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Iím starting to see the progress - patience matters

Sean : 8/17/2019 8:41 am
Rewind to last year. Giants lose an ugly home game to WSH and fall to 1-7. Increasing calls for Lauletta to play, Beckham frustrated, Eli looks beaten down. It was really ugly & I had little hope. Iím *hopeful* that was rock bottom.

Something I struggled with last year was the fact that the Giants didnít draft a QB at 2 in April of 2018. I felt drafting Saquon represented a philosophy that the Giants could win in 2018 & at 1-7 it failed miserably. However, I was wrong & clearly impatient. I just felt the 2004 model made sense (hire the new coach & draft the QB). As it turns out, they took the game changer in Saquon & drafted the QB the next year.

This year feels different. I sense more confidence in Shurmur in his post game speeches. The players seem loose, it looks like theyíre having fun. Weíve seen flashes from Jones. Gettleman is putting his stamp on the roster. It feels like there is hope. A far cry from 1-7 last season.

Iím not saying this team is making the playoffs, but I think there is finally light at the end of the tunnel. And maybe going 4-4 to end last season, did matter. Playing hard in Philly & Indy. Losing a close game to Dallas. Maybe it is all part of the progress.

As annoyed as I was last season, I realize just how much of an undertaking this was for Gettleman. It takes time and will continue to require patience. But, I have excitement/hope for the future. Something I didnít have last October.
Good post, glad youíre coming around.  
Britt in VA : 8/17/2019 8:47 am : link
DG has turned over the entire roster in two off seasons. Takes time.
Agree with Britt.  
Big Blue '56 : 8/17/2019 8:52 am : link
That said, this is the social media age where patience is a (very) lost virtue
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arcarsenal : 8/17/2019 8:54 am : link
Solid post - and yep, I think we are going in a better direction.

I said this in another thread, but in a lot of recent preseasons, the offense had looked downright horrendous. And a lot of us clung onto the hope that... well, it's preseason and maybe we're just holding stuff back and aren't going full bore, etc, etc...

But almost every time, that terrible performance carried right over into the regular season and it turned out that what we'd seen in preseason was, indeed, a bit of a harbinger...

Fast forward to this year. The starting OL is actually providing time for Eli and Daniel to survey the field and throw the ball. They're opening up running lanes.. and we haven't even seen Saquon run behind them in live action yet.

I think we need another offseason to stock the cupboard - pass rush will probably be an issue this year. We're thin @ WR. Could use a little more depth along the OL. But, for the most part... yes. I think we're at least on the right track again and I think this team will play hard and be easy to watch and root for this year.

A stark departure from recent teams.. the 2017 team specifically being one of the toughest watches I can ever remember as a Giants fan. 2003 was the only season that really felt as hopeless and miserable as that one in my lifetime as a fan.

There was almost nothing to like about the 2017 team.

Last year was another struggle, but we did some good things. I expect more progress this year and a team that is going to play really hard and will win some football games. Playoffs? I don't expect that... but I do think 9 wins would be a possibility with some decent injury luck and a few breaks...
Glad to see people are now getting it  
5BowlsSoon : 8/17/2019 9:03 am : link
The tough gut wrenching losses to Indy and Dallas were bittersweet for me.
I hated that we lost when we played well enough to win, but I was elated that we lost because I felt we definitely needed another solid draft to make us much better in 2019/2020.

So, drafting 6 was much better than 12. That was my thinking then....not sure now that our team is that much better drafting 6 vs 12 because Iím not sure who would not have been available that we picked up at 6.
FMiC said it last night  
section125 : 8/17/2019 9:08 am : link
and I'm paraphrasing - when was the last time our backups looked competitive in a preseason game? Our backups are not getting outplayed, out hustled or look lost.

They have an OLine that looks like a legit NFL quality line.
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christian : 8/17/2019 9:18 am : link
I think Shurmur and Gettleman understood in this era of football there is a greater margin of error for QBs and you don't need to be a blue chip guy to have immediate success in the NFL.

The patience for Jones was rewarded, but the stars did align for them. If the Giants were unlucky enough to win another game, they might have lost out on Jones.

This truly is an exercise in patience. Gettleman chose to tear down the team, and he's done a good job of getting value for Reese's players. From the looks of it, the Giants are one good offseason away from starting a championship window.

Giants were blessed to pick at 6  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2019 9:43 am : link
Seriously blessed. Those losses to Indy and Dallas where defeat was snagged from the jaws of victory were the reasons why the Giants have Daniel Jones today.
'light at the end of the tunnel' is a very good way to describe where  
Ira : 8/17/2019 9:54 am : link
the Giants are at right now. There is more to do, but they've come a long way already.
Agree with the OP. However, fans are entitled to be a tad impatient.  
RDJR : 8/17/2019 9:55 am : link
This has been a difficult string of years as Giantsí fans. Even with one playoff appearance in 2016, the team has not been relevant in the NFL since 2011. This regime has been in place a little more than one year so patience is certainly in order. However, ownership has left us with a 38 year old starting QB and an unproven head coach with a losing record. That doesnít necessarily inspire confidence, but patience is in order and after two preseason games it is impossible to determine anything.
RE: Giants were blessed to pick at 6  
Big Blue '56 : 8/17/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14533661 Optimus-NY said:
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Seriously blessed. Those losses to Indy and Dallas where defeat was snagged from the jaws of victory were the reasons why the Giants have Daniel Jones today.


Oh no! He would have been available at 12 or even 17..:)
It may only be preseason  
Reb8thVA : 8/17/2019 9:58 am : link
But two wins and the manner in which they were won will help rebuild a positive culture in the locker room and the fan base after seven years of futility. If the opposite happened we lost two games and were blown out it would have only reinforced hat sense of futility.
Gettleman has had the best draft classes  
WillieYoung : 8/17/2019 10:06 am : link
since George Young in the early 80s. (I know it's early to make that assessment but these guys can play.) It more than makes up for some suspect moves in free agency.
True it is only pre season but a team has to learn how to win.  
SterlingArcher : 8/17/2019 10:43 am : link
Winning is contagious, so is losing, if they can continue to play well I believe this team can get to at least 8 - 8 or better.
Just had the opportunity to catch the game and  
glowrider : 8/17/2019 11:01 am : link
All other actual game points aside, my favorite takeaway, as usual, was from Saquon. On the positive plays and the negative plays, he was always the first or one of the first to catch up with his teammate. Saw him out there giving encouragement, running around the sidelines, very involved. He was in almost every camera shot it seemed.

Shep was bouncing around, too. Really liked seeing that. It seemed that there was energy, enthusiasm and positivity on our sideline, in all three phases.

It seems like these guys are playing for each other and supporting each other. A lot of local talent is great to root for, too.

I have not ďlikedĒ a team this much in years. Even as a fan, you can see the paradigm shifting before our eyes. Iím very excited, but the injuries are always brutal.

(Kudos to the OLine - great stuff from them...)
they are building a real team  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/17/2019 11:02 am : link
it will take some more time, but this will be a competitive team in the next two seasons
This Doesn't Look Like a Losing Team  
OntheRoad : 8/17/2019 11:12 am : link
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the front office has done some good  
Enzo : 8/17/2019 11:16 am : link
things in terms of building up the roster, especially the bottom half. But having Eli start a bunch of games this season - if that's what happens - simply is not ideal. Jones needs to play sooner rather than later.
You aren't seeing shit  
HomerJones45 : 8/17/2019 11:17 am : link
preseason doesn't matter at all. You saw how much stock Nagy put into this game and the Bears have legit playoff aspirations.

Until the season starts and opposing teams have 3 or 4 games of film to analyze the strengths and weaknesses, you won't know whether there is any progress or not. I can see this team winning 2 or 3 games out of the first 4 or 5 and then the bottom falls out when the opposition has enough data on all the new players and the weaknesses at wideout and TE are exposed. I can also see the defense being a horror show; Bettcher has his work cut out for him and there is still an overall lack of team speed.

BBi is getting waaay ahead of itself.
RE: ...  
bceagle05 : 8/17/2019 11:32 am : link
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I think Shurmur and Gettleman understood in this era of football there is a greater margin of error for QBs and you don't need to be a blue chip guy to have immediate success in the NFL.

True, and this is why I was so conflicted about the pick. Once we passed on last year's QBs, I figured we'd continue to build up the team and plug the young QB in last, so we can maximize that rookie contract. Still feels a little awkward having Eli here, but hopefully the transition happens fast. Some game experience for Jones this year, another batch of relatively high draft picks, and $100 million in cap space should have us in position to turn the corner next season.
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christian : 8/17/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14533839 bceagle05 said:
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I think Shurmur and Gettleman understood in this era of football there is a greater margin of error for QBs and you don't need to be a blue chip guy to have immediate success in the NFL.


True, and this is why I was so conflicted about the pick. Once we passed on last year's QBs, I figured we'd continue to build up the team and plug the young QB in last, so we can maximize that rookie contract. Still feels a little awkward having Eli here, but hopefully the transition happens fast. Some game experience for Jones this year, another batch of relatively high draft picks, and $100 million in cap space should have us in position to turn the corner next season.


Spot on, this team has all the makings of a near term contender. They are cost-controlled, have a smart capable young QB, a bunch of young talented top 100 draft picks, and a bunch of cap room.

Another good offseason and they have a real shot at turning it around.

I cringe at how the Manning situation will play out, hopefully it's quick.
Imagine if Barkley, Daniel Jones, Baker, and Lawrence  
Blue21 : 8/17/2019 11:46 am : link
end up being being what we think they may be. Will the Giants have ever had two years of first round picks better than this?
Rangers fans, how many of you would sign up for the Giants'  
BestFeature : 8/17/2019 12:12 pm : link
equivalent of the season? Competitive almost every game, sometimes even entertaining, young guys coming along, but finish with a subpar record? I would sign up for that, obviously hoping for a good record but that would be a step in the right direction. I thoroughly enjoyed the Rangers' season last year.
RE: Giants were blessed to pick at 6  
BestFeature : 8/17/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14533661 Optimus-NY said:
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Seriously blessed. Those losses to Indy and Dallas where defeat was snagged from the jaws of victory were the reasons why the Giants have Daniel Jones today.


The Dallas lost was a gift from God, IIRC they were about to win until video review showed that Beasley (?) was inbounds. Not sure if that would have played a role in them getting Jones or not though.
RE: You aren't seeing shit  
ColHowPepper : 8/17/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14533811 HomerJones45 said:
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preseason doesn't matter at all. You saw how much stock Nagy put into this game and the Bears have legit playoff aspirations.Bettcher has his work cut out for him and there is still an overall lack of team speed.
True re. Ex season. But you are flat out wrong re. team speed, vastly improved since 2018 (and for years prior), esp. with the DBs.
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ColHowPepper : 8/17/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14533839 bceagle05 said:
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Quote: True, and this is why I was so conflicted about the pick. Once we passed on last year's QBs, I figured we'd continue to build up the team and plug the young QB in last, so we can maximize that rookie contract. Still feels a little awkward having Eli here, but hopefully the transition happens fast. Some game experience for Jones this year, another batch of relatively high draft picks, and $100 million in cap space should have us in position to turn the corner next season.
Sounds like a plan............except for ownership
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