations yet. Jones wouldn't be the first rookie to look promising and flame out.
I think just as importantly as it was to not write him off the night he was drafted, it's equally important to keep our expectations in check and understand that there will be struggles and rough patches and probably games where he looks terrible - whenever the keys are handed over to him.
We're all anxious to see what the future holds for Daniel, but as of right now... we really don't know anything.
That being said...
It's absolutely impossible to not love what you've seen thus far. Some beautiful throws. He's really put his arm talent on display in this small window here and I'm really impressed with what I've seen.
He was so hard to evaluate or get a read on @ Duke. Everything I watched, there were almost always guys on his side of the ball that couldn't do their jobs. Whether it was not being able to block, drops, mistakes.. you name it.
But even the stuff I watched of him in college - he just looks like he's throwing the ball better right now than I had seen before.
Let's just enjoy the journey and root for the kid...
I even laugh at the guys who are predicting us to still get 5 wins this year. I just write them off as not really knowing football and not really understanding player development. It makes no sense to think the Giants will be the same as last year when our team is so much better.
I think any knowledgeable fan understands that the first fumble was just growing up pains. He NEVER took a snap under center in college, so obviously he is learning to do,this. No one should hold this against him....it’s like a baby learning to walk falls down at first. Do you hold that against him? No, it happens. Well, I think this also applies here....learning to take snaps under center is a skill that obviously can be learned.
As for the second fumble, yes, he could have avoided that and I’m sure he also will learn from this, but the guy did have a free pass at the qb with an OL whiff. The OL dude was the real culprit here. QBs will at times fumble when blind sided.
Ok
Ok
Did you not watch his college film? And don’t forget, he played on a team where no one else was drafted.
Do you need more? What are your eyes telling you? Do you think all of a sudden he will be inaccurate?
Mara proved himself here, this was his call and a good one.
That said still a very long way to go before we know if he's a starting QB. Plenty of highly drafted QBs take 30-40 games of play to determine whether or not they are starters, and in some of those cases it's still not clear - Tannehill, Jake Locker, Mariota, Winston, Bortles, Derek Carr, Jimmy G. etc. QB's bust at the highest rate of any position and are the hardest thing to find so there's still plenty of risk in projecting Jones' future. I don't think it's a stretch though to say his talent was worthy of being a high draft pick and he has the ability to be a high level QB if he continues to develop.
If a D ran a complex cover 0-1 blitz against DJ8, he's likely to run it to the house for 80 yards.
He's doing a great job.
How could anyone possibly know enough about him to hate him?
He's doing a great job.
How could anyone possibly know enough about him to hate him?
Because some people are morons
If you don't literally hate the person, then why use that word?
As far as what he has done with the team, time will tell for sure. That being said, you need to step back from looking at specific roster decisions and look at it all collectively.
From my perspective, this team has more overall talent at more positions now, we are able to compete against our opponent at more positions, and there is obviously more team unity and a better locker room so far.
So, the ship is moving in the right direction. Remember, there are a lot of good GMs in the league but only two of them get to the Superbowl each year.
Gettleman is doing the right thing by dumping bad contracts, getting rid of players who are not on board, and building from the line of scrimmage out.
But i was impressed given his (correct) emphasis on the lines, his commitment to spending draft capital on DBs.
As far as what he has done with the team, time will tell for sure. That being said, you need to step back from looking at specific roster decisions and look at it all collectively.
From my perspective, this team has more overall talent at more positions now, we are able to compete against our opponent at more positions, and there is obviously more team unity and a better locker room so far.
So, the ship is moving in the right direction. Remember, there are a lot of good GMs in the league but only two of them get to the Superbowl each year.
Gettleman is doing the right thing by dumping bad contracts, getting rid of players who are not on board, and building from the line of scrimmage out.
Well said Eric. He's not a popular person due to his honest, brunt nature. There is also a negative perception of Gettleman due to his decision to move on from Steve Smith and Deangelo Williams, rescind the franchise tender on Josh Norman, and he also discussed moving on from fan favorites Greg Olsen and Thomas Davis due to contract demands.
“There are times where my bedside manner hasn’t been the best. People will tell you that millennials want honesty,” Gettleman told Sports Illustrated. “Sometimes I’ve been a little too abrupt and to the point. And I think it’s because I’ve never been a pussyfooter. I’ve never dallied around. … Maybe there has to be a softer, kinder Dave Gettleman. Yeah, I’m 68, but I’m not an old man falling down. I’d like to think that I can learn, that I’m agile and can still learn.”
Link - ( New Window )
I suggest taking the time to look back at the roster the year before Gettleman arrived and compare it to the current roster.
Backups
So, the ship is moving in the right direction. Remember, there are a lot of good GMs in the league but only one two of them get to the Superbowl each year...
Dropped snap was with the starters, the sack/fumble was with the backups
So far he seems to have the team moving in the right direction. Jury is still out though. He's had a few bad moves, but far more good than bad.
The most important thing he has done is purge the roster. That definitely needed to be done. And in doing so, he has created uber cap space for next year.