The obvious thing was the TD throw. As soon as he threw it, I knew it was right on the mark, but man, that was a perfect pass.
But what REALLY impressed me was how he kept his composure after the two fumbles. I can't tell you how many young (and some old) quarterbacks I've seen through the years let adversity like that affect them for the rest of the game.
That's what Gettleman was talking about when he judged the QBs in this draft. Daniel Jones just shook it off.
I know there is some undervalued talent among our WR group sans OBJ, etc.......but while they have caught most of what DJ is throwing.....those throws are pretty perfect too.
I like how he commands the offense. He was playing behind second and third stringers when he was stripped both times, but yes.....he needs that pocket awareness thingy especially when things get real.
However, I am not so sure our WR corps should be undervalued anymore. There is a nice blend of speed and hands out there for EM, DJ, AT & KL to throw to.
Thanks... I was stuck with the Bears announcers.
Not a knock on Eli, because you don't win two SBs throwing bad passes, but it is just different.
Hitting guys in stride is such a huge play for a QB. You see it all the time with guys like Drew Breese. Let's hope he keeps this when it is time for him to play for real.
Did anyone notice his progressions yesterday? A pass on his first drive was a 3 yard check down but after he looked thru at least 2-3 other receivers. That was big time.
Not a knock on Eli, because you don't win two SBs throwing bad passes, but it is just different.
I think we have to start calling it like we see it. In a limited sample size, he's a more accurate quarterback than Eli. And he throws a beautiful deep ball. That doesn't mean he will be a better QB, but his ball placement has been better.
On the flip side, there was that outside pass that a Bears corner knocked away. That's where the "arm strength" issue first appeared to me. Eli could have fired the ball in there more.
What I loved about what I watched of his college tape is that he's tough, battles through everything that's thrown at him, and he delivers strike after strike
2. Ability to not let bad play affect future play
3. Surprisingly good tackling technique after his fumble, he chased down the defender and made a solid tackle for a QB
4.Needs to work on his pocket presence.
5. I have not seen him run yet, not that I want him running around out there but I am curious how fast he looks compared to NFL players, also would like to see a couple designed rollouts.
6. Throws a very catchable ball, it has enough zip, but the accuracy of his loft is incredible. I think this was what people ding him on at draft and confused it with lack of strength. Now I believe it is purely by design, he purposely put and accurate amount of touch on the balls he throws and if he keeps that up we have something special.
But the intermediate stuff is a thing of beauty coming out of his hand. I'm not calling him Brady, but his throws look like Brady. He's got a superb delivery and ball.
I think we have to start calling it like we see it. In a limited sample size, he's a more accurate quarterback than Eli. And he throws a beautiful deep ball. That doesn't mean he will be a better QB, but his ball placement has been better.
On the flip side, there was that outside pass that a Bears corner knocked away. That's where the "arm strength" issue first appeared to me. Eli could have fired the ball in there more.
I only saw the highlights and the 4th quarter.
I think in defenderdawg's articles Turchyn points out Jones' trouble with the long side of the field when it is to his left (crow hops). May be he is trying to throw his touch pass out there. Maybe something he will need to learn is that he needs to rifle it. Maybe that is what Sy'56 is talking about - "his lack of arm strength" not that he is weak - just does not have Mahomes rifle.
I love what I see on the sidelines. It seems these kids and vets alike genuinely root for each other, even guys at the same position battling for roster spots.
This is such an easy team to root for. Very likeable guys. Seems to be great chemistry amongst them.
I cannot remember the last time I enjoyed being at preseason games so much. Maybe LT's rookie season.
Manning did, he had a powerful deep ball, where a lot of guys can't get it.
I laughed when Banks called his fumbles “rookie” mistakes, it s not like the same thing doesn’t happen every week to veteran quarterbacks
The 40 yard throw to Cody Latimer instantly reminded me of Peyton Manning.
I know it's just the preseason but the things I wanted to see from Jones is solid arm strength, quick decision making, and accuracy. He has shown all three and has actually been better than I expected.
Hitting guys in stride is such a huge play for a QB. You see it all the time with guys like Drew Breese. Let's hope he keeps this when it is time for him to play for real.
Accuracy is the sweeping term for it, but it's like more of an intrinsic sense of geometry of where the ball should go factoring in the receivers route and defensive players. Eli didn't have this sense for many routes.
It's analogous to LT and his intrinsic geometric understanding of where the RB is trying to do and your position relative to blockers and how to set an edge while stuffing an inside run.
And BTW, so was Eli's. It helps that they finally have some time to drop back (more than 3 steps) and throw. Kudos to the OL -- even the reserves kept his pocket clean.
But Jones doesn't look like a deer in the headlights or that the game will ever be too big for him. He doesn't have backup-qb face.
2. Ability to not let bad play affect future play
3. Surprisingly good tackling technique after his fumble, he chased down the defender and made a solid tackle for a QB
4.Needs to work on his pocket presence.
5. I have not seen him run yet, not that I want him running around out there but I am curious how fast he looks compared to NFL players, also would like to see a couple designed rollouts.
6. Throws a very catchable ball, it has enough zip, but the accuracy of his loft is incredible. I think this was what people ding him on at draft and confused it with lack of strength. Now I believe it is purely by design, he purposely put and accurate amount of touch on the balls he throws and if he keeps that up we have something special.
His good tackling for is due to his inherent athleticism. Eli would most certainly made a clownish awkward attempt.
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so far, but to me, he throws a nicer ball than Eli. IDK what it is, touch maybe, but when he throws it, it seems very catchable and right where the WR/RB needs it. Remains to be seen if he can do it with a bloody nose.
Not a knock on Eli, because you don't win two SBs throwing bad passes, but it is just different.
I think we have to start calling it like we see it. In a limited sample size, he's a more accurate quarterback than Eli. And he throws a beautiful deep ball. That doesn't mean he will be a better QB, but his ball placement has been better.
On the flip side, there was that outside pass that a Bears corner knocked away. That's where the "arm strength" issue first appeared to me. Eli could have fired the ball in there more.
Jones's problems are likely to be more horizontal than vertical. Deep outs might give him problems against NFL DBs, at least until his arm strength improves.
He looks like an NFL quarterback. He has played 32 snaps in two games and in 30 of the 32 snaps he’s been damn near perfect. His 3 incompletions? They were all very close. I haven’t seen one ball sail on him or or a throw where he just misses badly. So far his accuracy and placement have just been phenomenal and to me that is just unusual/rare to see. I know it’s very early but this all corroborates the glowing reports from the minicamps/otas and training camps where reporters were routinely praising him.
He looks like an NFL quarterback. He has played 32 snaps in two games and in 30 of the 32 snaps he’s been damn near perfect. His 3 incompletions? They were all very close. I haven’t seen one ball sail on him or or a throw where he just misses badly. So far his accuracy and placement have just been phenomenal and to me that is just unusual/rare to see. I know it’s very early but this all corroborates the glowing reports from the minicamps/otas and training camps where reporters were routinely praising him.
And Simonson dropped one of those three incompletions.
What’s funny about the WCO is that he built it b/c he had a weak armed QB at the time.
Having said that, Jones’ touch on the ball is what impressed me the most last night.
That's true. However, the thing no one seems to be discussing is that he hasn't had close to enough time for the pro game to slow down for him. This is probably part of the reason for the fumbles, but is also a factor making it difficult to see his upside. In Eli's first year, he wasn't close to this good, all season. He played in 9 games, started 7, had yards per attempt of 5.3, and had a qb rating of 55.4. For those who recall, he was throwing balls that soared over receivers heads or nosedived. THEN, the game slowed down and he had a decent second season.
Flat-out general rule: no qb can be measured very well before experience enables the game to start to slow down.
I think he's going to be terrific, but at this point it has to be just a guess.
You can say what you will about the starting oline but his time vs Jets the Jets has 3/4 of their starting lb core on the field including both edge rushers as well as Q Williams..who the Jets list as a “backup”
The above comment sums up my impression of Jones too. He looks to be an NFL starting caliber QB. But will he be a winner in that role? Will he handle real pass rush pressure, crowd pressure, expectations?
Eli often had issues with accuracy. But somehow and some way, when the Giants needed it most, Eli made his best plays and has two top 10 all time SB completions. Both of them during 4th quarter come from behind drives.
We simply don't know that about Jones yet, although it looks as if he could.
Cut from the same cloth as Eli?